The Truth about Forza Motorsport 2023... 

The biggest problem with Forza (Motorsport specifically) is that they have become too complacent. They give us, the community, just enough to grab our attention, but they never really push the limits of what they can do or usher in something entirely new. It's sad really...

The thing that’s bugging me the most is the fact there’s not a single motorsport themed race category in career mode! No touring cars/gt cars/hypercar events. It’s a motorsport game launched without those 😮 They may be coming later on but it’s a bit rubbish there’s nothing at the start

You can skip practice laps if you go to exit the race it will come up with finish or exit practice 🙃

I’ve played games like this since gt1. I’ve never been able to tolerate doing 1 qualifying lap. The fact that you level up your car during practice makes it kinda fun for me.

The starter cars are appropriate except that mustang, should have been an EcoBoost with the GT available in later events.

Built from the ground up, yet they couldn't even be bothered to add new car spoilers 😂

What I do like with the new physics, the tyres finally feel like they're made of rubber, instead of plasticy feeling where they slip constantly, it gives you a more realistic feel to the car.

I actually really enjoy the practice. It feels more immersive and makes me feel like the game has more for me to do. Plus it's nice when youre getting adjusted to a new car.

You don't need to do practice. Once youre in the practice session you can pause then go to exit and then quit practice or something similar will show up

You don't need to buy multiples of the same car to have different setups. In the Upgrade and Tune menu, there is a Setup Manager where you can store the current tuning and installed car parts. So, once you have your car maxed out, you can create multiple configurations and load them at will for a particular race.

I've thought about how they could improve the upgrades. Car Points are great. But locking the upgrades behind levels is very stupid. 1. Get rid of the locked upgrades. Open it to everyone, but 2. Keep the upgrades qith car points. Then, you can 3. Keep the levelling system. Every time you level up your car, you earn car points to further your upgrades. Like i drove the RCF,.instantly knew i needed weight reduction and tires, 2 of the most basic upgrades to a car, but i had to wait until like level 20 to get it and it's such a bad decision. Then they can make the level cap infinite as a personal achievement for each player to show "hey, i got my mustang to level 125. I use this thing a lot across my career. And they can transfer car points across duplicate cars so if i gave 20,000 points for my mustang, and then i buy another mustang, i can have the same amount of points

I miss the good old calendar progression system from motorsport 3 i prefer to drive slow cars then go to fast

Upgrading per manufacturer would be best I think. Also they need wheels spacers to fix the gaps

Couple extra things, the practice can be skipped (start > exit > skip practice). Secondly, the practice isn't always the length of the race. Earlier, I had 2 laps of full Silverstone for practice, but 4 laps for the race. So it depends.

Why the graphics look like that

Let's cut to the chase. This isn't built up from the ground up. Its FM7 with a poor refresh and less content. 5 years of waiting for this underwhelming mess.

Forza Motorsport 4 is still the daddy this seems dead

i cant believe they still didnt fix the ass hand movement in the cockpit view since FM3, which was released like 14 years ago

And also they forgot to put the SUV’s and pickup trucks on Forza Motorsport 2023. They haven’t finished yet to update the vehicles.🙄😔

Skipping practice is possible but they hide it in a way that most people may never find. When you're in practice you have to pause the game, select the exit race option and THEN it will show the option to skip the practice.

Been playing it from 1am to 4pm last night and had to go to work this morning......I'm loving it....

Raytracing is only on the car body self reflecting and other cars. Car body reflections of the environment are all old-school cube maps. Road reflections are screen-space.

Great races out there Theo! @17:12 ayoo that hatchback punted Theo!

19:31 Bruh, his reaction to all the free gifts is so funny for some reason XD

The reflections on the ground are screen space reflections. The RT is only on cars and trackside objects with mirror like surfaces.

Alot of the racing I think you're looking for is going to be in the multiplayer lobbies. People setting up races for various classes of cars and performance tiers, and being able to jump in with your cars that you want to drive. The grinding per car seems annoying, but on the other hand, an important thing to do is to drive the car from stock and then see what it needs for upgrades to suit your needs. That said, once you unlocked the parts for a particular car, buying another of the same car, should have all the parts unlocked. Having to redo it over again is definitely an oversight I think.

It's glitchy. And there is a bunch of pop in on the series x. And I know this will sound crazy. But they still haven't fixed the replay system. One thing I love about gt 7 is that when you have an awesome race you can go back and watch the replay. And the way they set it up its never the same replay twice. It is an awesome feature.

