You you really just hide from an attacker? I Break it down in the Ultimate Self Defense Championsips Episode 3! Here's the original! Watch the series. • The Ultimate Self-Defe...
@@ttytty6940 to be fair, its very unlikely your average criminal will be as fast as a rugby player, but it does demonstrate that you cant outrun everyone unless you happen to be usain bolt
@PaMuShin Sure but if you pay attention to what you're doing and kick the guy while his knife hand is holding the ladder he's going to be toast. Imagine getting basically curb stomped while you're holding on to the top of a ladder. One kick could possibly break your neck, and if not that then make you fall off. You can't exactly put your arms up to protect your head since you're using them to keep yourself on the ladder. Even if the second pursuer wisened up after seeing the first guy get killed and tried to avoid the kicking and do something tricky with the knife, he's going to have a rough time trying to catch his foot with the pointy end with the speed of a whole leg coming down on him, while he has at most one arm available to use and zero mobility because he's stuck to the ladder.
@PaMuShin 🤣🤣🤣 bruh imagine being on top of a ladder and someone is trying to cut/stab your foot. yknow what, stab my foot, I'm still gonna stomp your face and you're gonna fall 12 feet and be unalived. Don't be silly.
@PaMuShin if you are getting stabbed while someone who is climbing a ladder you are stupid. If the person swings the knife at me he cant climb towards me, if he is climbing he cant swing the knife at me. So just like in sparring you use those timing windows to attack. So a stupid person is getting stabbed in that situation. Also kicking the persons head sending them down a ladder is a amount of damage one will be seriously hurt from thats why the guy didnt do it and instead said i would be kicking your head and did the motion so the the guy on the ladder could have tried to stab him at that point but chose not to because the risk it would cause him to try and stab someone kicking at him while he was on a ladder.
I got jumped by 3 boys in the school when i was young . I tried running away but they cornered me in to the schools fences . Then instead of running or fighting , i started searching the ground for something . Luckily found a branch and started hitting them with it. Best defense is having something in your hands mates.
The small guy on every football team knows from goofing in practice: when running from a large opponent stop, make like a table, and watch your larger opponent fly over you. While they sort themselves, run again.
Also it shows how thoughtless was the hole event. Somebody could have died on that day if Matt were pushing it harder and the tough guy were acting invincible untill somebody fall to their death...
@@katokianimationreminds when sparring with a new guy who can't recognize when you could when you pull punches and he blast you with all his power, thinking he's a badass "catching you." Jeff showing the inability to recognize how vicious and violent seth getting hit in the head blinding by that guy was enough for me to know. The whole team is just a punch of goofy "self defense" tough guys
@@jonnybro7676 i felt the same watching it, you put it into words very well. Also they seems like the guys who dont train bjj bc it is unrealistc so it is dangerous to mma spar with bc they cant tap.
Having a guy cherrypicking by the tree was really lame exercise design. And you raise a good point -- the time limit should run against the pursuit team, not the escapees, because ostensibly you'd be on the phone with the police. Not just this episode but several of the exercises seemed more "games" than "scenarios."
@@Uwhwvwgwh not smart if they are both unrealistic and so hard literally everyone got 0 points, what is the point of it then, clearly not everyone did equally well but the points didn't reflect that so its badly designed
@@Leo.23232they’re testing martial artists who have been training most of their life, obviously they’re going to be extremely strict, because they have to be
@@craigyeates1854 yeah but if every single one gets 0, despite them not all doing as well as eachother then the scoring system or the scenario is flawed
@@Leo.23232 or maybe none of them reached the standard they wanted, sure some did better, but it’s possible that none of them done as well as the judges wanted
That's a paraphrase of Mr Miyagi's advice to Daniel san in the original karate kid movie. Along with, karate yes, ok. Karate no, ok. Karate so so, sooner or later, squished like a grape.
