Not lyrically. Tupac wasn't going to be able to respond lyrically. Do you mean smoke with a gun? Because that would be all he would have been able to do.
@@ATATURKdusmanlarininAMK_NJ The time when Tupac wasn't lyrical, which is why he had Deck removed from I Got My Mind Made Up. The time when Tupac's verse on California Love is weak and can't compare to Jay-Z's Empire State of Mind.
@@keyuantejohnson4373 u sound like a bitch ass nigga you corny as fuck was you there when he got his manhood took you a female who gossips like a hoe weirdo
And that’s Jay Z‘s Achilles hill right there no matter how big he gets people always say when Pac and Biggie was around you were not ever in the conversation. went unnoticed.
2Pac is my favorite rapper. I'm so glad I grew up in the 90s and remember 2Pac when he was alive. Pacwas the only rapper that had music that made u happy, sad, angry, cry, and DANCE!
Dude!!! The only that died and me cry like my brother died . Man I was sick and had to call out cause my heart drop to my stomach. I was listening to him my whole teens years
Not a lie told. This history revisionist types seem to forget that some of us were alive back then, and were old enough to be outside. We know who the giants were. If niggas didn't die, the whole pecking order would look alot different right now. Even the sh## about Beyonce. It ain't far fetched. Jay was getting Biggie (Charlie Baltimore) and Nas (Carmen) sloppy seconds back then, because he wasn't on that level to get first dibs. Pac likely would've pulled Beyonce if he wanted to, because if he lived, he likely still would've been the biggest rapper/movie star/label owner/mogul going into the new millennium 💁💁💁
Beyoncé would have most definitely been another notch in Pac’s belt. He ran through all of the who’s who’s in the industry at that time when he was alive
You sound like a beta male Bit*h saying what another man wife would be with. Black man wake up & be a damn leader & help lead our damn youth better than sounding like a damn female Wendy Williams.
It’s deep but i question his integrity when it came to BIG because he knew who lined him up to get robbed amd shot but had dumb fans believing BI had something to do with it,when he knew he didn’t and knew it was Jack and them,but still went on the magazine and blamed Big and we call that snitching where we from and Pac is from the same place so he knew better.
Haven’t heard anyone literally break it down like this! You’re spot on Big Gipp! Nothing against JAy Z, but this is for the people in the back that continue to make him bigger than what he is!
@@JKorver So if you do your research and go learn about all the slick underhanded stuff Jay Z did against the entire rap/hip hop community as a whole. You will see why he is where he is. He took out the competition. Those of us who are old enough remember back to when we thought Jay Z, Nas, DMX, and LL Cool J were gonna do great things together. Three of those people just kind of fell off. Then years later we find out that Jay Z was messing around with their release dates. Go look at their interviews. We see how he did Dame. We all knew him and Beyonce didn't make sense in the beginning of their relationship. Just looking at the age range and when Beyonce started in music. She was groomed for Jay Z and we all know it. Hell look at her. She has lost all of her true friends in this game, just like Jay Z. Replaced them all with industry plants. Jay Z also dropped a dime on the black label owners in the 90s who were all working together to build a distribution company. All those labels ran into MAJOR PROBLEMS after Jay Z dropped a dime on em.
I never forgot when Tupac dropped "Brenda Got A Baby" and everyone was shook. It lead to us having some very deep conversations. I didn't find out until not too long ago it was a true story.
That's the kind of power 'Pac's music has... others have it to, but not as deep and powerful, not as potent to the hearts of Black people in the U.S., as 'Pac, IMO...
@@brickflipper5273 Respectfully, he’s the goat due to longevity..biggie & 2pac passed away , he wasn’t better than those two ..they were younger than Jay z more relevant at the time also ..they were well ahead of him in 96’
@@T_83-1 Jay dropped his first album in '96. He JUST started. The fact that he was even on Pac's radar as basically a 'rookie' in the game should tell you all you need to know about Jay's greatness. He was coming with or without Pac present. Never understood why people use that weak ass point to try to discredit Jay outside of just hating. Also, love from women has nothing to do with rapping. The fact that Jay could be as successful as he is WITHOUT women being a large part of his demographic is MORE of a testament to his greatness lol. Jay's legacy is bullet proof. Just tip ya hat and give it up. The man dominated the game like no one has before.
"Let no man separate what we create." Written by Tupac in the concrete floor in the backyard of his mansion. Mansion later purchased by DJ Lethal of House Of Pain and Limp Bizkit and he preserved the concrete and turned it into a table shrine that is inside the mansion now.
@@jolyfrye1871 That just further proves his greatness and legendary status. The masses still talk about Pac today and it won't stop for decades to come !
