So he's claiming that the weight of your fingers clenched into a fist at speed increases the force of a punch? If you watch at x0.25 speed, you can see that from the 1 inch distance, he closes his fist and pulls back his arm about a foot before the strike anyway, so he's telling us one thing and showing us another. It's a trick, by pushing forward the left shoulder and pulling back the right hand, combined with speed, you create the illusion of a punch from 1 inch, when in reality, you have about a foot to gain speed for your punch.
+Kermitrocker yes it does. This is the correct way to maximise power over a short distance. There is no magic chi ball, just simple body mechanics to increase power. The concept of short distance power is not to physically pull the hand back, if you draw the hip back it creates a void in which to accelerate over. I would say well done to you for spotting, but I sense some negativity in your comment.
Fight SCIENCE I honestly would have preferred there to be some disclosure about the technique, maybe noting that the "1 inch punch" is usually completed over more than 1 inch in distance, instead attributing it's power to the force generated from a fist clench.
+Kermitrocker fair point on discussing this in more detail. However, it's more complicated than that, the fist closure has to be instant in order to benefit from the acceleration achieved from making the space. That's where the solidity of the fist accumulates weight. There's also the added factor of contraction to that fist on impact. These are quite detailed explanations for a very short video only intended to make a point about the difference in power generation between gloves and bare hand. There are many factors in play including the shapeless of your knuckles and the subsequent transference of power to a sharp point instead of a blunt object. Highlighted again by contraction and acceleration over the created space. Watch this video on hand conditioning you will see me discussing the importance of fist closure and note the speed of closure ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-iDnY8zdnb6g.html. Perhaps we'll do a specific video on this in time. Thank you for watching.
Adam, shocked is a very strong word my friend. The punch is in line with the theory of punching from where your hand lies in Wing Chun. What you see is the hip withdrawing the hand, which is completely different to the hand being pulled back. In the former the power is not generated from the hand movement, in addition the punch is faster due to the fact that you do not actually pull the hand back. Instead you create a void to generate power. It's a very simple technique of power generation. Hence the slow motion to illustrate. Thank you for watching. Have a great day.
Yes I have noticed that myself, the Dempsey Theory... A vertical or diagonal along the power line fix the Contours of the face and thus large production of hand brakes in the pugilistic days... distribution of power,
Fight SCIENCE...Professional Bareknuckle boxing has been revived recently in the U.S. of America for any Wing Chun practitioners whom may be interested in pressure testing their art 'legally' in a full contact, one vs. one duel, with a referee present. It would seem that Wing Chun while not being capable of competing in a gloved boxing match, by nature of the mechanics, would not be handicapped in the American professional bareknuckle boxing circuit. If Wing Chun boxers start competing successfully in the professional bareknuckle circuit this would go far in gaining Wing Chun respect in the boxing / unarmed martial art world. So for Wing Chun sifu this could be the opportunity they've longed for to promote their art while making money in the process of competing bareknuckle. If the Gracie family hadn't tested their art in bareknuckle bouts Gracie JiuJitsu wouldn't have earned the global respect it did.
+An Drew Now that's a great idea. When I was a younger (35 years ago), I knew a couple of Wing Chun guys that used to do bare knuckled boxing. It was very common here. Sadly the current generation are not as hardy, shall we say their training method differs. Let's hope someone rises to the challenge. As you said it is a legal sport. Thanks for watching.
Thank you +Sifu Mark Phillips. All of the factors you highlighted can generate a very powerful punch. It is true when we have gloves on it limits the effectiveness of what we can utilise in sparring. Both nevertheless have their place in increasing the effectiveness of Wing Chun. It was nice to see some of the clips from the summer camp many many years ago.
the fingers pull back and the knuckle goes forward. that's how you create that snap in the punch. all of the force goes into the person you're punching and it doesn't go back into your fist. this type of punching drops your opponent, it doesn't push them back. However, it takes a lot more practice than a "pushing" punch but it's a lot more effective.
This two year old video so prob won't get an answer but I've had boxer fractures on both hands. They about half a year healed but ofcoarse I hit an unmovable object. But made me second guess punching. Think I'm more likely in hitting with open hand like in Po Pai, or in the pak sau form on the dummy on strikes. I feel like I would just break my hand in a real fight. So more hesitant to throw punches.
This is an awesome channel. Im doing Historical Medieval Battle and Im thinking about incorparating wing chun training into my regimen. What would you say is the three most important tools in developing that kind of close range power? 1. Wall bag? 2. ... 3. ...
+Blackshield good question. Definitely Wall bag. Try working contracting your body behind the punch when shadow sparring and lastly heavy bag training see this video ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-klva17eeqtY.html on 3 Simple Tricks to Increase Power. Good luck with your training.
