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I recently went to MIRA with Michelin and discovered the tyre fitting advice most people get wrong could end in disastrous result. We also had a fantastic demonstration about just how important correct tyre pressures are.
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@jovialgent9963
@jovialgent9963 Месяц назад
As a 20 year tyre fitter I'd encourage everyone to check their tyre pressures once a week but also inspect the wear of each tyre. Thread depth gauges are readily available & don't be afraid to ask a fitter to look over your tyres if you're in any way worried. You can save a lot on fuel costs over a year & a regular check can stop you getting into a nasty avoidable accident! Tyres are your only contact with the road, don't skimp on them!!!
@long_view
@long_view Месяц назад
Good point re the only contact with the road. I know that not everyone can afford premium brands, but I stretch to these with the best ratings.
@northstar1950
@northstar1950 Месяц назад
Tyre temp is another factor.
@andrewnorris5415
@andrewnorris5415 Месяц назад
Indeed! As young man the alloys on my AX GT sometimes leaked a lot of air. It happened to a rear one once. I hit a pot hole on the straight in the wet at 60mph and it send me into massive oversteer on the other side of the road! I had to gather it up quickly as a car was coming the other way. Phew! All due to that low pressure in one rear tyre! Modern cars are great now, using the ABS speed sensor, they can work out the pressure, give a readout and sound a warning.
@andrewnorris5415
@andrewnorris5415 Месяц назад
@@Yumbutteredsausage Low weight cars are the best! Plenty of grip on cheaper tyres. They often stop faster than way more expensive heavy cars and do not fad out so quickly. Can get away with smaller discs and tyres and same if not better performance. Heavy cars and an indulgence that costs us in every way we can imagine. Small low weight = fun and cheap.
@johngibson3837
@johngibson3837 Месяц назад
​@@andrewnorris5415 Colin chapman would agree
@stevenrotherham6443
@stevenrotherham6443 29 дней назад
If we are talking about a typical FWD car, the other benefit of putting the old tyres on the front is that you can then wear them out faster before the rubber gets old, hard and even less grippy. Otherwise if you leave them on the back of some lightweight hatchbacks, they may never wear out until the rubber is so old it is actually dangerous
@bargibargibargi
@bargibargibargi Месяц назад
15 psi is huge, "most" people would notice that much of a difference. 5 and 10 less would be interesting to see
@petercrisp2573
@petercrisp2573 Месяц назад
Yes that would have been a useful comparison but he has made the point that reduced tyre pressures add rolling resistance and hence fuel use. It would have been good to know the actual psi for each too.
@mespud6753
@mespud6753 Месяц назад
Most non petrol heads I know can’t tell when their tyres are completely flat, so why do you think they would notice only 15psi under inflation?
@raydavison2972
@raydavison2972 Месяц назад
I think you would be surprised.
@steventhomas9461
@steventhomas9461 29 дней назад
Modern day cars pick up low pressures, my BMW has sensors to overcome this issue and it wouldn't let me get my tyres that low in pressure.
@Yhoothoob
@Yhoothoob 29 дней назад
​@@petercrisp2573 Approx 2 ft per PSI.
@Trebor2024
@Trebor2024 28 дней назад
You have simply confirmed what I already knew about tyres! Any responsible driver would already know this!
@PetrolPed
@PetrolPed 27 дней назад
Read the comments. Sadly not the case 😢
@Trebor2024
@Trebor2024 27 дней назад
@@PetrolPed exactly! There are so many people who can operate a car but they are not responsible drivers, muppets behind many steering wheels!
@DGQ1Q2
@DGQ1Q2 14 дней назад
@@PetrolPed I agree, I repair my car myself, and I have fame in my street, and I asked where you put new tires, my neighbors said in front. 🙄
@kazhilly
@kazhilly Месяц назад
I recently bought a used car, 7 years old with just 30,000 miles on the clock, and the Original tyres, dried out and cracked with No grip... My garage made a mistake, or let’s say this was a misunderstanding, and they only ordered 2 tyres instead of the 4 I asked for, so they fitted the 2 New tyres on the front, And I now know exactly what you mean. Good video!! I have Always been told for Many years to get rid of the Front tyres, move the rear tyres to the front, and fit the new tyres on the back. And your video confirms that that is the right way of changing tyres per pair of 2, Thanks.
@PetrolPed
@PetrolPed Месяц назад
Wow 😮
@synthwave7
@synthwave7 Месяц назад
I check my pressutres every Sunday of every week - 52 times a year for 4 cars - mine, my wife's, my son's, my daugter's cars.
@thromboid
@thromboid 13 дней назад
Very diligent, and improves your changes of finding an issue before it becomes a hazard.
@RadenVijaya
@RadenVijaya 13 дней назад
Cool! But I think you should train your boy to do it himself 😅
@neilwisnewski7013
@neilwisnewski7013 Месяц назад
Thank you brother. Many years ago, I was doing 50,000km per year in a lightweight FWD car with 60:40 (F:R) weight distribution. Every 6 months I would fit 2 new tyres to the rear and put the old ones on the front. My tyre shop asked where I wanted the new ones - they disagreed with me but did what I wanted anyway. My tyres were always fresh, and I never had any traction problems.
@fritsified5952
@fritsified5952 Месяц назад
⁠@@nigelhorton1837Did you even watch the video? 😅
@Anrirua
@Anrirua 23 дня назад
​@@fritsified5952The more pertinent question is did you???
@briangriffiths114
@briangriffiths114 Месяц назад
That was very useful and I now stand corrected after having got it wrong for almost half a century!
@PetrolPed
@PetrolPed Месяц назад
Glad it helped!
@Grant.G.Simpson
@Grant.G.Simpson Месяц назад
i knew all this from being a fast fit centre manager years ago, really opened up my eyes about everything tyre related, makes me shudder to think back to being 17 when i went for the cheapest remould, 1 at a time only when really required (change it or 3 points stage) never checked pressures unless visably soft or even punctured, shoddy patch repair later and i drove like Ayrton Senna every road all the time......smh....im amazed i never took myself or anyone else out. Tyre safety/info and wheel changing should be a half day course as part of the test for learners to pass, it will reduce accidents and maybe worse
@PetrolPed
@PetrolPed Месяц назад
Lots of people still like that today 😢
@bobphillips2188
@bobphillips2188 Месяц назад
I have a friend who never checks tyres OR oil level!!! He says, 'They do that at the annual service, don't they?'. This is SO wrong, obviously. He says he doesn't have much luck with cars - I wonder why... I was a tyre fitter in my youth, and at 67 I still spot cars with underinflated tyres, and will often leave a note, or speak directly if I can find the owner (admittedly only if that is relatively easy, but). It is clear to me that by far the majority of people rarely if ever check tyre pressures. It seems that is always, somehow, somebody else's job. Drivers seem to have forgotten, if indeed they ever knew, that they are the only person responsible for their vehicle's state of safety, ie, tyres - both wear and pressures - and engine functions (an engine seizing at any time is a disaster, and an alternator failure could be a real problem) as well as, basically, everything else! We have to assume, for practical reasons, that the steering/suspension joints aren't going to fail between services and-or MOT tests, likewise brakes. But people simply assume far too much about the state of the hundreds of moving parts that make their cars go, and stop. Caring about your tyres, if you are one of the majority of those who just don't care, makes you a nerd, a geek, somehow weird. I tell people that simply KNOWING your fuel consumption figures can give you the earliest indication that something isn't right. A binding brake caliper, a faulty fuel injector, seriously low oil, a slipping clutch, and tyre pressures all affect fuel consumption. Why people are so uninterested in such things is beyond my comprehension.
