Today we will learn the truth about the basher RC! Will it survive being upgraded to 8s or will it succumb to bashing on 6s? Is this a good budget alternative to Traxxas XRT or Arrma 8s?
That would be better though of course that would make the price higher on both of them so I can understand why they did what they did. The problem is that the majority of people in the hobby expect a certain level of durability no matter what they're buying especially when they're spending that kind of money and I don't think this is going to reach that level for many people.
@eddytoy9496 totally agree! The tenacity db was the last truck that was really good. Since then they are on a downward spiral: the hammer rey, lasernut, baja rey, now this. They are all way too heavy for their drivetrain and electronics. Either they're too stupid to understand(which I refuse to believe) or are forced by HH to keep the cost down in expense of durability which is a shame as their vehicles look all so good. Would love to have a baja rey 2.0 but as durability is an issue and parts availability in Europe is absolutely terrible, it instantly kills my urge to add one to the fleet. Very sad what HH pulls off in Europe.
💭🤔 for $800 Losey needs to go back to the drawing board. This vehicle is not worth $400. They really bumped their head this time.🤨 this really just makes the fire team looks even better😆🤣😂
@@allyoucando8486just because it’s big don’t mean they are worth 800 and up especially for the durability of this that’s insane my 4s cars take then times the abuse this would ever take
I have the fireteam 😁 good truck. I have put all the metal upgrades besides a arm for some flex and put in max6 combo (4990 motor) perfect pass monster servo along with radiomaster MT12 radio (ELRS). I have titanium chassis and added the stainless bottom plates (another 2mm) for protection. It is HEAVY 🤯 roll bar and bumpers, side panels... Everything. I started breaking diff pins (rear) real quick. Like less than a pack in 🤯 got the hardened drill blanks (2.3mm with molybdenum) so far so good. Just ordered outdrive cups from ramjam. Tool steel and titanium hinge pins. Those are supposed to come with some special blend metal diff pins ramjam says 😉 I have been going to town on this beast $$$ 🤯😉 i will have to record some footage of this thing. Build info and thrashing 🤔
This is why I always recommend either an Arrma 4S truck or the Kraton 6S EBS. In my opinion those two platforms are the most bang for your buck. And if you go 4S Outcast you really get a lot of fun out of it.
As far as bashers go absolutely. Of course this is designed to be a scale rig but I think at least these days everybody's going to expect a certain amount of bashability from anything they buy and I don't think this is going to meet that expectation for a lot of people
@DoRC It's a bit perplexing. I'd imagine the engineers who are responsible for product planning etc had to have known this thing isn't going to hold up well. I'm an Automotive Technician by trade. So I understand sometimes manufacturers release a new model and have an issue with a component in their car. And often the car manufacturer doesn't make the part. So you can't really blame them. And people generally don't understand that. But in cases like this it really looks like they really didn't make any efforts. Just sort of ripped parts off of different cars and made a new one.
@@edwinlomonaco6754 not everyone drives really hard and if that’s your style this isn’t the best rig , I didn’t realize it was marketed a basher like do said but a lot of us couldn’t wait for RCs to be more scale and seems s….. just to expensive to have it both ways . I’m at point I really only bash the Arrmas I bought half price I regret running the LMT. To the ground 😝
Thanks for the review. I think it pits ones love of scale against bashing. I have the Super Rock Rey, and in my experience it's definitely not a basher, but I still love it's scale qualities when driving it. Going to have some long talks with myself on this one due to it's price.
Losi makes the most delicate RCs I've ever owned. A relatively light slide into a curb with my DBXL E caused $225 in damage. If that isn't bad enough, I ordered the replacement parts in May, and I still don't have them as of today, July 21st. My Losi SBR 2.0 wasn't delicate, but it's handling was terrible. It flipped onto its lid if you looked at it funny. My Lasernut has been ok, but that's only because I've learned my lesson from the others and baby the hell out of it. The only Losi's that I really love are my Mini B and my Mini T. Not that they're durable or anything-theyre not! My groms are 50x more durable. ALL OF THEM!-but they're so light that jumps aren't too bad. They're a lot of fun, though. I'll take them over my other Losi's. I'm not joking. I mean it.
Great idea covering the receiver with a glove finger. I guess you could use a balloon as well. I also like the idea of having a fan to complete the drying process. The Super Lasernut sure looks nice as it's gliding over the terrain. It doesn't perform that well off jumps and probably will break on big jumps. I have ran my 1/10 scale U4 into trees and curbs and it seems to take it quite well. It manages to get over the weeds better than my other 1/10 scale trucks with it's big tires. I own two 1/10 scale Lasernuts that were too cheep to pass up. I figured if one breaks I'll drive the other one. I probably wont dump any parts into either and when they die they will be shelf queens. For now I'm enjoying the heck out of them.