Plenty of people with bad knees can fight. "Just run" is very dependent on the situation. Many times we see situations with old men who beat up attackers where those attackers could have 100% outrun the older men. Just run is best advice for guys who are particularly good at running. Assuming they don't currently have a temporary injury or something. Sprain your ankle in basketball 2 weeks ago? Probably better off fighting.
@@bulthaosen1169 you're ignoring the fact that the category of people I'm talking about aren't running far enough away. A whole 5-10 foot circle from the point of start is not getting attention if you aren't really really close to people. At which point just being loud would have sufficed.
@@Leifler and how exactly are you supposed to hide when he is right in front of you before a fight? They have weapons and you don't. Running and screaming like a little girl is still the best option in a confrontation. If you can shut off his pursuit by using obstacles like closing a door or throwing down shelves down the stair even better. Screw pride. All this machoness is just discarding logic for stupidity. Unless you have a gun. In which case the attacker should be the one running. And if they have a gun and you don't you were never gonna make out to begin with.
@bulthaosen1169 what are you on about? If a 50 man attack squad of navy seals supported by drones attacks your house right now, what you gonna do brother??? Let's go! What's the strategy? Wtf? I referenced bad knees and old folks taking out unarmed attackers. If you're too old to run and 3 guys have weapons you fucking give the wallet, you yell. I'm talking about people who are not running anywhere. I'm talking people who would just get got within a few steps. If you can run, run. I'm saying there are people who can't run but can fight. You don't need running knees to pull off a punch or two. You do need running knees to run. If the situation is extreme, you are just screwed, that's how reality works.
A lot of people in actually bad situations run the risk of overwaiting good opportunities to escape. People really die because they get to comfortable in hiding spots or playing the Scooby-Doo door game with people chasing them. You have to find the right amount of proactive and reactive in order to get out of bad situations. It seems like a good rule to me, although, it would almost be better if the whole point was to lose them and then get out again.
I gotta admit, I've been in the situation where I'm both cheering for someone and quietly hoping they'll lose so I won't look like too big of an idiot for losing first. Also Zak's the best editor, no baseball cap.
Yep, running away alone is not enough. This shows you never know who has the better cardio until its too late. What people fail to consider about the advice is that you first have to create a distraction (like throwing your friend into the mix 😅) or incapacitate the attacker to an extent. Hiding is also no good in most situation where if they find you you will probably have nowhere to run. Hiding needs luck where if you find a good hiding place you'll survive but if it is in an abandoned area where they just have the time to search all day and all night, you pretty much found the perfect place for them to hide your dead body. This really is a tricky situation.
Traditional martial arts (as practiced in the west anyway) does not emphasize roadwork, so a lot of practitioners don't have stamina. When I trained in karate in the mid 1980s as a very young person, the sensei ran 5 miles a day which was considered to be a lot of running. Most of us did not run at all
Maybe in a real life scenario, but this is a competition. It has the same limitations as any martial arts training or competition. You have to make it as realistic as you can, without risking injury
I love these videos. But I do have one issue with all these self defence testing type videos. Running away doesn't work... When the person chasing you is a highly trained, stone cold sober, athlete. Knife defence doesn't work.... When the attacker is a highly trained MMA fighter that has also studied videos of knife attacks. All fair enough, but realistically, most random attacks are not initiated by highly trained combat sports athletes. There literally is no one size fits all solution. As an older guy, for me now, running away is probably not the best option in most cases. I simply can't run very fast or very far anymore and if I tried and then still had to fight, I'd be gassed out. Me 30 years ago, different story, I was fast as hell back then. There are many, many variables. To many to come up with an if they do this I do that type scenario.