@DontPanicDear
@DontPanicDear Месяц назад
Agreed 100% I know people like this too. I struggle to keep my mouth shut 😂
@thomasclayton169
@thomasclayton169 Месяц назад
I agree with you 100%. Sadly technology in everything is marketed to us that it will make our lives easier when in reality it makes us collectively as a society lazier and dumber. Disclaimer here I love cars and to the average population looking at my cars (2013 Holden sv6 commmdore) trip computer and playing a game of trying to get the lowest fuel consumption scores on every drive through smooth defensive driving and i love the trchnical aspect of driving and being one with my car and understanding how it works. At 200,000km I'm only partly into my second set of brakes and cars long term average is slightly less than 10l per 100km or 35 mog with a 70/30 mix of suburban highway driving. Why anyone does not car about maintenance oil or tyre pressures is beyond me. My car is essential to get me to work and get me around in our vast land of Australia. My car is like a valued family member. I love and care for it as it rewards with low running costs and reliability. Above all else safety behind the wheel is my #1 priority.
@alliao82
@alliao82 24 дня назад
people can only get shafted so many times to work up the courage to care, many just give up and hope for the best lol
@chrisburn7178
@chrisburn7178 20 дней назад
Yes I feel exactly the same. I would also add that the safety of yourself and also the hundreds of other more vulnerable people around your car are affected by ignorance of maintenance. As a cycle mechanic I see the same thing - almost everyone aside from enthusiasts rides with flat tyres, a rusty chain, and almost completely inoperative brakes.
@Slartyfartblarst
@Slartyfartblarst Месяц назад
From cycling, I know only too well how tyres can dramatically affect rolling resistance and handling. I check the tyres on my daughter's and wife's cars. By testing tyre pressures, I’ve discovered slow punctures. I normally change tyres in pairs. And I too used to put new tyres on the front, but not any more! An informative and fascinating video.
@mvnorsel6354
@mvnorsel6354 Месяц назад
True, the bike explains tyre pressure the best😅.
@RicoShae1983
@RicoShae1983 16 дней назад
As a mechanic myself, I’ve been saying this to customers for years. However, it’s regularly met with, “..a mechanic I know says they have to go on the front, so I want them on the front..”
@PetrolPed
@PetrolPed 16 дней назад
👍
@warrmr
@warrmr Месяц назад
Very good information, some of which is already known but nice way of presenting it. I did find that the biggest difference in tyres was changing from some cheaper brand tyres to Michelin (or a known brand) made the biggest difference. I had Juno tyres on my car when I bought it. They were either a hard compound or very aged (getting on for 8 years when I replaced them). Those tyres would spin up in 3rd gear at 60mph, trying to get any kind of power to the ground was terrible they would spin up in the slightest bit of rain. As they wore down towards the limit they got even more sketchy, I could be doing 15-20mph round a small island in the damp and even without trying oversteer and that was with 2mm of tread. Replaced with Michelin PS4 (NOT PS4S) only did the two at the rear first and massive improvement, firmly planted and very predictable nothing like the Juno tyres with the hard compound. You have to be pushing really hard or doing something silly to get oversteer which is how I like it. Front tyres started cracking in the treads (aged Juno tyres) so got another pair of PS4, handling upgraded even more lovely balance. Now I have gotten through the tread on the rears in about 15k miles so decided to wack on a pair of PS5 now and I cant really tell the difference between the PS4 and the PS5 but will be upgrading the other two to PS5 when the time comes. Another important thing is tyre rotation that many people overlook or just ignore completely. You will get much better wear out of your tyres by rotating them from back to front (RWD) or front to back FWD. You will get through 2 -3 pairs of tyres on the drive axel for every 1 pair on the non drive axel, if you rotate them much more balanced wear. IMPORTANT, cars with a HALDEX type and system like the golf will freak out/get upset if the tyre tread is more than 2-3mm difference between axels so tyre rotation is more important on those cars.
@andrewbrown9460
@andrewbrown9460 27 дней назад
I used to be a tyre fitter and have been trying to tell people for year what you have just shown. Great explanation.
@PetrolPed
@PetrolPed 27 дней назад
Thanks 🙏🏻
@peterb2149
@peterb2149 Месяц назад
Thanks for this useful information. For many years I have driven front wheel drive cars and logic has told me that the best tyres should be on the front as these wheels handle the steering, acceleration and most of the braking. Your video has certainly given me food for thought! Excellent advice on tyre pressures, I check regularly and from new my 7 year old Prius has averaged 65 mpg and and some journeys on A & B roads I get 70 to 75 mpg.....combination of correct tyre pressures, Bridgestone tyres and a light right foot.
@peterb2149
@peterb2149 Месяц назад
Thanks for the "like" Ped. Your video has got me thinking! You showed the Golf handling badly with the old tyres on the rear, and new on the front......but surely, those old tyres were on the rear before the new tyres were fitted to the front and this would mean that bad handling would have occurred before the new tyres were fitted, possibly for months or more? So, does this mean we should always fit 4 new tyres every time? It also brings into question what I think Michelin said about keeping tyres until down to the legal limit, surely? I always change mine before that as I am sure there is evidence that as tyres wear the performance and stopping distance reduce?
@js-hl5hv
@js-hl5hv Месяц назад
Before I start, I agree with the tyre pressure / rolling resistance (I am an engineer). However, the test itself is difficult to reproduce accurately. 1/2 mph difference equates to 10% longer to stop at 10mph. The normal way to do the test is at 3 different speeds, and curve fit. Aero is proportional to v^2, and rr is constant. 1/2 mph difference at 60mph is about 1.6% difference. OK, this is a nit pick - but it was a good demo. Really enjoyed this one. More......(please)
@PetrolPed
@PetrolPed Месяц назад
It wasn’t meant to be a perfectly scientific experiment 😜
@sridvan
@sridvan Месяц назад
Or to change the car rather than deflating the first cars tires 🤦
@roysoutdoorlife
@roysoutdoorlife 22 дня назад
Many moons ago I had a puncture from a pot hole and chucked the spare on (remember when we had spare tyres?). The difference was immediate - although the spare was inflated correctly and a standard size (not a space saver), the tyre was quite old and I had immense torque steer! It was brutal torque steer, and I first thought that I had other damage from when I hit the pot hole. Got the tyres changed and had the car checked over. No other issues were found, including the alignment, and 2 new matching tyres cured the torque steer. The lesson? Not only should one check their spare is inflated and legal - check the age too!
@PetrolPed
@PetrolPed 22 дня назад
Yep 👍
@philipcardin292
@philipcardin292 Месяц назад
Ped, great video. Over here in the USA, most reputable tire retailers won't sell a single tire anymore. They will only sell pairs or all 4, and as you found out, the new ones MUST go on the rear. Your test validated all of the rules that the tire sellers and manufacturers have preached for years. Good work on your part, and thanks to Michelin.
@rabp419
@rabp419 Месяц назад
Tyre 😂
@PetrolPed
@PetrolPed Месяц назад
Thanks for the info!
@PointNemo9
@PointNemo9 Месяц назад
So what if you bought a brand new set of tyres recently but then suffer a puncture? Do you have to buy a full set?
@DontPanicDear
@DontPanicDear Месяц назад
@@PointNemo9 Some % of wear differential is always going to be tolerable. Porsche suggest 30% is acceptable on their vehicles for road use.