There are people who will have a good time with the super nut as well. As long as you understand its limitations and work within them it'll be fine. The big problem I have is that the way it's advertised doesn't match its durability
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I’m glad you’re so honest. I’m living in Holland and wanted to buy this thing. But I see only bad reviews. But this is for me the limit. Thanx for your post.
Even with good reviews I wouldn't buy that thing. It's a Horizon Hobby product and they absolutely do not care about their customers in Europe.Break something and wait for parts for months on end. No matter the brand: Arrma, Losi, Axial: it's always the same.
Maybe though I suppose it just really depends on what their goals are. If they don't mind people feeling like it's not really able to be bashed then I guess it's okay but I feel like especially in today's market there's going to be a lot of disappointed people
Like I commented in the last video, not surprised, and kinda the results I was expecting. If this goes on a super sale I would consider it. Losi tends to make trucks like this and then discontinue them.
Compared to your abuse on other cars you took the NotSoSuper Lasernut very mild. And the result is quite disappointing. 😞 Thanks for the warning. I may better buy a Super Baja Rey as my first *big* car.
The Super Baja Rey 2.0 is also not a basher. I love mine and it's a monster but it's not made to be driven like a Kraton or Xmaxx. It's in this same category of scale replica as this buggy and the UDR. it's a big heavy rig and when it takes a big heavy tumble stuff will break. Out of the box you have to add a rear chassis brace to the cage to keep it from flexing to much. After that it's good for It's intended use. You can go hard on natural terrain pretty much without issue within reason but if you start hitting ramps or go to a skate park, it won't last long. I love mine but if you want to bash it hard you're much better off with a Mojave. You can treat both the 4s and 6s Mojave however you want and they'll smile and ask for more.
@@boduke9428 I'm not interested in bashing, but the Lasernut seems to be really too weak for it's price. I want to go fast "trophy style", no big jumps, no skate park etc, More like scale driving - I'll put FPV gear *into* the car (that for it needs to be big) to get that feeling as if was actually driving a real car. Do you have any suggestions which brace to take / is a 3D printed good enough?
@@NUeB_RCFPV There are lots of videos on the issue. I use an aluminum set from Scorched RC. You can get metal, carbon fiber, or plastic. I tried carbon fiber but changed to aluminum after seeing a video somewhere where they compared the different types and aluminum really stiffened things up more. I don't think printed would work unless it was from a very resilient material. The spare tires are pretty heavy and cause a lot of force and flex in the cage below them. It's body breaking amounts. That's why I say put them on straight out of the box. After that it's a great truck. Every break I've had on mine was 100% my fault. For your purpose it will be great.
@@boduke9428 Thanks a lot! 🙂I've good experience w/ printing functional parts in ABS like resin, but of cource it can not compare to aluminium or carbon. Scorched list only the carbon brace on their website, but now I know what to look for. :)
Ha, that's a great tip, back in my day we used a balloon to put the receiver in, and I used the lil spring from a writing pen to put pressure on dogbones to keep them in place! another great video my friend
Yeah balloons work great too. Pretty much anything you can get wrapped around at that's going to repel water will works :-). I've never heard of Pen springs. That definitely would work though sounds like a bit of a pain to put together!
The internals are definitely reminiscent of Arrma, And as this is such a large vehicle, it really should have the "EXB" treatment, like the aluminum chassis braces, and the aluminum tube between the shock towers like the Mojave 6s
They could have done that but unfortunately I don't think it would help. There are some fundamental issues with this platform at this scale that are going to be pretty hard to overcome. The hinge pin size and the design of the arms really aren't up to handling the forces from a nearly 20 lb vehicle with batteries. They just were never designed for that.
I would definitely have a difficult time recommending it to most people. If you just have to have the scale looks and are okay compromising on durability maybe it would still be fine.
Great video man I enjoy the bench stuff that o ring in the dog bones is a great trick. It’s a shame this trucks durability isn’t there because as you mentioned it looks incredible, you didn’t do anything evil to it and it just didn’t hold up. 🤙🤙
100% not for me... Love the look an all that and was thinking of getting one ....na. think I'll give this one a miss, I like to bash and I think this one would be on the bench more so than in the park... ❤
Yeah if you consider yourself to be any sort of serious basher this thing's probably going to be pretty frustrating. It's fun to drive but I hate constantly being worried about what's going to happen if it takes a tumble.
