Pioneer DJ.. as said by many it’s name is industry known. Changing and moving away causes many questions to arise and I like the Pioneer DJ’s logo, the name, their products.. you see it at many places, it should try its best to stick as that as much as it can and not move away. Appreciate ur content to DJ Carlo.. many thanks from DJ Camstroid. ⭐️
I still dont really understand why u would need 2 DJ Gear Brands under one wing? I mean they seem to have the same target Group, pricing and so on? So why not put it together under one name? This way its just confusing for the Customers. Or am i missing something ?
@djcarlo you think this is better than a Denon DJ Prime Go? I mean, the battery may not last as long and the jogs are smaller, and it doesn't have that integration with the wireless speakers or Bluetooth. Is all that worth $500 more?
It's a standalone unit. No need for a laptop, and that saves you a lot of money! And you can even use it with Rekordbox DJ or Serato DJ. And it's battery powered too!
A laptop with touchscreen + DDJ-400/FLX4 + battery bank (running rekordbox dj in performance mode on a laptop is very battery consuming), in total and you are looking at about the same price.
Pioneer DJ have long standing traditions they have to maintain in order to not alienate their longstanding customer Base Alpha Theta DJ allows them to cater to a slightly different demographic with the same technologies just different looks and slightly different core design to the tried and true Pioneer DJ approach which will surely continue to satisfy customers for decades. It’s actually genius tbh.
That's actually a good way of looking at it, seems to be going for the 'Apple' of the DJ equipment world with the Opus branding. As long as they don't phase out Pioneer entirely...
literally anything that’s an all-in-one device will always have a bunch of compromises or sacrifices never trust anything or anyone that says they “have it all”
Most of the compromises are fine, cause it will be also cheaper and in this case way more compact and lighter. But nowadays there are some essentials, that are just a must have and they could easily implement. Like Effects parameter here, it's only digital and one more knob. also the memory cue button (like the ddj 400 have). And why the hell Tracks aren't marked as already played! :D
Right?! So many haters, and I guarantee you, 98% of them haven't tried it out for themselves. The look be somewhat jarring on video, but feeling it in real life is a completely different deal! And using it? MAN!
@@derdunzenI think the odd mixer layout killed it for me. I could forgive teeny jog wheels if the unit has excellent i/o s and nice pots and faders, but sideways mixer, not.
Denon and Numark are ahead numark especially selling for half price, so Ominous is a rip off selling same price as flagship pro decks considering 99.9% of DJs will only need this as backup, practice or making playlist. So its actually not required as main deck for serious djing events. Got my mixstream pro brand new sealed from a guy for £300. Best deal ever!
@@tonykellydjt2805 says who? Inmusic is same parent company that owns Rane, Denon DJ, Numark, Akai pro and many others that people don't know. It's like Alphatheta and Pioneer DJ. Numark has been in the game for ages and has has stood the test of time. Numark was the 1st to produce a flagship comtroller NS7III with moving platters and onboard screen. Something you can't still find in todays market. If that controller was standalone, many would probably rate it the best controller of all time!
DDJ800 user here. I haven't found where upgrading to anything is groundbreakingly worthwhile, yet. But I am always happy to come to Dj Carlo for the latest and greatest out there!
That Euphonia is B-E-A-utiful! It's not meant for scratch DJs (unless you wanna challenge yourself), but ill have to say, the design itself is screaming class!
I don't like, is very basic looks like a toy, with that money you can buy a decent all in one laptop, an ipad stand and a DDJ-FLX4 or impulse 500 and you can also connect multiple midi controllers if you need it and use the laptop for multiple propuse, at the end is just a controller with a screen.
a abstract overview a bit. superficial without target for real purpose . it does not capture in what mode if you connect a macbook for preparation, what functions and what specifics. etc.