@Fozzymandeus
@Fozzymandeus Месяц назад
New tyres can’t go on the rear if you need new fronts, and you have staggered fitment.
@tobysatch973
@tobysatch973 Месяц назад
Such a useful video. Been driving for 45 years and always wondered about front v rear. My two schnauzers can sleep safely in the back - oh and of course the missus in the front!
@PetrolPed
@PetrolPed Месяц назад
Glad it was helpful and the schnauzers will be safe 🥰
@michaelgoode9555
@michaelgoode9555 Месяц назад
I have a reminder in my phone calendar to check the tyres at the start of every month. I also check them visually every time I go to the car via a walk-a-round and if I am going on more than just a local journey I check the treads and pressures. I run Michelin Cross Climate 2's on an VW EV (swapped out unevenly worn oem Contnientals when I got the car secondhand) and I run the pressures 2 psi above the recommended. The economy of the car exceeds manufacturers numbers and there is as far as I can tell no detrimental effect on handling or braking. Decent, well maintained rubber may well save your life one day.
@paullinnitt5450
@paullinnitt5450 Месяц назад
Not sure why you choose to increase the tyre pressure. Manufacturers do hours of testing to set these optimally for grip, economy and wear. You might not notice a difference until you are involved in an emergency.
@markgambrill
@markgambrill Месяц назад
@@paullinnitt5450 The pressure set on the sticker in the car are a catch all for that model car. You will often find that a manual 1.0 car has the same pressure setting as a dsg 2.0 car even though the latter is 100kg more. Then add in the luggage and passengers. Also the way the tyres are made and the varying models of tyres. They deform differently. There are many reasons to alter the pressure of the tyre and the number on the car is simply a good starting point.
@paulriggers1558
@paulriggers1558 Месяц назад
mechanic with 44yrs in trade, i will always fit the new tyres up front... when you hit the water on a flooded dual carriageway at 90mph, you want the best tread on the front, tyres below 3mm just won't clear the water. aquaplaning is a scary + dangerous thing. good tyres [michelins for me] on the front save my bacon about 10 times a year. a loose rear end is controllable, loss of grip at front is a trip into the barrier, or worse...
@markgambrill
@markgambrill Месяц назад
Aquaplaning the front only, the car will tend to go straight. Aquaplaning the rear only, the car switch end quick quickly. The safety being discussed here is about retaining the predictability in the car for the general masses who are not interested in handling and performance.
@paulriggers1558
@paulriggers1558 Месяц назад
@@markgambrill the section of road i use to work has a steep bank+ a curve, i literally see one car a year aquaplane off it, as soon as the car skates, the "general masses" hit the brakes and they are gone. i drive to my car's limits in the conditions, but some BMW drivers [in particular] think really wide tyres make them grip better in heavy rain, that goes wrong quickly...
@simonelliott5956
@simonelliott5956 26 дней назад
@@paulriggers1558I can send you a picture of a 5 series BMW that aquaplaned on the M1 in front of me, he lost the back end and hit the guard rail and then shot across to the inside, barrel rolling multiple times and taking a road sign out along with a lump of concrete the size of a phone box. It finally came to rest, in the outside lane on its roof. I stopped safely about 30 yards behind it in my own rear wheel drive BMW having hit the same patch of water. Fortunately the driver was unhurt and I was able to get him to crawl out the where the back window used to be. His car was that badly damaged, that when the fire crew turned up to the scene, they didn’t believe he got out and was sat shaking in my car with an off duty police officer. The difference? He braked when the car went light and I didn’t, plus I’d say he was doing closer to 85mph and I was closer to 75mph. The police later charged him with driving under the influence of drugs, which could have accounted for his actions, I was never asked to go to court as a witness, however both my statement and that of another driver were given in evidence.
@leakyboatent
@leakyboatent 26 дней назад
I agree Paul. 80-90% of a cars braking ability is in the front end. I know where I want my best grip!
@markdawson4625
@markdawson4625 26 дней назад
Completely agree with you. All professional drivers (police to name one group) will change tyres at 3mm because they still retain the ability to push water out of the way on the front.
@SteveN-pw4dj
@SteveN-pw4dj 14 дней назад
Great to know i have been sorting my tyres correctly since passing my test 35 years ago 😮 Never made logic to me to put new tyres on the front and let the rear ones get very old...
@phillwainewright4221
@phillwainewright4221 Месяц назад
Personally, I always replace all four at once when they're worn. If I get a puncture I replace just the spare. As a former HGV and PSV driver, I am well used to doing a walk-round check so I know my tyres are in good condition. I'll check the pressures about once a month at the petrol station. Even more fun than drifting a car on a low-friction surface is driving a double-decker bus on a skid-pan! You should try it.
@richardhargrave6082
@richardhargrave6082 Месяц назад
Thanks Pete, I do check my pressures on a regular basis, probably not as often as I should I noticed that some cars I've had with low profile tyres felt different if the pressures getting low. Notably the Abarth 595 on 17"s and Alfa 147, also on 17"s They were very low profile for the time, but they still felt different to me until I corrected the pressures The fuel consumption is better too. I would have said the same as you about fitting the new tyres at the front or back, I've only put the new ones on the back if they really insisted, I think we all thought they were trying to sell more tyres! I have always said, get the best you can afford, I put cheapies on my first car, a mini and nearly put it in the hedge in the dry! Even worse in the wet. Sold it shortly afterwards... I think Michelins are the best all round brand, they last well too. Its just that the initial outlay is high, but worth it, if you can afford it
@nekite1
@nekite1 Месяц назад
My local independent garage owner told me years ago about putting new tyres on the rear. I've been a customer of his for 18 years. Zero bullshit, good advice and reasonable prices.
@danieltilbury4419
@danieltilbury4419 Месяц назад
There's a RU-vidr out there that put all seasons on the front and summer tyres on the rear in snow. It's a lethal combination and I've actually seen cars with that set up.
@DontPanicDear
@DontPanicDear Месяц назад
I’ve seen that 🤓 It’s the same oversteer balance that is advised against here, just x 💯
@PetrolPed
@PetrolPed Месяц назад
Wow 😮
@kentrustee12
@kentrustee12 28 дней назад
Always check your tyre pressures after getting new tyres fitted - in my experience the “professionals” inflate every tyre to 2.5 bar regardless of the correct pressure.
@paullomas6803
@paullomas6803 Месяц назад
Great video as usual. About three years ago I had a discussion with a tyre fitter at Costco and he said they only fit new tyres on the rear. He tried to explain why this was and I got the general idea of why but this video is a lot clearer as to why it’s correct. I always replace an axle at a time but I know plenty of people who don’t. I only ever buy Michelin. Cannot scrimp on the only part of the car that touches the road.
@shaunsmith8494
@shaunsmith8494 Месяц назад
Great video and demonstration. I work in an industry where company provided vehicles are normal with my type of role and I’ve had so many disagreements with lease companies and company vehicle coordinators about this subject. I even had a Ford service centre want to put one new dissimilar tyre (completely different brand, tread pattern and about 5mm of depth difference) on my van and flat out refused to drive the vehicle if they did that. Long story short, I ended up getting the company policy changed to same tread pattern and similar tread depth across an axle.
@jonnyabba25
@jonnyabba25 Месяц назад
Oddly I learnt this from a film that (I think) Mike Brewer did around 25+ years ago for channel 4. Been telling everyone for years, thanks for confirming it Ped!
