The Truth About Crit in Genshin 

Hey folks, something which seems like it wasn't clear enough in the video based on a few reactions; the damage calculator takes into account the consistency of critting, and the overall damage difference between the two builds is the average after factoring in the lower crit rate of one of the builds! Sorry for any confusion! ☺

My philosophy has been "try to get 3/4 of the substat categories you need, then the roll value doesnt matter, because every roll will go to something they need". Do that for every piece and then you dont have to reinvent the wheel 100x trying to get that perfect roll.

Part of the reason why the atk% is so useful here is because of Raiden's gearing. If she'd been using an atk% cup instead of a DMG one, the crit substat sands would win out by more. Likewise, if she had her signature weapon, that would give her a bunch more attack than the Homa she's using and consequently, reduce the impact of the atk% substat. Homa also adds a bunch of crit DMG, which means the impact of the crit DMG on the artifact is reduced, while the impact of the atk% is boosted. And, of course, many people run a Catch on Raiden, which provides DMG for her burst, and consequently, adds value to an atk% cup, rather than a DMG one, which would in turn lower the value of the atk% substat on the Sands. And then all of that is then all impacted by team considerations as well, as the video mentions But anyway, a single artifact can't be properly evaluated in a vacuum. In this case, the Raiden should be looking into if she should swap to a different cup to better go with the new sands. And so, yup, people definitely need to look at more than just CV. Including making sure you have enough ER% for burst dependent characters.

Someone said, "When you can one-hit kill any enemies, the game will become boring more quickly, I don't want to be Saitama, so I prefer to enjoy my game at a leisurely pace"

Dendro definitely alleviated a lot of the need for players to keep farming crit stats because hyperbloom, burgeon, and bloom teams just don't care about those stats, and they're some of the most available/accessible teams in the game (can run full 4 star teams for those archetypes)

to be honest, it all depends in the end; depends on the team you're using, the weapon, the set, the character, etc. like, an atk cup on raiden isn't as viable when you have her signature, as if you were like, with the catch because of that, crit would be a better option, and, as said in the video, bennett and his atk buff would also make the characters needs different. great video overall, it does increase the awareness of overvaluing crit. p.s: some time ago, my ayaka had 2k atk and 278cdmg, but i managed to change my build to a 2.5k atk and 230cdmg and her damage go up considerably, so yeah, not only we overvalue crit but we also overcap onto it sometimes

Legit when I got that artifact I was so excited ...and then it was literally zero difference! I mix teams up a fair bit - that team for the current floor 12 relies on Raiden without Benny, and her old 0CV artifact is legitimately stronger in that team. Makes it even harder to throw away artifacts though 😂

I wanted to point out one thing about improving your damage without touching artefacts (you did brush on it slightly). When you're doing hard time-gated content (abyss) and doing your rotations, quality is better than quantity. It's much better for you if you do one setup and rotation properly, than trying to squeeze in as many as possible incorrect ones. Learn your setups. If youre playing anemo unit with VV, learn how to swirl properly the element(s) you need, trust me on this, a big chunk of dmg comes from that (also, Zajef77 has a video how to swilr with kazuha in every team). If you're playing characters with snapshottable abilities (xiangling) learn when to cast them to get the buff you need. Just, understand your team. Yt has an overbudance of guides, abyss runs and such, and you'll see big improvement should you learn rotations/setups. Also build your ER folks!

This is invaluable info! It's so easy to get burnt out, or overwhelmed, with the artifact grind. I would hate to lose my love for the game, as you said, for a few percentages. Definitely makes CV easier to understand and where/when it IS critical. Can't wait to have loadouts too! Great video 💜

Genshin's artifact system is so terribly complicated, I wish there was an easy way for new players to learn all these considerations. I think it just takes time to learn all the nuances to stat distribution, and that often deters new players. I really want more of these videos to spread online so people can decide on the real value of an artifact. Anyways, great content without too much complexity! Keep up the good work :)

Highly underrated video. Roll value really is the way to go. Another benefit of not focusing too much on crit is that you can mix and match artifacts better as the stats are more spread out.

Sumeru is a gift to me. You know, people complained about predatory artifact crit rng and blah-blah-blah. They released Nilou & Nahida who fixed artifact problem *entirely* Nilou and Nahida are characters who are designed to not care about crits. Now the only rng you care about is enemies. Everything else is under your control. Those characters provide you insanely consistent gameplay, you will never play number casino gaming simulator with them. Entire run depends on how you press buttons...and enemies rng. That's it! This is what the true genshin experience should be.

