The Truth About 2-Liner Paragliders 

Thank You so Much for allá the content. You are awesome!!!

Great video! What makes you feel so good about the 2-liner is the fact that they are more stable, because the towpoint moves to the front of the A attachments when pushing speedbar. On 3 lines that doesn't happen aparently.

Really great analysis and most informative. Not thinking about getting a 2 liner but really great to find out what's it all about :-)

Thank you Ari. Really really good explanation.

Thanks for sharing Ari...makes a lot of sense going into 2 liners.

You are so passionate! It s great to see a person who lives his path☀️🙏😊❤️

Best watched at 1.75 speed. Thanks for making your videos. Great info.

Great video I discovered a bit late, but worth listening for me! Thanks Ari

Thank you very much for the explanations. I am actually considering moving to a 2-liner in 1-2 years so all this info is highly relevant! Many thanks again!

Great video Ari!

Your explanation of the difference between 2 liners and other gliders is spot on, clear and informative video

Super great explanation!

On my first Zeno free flight, those words you said rang so true. Ironically, they were my first utterings about the glider, "I can feel the air like I never have before!" Great video as usual Ari!

As a motor pilot only I learned alot thanks dude!!!!

Thanks for your insight!

I’m not even close to thinking about getting anything beyond my first wing but it is definitely interesting to understand what the advantages and disadvantages are and how they are designed

Nice explanation!

well said! 👍👍👍 thank you!

Hello big thanks to you for the vid and yes as you said at the end of the video, the 2 liners EN-C is here! I just ordered the new Ozone Photon. I jump from Delta 4 with who I had really really good feeling to this 2-liners but Im sure I will love this new experience.

As long as most of you've said is true, I think for a 16min video dedicated solely to 2-liners there is just too many misconceptions. There are multiple good points about current 2-liners (B-risers feeling), but most of it simply applies to any hight AR wing. And in fact there are END 3-liners, with higher A.R. than 2-liners. Other properties, can be often accounted to a stiff profile, and not exactly having 2 risers. A 2-liner, by definition, doesn't even need to have less lines than a 3-liner. Especially, wiht many 2-liners having higher galleries spread in 2. A 2-liner can be passively safer, than a 3-liner, there are just too many variables, independent of risers count. Also you seem to have in mind moslty CCC 2-liners, meanwhile currently the Alps are taken over by lightweight EN D 2-liners like Zeolite or OXA3 and those are very different wings than Enzo or Zeno. One thing that I'd add in terms of 2-liners safety is ability to fly against stronger valley winds. But what is also important is that those wings are generally harder to manage in spirals and often don't accept big ears nicely. They are also trickier stalling and stall can be induced easier. Last, but not least, ENC 2-liners are not a matter of technology, but mostly of certification regulations (thye need collapse lines).

Good stuff Ari.................thanks!

Thanks for your vids as always! Interesting way you show and I am interested in seeing new technology. Anyhow, I stick with my Blacklight 2 so far, still love this glider ;) could test it furhter in Annecy some weeks ago 😅... Hope you can still work out on really helping vids. Thanks!

You are in love!💪

Can't wait for enC's 2 liners. They're almost ready. New Year's coming :D

Nice video. Lots of thoughts I've had myself. Happy on my enC bgd Cure 60hrs so far. 240 hrs total. Been thinking about a newer bgd Cure2 but so happy with my current glider, wanting more hrs before a performance increase and ive been thinking "tech is moving fast, cure2 can do 60kmh and now there are 3/2 liner hybrids, soon enough 2 liner enC will be a thing." So good yo hear the same thoughts (more informed too) from you. I'm holding out for that step up in tech. In the meantime I'm enjoying my Cure. Keep up the great work

I got my first real (> 30%) collapse on the Zeno after 550 hours of flying it ... it was an absolute non issue. In SIV however, a two liner is much more work and you have to be much more precise! The best thing with 2-liners for me is that they give you time to react before they collapse. It doesn't just go (99% of the time), it normally starts shooting first and while it shoots, you get time to react.

excellent explanation - thanks from a en-b pilot 👍🏻

Thanks Ari. I'd be very interested to hear your opinion on the new era of 2 liners coming into C category. The Volt 4 for example claims to be a fun to fly and a solid C.