Yeah it's been a while since I've given an RC a genuine thumbs down. I think the only two other than this have been the MT-8 when it first came out and the V2 HPI Savage.
I actually did pick up the Vigilante. It's totally worth it. It comes with Hobbywings fantastic 4985 Max6 combo. It does a decent enough job with the heavy ass Vigilante as geared from factory, though I wouldn't mess with the gearing. I'm thinking it'll overheat. The best part is, when you do decide to upgrade, the max 6 combo can be used to big block whatever 8th scale you have. And for 8th scale, it's a great upgrade
In my opinion it would've been best if Losi just got all the lasernut stuff built on the tried and true optioned out 8ight xte itself, rather than stretch it out like they did. Make it 8-7th scale and it might have been way better.
Yeah I think that probably would have been a better idea. Not only is this thing way too big for the platform but they didn't even put it on the strongest version of the platform.
Unfortunately it kind of seems that way which is really weird because it seems like such an obvious problem. I was immediately suspicious that this was going to be the case when I saw how large this thing was. It's hard to get around physics.
I use a little plastic bag that small parts, screws, shims etc come in & a zip tie to waterproof my recievers. I twist then double over the covered wires before fastening the zip tie to make it even harder for water to get in. This can be used outside the reciever box or if your rig doesn't have one.! In all the years I've been doing it I've never had a reciever get wet. Stay safe out there & the very best wishes from Scotland 🏴 🙏 ❤️ 📻 🕹️ 🔋 🚗 🚖 🚕 🚔 🚚 🚙 🚘 🚓 🚒 🚑 🚐 🚎 🚤 🚁 🛩️ 👍 👍 👍
Great review. I think you gave it every chance. It's only a couple pounds lighter than an Xmaxx so it would need to be a lot tougher, which would then make it even heavier. Just built off the wrong platform for this style of a rig. It looks awesome though.
Yeah I think this should get some slack because it's designed to be more of a scale vehicle but these days I feel like there's a minimum expectation for any thing that's labeled a basher and when the product description has words like extreme in it and the video shows it jumping and bouncing off rocks It needs to at least be able to do a little bit of that and again in my experience it doesn't seem to be able to
I'd love to get one unfortunately when something isn't a recent release it's really hard to make a successful video on it. I had pre-ordered one when they first came out but there was a problem with the order and it never ended up shipping.
I guess 1/8 components on that Huge ( and soft) chassis just arent gonna work out for most of our driving. They cheaped out on the materials, which i guess they also did with the RTR buggy and Truggy, but theyre at least smaller and lighter, and come with a SENSORED SYSTEM. Why is taking til 2024 for this to happen?
Yeah I think the lower end parts are fine on the buggy and Truckee but when you double the weight of something without changing critical things like how the arms attach to the chassis it's pretty predictable what's going to end up happening.
Great video mate, well done at staying unbiased. Thats a hard No from me on the Losi Any chance you can review the HPI Vorza S Buggy please 🙏 There are hardly any reviews and I'd love to hear your thoughts Cheers Buddy
I do want to clarify that I'm not unbiased. I try to stay as objective as possible but we all have our biases. It's just the nature of being a human being:) I probably wouldn't be able to justify getting a Vorza s for review. If something hasn't recently come out it's really hard to get an abused justify making a video. That being said the Vorza s is very similar to the original Vorza buggy So you can look at old reviews and videos on it to get an idea of how it is. I've had a couple of the old version ones over the years and it's a pretty tough vehicle
I know MSRP and the cost to the manufacturer aren’t a a direct correlation, however I still find it ridiculous. The SR315 is $54.99, and the SR6200A is $74.99. There’s no way they couldn’t have put a water resistant receiver in this.
Interesting. I didn't know the 6200A was water resistant. Based on the description it looks like it's just conformally coated which the SLT3 might be as well I've never actually looked.
@@DoRC only the AVC receivers are Reliakoted The previous generation of non avc receivers that used a bind plug did have Reliakote, but then they designed the receivers to stand alone without a box (that divot around the antenna wire is allegedly supposed to hold an antenna tube) but removed the Reliakote
Thanks for the great review Bro! I really really appreciate your honesty and candidness. It gives you mass credibility dude!! Stay true! Keep them coming.
I also use balloons to waterproof reciver boxes and use the same method except just use a thick ballon instead of a glove. You could even use a glove on the inner layer and a ballon on the second layer. Have a great day!
Great review. I think there wasn't enough testing done before they put into production. They make it the way they do so people buy parts then people quit buying this buggy and then they discontinue the thing. I love my 1/10 scale ones. This one I bet is heavy. I may get one but it will just get some light running in the grass.
