A lot of these dudes say they have love for Tupac in his face but then go behind his back make some subliminal diss records to go against them and this is what he was talkin about🤦🏽♂️
If Suge was on the streets they would not say his name because they never knew where he was going to show up and have them heading out the back door or climbing out of a window to get away.
word karceno sayinh he came in with ll, ll was 4 albums deep in 92. joe waa a graffiti artist and amatuer winner at showtime at the apollo. thats how he got put on
Not going to lie that idea came to my mind as well. I can't help but think that some of the people that Pac supposedly claims informed him that it was Biggie's people that set him up at Quad might have actually been some of these guys riding with Terror Squad in jail supposedly looking out for Pac. I mean I know it's a stretch, I don't have any proof of this but it's just something that came to mind.
Joe is alright but it was about punisher. Tupac ended a lot of careers; he even ended people in R&B career. He was checking every thing on real or fake. When he checked out ; a lot of extra thugs came out the wood work. They think we forget how it was. A lot of people will be messed up to find out there favorite Rappers would’ve never came out if he was in the race. Tupac had plenty of demboyz shook.
if im not mistaken isn't Hit Em Up the only official diss record that was released while Pac was alive everything else came out after...? Nd Pac had diss tracks with his name mentioned like Drop a Gem On Em nd a freestyle DMX did. Pac got killed just right when rappers started to get back at him.
@@jeremiahwilliams7630 GO ON TO DOGGIE DIAMONDS PODCAST ORIGINAL TERROR SQUAD MEMBER CUBAN LINK INTERVIEW. IT EXPLAINS IT ALL. I ALREADY HAD WATCHED THE WHOLE INTERVIEW LAST WEEKEND. IT WAS INCREDIBLE HE WAS EXPOSING JOE LEFT & RIGHT
@@dmxisbetterthantupac6528 Makaveli is DMX poppa. DMX took lots of elements from PAC and was successful but never made the lasting impact his greatest influencer did.
@@5thdawg917 That's when he blew up... he was underground with DITC and Terror Squad before then... only real hip hop heads knew of him back then... he was never a great lyricist, but he was a street cat with that rugged appeal... everybody in his both crews were better than him lyrically... Big L, Lord Finesse, Big Pun, D-Flow, Cuban Linx, etc.
Pac did not start that beef. Biggie dropped"Who shot ya" Was even wearing pac's stolen jewelry( yes he was, just look it up) then sent some hitters to DPG video set because he thought pac was there. All this is before hit'em up. You gotta stop acting like bad boy didn't want any beef. When puffy is on a mixtape dissing pac as well. RIP to both but stop the lies ceno even though I rock with you💪🏾🤣
Stfu if it wasn’t for big pac would’ve been in more trouble than he was already in if he didn’t hide pacs gun yeah big did that pac was just a hot head that thought everyone was against him
I don't blame Pac because they dropped the song right after he got shot in NYC in my opinion that was one of the catalyst that started the East Coast West Coast beef.
Bruh they all feared Pac, they all knew they had no chance going against Pac.. Biggie verse on dangerous MCs Ain't nothing compared to any diss track pac dropped.
Big pun 2pac Biggie Top 3 for me 🇵🇷🤙🏼🇭🇹 And ice t is from NEW JERSEY perfect bridge And dont get it twisted fat joe doesnt speaks for us NY RICANS We ride for pac and pun not joe
Yeah Fat Joe started off with "Diggin' In The Crates Crew".......D.I.TC. Crew was consistent.of Bronx rappers except BiG L being from Harlem. The members was "Lord Finesse", "Show Biz.& A.G.", "Big L" "Diamond D.", "O.C.", & "Fat Joe " & "Shorty Long". Dont sleep on D.IT.C. was furious during the 90s. Fat Joe once he drop Da Gangsta & became "Joey Crack" that's when Joe blew up. I think it was the "Don Cartegena" album. I personally favored "Jealous Ones Envy" album. The production on that album was fire. Then him & Pun formed "Terror Squad". I dig T.S. but i thought Cuban Link was next to Pun was the best member of Terror Squad. Go back & listen to Cuban's mixtape freestyle....oowwwweeee somebody call the fire dept.......!
Diddy is always about the money. He could care less about Hip-Hop as a culture as long as he can profit and cash in on it. Jeru the Damaja warned us about this yet no one bothered to listen.
@@demonrash5449 it happen due to common sense in use to love her and ice cube and mack 10 got mad diss common on slaughter house. Common killed them on i see the bitch in you.
Yo Ceno please explain to me how the beef got started with me and my baby mother I've been struggling trying to find a solution c'mon bro drop a video on this subject
Tupac would've crush biggie and fat joe because once pac started being makaveli his lyrics change he became more venomous with his lyrics his voice started changing the words got more harsh I don't think nobody could touch pac because after all eyes on me he was on another level every time I listen to me and my girlfriend and bomb first it kinda make me wonder if pac would've live how far he would've went with this beef because hit em up destroyed biggie
You know what you’re talking about. I don’t know what that other dude was talking about cause had Eazy had signed Fate Joe,Joey Crack would’ve been larger than what he was back in the 90’s. Real Hip-Hop heads back then knows that Fat Joe was an Underground Emcee who was linked to the D.I.T.C Crew.@@APrinceofThePower
What’s the back story to puffs response to hit em up. Because puff is portrayed as being the guy to tell everybody not to respond to pac but then he had a response to hit em up
It's crazy how biggie and pac approached the beef. Biggie was throwing bars at Pac like it was just a on wax beef lol, Pac threw his shots like this shit is personal and if I see you it's probably onsite which I don't blame him. Even with the quad thing I think if who shot ya doesn't get released and Biggie don't call the radio station basically triggering his muscle to do something about Snoop , dogg pound and pac shooting a video in NY thinking Pac was there, I honestly don't think the beef would have got serious on Pac end.