EM is a super underated stat too, depending on the team. I only yelan's skill after setting up pyro on targets first to cause vaporise, and the insane damage buff + EM boost practically quadrupled her damage, far more useful than increasing her HP%

Players should definitely focus more on spending resin on talents/character levels/weapon levels which are just guaranteed upgrades, and will give you much more than artifacts can, at least on average. Sure, it’s not as fun to spend your resin on ley lines instead of chasing the high of the perfect artifact, but especially as you get to a point where your artifacts are good enough on a few important sets, you’ll get a MUCH better value focusing on things like talents and experience instead of getting that piece with 8 useful rolls instead of 5. I think artifacts should be the latest priority once you have a good artifact basis (which right now I would say comes in the form of investing on the emblem domain, deepwood domain and the rest you’ll get with strongboxes)

This is why I love Reaction teams. All you need to care about is the EM on this one character and the ER on everyone else.

Instant fave. I've been putting off artifact farming for a while now and focused on leveling a bunch of characters, because the couple of weeks I farmed Emblem were the least fun I had playing the game. I know I'll have to get back to the artifact grind eventually, I hope the ideas in this video will help make that feel more rewarding.

10:54 exactly what I always felt like too. For example my mom needs a lot of help with her account and I'm happy to help her but she's constantly worrying about putting all her daily Resin into new artifacts and I told her so many times "please get your important talents to 9 and your characters and weapons to 90 before you worry so much about tiny bit better artifacts" 😅

It´s crazy how much stuff there is for optimization without even being a PvP game

Great guide, I think you covered just about everything. The only thing I might add is that some people undervalue useful stats that are not crit in that they will roll an artifact that has both crit stats and for example flat defense and flat hp, but will fodder/strongbox one with crit rate, attack percent, energy recharge and elemental mastery. Even if the latter doesn't hit crit rate every time it's still a very strong artifact, whereas if the former hits anything but crit even once it's going to be less valuable.

Roll value is the secret Hoyo doesn't want you to know, you don't have to chase that perfect artifact friends, you can be free.

Another thing to consider: most stat buffs have less relative value the more of that stat you have (like Bennet's atk buff making atk% substats less valuable), but some stats don't decrease linearly. Notably, EM loses value much faster due to its contribution to a dynamic multiplier rather than being s simple % increase, making values past 200-400 have limited value outside of transformative reactions and values past 1000 usually not worth it outside of pure reaction teams like bloom+its derivatives. The reason why crit value is so often focused on is because crit offsets its value loss by *gaining* some value the more of it you have, due to crit damage being more effective the more crit rate you have. In practice, this is only really relevant in the highest stages of investment, where characters are assumed to have most of the large, easily-accessible buffs like Bennet and VV/Kazuha. As a general rule, first consult kqm's fantastically detailed character guides, but assuming the character isn't lacking important stats that aren't being made up through external buffs, a 60-120 ratio is about where crit starts becoming more valuable than other stats most of the time, and past 70:140 crit is usually notably more valuable than anything else (note that characters like Raiden or Nahida don't usually make it past 60:120 because they have other stats that are more valuable for them that they need artifacts to invest into, whereas those like Hu Tao and Ayaka tend to go very far into crit simply because they can do so without sacrificing the bare minimum of other stats).

One of the best Genshin videos I've seen I've been obsessed with watching this type of youtube content for 2 years now. Still learning so much. Well articulated and such a relief to the constant needless grind.

This is a very beautifully edited video with a lot of good points. I just have a comment regarding RV: Although RV can somewhat correlate with how "good" an artifact is, it is by no means perfect. This is simply due to the fact that it is very difficult to judge how effective an artifact is without putting it in the context of a build on a character/team. This is why RV(or even relative RV) should not be the only metric to judge how good at artifact is: it only tells you how well you rolled your artifact according to the maximum it can roll, but it cannot account for main stats, artifact set, nor how effective your characters can utilize each stat. Unfortunately, since the Genshin Optimizer does not, and will not tell users how to play the game, it is up to the players to properly educate themselves, and mentally weigh the RVs on their artifact in context with their artifact availability, main stats, character setup, and overall usefulness. The state of Genshin discourse is very CV heavy, which leads to a lot of ignorance, but the same can be said for RV as well, if creators and guide creators don't frame its nuances in the right manner. I think your video is heading in the right direction towards making users more aware and more empowered with their artifacts, and I want to applaud your efforts towards providing such insightful resources towards genshin optimization.

