The Truth about Indian Motorcycles (Dark Horse Review) 

RIP indian

Nah man that's just hard-core hunting. Hope you're ok though

@@badopinionsrighthere this reply was so grossly slept on LOL

🤣🤣. Dag

I have kangaroo and deer down here to avoid on my chieftain 🇦🇺

wishful thinking...I've got nothing in common with some cosplaying Harley rider...really we're on different planets...not that I don't mind a good laugh mind you..they just don't seem to like it...bwa hahahahaha

@@mikeadams2351 Time to change your tampon

@@guffinator70 wow a 6th grade put down...what will I do now? well it won't be cosplaying a hell angel's act...bwa hahahahahahaha really tampon? I guess something like that would bother YOU...bwa hahahahahahaha my life is in ruins..you big bully...bwa hahahahahaha hey dude there's this orange clown act running around shootig his big mouth off..and looking like a FOOL...he has a saying..SAD...bwa hahahahahahahaha

m.w. Adams You come lashing out at some cartoon stereotype but talk about a 6th grade insult. Hilarious.

@@guffinator70 ooooh..lashing out..bwa hahahahahaha yeah I'm gettin' your mentality..but then you are the clown with 6th grade insults..so there's that...anything informative to say? or are you just going to be butt hurt about cosplaying harley riders being called out for being that...I'm willing to bet your chaps are assless for more than one reason...are you winning yet?

theyre both shit because of hellcats and demons

@@sylthaya7571 hellcats are shit LMFAO

Sylthaya hellcats will still get smoked. Especially if you supercharge. With a stock Challenger you gotta rebuild the bottom end however a stang is different.

@@TheJMan1K to be honest the Chevy Ford and Dodge build bottom ends that with sustain over a 1000 rear tire horsepower long proven by Kenny Bell of the only all billet aluminum water cooled Bolt on superchargers as his opening page on his website ask you to join the Ken bell 1000 horsepower club as pictured with a camaro, mustang and challenger... But I am assuming as there is a untold problem with the supercharger Dodge is using on the hellcats as something to do with seals and bearings that discetagrate into fine particals of metal that go circulating through out the engines carried in the oil.. NOT GOOD to say the least as one guy reported Dodge voided his warranty after finding a violation not related as they were looking for any accuse to keep from have to give the guy a new hellcat supercharged engine at what price $$$$$??? A Ford supercharged cobra jet engine can cost as much as $50k and a CoPo small block Chevy can cost as much as $40k+ that proves it's only as good as the dealer ...as the way the ford dohc 32v ,the all aluminum Chevy small block with the the LS Nascar heads and now Dodge with a supercharger of all three pony car engines today are no tolerance for one spec of any foreign or internal part of anything breaking lose and floating around inside the engines making any scratches on anything as you will not have anything left over to rebuild except maybe a Cam cover

Jun 28, 2019 · ... sixth- generation Chevrolet Camaro will, in fact, be discontinued at the end of the 2022 calendar year.

Waste of a great line of bikes. Its criminal to shite can the Vic.

But they have been offered $ for the rights to the Victory name. They not selling for more than one reason. I believe down the road Victory will be back.

@ピーチャン No more then any other bike company line up Honda Suzuki..so on

Polaris dumped Victory because they brought a product to a brand fight. Doesn’t matter how good the product is when many bikers want to buy a lifestyle. HD offers that plug n play ideal. So they warmed over the Octane into a Scout and their cruiser into a Chieftain. They’ve been masterful with marketing. I want a Springfield badly. No point keeping Victory around when it’s taking money from the Indian line... and double the parts and development costs? This is exactly why Mopar won’t bring the Cuda back as a regular production car and GM won’t bring back the Trans Am. It’ll compete with their existing lineups.

K ris ....you are spot on Kris. I have a friend that’s a bigwig at Ducati and he says the folks at Polaris are a lot smarter than we think and dumped Victory for a reason

John here love my VTX 1800-C HONDA 2006

I love and respect them all too...old nighthalks, suzuki GS', cbx's, little honda rebels, harley fxr's... I have no hate for any of them. I'm kind of the same with cars....

There's a difference between realizing there's no profit in something and hating it. Why, I'll wager that almost 100% of people that own and enjoy Indians don't do it for profit.

@@anfman1986 He went on a hate Indian tear because he got jerked around by ONE dealer. That's why he caught so much flack about it. Nothing to do with the bike, company, etc. Just ONE dealer... and all dealers are independent so it's not like Indian Motorcycle Company was the issue. There's just as much profit in it as anything else, he just got screwed on one bike and went on a rant about how he'll never buy Indians again. And just so it sinks in, it was because of ONE dealership, that's it.

Same, I ride an XR1200, and I would love a side by side comparison.

Its not that I "hate" Indians. I hate the Computer Design's that make them up. It simply looks like shite!

Hello McEconomist! "We should all hope ANOTHER AMERICAN COMPANY COMES OUT." Oh you mean like VICTORY!!! YEAH BUDDY!!! IDIOT!!!