The Pioneer is nice for sure but the Denon Prime Go is still a better value for money. Consistent software updates with huge features, smaller and more portable, touchscreen DMX lighting control to name a few. Cons for me are the small jog wheels but not a deal breaker. Competition is good though and I'm sure the Prime Go 2.0 will rival the Omnis Duo even more.
Thanks for giving us that history lesson. I finally understand that it's not the end of pioneer dj. I was going to settle for the hercules impulse 500. Then I got a good deal for a pioneer dj DDJ rev 1. So far I'm enjoying it. Just learning more scratching tips . Also works amazing with Djay pro although I still use serato dj pro .
Hey there, glad to hear you found the history lesson helpful! Yeah, Pioneer DJ isn't going anywhere anytime soon, which is definitely reassuring. Sounds like you lucked out with that deal on the Pioneer DDJ Rev 1! It's always exciting to upgrade, especially when you're getting a good bargain. And diving into scratching tips sounds like a fun learning curve. It's cool that it works smoothly with both Djay Pro and Serato DJ Pro - versatility is always a plus when it comes to gear. Enjoy your DJing adventures with your new setup!
the only thing i hear people complaining about this device is the price.... In that case this is a great controller ! i have no complaints other than that. you want the honda or Benz
I was torn between picking up the XDJ Rx3 or the Omnis Duo this week. I ultimately chose the RX3 because it matched my current workflow. Part of me has gear FOMO but I’m more than certain down the line having a battery standalone is the move for all mobile djs who are looking to lighten their gear bag. I hope there could be more of a “pro” version under the Pioneer DJ brand but at this point, we are just paying for the name. It’s all the same team anyway. No doubt though that the Omnis Duo is at the front of the pack with portability and usability (when streaming capabilities are loaded in)
Well, from my point of view I think AlphaTheta is more aimed to the Non-Professional home users, those that like DJing and my do it at some parties with friends but don't ultimately do it for profit. That would explain why everything is so stylish and easy-to-use. And PioneerDJ is more oriented to that pro market they always had.
Pretty good and informative video I don't think you're pioneer DJ is dead. The "ecosystem" is good and the products are pretty good quality. I'm getting the flx4 and I think I will be with the controller for a couple of years. For its features. And I like the Opmus-Duo. Is super cool
Pioneer DJ is very much alive and the Alpha Theta branding allows them more wiggle room when it comes to creating DJ gear that isn't exactly Pioneer DJ-esque! The FLX4 is great! Glad you're gonna get it!
You never know! This could just be the start. The new Wave speakers were pretty nice already, so imagine sprucing up the sound with that kind of wireless, waterproof technology? Dang! 🤩
Biggest issue i have with pioneer most of the time is the reluctance to improve on the basics. FLAC support took ages and they STILL sell a player that doesnt have it. The whole device library plus thing is a hot mess and i dont even see it actually implementing any useful additions to the library format (guess it is mostly to piss of Denon, so they once again have a harder time making their gear read the rekordbox library).
As a long time Rane MP2015 user, I was always wondering if/when somebody would create a new age version of that wonderful device and the Alpha Theta 'seems' to be that device. I haven't seen one in the flesh yet, but it makes me smile to know that somebody thought about us rotary heads that want a new age digital mixer with top quality sound... Having said all that, I still LOVE my MP2015 and will rock with it until the wheels come off.. LOLOL
What I wished that Pioneer DJ would have already out is not an all-in-one, but a two-in-one. With butons and a screen like the RX3. So you could connect two to a Euphonia or something :)
The Omnis Duo is nice, no doubt. But also, like my DJ-SM7 mixer, no typical Pioneer layout (knobs style and cue preview button ahead of each channel's volume fader). The wireless loudspeaker because of the latency-free radio is truly a game changer, you can use it also as subwoofer which currently offers no other loudspeaker. But however, as "DJ Talk" (German) already pointed out, this thing doesn't have a mid frequency speaker and they said, that you can hear the missing mid's. This is the only downside currently why I wouldn't buy the speaker.