@Ireallydontknow8581
@Ireallydontknow8581 Месяц назад
Agree about putting new tyres on the rear makes car better cornering. However when do most cars need the best tyre grip on the front? Heavy / emergency braking. I would much rather to be able to stop quickly. The test needs repeating looking at breaking distances then decide where the new tyres should be fitted.
@DontPanicDear
@DontPanicDear Месяц назад
In the dry, worn tyres stop you faster. Most people don’t realise that. As it’s dry way more than wet, even in the UK, we want the new tyres on the rear. Also, when it’s wet, you know it, so can drive to those conditions.
@senseofthecommonman
@senseofthecommonman Месяц назад
@@DontPanicDearwhat rubbish
@DontPanicDear
@DontPanicDear Месяц назад
@@senseofthecommonman Replying in that manner when you don’t understand something is pretty poor form and I’m not prepared to reply in similar fashion. I admit I didn’t qualify and explain every point, but it wasn’t supposed to be a trap! Everything above is verifiable and old news. Is there any way that you can explain why ANYTHING I’ve said is rubbish?
@petetasker8599
@petetasker8599 Месяц назад
⁠@@DontPanicDearwhy do worn tyre stop faster in the dry? Because they’ve got more grip. So as it’s dry more than it’s wet why not put the grippiest tyres on the back and the ones able to shed water best (the new ones) on the front?!
@DontPanicDear
@DontPanicDear Месяц назад
@@petetasker8599 It’s a good question 👍🏻 Tread block deformation triggers abs and dsc prematurely on new tyres. They are too squidgy 🤓 On dry roads, even tyres with 1.6mm legal min do better laterally and longitudinally. The wetter the roads get, the more it becomes safer to have an understeer balance, as it’s safe and predictable. This means newer tyres at the back, as deeper tread starts to have more influence. In the dry, it seldom the case that you’d need to exploit the difference. In the wet everything is magnified and more accidents occur generally. Best stopping in the dry = new on rear. Safest in wet = also new on rear. Only in some aquaplaning situations is it better to have new fronts. However, you’ll still likely have a spin with worn rears. Best to slow way down in very wet conditions, especially in the dark / high spray. If you do hit a deep puddle at speed, you’ll be reliant on a degree of luck and nobody wants that 😱
@trev8591
@trev8591 Месяц назад
I check my tyres every 2 weeks (along with fluid levels), but I'm ex-Forces and we're programmed to do this sort of thing!
@DontPanicDear
@DontPanicDear Месяц назад
As well as many other things I’m sure 👌🏻
@trev8591
@trev8591 Месяц назад
@@DontPanicDear Yeah, can't help it!
@ricka006
@ricka006 Месяц назад
Need to show this to my other half. Finally might make her see sense 😂
@PetrolPed
@PetrolPed Месяц назад
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@MrSCOTTtheSCOT
@MrSCOTTtheSCOT 28 дней назад
My old man who's advice I follow always said buy in four when you can when you buy only a pair the new tyres go on the rear because you want the best grip on the back to stop the back end sliding out. Answered before you hit the skid pan.
@patrickporter6536
@patrickporter6536 20 дней назад
Don't agree. Oversteer is easily dealt with, understeer not so much.
@MrSCOTTtheSCOT
@MrSCOTTtheSCOT 20 дней назад
​@@patrickporter6536 I should has stated for FWD cars , he gave this advice because you have the engine and drive assembly over the front pushing the front wheels down onto the road providing better contact with the front tyres, while the trailing axel has an empty tin box above it so you want better grip at the back, what he used to say to me in my Celica GT was stick a bag of cement or sand in the boot to have weight over the rear axle to provide better grip and handling, but who is going to do that , , a bit inconvenient, so the better grips / newer tyres proved the better benefit on the rear. He was born in 1936 , a DOT mechanic & MOT tester for Lorries had is own Haulage firm and a Taxi & wedding limousine business. As a family we had a crazy amount of cars to our mums consternation, "is this a home or a car dealership " . He crashed 1 car a M2 2.8 Capri in 82 , which caught black ice on a bend where our new home was been built and it flung him up the bank on single track farm road. But we had cars at our home non-stop he loved working on cars so his advice has stood me in good stead and the rest of the family. The biggest caveat to good grip is driving at the correct speed for the road conditions and not speeding at all , because for most people you are probably putting your grip levels beyond your ability to control the car your driving should something unexpected happen that causes your tyres to let go , unexpected substances, particularly diesel or oil common where trucks favour a filling station and come back onto roads with tanks over filled and leave a nice slick on the bends to and onto roundabouts or slip roads , or hydro planing in heavy rain with wet surfaces. Any way stay safe.
@c7uk
@c7uk Месяц назад
Conversely, overinflated tyres will roll further still, but I s like driving on ice. It’s important to inflate to the specs of the car, _not_ the max written on the tyre wall
@georgedaville4662
@georgedaville4662 13 дней назад
Good video Ped. I always assumed new tyres on the front on FWD and back on a RWD! On my company cars which were all RWD I used to put 2 sets on the back as opposed to one on the front! The problem with BMW run flats was that the tyres went off before they were worn out and the lease company wouldn’t change them !😡
@Scalbow95
@Scalbow95 Месяц назад
On a fwd car id always put the new tyres on the front first, if theres a defect on the front likely to be more disastrous. Whereas like ive had before a rear tyre blew out, no problem just coast and pull in. But steering and everythings on the front. *Check tyre pressures *Make sure tracking aligned anytime relevant suspension gets changed
@charlesstewardson8546
@charlesstewardson8546 Месяц назад
When you have an xdrive BMW with different size front and rears,, the fronts normally manage twice as much mileage as the rears but BMW state that there shouldn’t be more than 3mm difference between the tread depth front and rear to avoid drivetrain damage. I’ve just replaced my fronts with the rears only 20% worn but that’s another factor to be considered when changing. Some systems force you to change front first.
@user-ol5zt9bt9i
@user-ol5zt9bt9i Месяц назад
Over the years I have changed my mind on ratation of tyres. Used to rotate the 5 tyres and check pressures when refueling. Yes proper cars with a full sized spare, what fool changed that concept. Now days being a bit lazy ratation is 4 tyres and pressure checks still at refueling. Unfortunately, being retired this happens about every month which could be a problem. It also means that the spare is the original tyre and is only used if there is puncture and is replaced when the puncture has been repaired. The point, no point but have noticed the inside rear is the trouble spot for picking up nails or screws, not suprisingly. Ware patten are pretty even so tyre changes are 4 at a time, just have save up a bit more. Thank you for the lessen but I do wonder about off road use, I would tend to put the new tyres on the driving wheels. Would be interesting to hear what the manufacturers would say. Cheers and thanks once again.
@rdavis43
@rdavis43 Месяц назад
Another reason to fit new tyres to the rear on a FWD car, is that if you keep replacing the fronts, the rears will end up so old you fail the MOT for sidewall cracking as the rubber ages out.
@michaellavery4899
@michaellavery4899 22 дня назад
Most people, like yourself, would think the new tyres should go on the front. I know I did. I will be at the tyre fitters tomorrow to rectify this and will suggest they make this known to their customers. In over 30 years of driving, it's the first time I've heard it and I have always asked for new tyres on the front. Could you possibly add a graphic explaining the same applies to RWD? I noticed you said it near the end but feel it could be missed by many viewers. All this is invaluable advice and should be seen by as many as possible.