@@djhardcorproductions6132 yall hating on Jay Z to praise Tupac Loki that's corny that's why Jay Z saw the money he made from his albums and Tupac was getting his money took by suge
Pac used to chill with these cats when he was in Atlanta..They know how he gave it up. 💯 Goodie Mob one of my all time fav groups. Got me thru the hard winter of 95' "Soul Food" 🙏🏽
@@djones2417 pull up Pac recording the record Living the Good life telling them to let goodie mob in get them chairs to sit and whatever they want….That man knows what he’s talking about
Tupac was "electric." That's the best and most accurate description of him yet. Electricity can kill everything around it or light up the world. That was Tupac.
I agree. I've seen people who knew him say he was "poetry in motion," "full of life," - Busta Rhymes, and I think "electric" fits him well, too. He had an energy that was charismatic and attracted you. Not many people have that.
this what people don't understand lyricism - it's not just about wordplay it's about the feeling, emotion and heart behind the words … Very FEW MCs had and have that
@CEELOW3000 100% agree. So many MCs today we have all the wordplay... so much technical skill... but no feeling, emotion and heart… passion… behind what we are saying.... we are rapping with great skill about nothing: abuse of drugs, meaningless sex, materialism and violence against each other... hip-hop we are directing such vehement violence at each other... and killing each other... because of our worship of material things: jewelry, gold, platinum, diamonds, luxury cars, one stupid hype brand after another... putting these things above human life, which is far more precious, and is priceless... as KRS-ONE said, The word is the power of the universe... do not doubt it’s power… Word is life…. However, misused, it’s deadly… properly used, it can be miraculous… Our words should breathe life into each other…We are falling short… Our lyrics are lacking respect for that power… our generation is lacking unity, love and compassion for our brothers and sisters, which I do believe ‘Pac explored heavily in his music, poetry and good deeds… not denying that he wreaked havoc with his spoken word, as well… Well, I think there are topics far more worthy of a poet's attention, than drugs, sex, material things and violence... I think there’s a place for drugs, sex and material things in their proper context… but there’s far too much of it in rap in the wrong context… balance needed… hip-hop’s been saying it since Scott LaRock R.I.P. … Self-destruction you’re headed for self-destruction… that’s one of rap music’s defining struggles… and one of our defining struggles… the quest for balance… Will we ever find it?
facts you don't believe what they saying or feel it . that's a talent that Pac had that's overshadows lot of rappers that have technical rapping skills like Jay Z or Nas@@XandiMusic
Lol says it all my nigga, these niggas really think Jay can hear em from up top where he at 🤣🤣🤣🤣...He don't even see have these niggas and they get in they feelins
@@seandeans1279 lol exactly, like Jay said most of his shit goes over niggas heads. This shit as straight forward as u can get n niggas still don't get it 💯
I’ve Always said the same thing 💯💯 Jay z is 53 yrs old We got to see everything he accomplished and created but Man I’m telling you if 2Pac had made it to 53 just imagine everything he would’ve Done 😢
He was too dumb to do any of it.. He wasn't a business man, he never thought for himself. He was basically Kanye West of the 90s.. A walking contradiction and a dick riding hating ass nigga. That's the reason he died broke.. He was a puppet..
TBH he probably would have caught a charge and had to sit down for a 5 or 10, them folks was getting sick of his sh!t and the public would have been too...If he didn't change his ways he was bout to be excluded from movies an all, so he would have been just another DMX WITHOUT the drugs
@@bigdawg1372 PAC and DMX were 2 very different cats. Tupac was 25 when he died coming off a 2 year period in which he caught a false charge and sent to Rikers, and got blasted 5 times with clear lethal intent on his life. Pac had the world against him. When he came out of jail and handed his soul to Suge, he was full of rage anger emotion and fear. He was not living easy at that time at all. By 30 he’d have been a calm level headed OG. That pac wasn’t the real pac, and we all have those phases in life when nothing smooth, when the bit** leave you when you lose your job when you suffer setbacks and heaffuc**.
He's right. He said when the giants was walking the earth , the game was different. Plus JayZ rap carrer would've never elevated over Biggie and Biggie was under 2Pac's mercy.
NewYork rappers was so crippled after HitEmUp that when Pac died NewYork lost hip hop to Atlanta and never got it back. Now NYC is emulating the Westcoast gangbangers. JayZ is more camel than goat.
Rightttttt because jay z production was boom bapish like, the game was intense at the time. The southern artist were moving units on their own locking up the midwest and south, new york was a lil stagnant at that time,then the mafiaoso style came in
I was 27 when pac physically stopped walking this 🌎 unless u was around in them days some will never truly get it . I respect others opinions but for me it's always gonna be pac it's sort of like trying to explain Jordan vs Lebron unless u was in that Era u will truly never understand. Much love to everyone on this 🌎 that ain't out to shit on the next. We all got our favs so whoever u rock wit rock wit 'em....peace to all.