All I want is a budget controller with both standalone/ wireless/ online music features also works with rekordbox and has a usb slot with tons of plugins for the back
@@djcarlo so I made up my mind my current budget is $300-$800 I want to keep using djay pro for ios(iPad) but stuck between ddjflx400 & 600, is there another option to look at that has more features such as XLR connections, usb C, headphone jack, and also with that red/white connection port?
Do you think that they omitted the FX controls to avoid cannibalization of their other (Pioneer/AT) products? This is a very odd choice to say the least. Otherwise, Im happy AT finally got their technology up to par with their competition.
DJ Carlo that's the thing if you already have a iPad in a tablet and you already have a kit don't you basically already have a standard DJ controller I mean a standalone DJ controller I mean all you need is a device in the software and portability I mean you could literally just build your own DJ casing box and just put wires in the box and just have the plugins and then you can slide the tablet into your homemade wooden stand in your homemade portable standalone DJ box with a with a 30 to 24 hour battery support backup in case something happens this is where I was thinking that's why I was asking you in your new video about that question that I I'm asking
Great, so after 6 years when the battery stops working, I can just buy another £2000 2 channel dj system which will be a giant touchscreen and only capable of streaming from a subscription service, but it will have AI to do incorrect mixes for me, and still display bpm to the nearest 1 decimal place. Cannot wait for the future
I'm hoping that'll never be the case! But at this rate, AI can't replicate the human experience in club mixing unless you attach cameras to it, and even then that's a far cry
The design is nice. Like an Apple minimalist vibe. Also looks like it’s just for vibey DJing. Maybe house, chill music, throwbacks, etc. Not really new hyper type of DJing with all the effects and transitions. I’d buy it to mess around if it was in the $1k range.
Then why the name change? According to them, alphatheta is another line, but why? It’s just unnecessary confusion IMHO. Just release ALL products under PioneerDJ and if anything, introduce a new line of products called alphatheta”whatever”. Still makes no sense
Honestly, I'm still a little lost on that part, but we'll have to watch and see! My takeaway here is that Pioneer DJ itself isn't dead, which is what I really wanted to talk about
I would love the first table/control. Give me yours, no seriously put yours in the bag! This is a stick up! Keep looking straight or you're going to get it!
jesus christ i've been out of the controller game for a decade or so and prices have absolutely skyrocketed!! gonna be keeping onto my old traktor controller a bit longer and start digging into the used market for a newer one..
The opus quad is cute but I consider it and the omnis duo a step backwards. The change to beat jump and looping and removal of other pad functions excludes most djs with talent past just beat matching and phrasing. And I despise all the effects being clustered into the screen. It's too much fiddling with the software when I'm trying to use the hardware.
It's all about the essentials when it comes to this. The target audience for this controller isn't us who like to abuse and use all the features. It's for the classic DJs who like to mix!
Rubberised coating? Have they not learned from the mid 2000s by the fact that EVERYTHING rubberised basically melts and gets disgusting to touch over time?
can’t judge that from a distance really, but Alpha Theta it just doesn’t look like professional dj gear. ...It looks like a ddj-flx4 with built in monitor, for the price of pro dj equipment.
Hahaha, nah fam. Review of the Omnis Duo, and a little bit of a background on Alpha Theta. A lot of people don't know ANYTHING about them, and if you scroll through the comments, a lot of people think AT is ruining Pioneer DJ, when they're just the same company lol
Pioneer fanboys are to blame. Those who supported subscription based models, paid ridiculous amounts for gear years behind Denon's, and the list goes on...
Lots of strange ins and outs of the whole thing, but if it invites more competition, I've got my popcorn and I'll be watching what happens in the industry
I cant decide… Opus Quad or Prime 4+… Pioneer is the Club standard and Denon has more functions… in my country it’s „just“ 800€ difference between those 2.
