Hi all, just a brief correction: The on screen stats for Antony and Ryan Gravenberch are for the Eredivisie only, not all comps. Antony 21/22 Stats (Eredivisie & Champions League): 28 (2) Games Played 10 Goals 9 Assists Ryan Gravenberch 21/22 Stats (Eredivisie & Champions League): 34 (4) Games Played 2 Goals 6 Assists Source: FBRef
If in fact this analysis is valid then it should be music to United's fans ears. IF he is not married to a specifics but has an identity, that's a good thing. One gets concerned if Ten Hag comes to United to play a system like City or Liverpool because they are miles ahead and it is not easy to out master the masters. Having the flexibility try and do something different AND be successful is the right approach in my opinion. Great Managers work with what they have and find ways to play and maximize skills. Great Managers don't relentlessly try to shoehorn or force a specific style on the players they have at their disposal when they take over. Let's see what happens at United under Ten Hag's first year. United for all their deficiencies and faults still posses some extremely talented players available for the new Manager. The cupboard is far from bare
schone's importance in that 2019 ajax team went overlooked. Frenkie, donny, de ligt, ziyech, and tadic all gained tons of international reputation but schone was just as, if not more important to the flow of the midfield and how they linked with the attackers
Nobody in Amsterdam overlooked Schöne, and I am sure internationally they also saw his performances in the CL. It's just that it was the autumn of his career and he wasn't looking for big moves. He was looking to retire.
This is one of the reasons I’m excited to see him at United. He’s got certain principles that he likes, but he doesn’t have 1 set system or style that requires 11 specific players. He needs players that can do certain things, but he’s also going to build a system that works for what he has.
@clint mannion haha long may it last. Utd fans now coming to terms with humility. Their team is a mess. Ten Hag has a lot of surgery to perform. It will take them at least 3 yrs and that's if he's afforded that time. We have a much more exciting project at Arsenal. Arteta just needed the time to clean up the mess left behind from Wenger's later yrs and Emery overpaying for players. Now we're buying good players at reasonable prices that have a much higher ceiling. People say we overspent for White at 50m but we didn't get a fridge like Maguire at 80m haha
Bruh he only has one system that is the barca way of football aka possessional football.If u don't have a set system u can never succeed.Every successful team has one set system and principle
really tho? he set out a premise at the start of the video that "no one knows how ten hag will have utd playing" then a throws some pizza charts up with an in depth analysis that amounts to "different players are different", then forgets about man utd or how any of this might apply to them, claims pep is the one true god and ends the video.. It's garbage.
Wow thank you for pointing out that piece about Van Der Beeks positioning. Thought I was going crazy seeing Man U and Everton playing him so far back when I vividly remember his best work during that champions league run he was damn near a striker for Ajax at times
That's obvious. Van Gaal was known for tiki taka possession. But at Man United it was "Give the ball to Fellaini" Managers adapt. People remember Ferguson for attack attack attack. I remember playing 7 in defence and hitting teams on the break as well.
Fergie knew how to win games and wasn’t afraid to play how he saw he would win All this philosophy bollock you hear if you don’t win the game it means nothing Probably why fergie managed to change with football and keep winning
I'm a Utd fan. Have massive respect for Ajax. Buuut TenHag will only be successful with a great recruitment team n is backed hugely by our incompetent board. Absolutely top class manager moving to an -A star club with F standard owners. Owners have ruined us
@@brianlawlor4221 yeah agreed, it's gonna be a 50/50 if he's still in charge over a year. And as an Ajax fan I'm not too sad to see him leave. Man did an awesome job and is a great tactician and super professional, but the situation at Ajax was ideal for him. Especially when dickpic sender Overmars was still around as DoF, the fact that he basically could pick the players he wanted was massive. I would say his in game management is his weakest trait, he never subs his favorite players no matter how bad they play on the night, and if plan A doesn't work, there never really was a plan B.
It always is funny to me to hear people say how Van de Beek should be playing as a controlling midfielder. That he should play instead of Fred. While when I was watching him at Ajax he was basically all the time in the opponents box. Super offensive player.