Yeah that's kind of my experience with it. I mean if you're really careful with it it actually handles decently and it can be fun but it's pretty close to the weakest truck I've owned in a long time.
Need a plastic chassis for that weight unless you have a REALLY beefy (short) chassis and bracing. Other than that it seems like most of the issues are rather minor, hopefully losi tweaks the small problems
@V8chump I'm not sure there is minor as they seem to be. Things like how the arms attached to the chassis are kind of a fundamental problem. The hinge pins aren't big enough and the holes in the arms where they go through aren't strong enough. To make the hinge pins bigger means removing more material from the arms and to add material to the arms you need room where they attach to the chassis to fit that extra material. I'm not saying it's impossible but I think you'd be looking at a serious redesign in order to actually make this thing strong enough to handle the forces that it's nearly 20 lb are going to be putting on it.
@@DoRC oh man you’re totally right! Sorry I glossed over that part of the video while I was getting ready for work. The fact that you didn’t have a hard crash and had that much damage is insane
@@V8chump Yeah I don't think I had a single crash that I would have considered even moderately hard. It had a few tumbles and a couple of bad landings from 2 to 3 ft in the air but that's it. I also only have around one full pack through it now
I've had my fingers burnt too many times by Losi parts (lack of) availability to ever consider buying another Losi. Once that model gets discontinued, forget about it!
Yeah I had several comments by people talking about lack of parts and after doing some research it seems warranted. There are quite a few parts that are currently back ordered for this platform including some that are fairly important and one that I actually broke on the buggy.
I've got 5 packs through mine, and so far so good, no breakages or mishaps, aside from the steering link issue, which was easily fixed. I find the truck to be pretty good at what it's designed for, which is scale driving. It's just not designed to be bashed.
I'm glad it's working out for you but like I showed in the video Losi doesn't say this is a slow speed scale driving vehicle. They show it banging off of rocks and jumping etc. they use the word extreme multiple times in the description of the car. Of course there's going to be a certain subset of people who are happy with anything but I feel like something that's marketed as a basher should be able to bash at least modestly.
@@DoRC I wouldn't say I'm happy with anything, I've bought plenty of RCs that didn't make the cut and were sold off, or relegated to the shelf. This one however, I really do like. I don't drive it slow, I just don't run it into dirt mounds, or send it to the moon. I have, however had a few bad landings, and it is still in one piece. As a scale rig, it's awesome. As a Basher, no way. I don't bash my UDR, or my SBR either. Just not what they're for. I'd say Horizon's marketing team didn't consult the designers when they wrote what they did.
I have a Super Baja Rey (8s)and that rig can take some serious abuse, this Lasernut looks amazing but I don’t think it’s going to hold up to to even moderate bashing due to the increased weight. I would likely spend $800 on a different platform although I do really love the scale looks of it.
Im curious why you expected this to be a super durable basher? It's a scale version of the most fragile Ultra4 car on grid. It should be fragile. The real thing is lightning fast until it breaks, it sounds like they hit the nail on the head with it's scale version.
I definitely didn't expect it to be a super durable basher I just expected it to be a reasonably capable one and I think most people are going to expect that. Yes this is a scale replica of a full-sized vehicle but it's also $800 RC car which is advertised as at least a moderate basher. If they didn't want it to be used as a basher they probably shouldn't advertise it as one.
Ya, I had a feeling in your previous vid of this rc that it would be fragile, and thats with underpowered electronics for the scale size/weight if I hear all of this correctly.
It is definitely the heaviest vehicle these electronics have been put in. I never really did get a chance to check temperatures because I just didn't get to bash long enough but I suspect they're going to run pretty hot even though it does feel decently powerful
Anytime you do something like washing a car with a hose it's going to potentially reduce the life of bearings and whatnot but at least in my personal experience I've never really had much trouble with it. The majority of the bearings in the car are at least shielded by something else such as the wheels etc and as long as you don't sit there and directly spray a bearing for 5 minutes It's probably going to be okay. I've been washing cars that exact same way for probably 10 years now and I've never really had any obvious issues from it other than a couple of times when I sprayed down electronics that weren't actually waterproof. That being said living where I do I probably wouldn't be in this hobby if I couldn't wash off my cars so I'd rather have to replace a few bearings here and there then have to clean a car without a hose
@DoRC do you think we've been spoiled by the likes of Arrma and Traxxas when it comes to durability? I love my Losi Super Rock Rey though. It's a tank.