Totally,understand ur point…I grew up in that era…PAC s energy, passion and presence made him impossible to ignore , even to those not,following the rap game
Ll cool jay def changed it forever maybe you can say will smith but LL is def credited with bringing it mainstreet and Hollywood pac also but I’d put LL before pac
@@learner5090 of course but kurtis blow didn’t have movies tv shows multiple gold and platinum albums and also pac with the movies that’s where I’m coming from and see it more to the masses also will smith was bad back in 84-85 classic hip hop
Period. PAC was electric and a star without the money. Very smart and was a hot topic cuz he had what most ppl can't even tap into. He was a true Gemini ♊. That alone shakes a room. Rest in peace, always going to be relevant.
Most rappers don't have a plan past rap and seeing how Jay managed to make music, get the checks, get the awards, build a successful business empire and marry a woman who made him better, these older guys can't stand it. Who is to say Pac would've evolved with the times? He was at his peak when he died, and it's unfortunate, but a lot of monsters have come out since then. X, Nas, 50, Em, Kanye, Wayne, Jeezy, T.I...etc Jay deserves his flowers for staying in the conversation for over 20 years.
Cause most rappers can't substain the success like jay and I'm not knocking it s*@t it's hard to put a hot album let alone 10+ dude really is like a savant even before he dropped a album he had the best overall flow.
Man it’s wild bro u thinking like me like wtf am I’m reading in these comments people supporting this hating shit. Goodie mobs bitch would of been with jay or pac he should of said that too
Exactly so no matter how less you are, you will still grow to stardom of a certain level because you have that gift that people naturally gravitate towards you. And most people get that misconstrued for greatness
So we living in make believe! Let me jump on the wagon.. Len Bias would’ve been a hall of famer .. Kobe Bryant would’ve been the greatest movie director ever .. shit I would’ve been retiring from MLB if I didn’t get locked up.. let’s keep going!
@Terry Jeff Right they pretendin now. Folks just don't know how to say they like 2pac more than Jay z flat out. It's OK folks. 🤣😂🤣 Gipp don't like Jay z from what I see
@@dzgroove9 Or maybe some people can actually see. He was around both of them so I'm sure he know of all the crooked shit Jay had to do to get there. But Jay as an artist is top 10. I wouldn't put him over Pac tho. I'm not riding the Jay-Z and Beyonce bandwagon. I rock with authenticity.
Jay z this Jay-Z that won't y'all get of jay z dick. What type of man is worried about what other man wouldve have another dudes lady. That's some straight gossip girl beauty salon talk and I'm not surprised it's coming from a dude from Atlanta.
Nas was ranked higher than Pac too, but he didn’t ask about Nas because his name doesn’t tilt the algorithm the way Jay’s name does. Shit is too easy to see. Set the trap, and dude went all the way in.
Nigga roach stick to the subject at Hand . Aint nobody talking bout Nas.. if that was the case. What about Big L.. Krs 1, Rakim.. I mean these people #thetruthaintinyou #andthatorder Simpleton
@@adambarney1137 Those rappers weren’t ranked higher than Pac on the list dmbfuck. Of course they weren’t brought up. Pay attention and quit acting like an emotional broad.
@@paulmahsahn1766 No shit. His first album was released 2 years earlier. So what. Special Ed was doing his thing before Nas. What point does that serve?
It’s amazing to me that they say only reason why Jay Z is who he is is because of Beyoncé that shit blows me .. Jay Z became that dog it is what it is .. Tupac was Great but it will forever remain a mystery, who, or what he would’ve become give Jay Z his props for surviving and thriving .. he did it in the middle of DMX is Apex. Ja-Rule Apex He did it in the middle of Lil Wayne’s Apex. He did it in the middle of Kanye West is Apex. He did it in the middle of Jeezy Apex. He did it in the middle of T.I Apex. He did it in the middle of Ludacris Apex. He did it in the middle of Rick Ross Apex. He survived the juggernaut 50’s burning scorch. So on and so forth.
Yeah he can get his props. Just not no #1 spot on any hip hop/ Rap list when Tupac, biggie and artistes like those existed. He should see his way to #15 or so on such list.
Jay Z dropped reasonable doubt a classic when biggie and Tupac was alive. I listen to all the music PAC has ever dropped. Tons of classic songs, heartfelt music, but I’m not so blind that I can’t see another brothers light Jay Z was going to be who he became regardless.