ER is sooo Important!!! It wasn't until the constipated beasts were thrown into the abyss that I realized how important ER is. I overvalued crit so much that my team can't burst every rotation and have to recharge while running around like a headless chicken trying to avoid them temper tantrum attacks lmao, so I rebuilt my characters and tried to increase their er even if i lowered my attack or crit. It definitely became A LOT easier to beat those hell spawns since I can burst more reliably and thus eye frame more often to avoid their attacks.

Most of electro characters have strong multipliers thus love raw ATK. It’s all a matter of balancing stat correctly. ATK and ER are still underestimated by most of the high-AR-rank players. I will never get the point of having sick crit stats while being unable to burst lacking ER, or some Ayaka builds with 300% CD on top of abysmal 1700/1800 ATK.

Thank you for this explanation!! It’s nice to see that crit isn’t the absolute best all the time stat. I’ve been getting tired of the artifact grind for elusive better ones and seeing that the damage difference isn’t even that great makes me more motivated to move on already to build more characters.

This is a great video, CV is not everything. Even roll value is slightly dubious, but weighted roll value is probably the best metric! The real reason your 0 CV sands performs similar to your 32 CV is because you have quite unbalanced main stats, this is kinda like a special case. We know that Raiden needs at least 1 ATK main stat on either Sands or Goblet, but you have neither. Instead, you are overflowing in terms of DMG bonus; see your A4, Goblet and 4-set Emblem. If you want to do ER + Electro as you have now, you better pull Engulfing Lightning to balance out the stats with more ATK%!

Thank you RU-vid algorithm for recommending this step by step masterpiece. As someone who is horrible at math and struggle from to time time with sub stats and utilizing the right ones, this video was extremely helpful and easy to understand. I tip my hat off to you for this. Thank you.

Thank you for this!🤩 So much good info in here about artifacts. Also FIRST & I love yooouuuwuwuwuwuwuwu ❤❤❤

for my builds I tend to divide them into stages. usable: 60 crit rate, over 100cd and enough er ok: 60/160+, enough er and some useful substats, doesn't have to be the bis set good: 80/160+ for consistent crits, and enough useful substats (er can drop a bit if there are enough batteries in the team), bis set great: 80/200 (or 90/190 for those who refuse to roll cd) for that juicy crit ratio, sacrificing a little bit of useful substats amazing: 80/200 with great substats. I only have 3 characters at great and above, Scara (who only needs a crit circlet with an atk% sub to be perfect), Bennett (who's on 4pc crimson), and Ningguang who somehow has my best build with her 2pc atk 2pc atk. crit rolls give the largest increase in dps in the long run, but you gotta have useful subs as well or your characters will be lacking, technically I can get my wanderer to have a better crit ratio if I switch to an offset sands and an on set feather (like +10cv), but his offset feather has 13% atk which is his only piece with an atk substat, so it's insanely valuable.

this video was so interesting and informative, ive played since 1.0 and still learnt some new stuff

my general rule is tbh, get around 50 cr - 140/150 cdmg, at least 2000 atk (or less if character can boost their atk in some way... looking at you hu tao) and of course get the main stats correctly. Thats for most dps characters, the exception is the pure reaction teams (the dendro stuff mostly), here its just stacking em and crit instead (unless its bloom reactions, there you just stack em)

Usability, versatility and flexibility >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Maximized Damage output

It's my first time watching your video (bless the algorithm), but it was a much more pleasant experience than I thought it would be. While I don't fiddle with the rotational aspect a lot, I'm one of those stat optimizers. Your point is totally valid, you nailed it better than anything I could explain. I'm just here to explain some of the more interesting math facts. 1. A 5% difference is actually huge. You don't often see artifact output difference this large. One of my funniest experience happened to when I upgraded my Hu Tao Shimenawa last year or so. I got a pretty nice 6 crit rolls piece with 1 ATK% (my current piece is also impressive, with 5 crits, 2 ATK% and a EM roll). I eyeballed it to be better, but to alleviate my trust issue, I went to genshin optimizer anyway. It did pick that, with something less than 0.2% difference. I didn't devaluate the single EM line in calculation - Hu Tao can only vapes smth like 80% of her damage because it was a hassle. Shouldn't change the actual difference much. 2. Take another example, an additional crit line (6.6 CV) on a 90 180 dps (92.2 184.4) is 3%. It's big, right? True, but going from 5 crit lines to 6 crit lines is a bigger RNG hurdle than most people think. We are more likely to use 7 or 8 useful rolls with 5 to 6 crits and changing more of the composition instead of the number of useful rolls. Changing the composition usually does not result in 1 or 2% margin. That big of a margin only comes from adding additional lines. Your roll value method is the actual way to go, although eyeballing requires somewhat a good understanding of the stat distribution and usage. For example, while a crit line typically results in 3-3.5% dps increase, while getting a 5% ATK from 1000 Base ATK is just 1.67% dps increase at 3000 ATK, and even at 2000 ATK it's 2.5%, way less than what a crit line could do. Typically we need something like 1.5 lines of ATK% to be equal to a crit roll, although some teams suffle this up. For example, Ayaka with free 55% CR from set and double Cryo typically have 1.2 ATK% = 1 crit. Other stats like EM and ER is A LOT harder to correctly evaluate. 140% ER is kqm reccommendation for Ayaka, although if you are little more concious of your energy usage, you can go down to 110% with practically the same team. So, it goes from the most important stat to just fault tolerance device. 3. Some teams have a character doing 90% of the work, something like Xiao hypercarry. Not very typical, someone like Hutao in double Hydro only does 40-50% of team damage. That being the case, 3% dps increase in Xiao is even more valuable than Faruzan doubling her damage.