Antony in all comps had 32 games, 12 goals and 10 assists. The ones you are showing is just his Eredivisie record. Source: Transfermarkt. Also Schone did not transfer to a Dutch team. He went to Italy and afterwards returned to the Netherlands. Good job bringing up Utrecht. Have watched a lot of channels saying Ten Hag always plays 4 2 3 1 and always attacking possession football. Which indeed is simply not true. Not sure if he will low block with Man Utd though as the gulf between Utrecht and the top teams is larger then any gulf between Man Utd and another top team. At least on paper.
Seeing how Tottenham played against Liverpool and City this season, I expect Ten Hag to do similar against them, at least in the beginning when Liverpool and United are clearly a level above.
Perhaps it was karma for the dispicable display in the 2010 World cup final! ;) A few dreadful seasons were the penance for Van Bommel's kung fu kick on Inesta!
8:51 no, the first team played in 4-2-3-1 with the triangle on the midfield consisting of two DM/CMs en one AM; whereas in 2021 with Alvarez there was one dedicated DM, with two CM/AMs. So the order of midfield was shifted, more like 4-1-2-3. Also with Tadic on the left wing and Antony on the right, Gravenberch and Mazraoui would cover the halfspaces left and right in attacking possession.
@@super_organist Liverpool plays 4-3-3 with the midfielders sitting back and the backs attacking I think. TTA and Robertson move up. Fabinho sits back. Henderson, Thiago, Jones, Keita link up play; or provide overlapping options on the flanks. Liverpool mostly plays the space and transition, they can attack from possession but they're always on the move with Virgil-Konaté-Fabinho maintaining defensive restraint. I guess in attacking that sometimes means 3-3-4 with one of the backs becoming a winger/striker, depending on the situation. But yes having 3 defenders back (2 CBs + DM/FB) is common. What I think is fascinating is how Liverpool uses overlapping backs; whereas Man City maintains wingers with backs moving into central midfield/flank halfspaces. How they duel each other on such a high level is super interesting and entertaining Ten Hag maintains the 3+1 rule. In varying forms, 4 players keep defensive order (FB, CB, CB, DM; or CB, CB, DM, DM, etc.). When the ball is lost, the 6 attacking players also need to win the ball back asap, to provide the back 4 with breathing space and to prevent the counterattack
I love this videos and the simplified data presented. I hope u guys out out more videos like this, they really interesting and fascinating to get a insight of how managers and players play
I think its going to be a slow transition for man utd and things will slow down before they get better like at liverpool with klopp it was gradual not an instant change to the side they are now.
Very excited to see how ETH gets on. He's definitely has a thing or two up his sleeve. However, he will need time and has to be fully supported by the board, never doubted.
Really good analysis. Nobody went back from his Ajax days. Someone told me earlier also, initially you will probably get Utrecht ETH rather than the Ajax one. And he is not married to certain formation and all. This video makes it more clear.
@@CalvinC-eq4be Just that he is not married to a formation. It's not 4-3-3 or 4-2-3-1 he has played. In Utrecht he has played lot of formation including 3-5-2. So he adapts according to the players he have. Formation will change but the system will be the same.
Really waiting to watch fred playing in his system, with fred's impressive work rate let's see if 10hang will able to convert that into some meaning full game play.
does the tactic board app has a "group / team" move function? if so, it will be easier to demonstrate transition or defensive block movements, instead of moving individual players.
Absolutely love the comparison of tactics deployed against the top half of the table vs the bottom half. This was on my mind at the start of the video as my concern was that the quality of this current United side don’t have the quality to maintain possession against the high press that most of the top half of the table (and FDJ alone won’t fix that). Reassuring to see some tactical versatility that I was otherwise unaware of. Ole was pragmatic and would set up for the counter but there was a void of tactical depth beyond this
When Blind played left-back this season, he often played along the sideline and were overlapping Tadic instead of being in the centre position. That’s the area Gravenbergh occupied.
i feel as we are up to see a more high pressing direct play style. as in PL most teams go for the win, rarely teams will defend in low blocks, which is in turn a positive for him as that type of style heavily benefits directness, only teams that get ppl defending against them is liverpool city, thats about it, all the other teams try to net 2 extra points most of the time, those who dont end up like newcastle before howe
When will everyone finally realize that the problem at Man United is not the coach, it's the players. It's called player-power. In the beginning players will do what Ten Hag says, and sooner or later they will return to their old bad habits.