@PetrolPed
@PetrolPed 19 дней назад
Glad you found it useful 👍
@laurencemoore5737
@laurencemoore5737 Месяц назад
Very interesting. My son has an Abarth 595 and it needs new front tyres - every high street fitter recommended putting the new on the front. But I was always told new on rear and old on front. So, you have just reinforced what I understood so will get them to rotate old rears to the front as the rears are still good Replacing the Pirelli’s from factory with PS5’s of course 😊
@markcourtney7251
@markcourtney7251 21 день назад
Until you need to break hard in the wet! Then you would wish the new ones were on the front! The stability control would almost stop every breakaway he had in the demo. IMO
@15bit62
@15bit62 Месяц назад
If you want to develop an obsession with tyre pressures and quality get a high performance motorbike. You notice immediately if there is something off with your tyres, and you sort it out smartly 😀
@philipparkes5682
@philipparkes5682 Месяц назад
Hi Ped Well done, lot of basic common sense, may be new to some, but does no harm to be reminded. Always check tire pressures on regular basis, and do not rely or refer to TPMS. Always change 2 on same axle. Have to admit to one error many many years ago with modified 850 Mini to put new tyres on front.😥 as I had a habit of wearing them out rather quickly. Having entered a “Motoring News” national driving test event, treated myself to set of 4 1/2 “ J x10 “ wheels and new set of radials being sold under the Esso brand. Fitted in Friday, fronts shredded by Sunday pm. Monday am 2 new tyres on front 🤭 I did win my Class and FTD on one test, so I guess it was worth it.
@EuropaSman
@EuropaSman Месяц назад
13:40. I have Michelin PS5 tyres on my Leon FR, but no way would I wear the tyres down to the wear indicator blocks. For years now garages and dealership service centres have been recommending change at 3mm. The reasoning is to do with wet stopping distances. It's physics; the tyre treads work as a linear pump so to speak, so the deeper the tread, the more water is dispersed from the contact patch of each tyre. I'm afraid on that one I disagree with Michelin.
@PetrolPed
@PetrolPed Месяц назад
Michelin have spent millions on R&D and designed the tyres to operate to the legal tread depth of 1.6mm. They encourage the safe use of the complete tread depth. It’s a huge sustainability message. Garages and dealerships go against the manufacturer of the tyre by saying 3mm. This is an old video of mine but please watch this… ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-HNFNQjsHGxE.htmlsi=UCuwkCpvTfs6SyYM
@senseofthecommonman
@senseofthecommonman Месяц назад
@@PetrolPedso you produce a tyre safety video but disagree with people who change their tyres at 3 mm rather than 1.6. Your video actually proves tyres with lower tread don’t grip as well as those with full tread depth. You’ve had access to a tyre testing facility, prove your point and show tyres with 1.6 mm being no more prone to aquaplaning than those with 3mm.
@MrAdopado
@MrAdopado Месяц назад
More tread depth has an advantage on a significantly wet road. Interestingly however, lower tread depth actually increases grip on dry roads. People who are required to use road spec tyres on track will actually shave much of the tread to improve lap times. More rubber in contact with the surface and less movement of tread blocks means more grip.
@jimcabezola3051
@jimcabezola3051 Месяц назад
Used to be obsessed with tyres for some reason. I was more worried about rolling resistance, so I checked my pressures weekly. Tyres were cheap, so I changed them often. Only NOW has it occurred to be that I spent much of my driving experience in desert climates. Anyway, now that I only ride pedal bikes, I check pressure more than once a week.
@partiallydomesticatedbear7772
@partiallydomesticatedbear7772 13 дней назад
Same effect with putting winter tyres on the front and keeping summer tyres on the back. I had this situation for a couple of weeks on a Leon Cupra in a Scottish winter… eeek.
@jim373
@jim373 Месяц назад
I had an argument with a manager at a local tyre fitting garage a few years back. He was insistent that the two new tyres I was having fitted should go on the driven front wheels and made me sign a disclaimer when I insisted the new ones where fired to the rear axle. I down loaded the tyre manufacturers federation or association guidance that clearly states tyres should be replaced in pairs and that the newest must be fitted on the rear axle for normal cars, irrespective of the car being front or rear wheel drive. I took this in to the tyre fitters and gave the manager his own copy, so hopefully he is no longer putting his customer's lives in danger!
@PetrolPed
@PetrolPed Месяц назад
That happens quite a lot 😢
@ronmatthews1738
@ronmatthews1738 Месяц назад
This is completely logical. Putting new tyres on the front and worn on the rear is the equivalent of putting radials on the front and cross-plys on the rear, which is illegal for safety reasons. Similarly, it is illegal to mix radials and cross-plys on the same axle.
@kenzohkw
@kenzohkw Месяц назад
oversteering into a ditch is preferable to under-steering into a head on crash. Also having more aquaplane resistance on the front with new tyres is preferable as well. So new front tyres is the lesser of the 2 evils.
@talibong9518
@talibong9518 Месяц назад
If you're under steering into a crash you're going too fast for the conditions, rear stability is the most important thing, newest on back, always!
@johnridout8766
@johnridout8766 Месяц назад
@@kenzohkw Only works on left hand bends in the UK. On a right hand bend, you would oversteer into a crash.
@benpenagonzales6014
@benpenagonzales6014 Месяц назад
I got a full set of Michelin cross climate on our old Passat and they were brilliant all year round. Recommended. And you get a couple mill extra to start with!
@PetrolPed
@PetrolPed Месяц назад
Great to hear!
@johngoard8272
@johngoard8272 24 дня назад
I keep a regular eye on my tyre pressures as my 2011 Mazda 6 Sports Hatchback I find is far better on fuel and performance if I have the pressures on all four wheels at 6psi above what Mazda recommend. It does of course means it becomes a tad noisier and a slightly 'harder ride" but the economy is my first priority given the cost of fuel here in Australia. Now tyres I always have regular wheel alignments, tyre wear checks (usually free to me), rotations, and have new ones fitted to all on-road wheels as that regular checking by my tyre people makes the wear so even all around. This also turns out to be a very economical way of keeping down the rate of wear on the tyres and subsequently the cost of eventually buying new tyres.
@nigeldavies106
@nigeldavies106 Месяц назад
Excellent video, like you I thought the opposite, always fronts were the priority. Now I know different, and change pairs whenever possible.
@thevauxhallman7157
@thevauxhallman7157 Месяц назад
Read me tuppence worth @thevauxhallman7157 putting the case forward for all season tyres. It took me years to fathom this out and had stopped me doing 180s at relatively slow speeds on roundabouts, which were always scary.
@senseofthecommonman
@senseofthecommonman Месяц назад
@@thevauxhallman7157scary you couldn’t take a roundabout without spinning.
@thevauxhallman7157
@thevauxhallman7157 Месяц назад
@@senseofthecommonman too right, but touch wood no further pirouettes since fitting all season tyres that's about 8 years now and 2 separate cars. PS that's on Kumho and Goodride, not what you would think salubrious but they've worked for me.
@PetrolPed
@PetrolPed Месяц назад
Glad it was helpful!
@thevauxhallman7157
@thevauxhallman7157 Месяц назад
@@PetrolPed Sorry, I thought I was helping others. I was just passing on my vast life experience on the road. That is what we are on this earth for, my small legacy if you like. I didn't actually learn anything from this video.
@glenniez1
@glenniez1 Месяц назад
I would of liked to see the difference in stopping distances and emergency maneuvering by having the new tyres at the front.