Also, biggie did not explain to pac why he shouldn't mess with the A team prior to the quad studio. Biggie should have visiting pac in jail and hold him down there as well. It would have smoothen and squash this east vs west coast hype.
He was just riding for the East. I've heard Joe say Pac was the realest ever. It probably wasn't that personal. DMX made a diss to Pac also. I ain't mad at those dudes for it.
Fat Joe said he had diss songs for Pac with Biggie but after his conversation with Pac he said Pac explained why he was pissed with Biggie & Joe got where he was coming from and Joe said he couldn't put those songs out after that. I don't know why Joe still talking about this like he needs attention or something.
This guy is just missing the whole thing. Joe has always had a connection with Brooklyn. Joe calls himself The Puerto Rican version of M. O. P. Joe has done crazy songs with MOP ("yeah lil Fame up on prospect, nahh them my people, nahh, love wouldn't disrespect" - Biggie) and Gangstar, they are all DITC! I think he's in Blahzy video "When the East is in House" which is an "East" NY, Brooklyn anthem. So Fat Joe has always been in the Mix with Brooklyn artist.
Ook. Now it makes sense. (Putting 2 & 2 together)Biggie's The Ugliest verse made Busta Rhymes take the song off The Coming to avoid Beef with Pac so Big gave it to Joe instead.
@@maroon9273 facts. Nas claims the elevator was stuck(cause he was at the building for the recording of this song) but I wonder if he actually wanted to avoid the song cause of that
What’s the back story to puffs response to hit em up. Because puff is portrayed as being the guy to tell everybody not to respond to pac but then he had a response to hit em up
Method man from what I heard him say in the past doesn't really like Puff. But I guess he was staying in his lane as far as the deathrow bad boy beef was concerned
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Let's be honest alot of them ny dudes was scared to speak on pac and death row cuz of street politics when they had to leave outta town.They acted like they didn't care about the beef when they really did but were scared to act.It's just pointless bringing up shit now when you didn't do it back then
Pac only got locked up in NY once from my recollection. He got shot, went to court, got locked up then went went to prison. That's when Fat Joe looked out for him. When Pac got out n got with The Row, he really started to go in on NY that's when Fat Joe started to dis Pac. The time line is outta wack. Puff didn't care if Bg dissed Pac bc he was dissing him himself. Puff had a lot to gain from it. Big didn't want to take it there. OAN Wu Tang was deep as fuc back then the used to mob niggas. It wasn't just the group.
NY still being cool with Pac during the beef is 🧢... there were mad cats feeling some type of way about him at that time, even if they won't admit it publicly... just that he died so soon afterwards, all was forgiven. The beef was never squashed when he got got.. but we let it go.
That's not true new York had love for pac things was just messed up around that time but pac was cool with rakim Eric b method man Redman bootcamp clik mic genoromo ja rule Greg nice plus he got family in queens
@@trutherjay8447 also pac had no issue with gangstarr, keith murray, wu tang (rza), big daddy kane, whodini, melle mel, freddie foxx (bumpy knuckles), busta rhymes and naughty by nature. Even people on the East coast was riding with pac during that beef with biggie.
I remember when fat joe came down here to Miami lol with that n word shit mind you Latinos down here was mindful of the n word lol fat joe learned the difference between New York and Miami real quick back then lol
This is clearly a hip hip fairy tale. Hit em up was released in june of 1996, Tupac died in Sept 1996 so thats about 3 months Biggie and Fat Joe allegedly recorded these tupac diss tracks.Fat joe said in a recent interview that he and big recorded about 8 tracks and none would see the light of day because they were dissing tupac. Tell me who records 8 diss tracks on one person.Big and Fat Hoe so tight and you cant find onw pic of the two of them together. Karceno wasnt in that circle at the time so whatever he's saying is obviously second hand and third , 4th hand rumours.
I was about to click off till I got to about 16:30 mark. Same issue with Nas if you dissed me you should have said it to my face. Pac told nas I dissed but I will remove it from mackavelli wow I didn’t know that about fat joe
Love the way you spit that Big verse.. “Your shit just got that louuuuuud” As much hype as Pac get, he wouldn’t/couldn’t touch Big’s on that MC battling shit, nope.
Yo I have no idea where you got your info from but Joe knew Big before he was Biggie. He gave him his 1st show. Also the 3 of them Big, Pac and Joe were all 3 together when Big and Pac did the freestyle the “where Brooklyn at” Joe was next to go after Big Daddy Kane and he handed the mic to the wrong person. Joe was signing to bad boy but then relativity records caught wind of it and they paid A lot of money to Joe and Puff said go there and get that money cause I can’t match that but Crack knew Big way before he knew Pac.
Dam I try hard to listen and deal with you sometime but dam all these interruptions and shit you be having goin on like dam what's next you take a break while talking go sleep wake up like man then stop for phone calls and other stuff but I do like the voice actions you be doing of people lol
He came to New York straight up on they turf however he did it he did it . New York been and will stay taking L’s .side not that’s why puff most likely didn’t mess with fat joe knowing he made tracks with big and later to become the first hop around NORE
@@APrinceofThePower that’s not saying a thing ? What’s your point by that besides hate ? I’m just saying though but saying nothing but your feelings . He born east class left east coast smashed east coast came back with west coast and NJ . He came he saw he conquered! Period that’s why every time something new for pac comes out the have to remix some biggie busllshit . Just saying FACTS!