In the high B-Cathegorie you have a B/C steering system, there you have the same effects as on the 2-Liners

I'm not experienced much, but i fly a Gin Bonanza 3 - 2-liner and only for soaring along the Dutch dunes, I love it. But then maybe this is an easy two-liner..

Nice video, very explicative and complete. What do you think of the two liner Swing Sphere RS?

Great insights, thanks! I've got a little over 200h on my Queen2 and what you said about 3-liners on speed is so true! I usually fly 1/4-1/2 on speed where it's all fine but darn when I go full speed through a turbulent air (like on a final glide) face slaps come from nowhere :D I could probably be more responsive on C-lines but it's good to hear that it is hard. I can't wait to give some 2-liner a try :) Have you ever tried these hybrids 2.5-liners like Flow Fusion?

I love you man your explanations are so unique. Here's a question about aspect ratio. We have the lowest aspect ratio which is approximately 1/1. I would call that a round parachute. I see one guy had a devil boy 13to1 aspect ratio. Is there anybody who jumps ahead of somebody else, on performance with a higher aspect ratio?

Hello! You should talk about new 2 liner C class! It would be so useful! Thanks !🎉

" haven't taken an accelerated collapse yet..." When it happens there is, will be no longer any justification to claim 2 liners are safer than a lower rated paraglider. That big event has happened to me 3 times, once on 2008 Airwave FR 3 3 line race wing resulted in reserve ride, once on Enzo 2 XS, once on R10 3 S recovered, all 3 events were violent immediate onset, main unloaded, happened at trim in a climb on the FR, Enzo 2 XS, in level flight on the R10 3 S.

I have heard and felt the same thing. I love my Zeno and would not go back, for XC.

Amazing that no one have mentioned the M7, what are your thoughts about it? It really flies different from a a normal ENC, but feels way safer IMHO, I don't know if Zeno will be my next glider, I feel like can buy one M7 again after 200-300 hr on mine, and Maybe repeat that several times. and then we will see what technology bring us in a couple of years. I have 10 yrs flying, amazing advance in tech. Great content by the way!

The difference between Zeno and Enzo is , that the Enzo shows more the air movement. This ist really great in lowsave situations and its more fun. A pleasure to feel how the glider pitch into thermals and the glide angel, with the B riser steering with accelerator.

Good presentation, top sharing,thanks..get to the chopper ,an Hey Lee cop-peter,,,helicop-peter.

Can't wait for my new 2-liner EN-C... whenever it comes. It's gonna be like instant buy.

There are already 2liners which could easily be Cs. But the EN doesn't allow it because of folding lines.

If glide at trim is almost the same on a C, then surely landing should not be more difficult in a small space.

Hi, actually 2 liners gliders are not necessarily more snaky than 3 liners. Most of them have a more solid feeling in the air than 3 liners. The problem of flying them is that due to the extra loading that they have per square inch in the sail (compared to 3 liners), when you get a collapse, it is more powerfull and dynamic, also the recovery, if you add up the rigid foil reinforcement the situation can get complicated. Another thing is that when you pilot with the Bs, you need to apply some pressure in order to feel the air and it is harder to pull than the brakes, so not necessarilly is more fluid, I would say it is more direct to the canopy when you are on bar. One of the reasons that 2 liners go better when flying into the wind and in turbulence, is that they fly with more wing load and more rigid foil, so the glider it is more solid so it doesnt loose the shape as easy as a less loaded glider, also 2 liners have less lines, so you have less drag and resistance against wind.

Your prediction was right 😂

That's the 5th video relatable on my level of flying. Great job. "Shut up and take my $5"

Ari in love 😄

Please talk about photon!