@user-bq7ct8yw7k
@user-bq7ct8yw7k 19 дней назад
Naturally if tyres are uninflated there's going to be more drag and resistance on your car making it heavier on fuel and decrease handling. Very useful and informative video. Thanks for sharing.👍😃
@MrAjjm65
@MrAjjm65 Месяц назад
Evening, Ped and fellow Peddlers!
@PeterKirton-nu9iv
@PeterKirton-nu9iv Месяц назад
This video has just come at the right time for me as I have a puncture on my left front tyre which cannot be repaired as it is too close to the edge. So that is two pilot sport 4s at £230 pounds each and will be fitted to the rear
@Y_Pree
@Y_Pree Месяц назад
230s, someone's ripping you off they should be around the 170s mark
@thromboid
@thromboid 13 дней назад
I'd read recently the recommendation to put new tyres on the back, esp. on a FWD, so it's great to see this demonstrated so clearly! This might also be an argument for regular rotation so that you can simply change all four at once, and so that wear happens more uniformly.
@thromboid
@thromboid 13 дней назад
It probably goes without saying, but without rotation you can expect the front tyres to wear much faster due to their heavier role in braking, as well as steering.
@thromboid
@thromboid 13 дней назад
That's probably where the wrong intuition comes from that one should put the new tyres on the front.
@PetrolPed
@PetrolPed 13 дней назад
Glad it was helpful!
@user-by6qo3md2n
@user-by6qo3md2n 20 дней назад
That was really interesting. Like you, I would've put the new pair on the front! As an IAM National Observer I point out to those I'm coaching that the amount of rubber in contact with the road is typically the size of your palm and fingers. That's why proper tyre maintenance is so important.
@PetrolPed
@PetrolPed 19 дней назад
👍
@tonytcook
@tonytcook Месяц назад
Thanks for the great video. I have a calendar reminder on my phone to prompt me to check my tyres weekly and i do this religiously.
@johngibson3837
@johngibson3837 Месяц назад
Man that's sad that you don't have a one week memory
@tonytcook
@tonytcook Месяц назад
@@johngibson3837 I don’t have a one hour memory!
@PetrolPed
@PetrolPed Месяц назад
That's a great idea!
@davelloyd-
@davelloyd- 22 дня назад
The new tyre circle test was interesting, and whilst I would have intuited front axle also, when you think about physics the demonstration make sense. However, I would like to see the emergency stop test also. I would imagine that under heavy braking you'd want all the grip on the front, especially if you then have to change direction as well. Which should be prioritised; emergency stop and ABS steering, or predictability near the limit of grip? We shouldn't really be near the adhesion limit under normal driving.
@PetrolPed
@PetrolPed 22 дня назад
I am hopefully going back to MIRA to do just that 👍
@Belgarath03
@Belgarath03 Месяц назад
I'll stick with the extra grip on the front wheels, I have no problem with where the back goes as i can always control it with the front. Understeer from my point of view is always the worst option but then I learned to drive in a rear wheel drive car where the back can be twitchy anyway
@PetrolPed
@PetrolPed Месяц назад
Good for you ;-)
@senseofthecommonman
@senseofthecommonman Месяц назад
Totally agree
@MrAdopado
@MrAdopado Месяц назад
... so long as someone doesn't drive their front wheel drive car like a RWD ... because the controllable oversteer that you get with RWD is not like the oversteer with a FWD car ... if you lift off in a RWD car the back comes back under control but if you do the same thing with a FWD car you tend to exaggerate the oversteer and spin the car! So "keep your foot in" with an oversteering FWD but ease off with a RWD. Half the drivers on the road don't even know which wheels their car is driving ... and those that do won't necessarily have the skills to adapt!
@MrTAYTO1
@MrTAYTO1 Месяц назад
NEW one for me, always like you though new tyres on front, learn something new every day ,keep up the good vids 👍
@PetrolPed
@PetrolPed Месяц назад
Glad you like them!
@briansmith9926
@briansmith9926 Месяц назад
This is a great video. This is so important now as the change in our weather we are getting more heavy surface water that can appear suddenly.
@hedydd2
@hedydd2 24 дня назад
I check my tyre pressures weekly on vehicles that do not have individual displays on the dash. One of my vehicles needs about 4psi added to one front tyre on a weekly basis. I tend to run pressures on the fully loaded pressures as recommended on the door sticker. I have a Land Cruiser Amazon, bought new in 1998, that had original Michelin tyres and I had a series of sidewall punctures and I eventually found that the reason was that the recommended pressures on its sticker are four to five psi below what they should be for the load conditions. The sidewalls or the border between the sidewall and the tread flexed too much, heated, and eventually broke down into quite severe punctures. I worked this out before my second set of Michelins and never had a problem again. I was paranoid for a while after I had two punctures in one day, the second being at 2am in the mountains 50 miles from home, having used my spare earlier in the day. For years afterwards, when on long journeys, I carried a second spare wheel aboard.
@alanclarkeau
@alanclarkeau Месяц назад
I walked away from a tyre shop 40 years ago when they said they wouldn't put the new ones on the REAR. I wrote to Dunlop who replied, saying that I was absolutely correct.
@mkolbat
@mkolbat 21 день назад
I'm completely different meaning here. Good tyres on front let you control car, get you uphill snowed/icy roads and most important breaking is good. Sure you have to feel the outbreak back, but this could happen always, also with 4 good tyres. And this is controlled in a modern car by electronic stability control. So as long as the front goes where it should go by steering, the rear is no problem. If you loose control of the front you are passenger and no driver.
@philpoole5670
@philpoole5670 Месяц назад
Fascinating…. About the new tyres the back… we learn something new everyday
@RUNDMC1
@RUNDMC1 Месяц назад
Nice vid! Tyre knowledge generally v poor out there so great to see you taking on the subject. There’s some important nuance on the front/rear axle question though. There is a wet braking performance deficit of putting new tyres on the rear. For most drivers, this is a greater factor than cornering. Your granny is more likely to need to do an emergency stop than she is to be pushing so hard round bends she loses the back. Personally I’ll keep putting new pairs on the front axle and bearing in mind the back could be a little loose in low grip scenarios!
@nigelhorton1837
@nigelhorton1837 Месяц назад
I totally agree with the point about having the correct tyre pressures. But why do the comparison with two different vehicles? Surely, it would been proven more accurately by just reducing the pressures in the same vehicle.
@PetrolPed
@PetrolPed Месяц назад
True but it was just a visual demonstration that was easy to capture on camera. I wasn’t the only one doing the test that day 👍
@brianp7022
@brianp7022 Месяц назад
Absolutely agree... Even more concerning is the sale of part worn tyres.. People are attracted by the low price but how do you know the history of the tyre? It could have been in a severe impact, just crazy that people still think this is acceptable.. Not worth the risk. You don't have to buy top brand tyres but buy new, at least you know!! One more thing... There are tyre fitters and good tyre fitters.. Over the years I've had many new tyres which gradually deflate over months which isn't a problem if you check them, however, top fitters prep the wheel rim by cleaning it before fitting and this is where leaks can occur so worth considering 😊
@DontPanicDear
@DontPanicDear Месяц назад
I do share your opinion. Mostly 👀 However, I’d rather buy inspected premium used tyres, than cheap Happy Gallops / Ditch Finders. (Over 5mm, undamaged / never punctured, with even tread wear and no signs of extreme heat cycling) I’ve bought a set of winter tyres on that basis before, plus I’ve sold loads of perfect tyres, for one reason or another. Admittedly you have to know what you’re doing though and it helps to know the seller. Every used car has ‘Used Tyres’ and few people budget for a whole new set immediately.