I love this video so much, FINALLY someone's saying this out loud 👏

I am exmain razor this helped me to prioritize the minimum energy recharge, then critical/prob and finally any stat of the value it takes for the talents, thanks to this my rotations always have enough energy and comfort is noticeable despite there being no numbers tall, you can imagine that I was at home when the "emblem of destiny" set came out, for me the most broken stat is energy recharge, there is nothing more satisfying than finishing the rotation and having the ultis ready for the next one

An absolute shame it is - you having only 3710 Subs ... should have more like 3 million instead!!! - absolute well done video! Thank you for clarifying that crit isnt everything especially if you are more like a genshin enjoyer than a tryhard. I experienced it myself that as soon as you have the feeling that lategame its just about getting the best out of any artifact - the game can get really frustrating and i think there are many ppl that may feel the same.

as a player who likes flashy looking builds with high CV, I've burned myself out of the game simply because of the grind it takes to get the sets and numbers that look good. but even before then, i figured that attack versus crit is just a matter of diminishing returns. attack only goes so far, and same with crit. My Raiden has pretty okay stats (something like 50/120 but close to over 2k attack and 287 ER%) and can do an okay 60-100k with her burst. it really is just dependent on what you have for your build and what you're willing to sac to get the stats you want. like I use skyward spine over my R5 catch because it has a way higher base attack, so her attack gets higher with Bennett, meaning the damage is only off by about ~5%, which is less than enough to make me want to switch when xiangling can just as easily use it

Crit damage is only valuable if you crit, otherwise all those stats (including crit) go down the gutter on those hits. Meanwhile the other stats are non conditional in their value. EM will always provide its value when you play, atk/hp/def/er will also always present value. Then there’s the fact that some character’s personal dmg is so low it’s a bit silly to prioritize Cr/CrD. Like Toma would be better off prioritizing EM and ER. If you get some HP%, Atk%, or Cr then take those as a nice bonus. Not to mention had you put those resins towards guarantees such as lvls, talents, and weaps then you’d find your account naturally growing stronger. I have almost every character in the game and almost every character fully built. They may not be ideally built in terms of having the perfect matching set but they have most of the stats they need to function. Once finishing talents, a very expensive endeavor, then I can focus on slowly increasing the value of my account at the mercy of RNG gods. To 36 star the abyss your artifacts only need to be decent in terms of consistency across your team. If anything, it’s only those occasional battle events that have stricter artifact requirements to nab those bonus weapon xp crystals. This is to not mention that it’s very possible in the future there will be domains or enemies that modify your crit value which lowers the importance of crit. It has happened in many other games before. So I agree, don’t get hung up on spending months chasing after a 1-5% increase (maybe even decrease if you underestimate the other stats)

The thing with crit is you need two stats for it to work, but the effect grows multiplicatively. The huge crit damage will not help you unless you have crit rate above the certain level. And then, having your CR higher than the certain amount (which is different depending on the character, team, and other bonuses) will bring no effect whatsoever. And no, this is not about balancing crits 2:1, just forget it already. There is no such thing, get it? Crit rate is more important in the beginning, when you don't really have much. Each percent below 50% is a huge deal. But after you hit the ceiling, there is no benefit at all. Crit damage on the other hand have no ceiling, but it only matters as long as you can land a crit hit. If you have only 20% chance of doing so, your actual crit damage value is as low as 1:5 when compared to attack percentage stat. So before you evaluate your artifact, have a look at the character stat summary. Each percent of CR changes the value of your CD.