For THAT style of combat u should practice: 1. Hand grip strenth. 2. The 3 shouts method. 3. And as He said...contraction practice. Fyi u can do ALL3 about anywhere! 1. Grip diff things at various pressures and time lengths. Be cautious of cramping and build up with calm heart. 2. They dont have to be loud though if outside at practice u can be loud ☺😉 So its basically 3 "ha ha HA" but at various timings and rythems. Think of a karate shout but divided into 3parts. But done fast it sounds like 1breath haha. Truly if u listen to a good kiai (karate shout) there are 3 phases. 1to build up hate energy 1 to prep to body and 1 for attack energy. The last also acts as a scare tactic but for good fighters u can mix it up and mess with timing haha! 3...contraction can be done 1000 times per day. From a quick jab to simply reaching for a fridge door handle!🤓😲😨 Also try using mental visions as a "pattern setter" so to speak. See it in ur head kiai and jolt ur body in an ALMOST strike... Also just tensing up the WHOLE body at once is helpful to prep for attack AND defence. Think of the power of a sneeze? Now add armour and a mace haha then u add a goor shout while smashing and those evil knight wont stand a chance againt ya 🤔😈🕵💪
What do you think about the same technique except using the palm heel ( horizontal position) rather than the fist? I ask this because I am karate based and strike with the first two knuckles not the last three so I don't get the upwards wrist snap, but I can get a snap using the palm heel. Thank you!
Wearing a glove obviously reduces force, but boxers can and do contract their open hands into a fist at the moment of impact with a boxing glove. The idea that boxers always have their hands tightened into a fist inside of a boxing glove is a misconception, because it wastes energy and makes catching difficult. So I am calling BS on the "gloves are the problem" excuse because gloves universally reduce kinetic energy. Also, why do Wing Chun practitioners constanty try to justify obviously sub par punching techniques when you can just elbow someone in the face without the BS?
Sifu I have a question: I have a wall bag which use for conditioning and practising punching every week, but I can't seem to generate enough power. You mentioned sinking as you punch and contraction and the movement of hip. Are all these factors combined required to generate power?
Kashif Amin Essentially yes. If you can combine these differing elements with speed you should be able to generate sufficient power in your wing chun technique. Our basic video on wall bag training should help you (see ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-iDnY8zdnb6g.html) to focus on the differing factors such as quick closure of the fist, dead weight in the hands, and speed/contraction in the Wing Chun chain punch. We discuss this in the video. Have you considered turning training?
TheAgentKit We don't teach ground fighting as part of the Wing Chun system, but we do have a Brazilian Jiu Jitsu team that train diligently in ground fighting and grappling. It does compliment Wing Chun.
+Kema Katsin I'm not sure how they came to that conclusion. The forms (with the exception of the 1st form) all incorporate rotational energy, especially the 2nd form. In fact, every Wing Chun lineage I've come across so far uses rotation when punching. It's referred to as a turning punch, often used with simultaneous attack and defence concepts. What style of Wing Chun do your friends practice?
when chain punching, or using a standard punch, my school does its best to eliminate what sifu calls 'swimming', which is what he calls it when your shoulders follow your punch. The reason he gives is the kuen kuits "the punch comes from the heart" and "face forward and chase the opponent. That said, wing chun has facing movements for a reason. When you are square with your opponent, you have ambidextrous offense and defense. However, you don't always have to be square with your opponents shoulders. While a wing chun punch is released in a line with your center, your center is a column, not a rectangle. If your punch is still in line with both centerlines, you have maximum force. But you must remember to find and mind your center. Your force drives from your hips forward, so you are strongest in root power when you face the point that your toes and knees are facing. This can be used to your advantage, as well, when combating non-linear styles; a massively powerful kick or haymaker is a hard blow to intercept from the outside, since you are without the power of your forward root. If you turn to face the direction of the incoming force, you are able to meet it with full conviction. At that point, it would be a powerful time to turn back to your opponent and refocus your forward pressure on their centerline, using the momentum of the turn back to square to drive a much longer punch. That's basically your haymaker in wing chun: a hard turn to face your opponent, with the momentum of the long punch. Once you make contact, though, your structure is set, and the force that would normally be absorbed by the boxer's shoulder and back are directed through you and into the earth, where reciprocal force forces it back into your opponent. One of the reasons wing chun seems so powerful is that extra wave of energy. Once a regular person throws their punch, the force is absorbed by their musculature. With wing chun, the force is met in opposition of the earth, and the shockwave travels down your bones, and bounces back up through your body into the opponent again. Learning to recognise and harness that reciprocal force is key to unlocking the true potential of wing chun. When you strike someone or absorb energy, you should feel it in the arches of your feet. Elbow down pressure and proper alignment of the body is necessary, and it is sometimes the most difficult thing to teach, but it is what makes the true masters so exceptional. When they strike you, they are punching with the weight of the world behind them.
Fight SCIENCE Every lineage has its own way of doing things. If you ask one hundred wing chun players to tell you the secrets of their art, you could very well get a hundred different answers, and they'd all be telling the truth. Thank you for your video, I liked it very much. The only way to truly understand the whole of the art, you have to have exposure to all the different philosophies.
Fight SCIENCE I'm not really sure what lineage they are. What they were showing me was pretty static but maybe that's because I'm a beginner and not advance. I am looking to go to a formal school of wing chun so I can actually learn something useful. Thank you for your videos and your comments.