@stevenrotherham6443
@stevenrotherham6443 29 дней назад
Completely wrong. Some budget no name tyres are totally dangerous even when brand new and there are way too many different brands from China now to even find proper reviews to sort the mildly cr@p to the utter sh!t. On a very tight budget a slightly worn good tyre is far better
@brianp7022
@brianp7022 29 дней назад
He says with a shipping container full of them 😂
@DontPanicDear
@DontPanicDear 29 дней назад
@@stevenrotherham6443 Tyre Reviews have never found a decent budget tyre either 👀 From all the analysis JB has gathered there, you’ve got to assume they’re going to try and kill you 😕 I once tried some Falken performance mid-range tyres, as ‘Them’ on the internet said they were good. They were HORRIBLE and I took them off and sold them after a few weeks of hating every drive. Never again!
@yordaman1
@yordaman1 Месяц назад
Yep, I had incorrect thinking too, for many years. I did wonder recently, when I went to change my wife’s Kadjar rears (fwd), and suggested to Kwikfit that we move the newer fronts to the rears and put the new ones on the front, but he said not. I took his advice but never fully understood why, but now I do, so thanks for the explanation……and good to know that places like Kwikfit (other tyre fitters are available) do actually offer good advice and aren’t just out for easy money.
@dingopisscreek
@dingopisscreek 13 дней назад
I checked mine 3 days ago. They were slightly underinflated. I usually put them to 2-ish psi above the recommended pressure.
@stewartbrown6869
@stewartbrown6869 Месяц назад
Amz ing never think of tyres in sameway ever again brilliant video should be more info ones like this to learn people about things very well done ped
@charlesholder8009
@charlesholder8009 Месяц назад
The last time I had 2 new tyres and told the Tyre people to put the new tyres on the back, they looked at me as though I was a crazy person. So, educating the tyre fitters is the first step.
@PetrolPed
@PetrolPed Месяц назад
It’s is indeed. There are still some fitter that go against the manufacturers advice 😢
@jeffbrooker5183
@jeffbrooker5183 Месяц назад
Oh my, you are having so much fun conducting the tire study....😂
@tonypowell7529
@tonypowell7529 Месяц назад
Learn something every day, I bet a lot of people didn’t know the differences shown, good video.
@PetrolPed
@PetrolPed Месяц назад
👍
@levestane6383
@levestane6383 27 дней назад
It would be interesting to see more about how part-worn tyres perform compared to new (or different makes of new on each axle). Maybe some of the tests that Tyre Reviews do (wet, dry, snow, ice braking, cornering etc.) would show that new on front or back is not quite so black and white?
@PetrolPed
@PetrolPed 26 дней назад
This is an old video of mine now but does just that. I’m also going back to MIRA to answer questions raised in this video 👍 ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-HNFNQjsHGxE.htmlsi=TUXvyjcUlsuaFWzT
@actuallypaulstanley
@actuallypaulstanley Месяц назад
Having replaced many pairs of worn tyres, the tyre fitters have always put the new tyres in the rear axle; for both front-wheel drive and 4x4’s. Great video too.
@PetrolPed
@PetrolPed Месяц назад
Thanks 🙏🏻
@timk3939
@timk3939 Месяц назад
Great video. On the road you often have bumps, mixed tarmac and adverse cambers too, so the chances of losing the rear end with better tyre(s) on the front is even higher. I've not had a serious oversteer moment for years, but the last one was a spin on a roundabout at about 15mph, and it was very scary, a slow motion pirouette whistling past kerbs and road signs. Terrible Dunlop tyres on the rear were the main culprit, legal but with low tread, and they were a rubbish compound . It didn't help that the car had zero steering feel or seat of the pants feel (a 1993 Vauxhall Cavalier with very artificial power steering).
@baccattack
@baccattack Месяц назад
Tyre pressures on my car are 32 front 28 rear. If they were under inflated by 15 PSI I'd hope I notice! Last checked around six weeks ago.
@armouredtrend7404
@armouredtrend7404 Месяц назад
I think they were just proving it affects resistance, if they did 5 psi etc it would show the point so much
@peterbrooke8103
@peterbrooke8103 Месяц назад
Great video, such a valuable demonstration of how tyres impact the cars handling 👍
@ColinCarFan
@ColinCarFan Месяц назад
Tyre manufacturers should point out the risks and probabilities that lead them to their conclusion regarding new tyres on the rear. The probability of encountering a situation of losing the rear end is low normally but is higher at higher speeds, and the risk of an accident is high if it happens, as is the risk of serious damage/injuries. However, if almost all driving is around town at sub 30/40 mph the risk of losing the rear end is low, but the probability of encountering a situation when an emergency stop is needed is much higher. So new front tyres might then be better to reduce the probability of not stopping in time.
@PetrolPed
@PetrolPed Месяц назад
Michelin test this. Dry braking actually improves as the tyre wears and wet braking is still effective down to the legal tread limit of 1.6mm 👍
@ColinCarFan
@ColinCarFan Месяц назад
@@PetrolPed Wet braking may be effective down to 1.6mm but front brakes will be more effective in the wet with 8mm of tread. MIRA found that in wet braking "at 3mm depth the stopping distance was 31.7 metres whereas on 1.6mm tread it was 39.5 metres" Continental's response was that tyres should be changed at 3mm and Michelin gave a convoluted response that didn't answer the question.
@stephenrussell6074
@stephenrussell6074 17 дней назад
It would be interesting to see the effect of new fronts vs new rears on breaking distance in the wet. I expect this would be a far more common issue for most drivers than spirited driving in the wet as it applies to every significant fast stop. I strongly suspect that for every car wet braking distance will be shorter with new tyres on the front.
@PetrolPed
@PetrolPed 16 дней назад
I am currently organising a return trip to do that very test. Same applies though. New to rear 👍
@stephenrussell6074
@stephenrussell6074 16 дней назад
@@PetrolPed did the cars have stability on?
@ianwilliams15
@ianwilliams15 Месяц назад
Thanks for the videos Ped, keep them coming. I have thoughts on two points in your video that potentially will provoke more discussion and would like your/Michelin's thoughts on. As regards new tyres going on the rear of the car. Was a braking test ever performed with new tyres on the front compared with the back and also under different conditions i.e. wet and dry? If there is no difference in braking distance then I can see why putting new tyres on the rear is correct. However if that is not the case (and logically I would expect new tyres on the front to provide more effective braking) then I would rather have the better braking solution i.e. new tyres on the front. The logic for this is that I can hopefully understand/appreciate road conditions and drive accordingly. I think i am more likely to come across a situation where I need to brake hard (irrespective of how good my observation and anticipation is or isn't) and therefore would want maximum braking efficiency. The second point is the comment about using your tyres down to the wear indicators. Many years ago (and perhaps this data is now invalid as a result of new tyres advances), I read an article in a motoring magazine that had data showing that the grip of the tyres degraded significantly once you got below 3mm of tread, and especially in the wet. I would like to know if this is still valid. If the data is still valid, then I am horrified at Michelin saying it is ok to use the tyres down to wear indicators even if it is for sustainability/ecological reasons. Looking through all of the comments now, I see there are similar points raised by others. It would be interesting to know how worn the tyres need to be to see these effects. If changing tyres when they get down to 3mm avoids these problems, that would be useful. Also, I didn't notice anyone say that you should check your tyre pressures when they are cold. Even a tyre just standing in the sun makes a difference and don't go to a petrol station to check pressures as you will have warmed them up (plus it used to be said that their equipment was not very accurate).