Oh, also, the Sands of Eon with Elemental Mastery is obviously better cuz EM based Ei is the most effective way to use Ei.

True, It's all about balance. Most DPS characters requires Main scaling stat(HP/Def/Atk), CR/CD with certain ER requirements. Some high and low. Others needs EM For Raiden specifically on standard build, she needs ER, ATK, CR, CD. The only exception for DPS are the new Dendro bloom reactions. All you need is just one stat. EM. Overall, CV isn't everything. A non-wasted stat distribution is.

When I level artifacts for my characters, I aim to have a minimum of 3 useful substats. If both are crit and the other two are useless, I'll try anyway. Sometimes the artifact just has EM, atk, and ER but as long as those are useful, it's fine! Once an artifact has two failed rolls before +20 (and counting an artifact with only 3 substats as having a failed roll already), I'll unlock it and feed it to another "maybe" artifact if one is available. But it's worth noting that I'm not going to farm an entire domain just for one character. When I'm in Momiji-Dyed Court, I'm looking for HP for Yelan+Thoma, atk for Xiangling+my future Raiden, and DEF for Gorou. And of course I want ER for all of them, and Thoma and Gorou don't care about crit but do benefit somewhat from EM. There are many possibilities to make a piece have potential, so it doesn't feel like a waste to keep farming and farming. And on the other side, a great Shimenawa piece can be a good placeholder for a character I'm still building if it isn't good enough for my Yoimiya. You might have noticed that Xingqiu isn't in this list. That's because Xingqiu already has excellent hydro dmg bonus artifacts so there's no reason to start his build over from scratch. Even though Emblem is his BiS, there is no way an Emblem build is going to beat the pieces I have on him when there is so much competition for Emblem pieces and none for what he's got.

Really interesting video and earned a sub from me. The main lesson here is not to over-value crit like you say but I suppose its also to not under-value ATK%. Will definitely bear this in mind. Thanks!

The main point of it all is that the community needs to scream at hoyo everywhere AMAP about the unheathy number of lvls of random in artifact farming and asking them for adjustments/rework of the whole thing

"Flat defence because ofcourse" you gained a subscriber with that 😂

My Keqing has 100% crit rate, since I use the black sword on her. She's not the best but she's not meant to be, she's just meant to tank some harder hitting attacks, heal a bit while applying electro and switch to a different character to proc reactions.

I generally just try to get artifacts with 0 flat stats and maybe one crit value with atk%. Just having no flat stat is OK enough in my book.

I love the Genshin streamer community but they have 100% poisoned the well on artifacts. The math clearly shows the odds of getting a "god roll" for each slot or even a S tier artifact are so low that you're more likely to get struck by lightning. They pay to refresh resin and create an unrealistic view of what players are actually going to have access to. It's a whale mentality that assumes you're spending thousands of dollars on the game. There is a great video that shows a much more achievable standard: Flower: 7 (try for 3 crit rolls) Feather: 7 (try for 3 crit rolls) Sands: 3-4 (3 crit) Circlet: 3 (2 crit) Goblet: 2 (both Crit if possible...effing goblets) This character would play more than fine and be able to clear Spiral. Total up the rolls and you get 22 rolls which is considered bad in most circles. I use this on every character and clear 36 star easily. Flower rolls ATK%, ER, Crit Rate%, HP? Level it up, if you get two more rolls into crit rate it's fine. Slap it on. Stop worrying about getting 9 good rolls on your flower and feather. F@#$ that. A good rule of thumb is that you should NEVER spend more resin on your character in the artifact domains then you did getting them to 9-9-9 max level.

I really needed to hear all this, thx! Great video and editing!

Again something I had no idea of!! Thank you for making this video❤😊

My Raiden is C0 and Skyward Spine, and using the Genshin Optimizer I found that for my build, your new Crit Sands would have performed worse for me than the ATK% Sands, and both performed worse than the ATK% main stat Sands she's currently wearing. But the only reason I checked is because I still thought your Crit one would've been much better... the more you know.

The crit thing is something of a conundrum with others like Xiao: who perfectly abuses Vermillion not just because of the proc mechanic but the Atk% it gives on top of his own Dmg% sources. Also I've actually farmed enough mats to get his ER to 141% while maintaining a respectable 75/186 ratio with 4pc Vermillion when I transition to a PJWS, which even if somewhat low, actually far outclasses my current 70/197 ratio with other weapons. I mention this because of the whole upcoming crit set that he can also use and some are frothing at the idea when it could probably be not worth it That said, great video

I have 2 feathers for my Ayaka. The first one has 21% crit damage, the second one 13% crit damage and 25%Atq. I thougth that my 21% crit damage one would be better but i was wrong, and since i got her weapon i value the Atq even more.