9:26 for those who don’t know you can skip the practice by going to exit in pause menu ad it will have selection there

The biggest problem in FORZA MOTORSPORT 8 (FM2023) is online only for career mode and 82 percent of the car lists in FORZA MOTORSPORT 8 that came straight from FORZA MOTORSPORT 7. Still no Ayumu Uehara's Sauber Mercedes C9, Karin Asaka and Emma Verde's Peugeot 908s, Toyota GR010 LMH, and Vanwall!

When they started throwing around "built not bought" marketing around the upgrade system, you knew things were going in the wrong direction.

When they say drivatar they mean it use to copy racing styles of your friends. As now they use the gamertags but they dont copy styles

This is my first time back since last year . When did you get the new microphone head

It’s wonderful, me and some other players stuck in the builders cup, can’t even enter the main menu to explore

Biggest mistake was choosing the civic as the starter, managing understeer is actually hard imo

Theres a bug where if you change video settings you get a grey screen of washed out. Gotta exit game and re launch. That is why you see some footage of washed out picture

Great video! @blackpanthaa I’d love to see a part 2 once you’ve completed more of the missions

I think the practice is perfect, nice way to learn the track

Oh baby, time for motorsport to still not be used in esports since GT7 exists

Built front the ground up to add some ray tracing to forza motorsport 7.

Festival playlists in Motorsport games could probably help post-launch

The addition of Safety and Driver rating to multiplayer should make the online races more sane. Once you clear the qualifier series.

Ya it's crazy you have to actually race the car to lvl it up in a race game

Wait, MS sent you a PC code for STEAM and not GP?

It really, really turns out to be a bad game. Just refunded it, it's like playing a beta at most. And the sound... so bad.

Ray tracing is limited according to digital foundry. Regardless, looking forward to giving it a go.

You know, the car levelling system is not new There was a feature like this way back in frorza motorsport 4 called affinity level and it did the same think just with affinity level u got discount on the car brand u was levelling up so this is not new in motorsport

i really wanted to see a campaign. If anyone has played the f1 23 story mode, you know what i mean. I want to follow a driver and their journey. Imagine if forza had a story for different classes of racing, maybe we could have seen a gt3 campaign or an open wheel story, or maybe we follow a drivers progress as they make it through the ranks, gain a reputation and really connect to a specific driver. This games doesnt do that, theres a few cut scenes and cool graphical animations and a little dialogue, but its just pracitce, race, practice , race, move onto the next cateogry, practice, race, practice, race. Theres no final goal, no proper progression with a character. As a fan of gt3, f2, and f1 the drivers and the cars, and their bond with them, their personality and the attatchment you make to them, the enemies, the rivals, thats what makes it fun. fighting a specific driver, or specific rival gives an overtake purpose, makes a battle worth fighting for and makes the game worth playing, like it has a greater purpose. Theres no championships in the way real sports have. I think drivertars break this because drivertars arent real people, or actual characters. they change every race and its just a name. if we had a grid of 20 drivers all with characters and storys behind them, i would love to see that. I would also love to see specific race types like sprint races, endurance racing, proper qualifying sessions with multiple knock out zones like they have in f1 wheres 3 qualifiying session, each with the bottom 5 drivers getting knocked out. we should have to plan our time on track, try to avoid traffic to get a good lap in and things like that. qualifying in the new motorsport is literally a case of selecting your grid spot. theres no reward for getting pole postion on the grid. I also see no formation laps, games like assetto corsa competitione have this and its a game changer, also the start sequence is so boring, its a 3 2 1 go. i wanna see 5 red lights and a silent track with a classic beep sound when each light is turned on. It also looks like the race engineer isnt present during the race when you want them. as someone who plays at a very high difficulty level, i want to ask my race engineer how far away the car infront is, am i gaining on them, what was their last lap time, what tires are they on, etc... this all plays into strategy as i find it enjoyable to think about my long term strategy in the game. i might wanna run long on my tires, or migth want to go for an undercut, but i cant make the decisions without the information of the cars ahead and behind. also the penalty system and track limit system looks to be terrible, in the video, he sent it through 10+ cars and crashed into one of them, breached track limits and ruined the race of another driver, and the game literally said no penality. whats that all about. seriously, no penalty for doing that? I also fear multiplayer isnt going to be great with the lack of penalties and rules, i also dont think we have a ranked mode for the new motorsport and even if we did , would it be a points based division setup? also i would love to see safety ratings in both campaign and mltiplayer, all the racing you do should be displayed on your licence

There still isn’t models for the rear cockpit view that GT7? Like actually seeing the rear windshield?