Hi Ari, with the 200hours every class (which sounds very conservative for a European ;-) ), do you think one is ready for a Two-Liner C after 200 hours on EN-B, or would you rather fly a "normal" C first and then change to a two-liner? Thanks for your insights :)

I fly 7 years, my first wings are en B low (HOOK 4) and i zion 17, try to fly in en C , in some wings( sky, delta 2 and other) now i buy a mantra m6 to fly at the beach to begin First impression is very good, in soaring is very safe the a gentel ferrari, amazing wing

I've just got my paragliding licence and cant wait to get one of these gliders.Zeno looks like a cool wing to fly.

Hello! Im planning to buy B+ in the middle of range weight. I'm comming from B- (hook 2) top range weight. 100h every year aprox. Would you recommend? My objectives are starting in XC. Thanks a lot

Good

Still waiting to see your thoughts on the proto sent to you ;)

The new lounches advance sigma 12 and niviuk Artik R both C standard and 2 liner. whats your idea with C standard on 2 liner?

Hello, where is the video about 2liner enC :))

Houdini on high B's as well Ari =)

why not talk about fast descending compared with C-gliders (Big ears, spiral)? Disadvantage?

I've had a number of people that say the same thing about 2 liners

what are your predictions: will 2-liners ever arrive in the b-category?

Do you think they'll ever be a b-rated to liner?

It's always funny to read why people think one or another glider is so safe like "i only had one collapse last 500h"...so therefore it's must be very safe. It's says really NOTHING about the safety. It might be just a result of very good piloting, very well chosen flying sites (and routes), well chosen flying days or a combination, maybe with a bit of luck also. Not to mention that few pilots flying such wings are really using the full performance in strong conditions

Modern 3liner with BC control don't break the airfoil when pulling the Cs. It's working great and very smooth on the latest C gliders. On the other hand most 2liners have 4 attachments on the canopy. So they are more like 2riser gliders. This will also affect the profile when accelerated

So what is your opinion about Sol paragliders LT1 ?

I have an advance pi one. It is an ENB two liner. It also has an extended weight range for an ENC certification. Basically 85 to 99 kilos is ENB while 100 to 115 kilos is ENC. It's a fairly old wing with lightweight fabric and unsheathed lines. Are you telling me that nobody has made two liners like this unless they are end or uncertified since the pi. I know the pi two and three are both three liners. Am I missing something? By the way I fly it at about 95 kilos and it is one of the fastest most responsive gliders I have ever flown it almost feels like a mini wing. I love that it has trimmers because not only is it already fast which means I can launch in slightly higher winds with trims in than most people can on their normal wing but I can also set it to trims out which is actually equal to about half speed bar with trims in which gives me even more launch speed capability. This means when other pilots are getting plucked off the ground I can be standing there kiting with no issue with my trimmers out. And when I'm ready to fly I just yank those trimmers in and it Yanks me right off the ground. I absolutely love this wing and haven't found a modern analog of it. It does not have an excessive aspect ratio though it is slightly higher than most ENB.

My advance pi1 is 2 liner. Old af. Lightweight fabric... And EN B. What are you talking about only on EN D and soon C? It's not even new tech

dear santa, please, B rated single skin 2 liner....

Here it is: Airdesign Volt 4, 2 line EN C .......

It's not the 2 line rows that make hot wings tricky, rather their high aspect ratio. So much easier to control a 2 liner (I fly an Enzo3)

EN B 2 liner?!?!?!?!

Buy Niviuk Klimber 2. Easy

I have zero hours in any paraglider. If I happen to buy a 2-liner glider. I'll fly it (with zero hours). I taught myself to fly hang gliders and did just fine (way harder to control than a paraglider).

The pregnant pauses in your delivery are way to much.

How about flying enD two liner on the coast on nice days, with sandy beach landings available... It's all fun no negatives ey (with 400hours experience)