This is very useful! Thank you so much. I learnt this way too late into the game LOL but I'm still currently trying to make my Wanderer stronger 💪💪💪

keep in mind, if you don't use bennet often in your teams like me, attack percent becomes so valuable.

I have been playing daily since release and have never seen such beautiful artifacts !

Skill based is SO much better than RNG I 100% agree. Still, I tend to lean in favor of high crit (edit i mean CRIT RATE) since all my characters that nevefit from criticals tend to already have everything else going for them or even to an excess. Also when will 120FPS be added for PC genshin?

TLDR : it depends on what character the artifact is used on, but generally crit % is still valued more than atk% because you can get atk% from time piece/sands main stat. if we dont get crits sub stats but theres atk% , it will do the job for a while until you get better one

I generaly go for a basic whatever set not realy caring for stats to have the set bonus. Then ill start lookin for acceptable main stats replacing as i go, at this point ill take them to about +12. Lastly ill look for substats if they roll well to +20 they go. The replaced 5 star artifacts go to a secondary character if i have one i want to build or gets it recycled otherwise. 50%ish crit rate is enough for me.

Crit is not overrated. It is just an universal multiplier that is very reliable to Main DPS characters and many Sub-DPS characters. However, it is not the best stat in the game. That would be Energy Recharge, because a team needs all it's resources to be in check for rotations to work out. Crit cannot keep the consistency of a loopable rotation if a character needs its own burst to be ready at every loop.

Btw the artifact grind indeed makes ppl to turn away from the game. It happened to me as well. I got lots of character but more then half of them are like lvl 20-40, coz it takes a week or two to lvl up till 80, but freaking month to grind artifacts, so in the end you have less fun comp, coz you got few characters you invested into.

While here am I, not even using my resins anymore. Feels good

No, it depends on the character's already existing stats, cuz Crit scaling is a bit more complicated. It doesn't scale linearly and is affected both the Crit Rate and Crit Damage stats, and even by the ATK and Damage Bonus stat. Ideally, you actually want a pretty balanced stats, with not one stat being too low. For exmaple, you may have 100% Crit Rate and 1000% Crit Damage but if you're ATK is so low that you do 1 base damage, you ain't gonna do much.

AR60 here, I do a check every 3 months on Artifact Optimizer, Why 3 months? Well, the amount of gold quality artifacts discovered when I build other characters it's awesome, I can't count how many times the artifacts from not so played characters, have made it on to main characters build , because they rolled so well, I feel like all my builds are constantly evolving each time I repeat the whole process And also it's easier to clean the low roll value artifacts, so yeah, I'm having 600 artifacts on my inventory usually

It's not often I watch Genshin videos that go into the numbers because I largely ignore them 😅 but this was very interesting! It's hard for me to justify the effort artifact optimization requires when highly optimized teams are only useful for time-gated fights. The only place it matters are events (which are typically easy to get most/all the rewards), exploration battles with the red bell (95% extremely easy), and of course spiral abyss where imo the rewards arent worth the effort. I basically stopped playing spiral abyss after I hit AR 60 in 3.1 because I realized the time and effort to do the frustrating fights was less fun to me than just walking around the world or playing another game, all for another 3 and a half wishes or whatever. I can get 34-36* basically every time but if i hate it what's the point. 😆 My newer characters have something like 25% CR and 85% CD and I dont even notice for 90% of content. In fact its more fun because I dont one-shot everything instantly like i do with my Yelan or Itto. Unless they give me reason not to, I'm gonna keep playing like that for the most part.

Great work ! I've been player for 3 years, my advice would to upgrade a lot of different caracters with different elements for abyss. It's ok to not have the best artefacts ! 70-80% efficiency is enough, try to optimize your caracter if you really love it and want to be proud but thats all. Generaly your best caracters are the ones where you're lucky and not the ones you want ! You will go crazy if you try to hard farm, I spent like 3 months for my tartaglia

Specifically for Raiden Sarah gives Crit Damage so rolling extra Crit Rate affects Sarah's bonus more than getting more crit damage.

more... i like this kind of analysis . My button smashing tactics is hurt

This video is so important. I also enjoy more self sefficiant characters.