Do you actually own a CVO? I see that in your profile picture

@@sushi_edits225 Yes, and a Revival Edition Electra Glide, #1372

How does a ftr 1200 compare to a sportster? They’re not the same still of bike.

@@WoodyRides He said "sportier".

Will Alford oh? Well what is a sportier?

@@WoodyRides Sportier is an adjective. Example "The sportier crowd. This bike is Sportier than that one. I would like a bike that is just a bit sportier." In reference to motorcycles it often entails shorter wheelbases and higher riding suspensions (as this allows the bike to make tighter turns) as well as higher revving engines with more horsepower.

Will Alford sounds cool

I Agree. I would Love to get my hands on a Buell 1125R...

Uh huh... that's why HD lobbied the hell out of the government in the 1940's to be the exclusive military contractor. Knowing that would put Indian out of business? With friends like that, you dont need enemies.

@Wayne Gordon In the history books. One anecdote tells that Arthur Davidson and Mr. Hendee traded cattle since both were amateur farmers.

@@LARGO125 That I never read about or heard. I do know that H-D lobbied the govt for tariff protection against cheap British import bikes after WWII but was denied.

Why keep victory when it had lost millions of dollars per year for 18 years straight. It just wasn't worth draining resources away from profitable marks to keep a line of bikes which people weren't buying?

Because reviving a brand that has as much history as the competition and making the same bikes, but better for less, is easier to make profits and steal a portion of the market than it would be to compete against Harley with a relatively new brand with slightly similar motorcycles.

tyler beyl Polaris only owned one production line. In 2014 they used that line to build bikes that had zero issues because the skill levels were all in place to build Indian. Only an idiot would have attempted to start with all new unskilled people. That group built the new Indian and flat killed it, those bikes were perfect from day one, I know because I own one. From day one, Indian has technology wise been 5 to 7 years ahead of Harley. I don't see that changing, without new ownership HD could be gone very soon, HD is a has been bike now with poor workmanship and little future.

still think so? and why?

i had a scout 60 gave it away, could not in clear conscience sell it. 4 gear whinned real loud the suspension was almost non existent, battery lasted 8 months nothing was under warranty! The dealer in Kingman where i live went out of business last year, i know why

can i test it? just to try it out?

How much did it cost for the stage 2 kit ???

G&A_OnTheRoad Truck’n , love my Lloydz 109” Victory Vegas 122hp/145 tq.

yeah the cherry picked scriptures..I've got more than a handful you wouldn't like..you know like commands to kill women..children including babies..so sweet so nice so loving so..well I'm not sure what..hey wanna buy a slave?

M.w. Adams I am comfortable in my faith and no I don’t want to own a slave . I am sorry you were but hurt by my faith . Have a nice day!

Michael Wills best response my friend 🙌🏽

Not true. 2017 the last year for the Raider (s) it was $15800.00 the Dyna lowrider s was $17400.00. Thats hardly a fraction of the price. Keep it real man.

@@draganm7823 I do not ride large displacement bikes. Until recently Harley's smallest bikes were 883. Compared to my 2014 750 shadow, used, 3000 km $4500 cdn, no comparison. That is keeping It real, man! Some of us cant afford the insurance on expensive large displacement bikes.

@@draganm7823 That's still $1,600...dump $1,600 into the Harley and it'll still badly lose a drag race to the stock Raider. Also, reliability. 1 in 4 Harleys have to visit the dealer for a repair other than routine maintenance in the first 3 years over ownership. Yamaha? 1 in 10....freakin' no brainer on that comparo.

@@jamessmith5970 thank you, that dragan fellow has more dollars than sense. I met HD loyal people who hate metric bikes, and perceive a hd breakdown as a great way to meet very nice people who may come to the rescue! I had a breakdown once on a 1980 yam 250 exciter, an internal engine fail. it turns out, nice people will rescue metric bike riders as well! I prefer to not be at the mercy of strangers, or to take kindness/generosity for granted.

PhilHewkin You are a fan of slavery... bikes made in places with little to no protections or salary for employees cost less. Governments that encourage companies to harvest natural resources or manufacture in third world nations support slavery, and customers who buy those products encourage slavery. You said “metric” but I’m betting you aren’t buying the expensive BMWs or Ducatis.... Persons living in the west shopping for the great deals on third world products all need to come to terms with this and stop supporting companies like Nike, Kawasaki, and Nestle. Slavery is bad, and still happens today.

Well considering Harley quality is foen and their price's are absolutely outrageous i believe you've been proven right

100% agree, although it is fun buying aftermarket parts and wrenching on bikes

Absolutely correct “It’s stupid fast” naw it’s not and never will be but they are fun to ride

Also for what it’s worth I like this model of Indian . I’ve had a few different bikes including a Harley but if I get another bike it’ll probably be an Indian or a Harley. 😎

Most of those dudes that brag on harleys being the best have been riding 10 years or less. Others like myself have 20 or more years in the saddle. Myself 50+ years. Every bike has it's time and place. I'll ride them all. Eventually they all need to be worked on. Some brands are better than others. No need to talk shit....just ride.