@@djcarlo it’s difficult. I want to use it for weddings but also want to have to option to maybe play at a club in the Future. I have a little bit of fear that Denons Software and build quality will disappoint me.
Hi @djcarlo one question in your opinion if i want to play with my ddj-flx4 in a small party, do i need to use an audio interface or not? what do you think? thanks
Ok so like I'm never gonna buy it or anything cause it's way too expensive but i do like the standalone mixed with wireless recording, a setup like this could make life sampling from gear like a groovebox or modular synth output to Bluetooth a nicer process which is good
That was at least 15 grand on that table that flipped over crazy u spend years to get a set up like that and like a drop of a dime turn if the table it's gone lol
What's going on with AphaTheta's acquisition of Serato? They made an announced last July, but it's been radio silent since then. I wonder how that will impact future licensing with controllers from the likes of other competitors like Rane, Numark, Denon, etc
@@djcarlo what do you mean when you say, "it's still going on?" I was under the impression both AlphaTheta and Serato agreed upon the acquisition of all Serato shares during the official announcement last July. Also what's your opinion (once the dust settles) about the competitions gear whom support Serato DJ? You think they'll go the route of Denon and make a completely stand alone software for their controllers or pay AlphaTheta to continue using Serato in the current and future gear?
Got nothing much on the future there, so im just gonna wait and see! But it's still going on because the sale hasn't been finalized by the government of New Zealand yet. Multinational takeovers involve world governments 😆
@@djcarlo I don't man something seems "off" about this whole AlphaTheta/Serato acquisition. Here's my opinion on the whole situation. I believe the deal might be dead due to NZ Commerce Act. (Which in the US is equivalent to The Antitrust Laws.) Paraphrasing, but basically these laws prohibit anticompetitive conduct and mergers that deprive consumers, taxpayers, and workers of the benefits of competition. Allowing Pioneer DJ to acquire Serato would cause a monopoly. Just my two pennies.
@@djkurve That may be it actually! I only know as much as you do (maybe the most "inside" info I got was that it's still going on), but it's possible. I've seen many airlines fail to merge because of the same acts/laws, so you may be on to something. Again, once an actual deal has been sealed, I'm gonna try to report on it asap. But for now, we'll all just kind of have to wait and see. Good research though!
Alpha Theta is like the Apple products of the DJ world. You get minimalist design, limited functionality for premium pricing. This is just a social experiment by the company to see how much money people are willing to spend for long overdue features like streaming media that are offered by Denon at 1/3 of the cost.
I do not see the need for a battery-powered all-in-one unit. The speakers are also a complete rip-off. For 899 for one speaker I will always go and buy something from QSC and have something with a lot more power and soundquality.
Fair assessment! It's not for everyone, though ill need to mention that these are the only set of wireless speakers I can actually scratch and DJ eith all the time
Hey DJ Carlo, great review. The show stopper for me for not buying the Opus Quad was the lack of Slip Mode - what are your thoughts on it not having Slip Mode?
@Hp4Z I’m not sure if your question is intended to genuinely ask me to list reasons why someone would want the Opus Quad to perform with more techniques allowed by slip mode? Or are you implying that it would not be ideal to use the Opus Quad in that way?
@Hp4Zdifferent genres of house - tech, tribal and more, but that’s irrelevant really! I don’t use the Opus, in clubs I’m using CDJ3000’s. If you’ve not got your head around everything you can do with Slip Mode, give it a try, effects really make your set unique if you know what you’re doing 😊 good luck with it 👍
I've been using Pioneer since 2000's. From DJM600 to NXS2 when it comes to mixers. Seeing how they are raising prices with every new model, I don't think I'll ever buy another thing from them. Hey, we have a new CD player. It's 500€ more. Hey, we have a new mixer, it's 500€ more. Hey. I don't care anymore. Go rip off influencers and Twitch dolls, im done here. EDIT: Maaaaaybe.. The new turntable is still worth mentioning and actualy pretty good. Other than that, hard no.