@@kevinchambers4219 I'm not sure spoiled is the right term. I think it's just that the hobby has progressed and people have higher expectations than they used to. It's not just the big names either. I have $200 Amazon specials that are more durable than this truck is. 10 years ago this sort of thing was acceptable but these days for many people it just isn't.
@DoRC fair point. I didn't get back into the RC life until 2020, so my experience is essentially with "modern " brands and offerings. I will say though, my first few TV back into the hobby were Amazon specials (Laegendary) brand ( I know odd spelling) and they are a tough RC for theost part.
I agree with your opinion thats alot of damage on what looked like to me a light fun bashing . From the scenes in this video of the wrcks it should have held up at that cost
@@Crawlingrc3903 It's definitely not very durable and I guess that shouldn't be too surprising given that it's based on a 1/8 scale buggy platform and it weighs almost 20 lb with batteries
I want one for how it looks but I’m not sure because I bash super hard when I drive my Rc’s. if there’s rpm arms and aluminum diff cases for this truck available I’d do it and the hinge pins I’ll just make some titanium ones at the college (they let us do it for free I really need to take more advantage of that shit) and then I’ll see from there 😊
@@DoRC that pains me so much I was looking forward to that car 😭 I made the v1 super baja Rey bashable I was thinking that the super lasernut for sure would’ve been a easier truck to bash
Well I have the original 1/9th Scale LaserNut and generally two expected upgrades right off the bat were the ExoTek Top Brace made of Aluminum and Carbon Fiber along with Aluminum chassis braces or else you would bend that chassis as well. So it seems on par there, but all the little fixes you had to do just to get it to run correctly at all...? Thats pretty shitty quality building from Losi/Horizon. My Super Baja Rey 2.0 seems to be indestructible, and I jump the thing like a Kraton and the only damage seems to be in the body and plastic cage snapping and cracking in places. I think if Losi wants to sell this thing for $800, then it needs an aluminum top place and chassis braces at the very least, plus implement the small fixes you did such as O-Rings in the drive cups and washers/bigger screw heads to stop links from popping off. At that point it might be worth it, because remember - this isn't a bashing vehicle. It isn't meant to compete with Kratons or Maxxes, its meant to be a Rock Racer or LIGHT basher. I have NEVER broken anything on my 1/9th scale original LaserNut because I fixed the issues before even driving it with the ExoTek top plate and rebuilding of all 3 diffs with custom shimming. But, I also dont drive it like a Kraton, I drive it as it was intended to be driven.
The chassis reinforcement would be good but that's not going to fix the main problem with this which is that things like the arms and how they attach just aren't strong enough for that kind of weight. And I definitely understand this isn't a hardcore basher but I certainly wasn't hardcore bashing either. I think what I was doing was pretty representative of what they were showing in the video and certainly less than "extreme" which is how they describe it on the website. Ultimately for those that love the way it looks and don't mind it's lack of durability it could be a cool car but I think a lot of people will be disappointed in it just like they were with the original
@@DoRC Ya Im sure this will be a repeat of the original. And ur right, the arms do seem weak and were weak on my 1/9 OG as well. I soaked the entire truck in Muck-Off MO-94 and let it dry for 3 days before driving. It really helps with plastics. MO-94 is basically a modified PTFE coating designed specifically for UTVs and Mountain Bikes and other Off-Road vehicles. As it soaks into plastics and then dries, it softens them up slightly, reducing the chance of a break due to plastics becoming brittle over time. Unlike WD-40, MO-94 also dries to the touch after about 24 hours and doesn't attract dirt or mud. Its almost like a super-slippery clear coat of paint. I now coat every single RC I buy for at least 48 hours before driving it and it makes a noticeable difference in durability on all of them.
Any who buys this better get used to it sitting on the work bench & be prepared for a money pit as well. Honestly at this point what can you say I would’ve though Losi would’ve learned from the first one & corrected all the issues it had but no they just released a new version with just as many issues but it just costs more now. What is it going to take for people to listen. You are buying a lemon & a money pit. Been there done that with the first one. 🤨
Yeah I really had my hopes up that this wasn't going to end up the way I suspected it would but you can't fix physics. You can't take a platform that was designed to handle the forces of an 8 lb race car dumb down half the parts on it stretch it half a foot double the weight and expect it to survive
This is exactly the reason I am done with large scale rc’s in general. Too heavy for their own good and every run something breaks, bends or fails. They are expensive and you need tons of space to drive them properly. For the money I’ll buy 2 10th scale cars, leave one only lying around for the spare parts.