Yeah being more athletic than the general population gives you way more options. Being older, your best bet is to carry a force multiplier and know how to use it. A sturdy cane can save your life
Watching videos of old guys beating up muggers and thinking about how many random times people are temporarily injured has actually made me do a 360 on the value of "running". For self defense. Most criminals who might chase you, are probably 15-35. That's 20 years. Most humans live go at least 75-ish? So you spend from 35-75 or 40 years being a less good runner as a potential victim. You're also way more likely to be victimized when you look "easier" to victimize. So gray hair = mild target on your head. So from like 50-75 you're probably in some high victim potential. Also, while injured, if you're 30 and you're limping, you're more likely a target. If help is really close by, running might be legit, like you just turned the wrong corner and there's a crowd back the way you came etc. But you will generally spend more of your life as a potential victim as likely a less good runner.
Be real, Seth. You and Icy Mike totally ditched Rokas! Just kidding, but that's a funny anecdote about how y'all got separated. Man, I miss USDC already! Psyched for season 2, but a little bummed that you're not one of the contestants. You gotta get in there and win that belt on the next go 'round!
Im pretty sure you all get a pass on this one except for Rokus and Jeff All of you outsmarted the people hunting you and were able to get out of the building before being noticed and if getting to the tree isnt some arbitrary goal you guys would have gotten away. Also Seth have you seen DanTheWolfMan's review on the Self defence competition?
When we taught WSD we got asked that a lot. The answer was ... complicated. First, you have to have some assurance that you can run away fast enough to get away. Even people who are heavy and not good runners can accelerate pretty fast over short distances. For the cases we were interested in it wasn't great because men can generally, not always but generally, run faster than women all else being equal. Second, you have to have somewhere safer to run to. Otherwise you can end up in the same fight but more tired which isn't exactly perfect. But third, we had written a review article on that had all the published data at the time. It was pretty clear. In cases where the defender was trying to avoid a violent crime - sexual assault, armed robbery, assault, etc - running worked surprisingly well. Completed crime rate dropped from over 90% for "do nothing" to less than 20% for "Run". But so did fighting back and so did a number of other tactics. You wouldn't expect it from scenarios with guys in armor or the Octagon or other things. But that's the difference between being in a mutual combat fight and self protection. The more a criminal has to work for the reward the less attractive it is. The more and *earlier* his internal script goes off the rails the less sure he is of what to do next. Once again, crime prevention is different than deciding to play knuckle tag with another person. Do something useful, do it immediately, and do it 100% seems to be pretty good advice. As Napoleon said "I might lose a battle, but I will never lose a second"
@@OptimusSledge most of them werent neither. With the exception of Jeff and Ramsey non of them fought professionally. And Ramsey is retired since 2011
You have a really good ear and speech apparatus, that "time's ticking" impression was spot on. PolyglotSeth channel when? Ps Nice axe! You may want to consider shooting a Fokoš episode with Russ Mitchell, it's a sorta folk HEMA stuff, really dope
Did this years ago with similar number of runners/attackers, rather than the sprint I went for knocking down a pile of stuff so the attackers went for the door to a room, then I went out a window and leopard crawled about 500 meters to the evac point. I did need cardio instead of stealth for several other attempts though.
This still gives the players too much advantage: knowing they will be attacked. How about doing something similar to Among Us and will be assigned randomly and in secret the attacker and player. Setting could be the same but with the attack happening in a given span of time (say between 0 - 45 minute initial window of attack but of course you don't have a timer with you unless you are an attacker) and you just go about your ways during that time just having a tour of the place. Still has that sense of knowing an attack would happen but with more uncertainty of when and from who.
All in all its been a great event but i think with it over, i feel it should be polished and more specific to the core ideas, martial arts infkuenced challenges, or realistic set self defense, with scoring and other things made with this in mind etc, does get me thinking and get excited at what could be done. Maybe they should have had the participants input and agree on more of the specifics?
Every Sensei I've ever asked has always said if you can just walk away. Better to lose face than lose your life. If you can't walk, just hope you went to a Dojo and not a McDojo.