The new turntable is actually pretty amazing. The fact that it can take both vinyl AND programs like Rekordbox is still what sets it apart as no one else has done the same thing to my knowledge.
I think nearly all of them are compatible! Of course, they're going to create the environment from Rekordbox, but from what I recall, VDJ makes sure their stuff is compatible with many Pioneer controllers
Hi Can you please ask pioneer why they are selling controllers with stems/track separation when they are not functional enough to use, especially when several competitors have great tech on this. I bought an flx10 (in aud it was 3200.00) and switched from serato to rekordbox and those features are quite literally unusable in rb. There is no news on updates or why this is the case. my fear is that the failure to acquire serato is the reason for the lag. This would indicate that pioneer don't own that tech and may not be able to implement it without a hostile takeover of serato (which just failed again in the NZ courts.). This could mean the fix will take months more or even years if they can't rip it from someone else. I essentially bought an expensive controller based on non existent tech. Track separation literally does not work and mix point link is the most infuriatingly useless waste of buttons, the mix point link buttons (can you remap them?) are a waste of space on an otherwise ok product. I am however glad I got really good at equing lol, so not all bad. dtill its another example of tech companies rolling out barely functional products instead of just improving existing ones, I would have just bought a rane 4 if I knew pioneer/alpatheta were being dishonest.
@@RobertPoff-qt2sw the reason is that I needed to prepare myself for club gear. Also seráto has its own bugs and drawbacks. Also I was preempting seráto being obseleted of the acquisition went through. Pioneer support is a three day email turnaround for a single question. I was afraid that they would just start to junk seráto over time in favor of newer AT products. I suppose my point is that there is a lot of grey area and the product should be sold in working order or at least with a time frame for remedying it. Their marketing strategy feels a lot like throwing spaghetti at the wall and seeing what sticks. Also does anyone know if I can colour code columns in rb?
Most standalones have them on the back, so there isn't much of anything new there! Just keep unsmart people away from your controller (just like at any other party where a controller is involved haha)
@@djcarlo my only issues would be relaying on it lasting 5 hours as stated. So far anything with estimated times in my rechargeable electronics has always been less than what it’s supposed to be. Nevertheless this is genius, specially how you can take a song via Bluetooth and add it to your playlist. Or pretty much anything is just amazing.
I could never get a controller like the omnius duo for $1,500.. but I NEED something that has a similar feature with the Bluetooth phone integration. I just want to mix tracks off of Spotify lol
Pretty cool set of features on this unit, but wonder how it would hold up over time and over gigs as I sure am sour on cheap DJ units at this point, anything under 1000 seems to be built out of junk hardware. Being that this looks like a sub 1000 unit with a screen and battery added to bring it to the 1500 price point, makes me wonder if its just going to have problems after you put some decent hours on the unit
Hey DJ Carlo! May I ask, what dj controller would you recommend for someone that is at step 1 in "dj'ing"? I have a friend thats a newb too that bought an Rx3 standalone, but that's way to much for me. Mainly cause I don't know jack squat about mixing and cant justify spending that much for a starter controller. However, having a friend get into it, made me want to too. Anything you'd recommend in the range of $500 to $700?
@DJCarlo I didn't hear you say anything about the wave eight speakers and how it was to DJ on them using bluetooth. Is their new low latency wireless mode as responsive as a wired connection? Is there still any lag and just how useable is it for mixing?
Pretty sure its custom connection, even though it pairs via Bluetooth. Just like apple's Airdrop is actually sending via wifi, but searching for other devices using bluetooth. Bluetooth itself is impossible to have zero latency. But somehow airpods pro can have bearable latency with games on iPhones, meanwhile other bluetooth headset sucks so much on games. It must have custom communication somewhere ... Oh and airpods pro suck on gaming when connected to android, in case you wonder.