The best addition was that fov adjustment to the cockpit. Other than that, same forza lip & spoiler, same S15 car model, more difficulty to get the same exact 16 year old engine upgrades 😢

Need the auction house, tune marketplace and drag racing like FM2, FM3 and FM4

Sick AF Is an SSD a 100% requirement? Whats your video card bro? i have a 3060 Cheers

2:06 sooo... is this Cadillac running on 1st gear only? Like, going about a 100 mph on first gear?

In the practice session you can press pause and then skip the practice session

I'm running 3440x1440 ultra everything with my 3080 12gb. I locked it at 60 fps and had zero issues.

Remember when the leading features of Horizon 5 they mentioned on stage were 3D scanned rocks?

i just hope it contains the old cars, like nissan silvia, pontiac GTOs, mustang saleen, eagle talon, jetta 2004 and those old daily cars that you could have fun running them in circuit.

No matter what platform you play on remember to always have fun and be respectful.Happy Gaming

What graphics card are you using?

after playing all day I can say the only problem I have is the pack runs into you and slows you down and the top 2 cars just fly... starting in the back for most money isnt really worth it early. you actually make more money on a slightly lower setting if you do want to start in back and drive through. Online races have been great besides 1-2 races that were chaos im not the fastest man but my s rating is S and my comp lv or w.e is 3k somthing. the first 3 races online just dont Q like most games like this and just let everyone else take eachother out. I placed 1st in one race and 9th in the other 2 with 12 car heats. just take it at ur own pace and get a feel. im loving it so far on controller and wheel(needs some tweeks in settings)

What have the developers been doing for the last 5 years? They have been pressing only 3 keys on their keyboards: Ctrl, C and V.

I'm happy to have some structure back in the racing format. You will have to unlearn the anything goes expectation you had based on Horizon, but that's a good thing and becomes more enjoyable as you get deeper into the game. I LOVE the handling physics!

I dont understand how so many people can work at turn10 and nobody noticed in 6yrs how unexciting it was to play knowing if u move to try anything new you'll need to upgrade again.. Bored of it already and ive only got 3 cars to level 3,5 and 11..and whats the point of your first career event making you change car.. Ive just spent 1 to 2hrs upgrading the civic to 11 and you have no option to carry on upgrading you're forced to start over with another car.. So any new event series you'll b at level 1..will see how it progresses✌️

The reflections on the road are screen space bro. Still looks great tho.

Basically it makes you become a better driver. Its not fast paced anymore. I dont mind.

This game does need better pc optimization i got a 3080 and it doesn't like ultra settings i can only run half the settings in ultra the rest on high i could be doing something wrong though ill check to see if theres a driver update that could be whats wrong

Very cool video black panthaa

First thing I'm doing is get rid of the racing line. Well maybe the second if they force you to start with it on.

You can skip practice by pressing exit in the menu and it's going to say skip practice

Hi will the game have festival circuits?

Funny how rear view mirrors still not have track limit lines in them after all these years

If I’m doing a career with a car that’s not for me I just skip practice laps by pressing exit practice then it gives you the option to skip it. But I enjoy the car I’m driving I find it fun to do the practice laps

I can’t believe how many cars they DON’T have. The Bugatti Bolide. The Veyron. The Aston Martin Valkyrie. Pagani Zonda/Zonda R. Lamborghini Sesto Elemento or Murcialago SV. So many cars you’d expect to be in the game. No doubt we’ll have to pay for them later on

Are the practice is here to make cars levelling feel sorta faster.

What graphics card you have

Where's your t-shirt from bro?

The grind is going to kill this game I believe

My biggest problem why i doesnt play anymore is nurburgring. I was top 10 on mapple valley few week after launch did grind a little bit but god its boring without my nurbugring

Just refunded the game, the grind you need to do with every single car is atrocious to be able to upgrade it as you want etc

didn't know a stock mustang could split flames lol.

I'm bout ready for a forza motosport story like there's alot u can do storyline wise for motorsport

All this hype. To be let down...

so... 3:09 why is the backfire beeing reflected on the rear diffusor which should be covered by the bodywork? EDIT: The whole track lighting is reflecting on parts that should not shine on.

Wait if the whole shtick is that you have to build up your cars and work your way up then why did it just bombard you with a bunch of cars and money as soon as you finished the first cup.

Is it playable on Xbox one?

Awesome feedback on the game so far Theo. You really gave a feel a honest perspective on the positives and somethings that need improvement or changed.