I definitely agree about the space thing though there are pretty decently durable large-scale trucks out there. The Traxxas x platform trucks and the latest 8S armas are decent
I knew this was gona be bad as far as durability because of the problems with the 10th scale , i just didnt think it was going to be as weak as it is. Sad , its a looker for sure
Yeah I was hoping it wouldn't carry over the same types of problems but it does kind of seem like it has. It's possible they never intended this to be a basher but if that's the case they probably shouldn't have words like extreme in the product description.
You can't be too hard on reviewing products. People count on honest reviews so they can determine what to buy I don't think losi spent any time or consideration making this a strong vehicle. They know how to make great vehicles. Clearly this was never planned to be one. Cheers
@DoRC Was gon be My next purchase, big let down from losi, but very typical of there product line, very poor in the quality control department, BIG BACKLASH COMING YOU BET!!!
@@tyshiddejuremanbey1313 I didn't find any specific manufacturing defects I just think that they're expecting people to be a bit more tolerant of damage than they actually are
@DoRC This is purely a money a grab, i have the 1/10th scale, and it appear that this 1/6th is a blown up model, THEY MADE NO INOVATIONS AT ALL, and that's why i'll wait for after market to heat up, the chasis is pot metal, the Dog Bone issue, the servo, etc, etc, etc, 🤦🏿♂️it has alot of issues, for $800 bucks, i think they know this (DANG LOSI)!!!
ok, you answered my question... Do i get a lazynuts?. I'll hold off on it and stick with getting a Typhon Grom. And ya i saw your reviews on it. i even commented about it. i must be getting alzheimer, must be contagious from dad. lol great review, I know by now your opinion is spot on, your honest and practical. if you said no... i trust your reviews. have fun.
I'm sure there are some people that are going to buy this truck and are going to be very happy with it. If you buy it because you love the way it looks and are willing to over look the durability shortcomings it's still a pretty neat vehicle. Personally though I don't think it meets the minimum requirements for a modern basher especially not one that uses the word extreme in the description.
I would expect more from Losi. Honestly I feel like Horizon hobby needs to do some in house restructuring. Their quality control has steadily been on the decline, parts availability is spotty at best & their customer service is basically nonexistent. It's too bad but I think HH may have too many irons in the fire.
Is this an experience made in the USA or Europe? Because in Europe Horizon Hobby is terrible. Since a few years I stay away from everything related to them, even Arrma. Almost no spare parts, terrible customer support, ridiculous prices compared to the US. I sold everything off I had from HH and am not going to buy again. They made it clear that North America is their focus, but when even in the USA support gets that bad, there's something fishy going on behind the scenes.
@@AsurasWrath164 well if North America is their focus we are all in big trouble because it's terrible here as well. I think HH has too many brands under one umbrella. Divest & let each company do their thing? Who knows. If it want for after market support how far would HH really have gotten. Smart on their part to let other manufacturers build parts for their rigs. I mean really what's the other options, Traxxas 🤷🏼 sure rhere is other brands but is the CS any better ? What about parts availability, not unless you're willing to wait months for Ali express
Honestly, I think I'd rather have the ZD Racing DBX-07 (Absima Mamba) for around £550.! (£400 for the roller) It's much beefier, faster, has helical cut gears, hardened diff internals/running gear & is arguably better looking.! Obviously parts are a consideration for some, but in the UK at least you can easily get parts for the Absima Mamba version from the hobby store.! Losi are another brand who know that people will pay over the odds for the brand name.! I won't, I can't afford to play like that... Even if I suddenly could, I still bloody wouldn't as a matter of principle.!! This isn't available in the UK yet & it'll probably be over £800 if it ever is... That's just too much.!!!
This truck also has helically cut gears and I assume that diff internals are hardened. It's not really the differentials that are the problem at least for me. It's the platform itself that just can't handle the weight.
No... Your not being to hard on the buggy I feel as it was a rushed release. I was surprised they was releasing this after the two they just released already the last two months. Nice looking buggy though. The smaller version had a lot of problems too and using weaker materials they want you to break it so that you buy more parts too... I personally will not be buying this buggy. Great videos though
I don't know. I don't feel like this was rushed I just feel like it was Miss managed. I think Lucy feels like they can build something like this and just tell people that it's not a serious basher. The problem is that what even constitutes a mild basher these days has changed a lot even in the last few years. If what you make can't handle what I was doing it probably shouldn't be sold.
Yeah it's definitely a tough sell for a lot of people. If you really love the way it looks and can overlook how weak it is it's still an awesome truck. I'm a basher though and in my opinion at least this doesn't meet the minimum standard for modern basher durability.