Id love to learn wing chun in an actual school instead of my room if there is anyone who has a wing chun school close or in Doncaster then please tell me im only 14 so i cant drive so if some one or fight SCIENCE can tell me where i could go id be grateful thanks.
Why train with gloves at all, if they won't teach you to prepare your fist for a bare fist punch? What would you say about wrapping your mook jong with one or two layers of thick cotton rope for impact training? What about a hanging jong pole with sand bags attached?
You weren't kidding when you called this channel fight science, I'm really appreciating the way that you are explaining all this plainly with sound scientific reasoning
+Hadrada 79 agreed. I think if you are going to fight bare knuckles then it can only resort to one common method or approach. That said there are some similarities to bare knuckle pugilist boxing and Wing Chun. For example the extended guard and hands in the centre. In fact many other bare knuckle fighting styles. Thank you for watching.
Good question. As a general rule the Wing Chun wallbag is better for short distance power because you can really focus on closure of the fist and contraction. Having said that you can use contraction power on a heavy bag. ain fact it is more 3 dimensional allowing you the ability to penetrate deeper into the heavy bag with your Wing Chun strikes. Overall, use both, but for different aspects of developing the power of your Wing Chun short distance punches. Thanks for watching.
I generally find the bag to be great for developing power while moving. The wallbag doesnt promote it as much but the 2 methods compliment eachother well.
I agree with Onder I like using a heavy bag for practicing moving and hitting with power and the wallbag to delevop the weight in the hands so basically hit from a stationary position (wall bag) and hitting more dynamically using footwork ,ranges (heavy bag)
+Michael Reynolds I'm not sure what a JKD corkscrew punch is, but the power generated in this video is from the rotation, contraction, and sinking of the body, so I guess it is a corkscrew movement. Hope that helps.
it does thanks im really enjoying your videos at the moment you share the same ethos as Sifu Grados in NY you both seem to agree to be very direct no nonsense and get the job done quickly I personally do not train to be defensive anymore my personal training is geared to be 100% aggressive using entry techniques to bridge and be in his space very quickly im having a dummy made at the moment out of metal covered with foam with every joint movable im very excited about it !! being able to use full power as well as training to be explosive is a prospect im looking forward to
+Michael Reynolds Thanks. I'm intrigued by your wooden dummy. It's sounds really good. I gather it will be covered in high density form. You must send me some video of it, I'd be interested in how it works.
Absolutely . . . its in the development stage at the moment its being made by an ex employee of Lucas Aerospace up here in Milton Keynes I saw him a couple of weeks ago with my ideas we spent some time discussing it and drawing plans he is currently designing it in the computer in a 3d modelling program im due to have another meeting shortly to just fine tune it and then he can get to work making it basically its based on a wooden dummy but the head - neck - leg and body will all have some degree of movement to simulate hitting someone, the body will also rotate slightly and the arms will be spring loaded with very stiff springs I have an upholsterer who is going to make some foam/leather parts to cover the head/neck arms and leg and also the body . . it is going to be built to withstand some serious abuse I really need to be able to open up on it and have all that give something a wooden dummy doesn't do I will deffo keep you up to date the guy has asked if there is a possible market for this kind of dummy and I have said I will be putting it out there on you tube and no doubt due to the unique structure of it it may well lead to other enquiries
Not doubting this mans skill, I'm genuinely impressed, but I too spotted the pullback. Still, I admire this guy. Maximum respect. Training hint though, first learn to perform the technique slowly.
That's good and all, but I highly doubt the one inch punch that you are throwing, and knocking the guy back with, is going to produce the results that everyone is hoping it will. In other words. don't throw that one inch punch in a real situation, and expect the guy to get knocked out or go flying through the air. You had better be ready for the real possibility that a barrage of punches is coming back your way.
+jdvincler you're absolutely right in that you have to throw punches in combinations in a fight. Rest assured the short distance punch does work, especially if you surprise the person. We did a follow up on this please see our video Surprise, Punch & Drop SOMEONE INSTANTLY ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-Xbhm8b-LwZw.html Thank you for watching.
Lord Funface The Atomic Toaster Unfortunately not we're based in London, but our parent organisation the UK Wing Chun Association has branches throughout the country including the Midlands.
+Fight SCIENCE I need help with a hypothetical, well a few really. I was wondering how much psi could a punch (and kick) generate with the following conditions, robot is average human height (male, Unknown materials fell free to pick one that can withstand these very harsh conditions), punch/kick travel at 50 mph in water, unknown in air, hand and foot size is average, the robot is estimated to run 30 mph. Also how would it hold up in doing these actions. Also how would a human fair with similar conditions if it where possible(I made some bet with my nerdy friends ) Thought it would be cool to know too...
That's why MMA fighters do not use gloves... wait. Seriously, the gloves are for protect your hands not for hitting more harder, unless you wear sap gloves...
+tableoynadamas this is such an old video I've forgotten the main message. However the premise is simple, if you don't fear crippling your hands (because they are protected) you are more likely to let your punches go (throw them with more intent). In other words punch harder and faster. I would never let my bare hands go if I wasn't sure of hitting a soft target, as I simply wouldn't want to cripple my hands on a his elbows or the top of his head. Thanks for watching. Have a great day.