Been waiting for this review

Everyone has an opinion and that is the way it should be. I will just say at least Forza had the balls to try something new and I love it! Not giving everything away out of the gate and making you earm it is the way it should be. As long time GT fan this may be the best format of a racing game I have ever played! Genius! The physics and grapics are amazing as well! Love this game!

I hope there is an update iv almost finished the career with in 5 days, surely there is more????

4:07 Theo shouting obnoxiously at the Essenza to win 😂

Changing your difficulty (damage, tires, penalties) really does make the game a bit more rewarding. You just crashing into everyone is cringe I’m used to the harder levels

Like what dev really say down and said " Hey, what if we made people have to grind out 50 levels to upgrade a car so we can decentify driving multiple cars and setting up multiple builds.

This game is meant to be played with a driving wheel (preferably with Direct-drive). I am amazed how you still play with a controller. You're driving all over the place on the road with that controller, it's hilarious 😅

Forza Motorsport is meant to be a simulator, whereas the Horizon series is just a playhouse. I think once you factor that in, it changes the perspective.

I really dislike the way these games make you sit through all these different event types right at the start of the game. It eliminates any feeling of mystery like you had with the TDU games. You really had to work your way up and grind to drive the fast/exclusive cars, here they’re just handed to you!

I played the game before same feeling. Oh well. Hope it's not $70

Im honestly having fun with this game it took allot of fiddling with the ffb advanced input settings to get it to feel right with my Moza R5 and hgp shifter hbp handbrake i got CRP pedals to replace the srp lites on the way will be here October 10th hope its not a pain to get them working properly like the rest of the moza stuff huge pain in the butt but i got it and its awesome never ever has a fed car felt so good and realistic even better tha Assetto corsa fwd physics this game is awesome on wheel once you finally my get it setup settings wise cause the stock settings are very much trash so horrible once setup though its the best

I wish FM7 at least got more updates before this came out. It's ridiculous how once this game was announced,the devs just suddenly dropped support for FM7

Terrific game, super fun. I'm 20 hours into it, and I love it. I play the Builder's Cup solo career and the Rivals mode. I dont play online tournaments, but the game needs a permanent internet connection all the same, unfortunately. I recommend a wired connection rather than wireless, as any data interuption might cause the game to get stuck when loading a race. I've felt connected with every car I've driven so far. It's like I'm one with the car, feels amazing. The control is very good with a regular controller. Cars are responsive and physics feel great around corners. I don't have a wheel, but I might end up getting one just for this game for an even higher sense of involvement. Improving your car level and pilot level feels rewarding. The more you drive, the better your drive around the tracks, the more points you get and the faster you evolve as you get access to more performance parts and upgrades, which unlock progressively. You need to work your way to the top, and you become a much better driver in the process. I'm at difficulty 5/8 and choose to start the races from the last place on the grid for a bit of challenge. I win all the races with relative ease, so I might need to raise the difficulty to 6/8. Graphically, I don't like the lack of colours under certain lighting and weather conditions, it all looks washed out, and kind of misty a bit too often. On a clear day, tracks can look great, though. The overall muted colour palette around tracks doesn't apply to cars, which show more vivid colours. Why have Turn10 chosen to go desaturated beyond realistic, I wonder? Maybe a stylistic choice. I don't care for ray tracing. I find it pointless. Would rather dedicate resources to other aspects of the game, like AI. In real life, there are far less reflections than what RT is trying too hard to emulate. No such thing as a mirror effect everywhere in the real world, except perhaps on a rainy day and a wet road. I do appreciate 60fps, makes a huge difference compared to 30fps, which to me is bordering unplayable and doesn't belong in this console generation. I dont see the point of offering this option in a 12 Tflops system, to be honest. I noticed something I didnt like in the replays. When braking before the bends, it shows the wheels strangely locking up in the replay despite driving with ABS on, and the brakes dont turn red as they heat up. Looks bad, especially when the wheels stop turning. The choice of cars is great as it is, but a bit more tracks would be nice. Turn10 say they're working on those, we shall see. Overall, for what I personally value in a racing game, this is a blast. It strikes the perfect balance between arcade and simulation, and you can easily tweak it one way or another with the aids. I give it a solid 9/10, despite the very muted colour palette, small glitches and required permanent connection to play solo, which in the end don't weigh that much in the scales to me.

Great vid.

Find it wierd that the middle dials arent working. I know its only a little thing but you would think the first 3 cars would be super detailed as thats the first thing you see.