Great review, honestly. Thank you very much. Everyone knows that Horizon, especially Losi, have been ripping off their customers for years. The models are scale, look good and they pay a lot in license fees. But technically everything is inferior to the cheapest from China. 1:10 technology is stretched to 1/6, can't hold up. You really have to wonder if anyone there has any professional pride and dignity. Constantly new models, never available, especially in Europe. And after a very short time the models are sold out and there are no more parts. You really shouldn't support the company, Traxxas and Tamiya are examples of how it can be done differently. Hotizon is ruining the hobby, shame on them !
I think you mean Losi, instead of Horizon altogether. Arrma, Axial, and even Losi make some great and durable rigs that are usually among the lowest priced in category. I can't speak to Europe efforts but once a model is out a few minutes parts are easy to get. Either way, scale stuff is more fragile than regular RC rigs. For that reason. That same crash would total the real vehicle the scale one is based on. It's the same with every manufacturer. Aside from this Super Lasernut the most fragile RC truck I know of is the Traxxas UDR. It'll also usually break every run until you get a ton of money in aftermarket parts. They're both scale accurate looking and driving rigs. 1:1 vehicles aren't made to to bashed and that part doesn't scale. I'm not defending this rig but you can't put every vehicle under the horizon umbrella because of this one. Maybe it's different in the U.S. but Traxxas is the greedy one here. They cost to much and with only a couple exceptions everything they sell is on decades old platforms. Everything is based on a Slash, Maxx, or TRX chassis. They won't spend R&D money for actual new vehicles and are still pushing out brushed electronics and plastic geared servos in premium priced rigs.
I think there's a lot of good stuff that comes from horizon though I have noticed that People's opinion of companies in this hobby tends to heavily depend on where in the world they live.
I definitely agree that this truck shouldn't be held at the same standard as something like a Traxxas Maxx but if they're going to use the word extreme in the description and show it jumping and bouncing off of rocks it should at least be able to handle moderate bashing which Again at least in my experience it can't
people, wake up! everything that Horizon tries to do is expensive and the quality goes down because they're cutting costs everywhere. example proline racing: more expensive, adhesives generally come off, inserts are made of the cheapest material. it used to be different! such companies are driving the hobby to ruin. axial can't even produce a gearbox that doesn't make a cracking noise on the scxlll. not to mention the scx6, a heavy car with a plastic mixture for light 1/10, every part has to be replaced, I think they work with vitavon so they can sell tuning. vanquish, for example, shows how it can be done differently. shame
@@RG77324 OK, you definitely don't have a SCX6 if you think that. Mine has dragged over 100 pounds of bike stroller trailer and kiddos around yards, parks, and trails for over a year now without issue. I actually bought Treal axles as soon as I got mine because I only bought it to pull the kids and I believed everything I'd heard about their axles and gears. I still haven't put them on. I did the chassis bracing for the steering and shock towers just to reinforce stuff because I was gonna be abusing it. If every gear in it stripped today it wouldn't owe me anything. It's got hours and miles of pulling 5 times it's intended weight around on the stock drive train and hasn't flinched once. Most of that has even been using 4s batteries when it's only recommended for 3s. I just have more and bigger 4s to use to weight it down more for better traction. Look man, a few years ago I was a card carrying, Kool aide drinking Traxxas fanboy. My entire collection was Traxxas. Buying 1 Arrma that was on sale for nearly half off changed all that. Now I have 7 brands and way to many rigs but only 2 of them are Traxxas. There are a ton of great trucks and cars out there that Traxxas doesn't build a model of. If you want a buggy of any type from Traxxas then you're stuck with a 30 year old Bandit. Is that what you want the hobby to be? You think everyone with a buggy should be driving Bandits?
I saw that conclusion coming. Since a few years Losis vehicles are lacking. Too heavy for the mechanics and the electronics: the same with the hammer rey, the lasernut and now this!
I was afraid of this. Scale accuracy to me means scale durability. That real Lasernut this is based on breaks a lot during competition also. Every vehicle i know that's really scale accurate is among the most fragile. It's not brand dependent on durability, it's scale dependent. The most fragile Traxxas is the UDR. Guess what the 2 have in common? My SBR 2.0 is a great driving truck but it can't bash like either of my 3 Mojave's. They are less scale realistic but much more RC realistic and more durable for it. Losi dropped the ball here and i can't defend them. At this price with so many re used components there's no reason this shouldn't withstand normal scale bashing better than this. I much prefer comically un scale characteristics and more durability on my rigs. It might work well on low speed crawler type rigs but that's about all scale realism is good for.