Someone I knew who watched this episode said, "Don't get yourself in compromising positions, and have a gun on you." This also coming from a heavy-set dude who apparently thinks he's the Toby McGuire Spiderman of guns as if he'll have some on him 24/7. The ladder statement from the same guy also, "If I die, I die." The moral of the comment, projecting self-absorbed narcissism gets ya nowhere...
@@ajshiro3957 I get that, but in the Family Feud survey of answers, it would still be number 1. The fact that every single person got 0 points in this exercise shows that if you were actually faced with this scenario, of multiple attackers coming at you with knives, without a gun, you are likely dead. The odds are so stacked against you here. In places where you're not allowed to own a gun, it's not what would you do in this situation? It's how would you avoid this situation? ie. don't go out by yourself, don't go to places where there's not a lot of people, etc. But in THIS specific situation, without a gun, you're dead.
@@ajshiro3957 Which is why i am glad to live in texas in the us. I can carry a gun almost everywhere besides the obvious government buildings and schools
Yeah but like... what if you're a lifelong athlete who's been outrun only once in his entire sports career (baseball, soccer, swimming, track, tennis, racquetball, and ultimate)? Like faster than at least 99.9% of people across the entire country who have run against him? Like some guy who could run around with you in a 10'x10' room until you starve to death without getting hit? And what if he's the reigning hide-and-seek champion ahead of both Saddam AND Bin Laden? Is it okay for him to run? Asking for a friend. PS - Love your stuff - just being a goofball. Keep it up, brother.
So I think running away is still an option, and people shouldn't be lead to believe that running away from a fight isn't possible. It IS harder than one might think, but it won't be as hard as Seth's scenario. In Seth's scenario, those dudes *knew* where people were going to end up, and the attacker's whole goal was to catch you. In a "real life situation", an attacker's goals are a lot more nebulous. It could be they want something from you. It could be they want to hurt you. But even if they wanted to do those two things, how far they are willing to go and what they are willing to sacrifice would vary. In this safer space type of situation, the attackers knew and controlled a lot of the variables. In a life situation, the attacker doesn't know if other help might be around, if you might be carrying a knife or gun, and so on. Maybe the attacker is an opportunist, and when the opportunity's cost gets too high its just not worth it for the attacker. Not that you can count on this, but imo these are all factors that go into what eventually could happen.
very good points. most the time an assailant has a reason, something they want from you, and theres a calculation thats been made. running can give you the opportunity to change some of the variables, and subsequently the calculation. entirely situation dependent ofc.
Yeah, the old "throw your money in the other direction and run opposite of that" will probably work as well in some scenario. But yeah, running away should still be part of everyone's list but make sure to add "create a distraction, then run".
The attacker might not know where you're running, but neither are you. Your instinct is to just wildly flee in the opposite direction. Not only do you have to successfully lose the assailant if he chases you, but then you have to go back wherever you were headed without running into him again. You also have to turn your back to the assailant, which is a bad idea, and I guarantee 99% of the "just run" guys are terminally online reddit users who think they're smart but couldn't even run 100 metres without collapsing. If you think running away is a good idea, guess what? You have to practise it.
Well, it depends on your fisique... if you're a small guy like me (160cmx60kg) is waaay easier run from a bigger opponent than fight him (also: irl, usually you don't need to outrun them until the orizon; you just need to reach a shop, a bar or something... a place where other people can help you)
this would imply track runners, soccer players, swimmers etc. are automatically good at fighting lol. at the end of the day, yes if you cant run either, you will struggle to run away, but thats such an obvious point that its pointless.
I found several episodes of Street Sharks on RU-vid and figured my boys MIGHT be interested. Little dudes loved it, and I got a nice hit of nostalgia, so it was a win for the whole family (minus the wife, haha). Absolutely loved the show and the toys when I was a kid!
This looks fun. In Mexico the local small van busses get robbed in a small space. Look at the camera 🤳 footage. It's normally in estado de Mexico. You ll look up "rateros" microbus estado de Mexico. The footage is worth breaking down.