You would be surprised how a rainbow artifact set with better substats deals more damage than the decent EoSF you have. Genshin Optimizer showed me this. Been farming Gilded for a long time and haven't got a single set that could rival the god tier rainbow set I have on my Yae Miko. Before aiming for the set, aim for the substats first! The lucky artifact you got could have brought more effective stat increase if Raiden has not been limited by the confines of the EoSF set that you are trying to achieve. Crit stats are always in high regard if you are min maxing stats for a character, there is no compromise for it. As you mentioned on the pinned comment, the non-crit artifact loses value over time because it is not critting enough during rotation cycles, although the crit artifact only brought a small amount of damage increase it ramps up over the course of the rotation leaving behind the non-crit alternative.

I learned more of mathematics and literature from genshin than school 💀​

Thank you! Always felt like the whole focus on crit was way overrated but everyone’s just so obsessed about it. Now I can take off a load 😂

The energy gated gear grind is what's slowly wearing me out in HSR. Resources are so scarce it feels like it's taking forever to get two MoC teams going.

based, because what am I supposed to do with 80% crit rate and 200% crit dmg if there's no good ER stats and now EM as well.

Overall good video, the thing is Raiden is a bad example for this type of talk I feel because she has alot more options for damage builds than most characters, that being said is true that people go overboard with crit but… it depends on the character we are talking about a lot of characters won’t play well without enough crit and it’s just that simple, we would need to take it one character at a time to see the full Picture, because not every character uses atk well and it much better with crit, EM is very over looked as well. But it’s hard to change it up when players have been playing the same way for so long. Crit is not overrated, ATK is underrated.

90% people who stop farming artifact is 1 domain run before 50 CV. Stay grinding Kings

First off, you absolutely did not compare a 21% atk er sands with a 34% crit value er sands, you compared it with a 14% crit value sands. that 10% crit rate is a massive buffer that cannot go underlooked as the current raiden build is lacking some serious consistency. Assuming you want to clear abyss floor 12 and maybe even 9 star it, there is absolutely no reason to level anyone or their talents that is not required in the teams you play. While I understand playing the game for enjoyment of the characters, this video is about damage. While maximizing rotations is important, it will NOT get you 36* in the abyss. Crit on a HYPERCARRY is absolutely the most important stat to go for and 21% atk on all of your artifacts will get you just about nowhere. That being said, its important to enjoy the game and I appreciate your effort in making the video!

Am I the only one who got lost as soon as the video hit the 1:51 mark? It's been two years and I still don't get why everyone wants Emblem of Severed Fate sets.

I actually learned this way back in the day. I was gearing a keqing, back around her banner patch way back when, and i noticed that the god roll crit piece actually did less dmg than a full atk% roll piece. So i realized chasing crit at the expense of all else doesnt actually do anything. It's more about finding a good way to balance your stats.

Whenever I’m unsure, I would raise both artifacts to 20 and test it out on the character. Worst come to worst, I can give the weaker artifact to a 4-star character.

I got bullied off of a creator's Discord for saying 75% crit was enough and there's no need to go for 85 to 95% if that means you can have bigger crit dmg...

Crit isn't overrated. Raiden is a super specific case, especially your build. In every character like in every equation, if you want the most damage, you want all your icognites (sources of damage) to be evenly spread out like: 3*3*3=27 or 3*2*4=24 and this applies to every character (this is an example on why spreading stats is ideal) Saying crit isn't as valuable is a mistake since in game and in abyss there are a lot of atk% buff sources. Like Bennett, like noblesse, like nymph's, like tenacity...etc This makes it so when you get those buffs, your stats are evenly spread out. If we did what you explained about atk%, after those buffs, the character wouldn't be balanced and would be the equivalent of 3*1*5= 15 which is significantly worse than the evenly spread options above. But of course, if you're playing Raiden alone with no teammates nor buffs, the best build would be too have a little of everything besides EM since you wouldn't be doing reactions without a team Additionally, even if 1 artifact doesn't make much of a difference, if this mindset is applied to the whole build, it will definitely suffer in damag. Just like you need to get little by little to get a great build, if you laze out little by little on each artifact, all that will add up and the whole build will be the result of all those lazed out artifacts. Anyways, a good team and skill will always beat the content so it all comes down to skill issue if you can't go through abyss.. although artifacts always play a role