@Avery Diggs Yes Jay Z would but HE WOULD NOT BE AS BIG NO FUCKING WAY WITH BIG AND PAC ALIVE HELL NO!!!. HE TOOK ADVANTAGE OF THEIR LOSS AS HE SHOULD AND STILL FUCKING BEHIND NAS BROTHER. JAY WHO??? 😅🤣😂. EMINEM DROPPED HIM ON HIS OWN SHIT, LOST TO DMX WHEN THEY BATTLED, DIDNT SAY SHIT TO PAC OR PRODIGY ON WAX OR FACE TO FACE LITTLE PUNK.
Facts @ Big Gipp is keeping it real & letting the world know the truth & people that know music & the Industry already know this. Nobody was fucking with Pac when he died & if he would've lived it would've been the same thing. Pac was gifted & naturally talented & the dude was a Genius (intelligent) & ahead of his time. Pac would've been Bigger Than Life if he never died. Same niggas that was beefing with him, wanted to be him. They started dressing like him & took his style smh lol.. Pac was a true trend setter. R.I.P to the Greastest 2 Pac
I 1st saw PAC in Digital Underground video, Same Song, instantly I was drawn to him! Mesmerized by his lyrics, his delivery, & his unique looks. I've been mezmeized ever since. He's been my Guy from Day 1! Love me some Tupac Shakur 👑 💙 💙 💜
2Pac was genius with his words from conscious rapper but also Thug Life Rapping plus 2pac was raised by The Black Panther Movement they were highly intelligent people
All facts! Dude was definitely ahead of his time. Let's not forget he was trying to get into politics as well. Dude stood for a real cause. Jay is just a entertainer. Pac was Black Panther! Just that alone puts Jay in the nose bleed section of the stadium. I never entertained those list no way. It never made much sense in my opinion. Too many great artists out here to try and figure out who is greater over the other. That's like Having the Superman vs Batman conversation. Most would probably pick Superman. But then others would find more appreciation in Batman because he is skilled in getting the job done without all the super powers. One might argue that it takes more effort. All opinionated.
Pac clearly had potential. He didn’t do any of those great things though. Pac wasted his shot chasing tail and trying to be a gangster once he got a crew, because he previously took some beat downs. Coulda-Shoulda-Woulda. “Penitentiary is full of promise makers; didn’t realize the precious time that bitch niggas is wasting.” He wrote it, but still couldn’t stop it.
Yeah...Tupac had a unique charisma that not many human beings have.Dude was different.Had that diamond personality.On the flip side, having that kind of shine makes you a big target, tho.Nobody can spot a light easier than the people who dwell in the shadows.It hurts their eyes.They have to put it out.
Use to be in the house with dj. Speedy while he was downstairs playing the video games.. Speedy called him up after we finished the song and he listed and said i was the icing on the cake... This guy is definitely true in character and his words are also from the heart
You really can't compare the two they are totally different energies and spirits one thing Gipp left out about Jay Z he went beyond music Rocawear S.Carter sneakers changed the fashion game I love em both plus what's the greater than achievement man and woman creating a beautiful black family can't knock Jay for having a wife
The only thing people say Jay got over Pac is lyricists, they don’t talk about the emotional impact Pac had, the impact he had over the people in general, like the brother said the heart Pac has in his music, the different levels of topics Pac can talk about. It’s no comparisons between the two. It’s like saying Steph better than Jordan because he shoots better. That’s just one aspect of the game💯
@@LarryBonson I Literally named two other things besides emotional impact. But you probably ain’t see that one tho you might wanna go reread my comment
@@fruitpac Didn’t Nobody Discredit Lyrics We’re Just Stating That’s Lyricism Isn’t The Only Component When It Comes To Being The Greatest Rapper of All Time. And Your Damn Fool If You Believe 2pac A Mediocre Lyricist If That Statement Had Any Validity We Wouldn’t Even Be Having This Discussion. But I Can Tell By Your Name That You’re A Jealous Old Mf of Pac That Lives In His Momma Basement. No Man Will Have Control Over Me How Pac Has Over You. You Really Sat Down & Created That RU-vid Name As A Man You Should Be Ashamed Of Yourself. You Really Got A Secret Homosexual Crush Of Pac Frl😂😂💯
Big gimp sounds like he been locked up in the dungeon since the 90's. Jay has elevated since the 90 and is still 🔥 on the mic in 2023 🎤. Thats talent and greatness.
A whole bunch of mofos been "fire" on the mic. that don't make u GOAT. Jay z music don't do shit for the soul n heart. Tupac is Bob Marley... Jay Z is Sean Paul.
Big Gipp on sum big facts 💯..... Who knows what woulda been? But it wasn't in the main man's plan... Pac da greatest of all time & da Ali of rap..... He told us he was just like Ali did!