I do not believe it has anything to do with player power. Utd simply cannot field an effective team. Playing McFred was always going to be lackluster and put pressure on the defence. It did not matter if Rangnick or Ole played McFred it was always going to struggle.
@@lexxihd5843 My personal opinion....is that it's the attitude of the Glazers towards the club as a cash cow, the lack of direction and tone set by them and the rest of the Board, and the lack of a clear, consistent vision and plan for the club that is ultimately to blame for the state that Manchester United are in. The club are now on their 5th permanent manager since SAF retired, having also appointed , Ole (initially) and Ragnic as stop gaps and Giggs and Carrick as very temporary fill ins... the revolving door of managers and coaching staff with their different ideologies and tactics, introducing their own philosophies and placing new demands on players has created an environment where the majority of players don't care about the club, it's history or it's identity...its just a Brand to be exploited by the Glazers and by many of the players under the Glazers....most players are either in survival mode or coasting....waiting for the next managerial change, the next change of tactics, the next false dawn....the next contract renewal...or, increasingly...sitting on their fat salaries, doing as little as they can get away with...depending on whether they need to impress an International manager or put themselves in the shop window....and, running down their contracts...knowing that they can sit on the bench or in the reserves/the treatment room and still get paid circa £100k+ a week until they leave.
Either way, it’s gonna be interesting. Depending on who they get in in terms of personnel, I think making the champions league at the end of the season will be seen as progress.
Yeah it will be progress and honestly I can't see it happening, Tottenham and Arsenal are better and improving. I think it will be two seasons before they get into CL, earliest
totally agree, there will be (or more precisely should be) some tactical flexibility with ten hag's united, at least in the first-second seasons, but as united get better (if they would indeed getting better at all) under ten hag, i guess everyone would be correct to expect that ten hag will be taking more stylistic approach as the team mature.
If there was a segment on the pizza chart for "manager's disappointment with The Board" that would need a seriously big pizza at the moment. Excellent video and analysis btw.
if FDJ joins, and Shaw gets back in decent shape - the progression down the left side has potential to be fantastic. The right side remains a concern all round!
Olé's Man United playing 4231 with Cavani/Martial up front and Bruno,Greenwood, Rashford is a similar style to Ten Hag except not as proactive as Ajax but deadly on the counter. Striker in Martial/Cavani dropped deep often to allow Bruno and wingers to make runs inside
ten hag also coached fc utrecht, with haller, before he went to eintracht frankfurt as striker. he made fc utrecht, a pretty dissapointing team, not as much as united tho, but he made them play football for real, and made them a sub topper. he then went to ajax, and we all know how that went :)
Ten Hag could replicate his 18/19 system through the current United squad with few additions. Considering the fact that, Ronaldo plans to leave the club this summer Bruno could replicate the false 9 role of Tadic. While Donny and De Jong would replicate their previous role, adding Neves would help the line-up. Neves could play a similar role to Schone while helping in build-up play. When it comes to the front two Rashford and Sancho would love to play the inside forwards role since they are familiar with this type of role. Finally, the defensive line-up should look like Malacia (LB), Lisandro (LCB), Varane (RCB), and Dumfries (RB)!!.
"when the opposing team is better than his, he changes and is flexible" Well well well look no more than the liverpool game this week. crazy how this was foreshadowed.
I agree, I see the rest of Man Utd vloggers pretend like their gods. They seems to know everything but their facts are bullshit and all they do is rubbish prediction.
He can have whatever ideology he likes, it won’t make a difference and it will fail. The players won’t buy in, they don’t care for the club the way his squad did at Ajax
Atleast everyone now knows the problem is with players attitude and the plan is to gradually change the squad and bring in players he trust. After a year 90% will be players he trusts, young or new players looking at Man United as a step up. You are right most of the current players are doomed BUT Erik Ten Hag has been assigned to identify new willing players not in few weeks but over time
while he was an Ajax manager, he didn't change his playing stile, when he played against other teams like Real Madrid or Liverpool. I guess that's probably because that's the culture of the club and so. But, as you can see with Ajax, he was quite successful, when he played offensively against way better teams
One of the highlights of the 2018-19 was our shitty little team (Willem II) beating Ajax at home 0-2. So, any idea how good ten Haag will be at beating teams who are all counter all the time (as we were in that game)?