5:20 You don't want to look at overall damage. For example it doesn't matter if Bennett's buff doesn't have 100% uptime because Raiden isn't dealing relevant damage for 100% of the buff's duration anyway. She deals damage in her ult and then her personal damage plummets. So you realistically only want to look at what is achievable and sustainable in her burst window, whatever happens outside of her burst window is irrelevant since she does no damage anyway, it's the time to recharge and setup the next rotation. That being said, calculating optimal stats in Genshin is very challenging so it's good that you're trying to explain it to people! ^_^

I personally use crit value as my baseline when judging artifacts, and just eyeball secondary stats that are nice. I usually weigh good attack% rolls more favorably than a "slight" increase in CV. But I'll often take CV over ER or EM unless it's a character that really wants more of those two stats. My Xinqui is particularly finnicky to improve because while it'd be easy to just improve his CV, his artifacts have JUST enough ER that he can battery himself in a single Sac Sword combo. Meanwhile my Xiangling has 270% ER and still feels like she needs more.

and thats why i'm still using attack crown on ayaka,because she do more damage than my crit damage crown.

Such a great video and such a nice take ! This is what I’ve been in noticing since early genshin. Its better to feel enough of the decent artifacts rather than losing sanity in the artifacts domain 😀 , despite that i still regularly clear the abyss with 36stars . Just read the description and do the calculations . You’ll be fine !

When you have played the game for almost 3 years now how to build a character just automatically clicks in your brain. It's not just artifacts, you need to think about the weapon's passive and match the artifacts to that. I have engulfing lightning which means my raiden's er and atk are not to worry about. So best option is to stack as much crit as possible.

I disagree with the point of the video because of 2 reasons: 1. Crit roles are just best for every character that wants to do damage, as sometimes a character doesn’t want attack like yelan or hu tao, however crit is almost always valuable (almost being with the one exception: kokomi) 2: the reason crits are more important is because in 99% of scenarios, diminishing returns can hit worse with a hyper build, as just giving raiden bennet or sara (much less both) can make crit much more valuable. So in conclusion: crits are the ultimate stat as it’s universal in almost all cases, while attack isn’t, as well as the fact that crits for a specific build like in this one are similar but the entire point is optimizing with artifacts (just think about the fact that everyone drills that 1/2 ratio is the most important, however a 1/3 ratio is 98.7 percent of 1/2 ratio, that’s a 1.33% less damage which is basically nothing, but it’s all about optimizing)

People ignoring energy recharge is SOOOOO common. I see more c0 Yelan builds with less than 130% ER than more for example. Kazuha is another one I often see around 110-120% ER. Now strong builds are not needed for open world so the only real content you would be this focused on min/maxing your artifacts would be for Spiral abyss. When you do your abyss you are doing a team rotation and if your rotation stalls out where you cannot continue due to not having energy to use your bursts that feels soo bad. Stuck doing nothing until you have energy back. People also dont understand how much of a DPS loss it is if they get large chunks of time doing nothing as they need their energy.

When playing video games start to feel like homework.

Something I always keep in mind when building my characters is a par amount of 26 rolls. Most characters have 3 primarily useful stats in their build and 26 rolls is what you get when you get all the needed stats from each piece and roll an average 2 rolls in each of them. In practice you will have some weaker pieces and some stronger pieces so it will kind of balance out, but this number is a very reasonable target for most builds. Past 26 rolls you are reaching the territory of needing to be extremely lucky in every slot so it becomes a massive sink to continue to push stats for.

I am going back to the Vermillion domain and nobody can stop me.

Crit rate is very important. We must not forget it

I'm surprised you are the first person to address this. I figured this out my first year of playing. My relative formula is 100 attack = 10 crit damage with 1/2 crit ratio. Roll value is definitely what I use. I have a Kujo Sara with a lot of junk roll value pieces. (All attack, all energy, a few cv rolls) My final result was godly. 75/170, 250er, 1600 attack. (Skyward harp/ 4 line starting artifacts) All because I didn't want to trash my roll value pieces. I'm so happy someone actually builds characters exactly like me!

Yo that voice is amazing 😍😍😍. Stay blessed 🙏🏼😇.

MY BRAIN stopped working after 9:00. stf.... with his infoo OVERLOAD

I gave my Ganyu attack on all her Artifacts... cryo damage bonus and crit rate/damage was a waste... I was missing out on an extra 500+ Attack points 😮

Hope they make artifacts easier to roll for what you want , or a general overhaul , doubt they will do anytging

3:54 He fell into a common trap. He thought that bigger numbers meant more dps, when the increase in crit rate alone meant that his dps increased substantially. So no, the 2 artifacts may yield the same damage number (ish), but their dps are completely different.