Yeah maybe though most of the stuff that's problematic is under all the scale looks. I think the big problem here is what platform they chose to put it on and the scale they chose to make it. If they had stuck with the truggy size and made it that scale it probably would have been fine. Of course then they would have been competing against their own 1/10 scale laser nuts which is probably why they didn't do it
@@DoRC yep. This would have made a better V2 Lasernut to replace the first rather than sell alongside of it. The more I think about it. My least bashable rigs are Losi. My SBR 2.0 is OK but my LMT is made of glass. I love them both but rarely drive the king Sling because it breaks. My DBXLE is the only large scale I just didn't like and actually sold. It wasn't exactly fragile but I didn't know what it was really intended for. It definitely wasn't a basher and the SBR did normal type driving way better. Maybe I'm just a Losi hater and don't realize it yet.
This is based on the losi 8ight xe 2.0 race platform. They recently released RTR versions of the race kit that come with electronics but also have some lower specification things like towers ABCD blocks chassis etc. This is a stretched version of that same exact platform
Off topic, but blew my xrt/xmaxx rear diff. Does having super think filled diffs like 1m + where its harder to turn them, in turn make it harder on the gears? or not really. I just bought vivatons and shims this time so I really wanna make it reliable.
In my experience having thick differential fluid does not make the differentials more likely to break. Technically I suppose it could because it has the potential to transmit more energy through the gears into the housing but in practice it's not something I've experienced
@@DoRC Perfect response thanks, that was kinda my theory as well lol, but ill keep that as they are and just try to add shims this time. Hoping the shims make a difference. Blew the GPM spiral cut in my XRT (no shims)
TC Kagama. I think it has the best combination of price durability handling stuntability and just overall awesomeness. If you're averse to anything but the big brands the Kraton EXB v2 is also very good
I have 3 losi vehicles, 2 of them (Hammer Rey and Mini-T Brushless) are overpriced, half-baked, and under-tuned in various ways, especially steering. Losi is my least favorite of the Horizon brands, but all my Arrma vehicles handle great right out of the box
Yeah they seem to be really good at making race cars but not quite as good at realizing that if you're going to make a basher it needs to be able to bash.
For sure though most of the problem of the MT-8 was a material selection issue. The materials they were using were just way too brittle. The exact same parts off of the Kaiju are much more durable.
Well to be fair this is more of a scale vehicle so it does get some consideration for that but I still don't think it meets the minimum requirements for durability these days. As far as parts go it's actually not that bad because it's based on The budget version of a 1/8 scale buggy so the prices aren't too crazy.
@@DoRC yea I love the scale looks and the suspension is super active and plush, just a shame people are having problems already. Hey at least parts aren’t too bad though
too hard? no man, you're not being hard enough! at 800 (900eur here in Europe!!) this thing is a borderline scam! a real joke but i think i can see the logic.. they had the Lasernut license (which i well and truly hope they lose after this bad joke!), and their thought process was "hey, what's the laziest way we can make a Lasernut car by reusing parts we already make? here's an idea! let's take a smaller scale buggy chassis, put longer truggy a arms, bigger tires and call it a day! look at it! it looks just like the lasernut!" at this point, i'd rather give my money to Trax"i'm gonna sue my mother so she can't compete with me"xas than Horizon [other than Arrma], who seems to be stuck in the 90ies with their designs, while everyone has moved on to greater, better stuff (just look at the micro, 1/24th crawler scene they pretty much created: while everyone is running circles around their ancient designs, they're releasing 'refreshes' with new colors and shocks, not fixing a single thing people were complaining about) yes, i'm supremely pissed they ruined this great car (mostly because i have a very, very soft spot for Ultra 4 which was nearly never well represented in this hobby for some unfathomable reason. just superficial aesthetics) i'd almost buy this used (and likely broken, lol) as a shelf queen, but i don't have shelves the size of the USS Enterprise
Yeah I think it almost would have been better if they had just made it 1/8 scale. It would have probably been pretty decent on that chassis at that size.
@@DoRC they already made the 1/8 scale, just in typical Losi fashion, they called it 1/10th [because, in typical Losi fashion, they used a 1/10th chassis] :) seriously, take the SuperLasernut measurements, multiply by 6 and divide by 8 and you're nearly spot on with the previous Lasernut i guess the most shocking part of the SuperLasernut is that for once Losi got the scale right :D
For 800€ 😢 and after 2 years will not have more spare parts and they will discontinued the car like they do every time.. so forget losey!! I'm not big fan of Traxxas but if we see it's very rare Traxxas discontinued our products..
I'm not going to run any of my cars and trucks in water....I seen another video about the losi lazer not and that person also had trouble with the front dog bone on the right hand side 😮🤔