@PetrolPed
@PetrolPed Месяц назад
Michelin design their tyres to operate through the entire tread pattern down to the 1.6m markers. They campaign to encourage people to do this. It’s a big sustainability message. They test their tyres in wet and dry braking. This is an old video of mine now but take a look 👍 ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-HNFNQjsHGxE.htmlsi=yE8-G2REArTVYXTe
@ianwilliams15
@ianwilliams15 Месяц назад
Thanks Ped, that older video was very interesting and informative. It shows how good Michelin tyres are, even in the wet with just 1.6mm of tread. It would be useful if other brands shared their performance. It is a shame that tyre manufacturers do not have to produce the stopping distance values for their tyres in the following circumstances: when new, when at 1.6mm, in the dry and in the wet (obviously it would have to be a standardised test). Those figures could then be put as a label on the tyre along with the existing noise, economy and wet weather performance information that has to be displayed. Everyone could then make a more informed choice on tyre performance, although I expect that price will still probably the most important item for people. Tyre prices seem to have increased significantly over the last few years.
@grahamknibbs5481
@grahamknibbs5481 Месяц назад
Really enjoyed that tyre do’s and donts post Pedro, probably as much as you enjoyed making it.
@PetrolPed
@PetrolPed Месяц назад
Cheers 👍
@magravy1
@magravy1 Месяц назад
Good advice and a good demonstration of tyre performance.👍
@PetrolPed
@PetrolPed Месяц назад
Thanks 👍
@johnkeepin7527
@johnkeepin7527 Месяц назад
Good demonstrations. Car manuals normally recommend rotation every so often to balance wear - my Toyota one suggests every 10,000 km. In practice, I usually ask it to be done as part of an annual service. If you do that, apart from the risk of having to buy a pair after a puncture that can’t be fixed, you’re looking at 4, albeit later than doing 2 replacements.
@evo5dave
@evo5dave Месяц назад
Very informative but were you paid to do this? There were a few too many references to the competence of Michelin and its subsidiary BF Goodrich for my liking. For example 14:22 sounded very much like an advert.
@PetrolPed
@PetrolPed Месяц назад
I am a Brand Ambassador for Michelin but was not paid for this video.
@solentbum
@solentbum Месяц назад
It would have been interesting to see the effect of overinflation on rolling resistance also! I check my tyre pressures every time I drive through the TPMS on the car. It is interesting how the pressure changes after a high speed run or drops in rain, etc. I lost a really nice car back in 1971 due to skidding on legal but well worn tyres, I was waiting for the next payday to buy new. Tyres are all that keep you on the road, they have improved so much in recent years , so always buy the best you can manage.
@DontPanicDear
@DontPanicDear Месяц назад
I think we know what would happen though. The car would roll MILES further, if the same 15psi increment was used as an over inflation. I think tyre manufacturers all want to discourage that kind of activity though, as the car won’t want to stop 😮
@simong-uk
@simong-uk Месяц назад
I'm not too proud to admit . . . I owned a Montego, it made me hate understeer, in the Montego understeer in the wet was NO-steer.
@PetrolPed
@PetrolPed Месяц назад
😂😂😂
@kenzohkw
@kenzohkw Месяц назад
You should be rotating tyres front to back to even out the wear so you can replace all 4 at the same time or you choose to understeer into a ditch or head on crash or oversteer into a ditch. Simples.
@TopRacer2002
@TopRacer2002 Месяц назад
Hi Ped. This was a great video and very informative. I will from now on check my tyre pressure more regularly. Was checking every month. Gonna aim for every week. And I very much agree with putting newer tyres at the back. For the average driver (which I'd say that's 97% of us) it is the much safer alternative also because most people drive cars with shorter wheelbase such as hatchbacks (like my little Vauxhall Corsa D). This type of car can snap oversteer much quicker than a bigger, heavier car (like an Insignia) and it's this I found, like you said, will make you crash if you have new tyres at the front. Seen this too many times in my long gone street racing years. My Calibra had standard suspension and would go into a nice controllable slide as long as i wasn't being an idiot (and I was told that's how the car was built to be. I just exacerbated that tendency. Had to drive like a granny on very wet b-roads though. No disrespect intended). But my mate's Nova would spin faster than a pinwheel in a storm even with sports suspension and grippier tyres hence why he fitted 2 more new tyres the month after. So unless you actually know what you are doing, please, fit the new tyres at the rear. Better a little understeer than a lot of oversteer.
@ahorton6786
@ahorton6786 Месяц назад
What a great example of rolling resistance
@PetrolPed
@PetrolPed Месяц назад
Thanks 🙏🏻
@chrisp4899
@chrisp4899 Месяц назад
I had a go on the low grip roundabout at Mercedes world I was alot of fun
@EmilioBaldi
@EmilioBaldi Месяц назад
On a tyre worn near the legal limit of 1.6 mm of tread depth the stopping distance on wet surfaces increases significantly, even on Michelins, with full depth tread blocks.
@dangreasley7934
@dangreasley7934 Месяц назад
Huge thanks for this one. Fascinating and really useful information re fitting tyres. More of this type of video please. I for one find this type of video very useful.
@johnhutchinson635
@johnhutchinson635 Месяц назад
Great video Pete, I’m sending to all my kids so they understand the importance of tyre maintenance
@rhysmainwaring396
@rhysmainwaring396 Месяц назад
Interesting vid and makes sense re: new tyres on the rear. I know some people who rotate tyres so back onto front etc, although not possible with some cars and offset sizes. I was on Thruxton circuit skid pan in my MX5 the other week. Great fun and teaches you a lot about handling and characteristics of car handling.
@dghackett58
@dghackett58 Месяц назад
Great video and even at knocking on 66 yo I've learnt something new. In March 23 I changed all four tyres at once. In July this year I needed to change the front tyres due to both centre tyre wear and cracking. I have tpms and always check the pressure. I returned to the supplier of the tyres and got replacement tyres for the front. They are a different make. They will be swapped over in the next day or so front/rear. The tyres I use are not the cheap ones as mileage is rubbish. I only did 15,000 miles approx 40/60 highway/local.
@PetrolPed
@PetrolPed Месяц назад
Thanks 🙏🏻
@owenmcdonald5922
@owenmcdonald5922 Месяц назад
Thanks Ped, very informative.
@andysheridan340
@andysheridan340 Месяц назад
Great video, when you say worn tyres on the rear. What tread depth are you talking about, less than 3mm, 4mm? Also your comment about using PS5 down to the wear indicators, PS5 in the wet with 2mm tread depth (on the front, front wheel drive) can be scary in the wet.
@shaun9905
@shaun9905 25 дней назад
New tyres always on the rear unless staggered setup where you can't. With correct tyre rotation your rears would only likely see 4mm before the fronts wear then new on the rear and 4mm on the front and so on.
@paultasker7788
@paultasker7788 Месяц назад
That's interesting. Because in a front wheel drive car chances are your front tyres will wear out first. Tyre fitters will always put the new rubber on the front. Not swap them. Perhaps should ask for them to be swapped as well
@PetrolPed
@PetrolPed Месяц назад
Yep 👍
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