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XboobtubeX I have a Harley and have ridden both the Scout and the Bobber. I will be getting the Scout soon. I liked the Indian, it’s very different than the Harley...Does that make it better? No, just different. However, that being said: I think the Indian is all that. Bottom line: I love them both, equally.

No doubt !!

@Donald Trump Herr Trumplestilskin riding it like he stole it!😂👍🏻

I think he rides whatever he wants until its sold haha

I tried a Wing, but do not like not having floor boards. The Indian has huge floor boards, and mine also has the mustache bars, so I can always find a comfortable positions on long touring rides. The boxer style motor on the wing prevents forward controls and no place for "long" floor boards, or even decent road pegs. I'm used to forward controls and will stick with that. It's whatever you're used to.

John Ayres definitely ride what you love! I can’t say anything bad about any of them. I’m just infinitely more happy on the wing. I did many 600 mile days on my 2008 and did 200 on the new one today.

Indian tops Harley in a lot of aspects, but comfort and suspension feedback Harley takes it.

@Donald Trump same experience here. Got the wife a 2018 POS scout. Got rid of it in less than a year because of the issues and the crappy dealer. And to no surprise the dealer has since gone under.

I hate on Harley because Harley riders hate on me. Just a vicious cycle.

Then you need to use the same rule set for Harley, Triumph and Royal Enfield.

@@bonnevillebagger9147 why would you say that? Indian died years ago. Let's say the Chevy makes a Camaro in 2029. If Mitsubishi buys Pontiac and produces a Trans am, would they be able to market it as a 50th anniversary? It was a good marketing trick, and now they're trying to resemble Harleys SMH. Talk about brand enthusiasts, most Indian motorcycle owners would probably be some of the worst.

Sully he reviews used bikes at his store mostly. I doubt he’s worried about what Indian thinks. Although Indian does have a lot of good will from us on the internets. I own one, fine machines.

@@cembanditx1 Huh!? If you have been following his videos since the Indian odometer incident the comment would have made sense to you, he does care. Polaris does make a good motorcycle

Clickbait title are to get people to see it and want to watch it. They are more for none subscribers.

@WoodyOn2Wheels Most of us guys are not here because we're gay for Sean/Shawn. I don't watch every single video , its all about the subject matter click bait title.

Blocked User that is kinda how you grow a channel

@WoodyOn2Wheels I know I get it. It was a joke xD hahaha ... the weathers great , try not to crash into anything

Blocked User no it wasn’t and why would you say try not to crash?

That's not just some schmuck's opinion either. That list comes from a Consumer Reports study conducted over several years with thousands of data points. HD is working hard to shake that reputation that still haunts them from the AMF era.

Probably depends on the dealership, I bought a used Indian scout at a harely dealership. Super chill staff

they sure made some plug uglies.

Spacecoastz I own a 16’ Vegas with some work done to it, think power to weight ratio it would be close.

I own a Victory Boardwalk, my second victory motorcycle. I'll tell you that the Indian will lose badly in a race next to the Vic.

depends on where you measure.

John Lombardi Ph.D. Indian had 119 torque stock before stage 2.

@@ultrahighgain412 lmao maybe at the flywheel under laboratory conditions on a pampered engine running high-octane fuel without a drop of ethanol.

Papa Jefe plenty of documentation out there, but you go ahead and believe whatever makes you happy.

Yeah, more like 87.29 HP and 114.97 ft-lbs on the dyno: university.fuelmotousa.com/wp-content/uploads/indian_chieftain_111_stg2cams.jpg That is about the best you can get with a proper tune. As you can see from the 0-60 runs, that is more than enough power. Pretty good considering the weight, no?

Same, Indian is impressive.

That's because HD is #1. When you ride a Harley you don't need to bash other brands. Ride what you like is what I say. Love my 09 Night Train.

PatrolDog yeah I own a DH and he’s way off and doesn’t know what a stage 2 is vs stage 3 lol with Lloyd’s cams, intake, full exhaust you can get 100 to 105 HP but the freedom exhaust actually cost you HP which is why most go X-pipe

Richard De Nieuwe Yes the exhaust does cost about 4hp and 7tq which I can live without for the sound the exhaust provides. Most people will never feel that low amount of power anyways.

I agree, stage 2 with Indian Reflash will NOT make 100hp, they have dyno'd around 80-85hp avg. I also have the Lloydz 558 cams with Dyno Jet canned tune and had it dyno'd at 100hp and 120 tq as well.

Scout Bobber has 100 hp from the factory look it up

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Unix Nerd myths? of oil leaking Harley’s. Myth?

@@2bad1 What is your question exactly? Did you read the rest of the comment? It explains why it's a myth. Modern Harleys don't leak oil.

The one in my shop does