The 'Ugly Starfighter' which (surprisingly) DIDN'T suck | Star Wars Legends 

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How to make an ugly ship 1. choose a cockpit 2. Wing it

A harmonious fusion. Rebel, "X Wing!" Imperial, "TIE Fighter!" Twi'lek, "Why not both?"

General rule of thumb: if Wedge Antillies likes it, it's a good fighter

The Twi'lek Turducken. It's a TIE Fighter inside a B-Wing inside an X-Wing!

This makes me want a slice of life webcomic about a tie fighter and a x-wing who meet during a battle, fall in love, get married, and then have this as their child; and the child growing up.

“Ball cockpit” is a phrase I’m going to use everyday now

Person: would you rather have a tie fighter or X-wing? Twi’lek: yes

What about 4 B-wings on a rotating cockpit. Unlimited power. -Better yet 2 b wings on a sun crusher-

An Ugly that really isn't. It's kinda graceful, in a way.

Another "Ugly" I think was an overall good fighter was the "Clutch" starfighter. It was from the book "I, Jedi". Described as a tie ball cockpit being clutched in a hand of trifoils. It had shields, lasers, ion cannon and missiles. Fairly versatile and some even had hyperdrives. Corron Horn used it to great effect in the book. In my opinion.

You see, when a tie fighter and an xwing love each very much...

What about the X-ceptor? A hybrid between the X-wing and TIE interceptor. It was that decent, but not perfect.

So this was a re-manufactured fighter. Given a few years and generational redesign and improvement, this could have been a champ fighter. Also looks like a StarFury (Babylon 5)

The Invid Clutch was a pretty good Ugly as well, from “I, Jedi”. A TIE ball cockpit with cutbacks on the side for improved pilot visibility with three wings in a inverted Y shape. Incorporated basic shields and armed with two laser and one ion cannons.

What would a Jawas-designed starfighter look like?

Ugly Starfighter - An abomination of the glory that is the X-Wing. :P

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The TIE wing is underrated. If anything, putting powerful engines from a heavy ship onto a light TIE hull should make it extremely fast.

I would be very curious about the fuel cell arrangement for the uglies. The chir'daki probably dropped the TIE cannons for fuel. Having six engines going can't be fuel efficient...

"I'll try spinning, that's a good trick!"

Those starfighters wouldn't be so ugly if they had Raid installed in them

That artwork made me laugh when I saw that AT-ST head with TIE panels strapped on it 🤣.

I love this idea, it could still use a few tweaks IMHO but combining the best of both a Tie and X-Wing is an excellent idea

When I was younger Star Wars was my only real safe space, I love watching your videos because they connect with me on a deep level. I love learning about the universe that fundamentally shaped me as a person this channel is my favorite for that reason. Through your channel I discovered my favorite star wars era the New Jedi Order along with much more, thank you for that. Loved this video too, uglies are some of the funniest ships ever.

The Gand modified TIE Bombers and the Chir'daki, both from the Bacta War were some of my favorite Star Wars starships.

Thank you for covering the Chir'daki. Definitely one of my favorite Legends fighters. Maybe this will lead to a versus video someday?

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Hope you'll do more vids of these Ugly Starfighters. I find them really unique. Stay AWESOME, Ecks.

so was the collar like the mandalorian's ship from rebels and clone wars where the wings can go in a full 360 around the cockpit

Thanks for sharing this very interesting star fighter. Keep up the awesome work Eckhart!

Haha that Carl Weathers "stew" quip killed me. Nice one Eck

to be honest, if I was making a ship, I would do the following bomber, y wing body with B wing armament in the rear for massive armament boost with the same thruster's and stabler wing's to improve speed and maneuverability mainline fighter (jack of all trade's): X wing body with arc 170 style wing's except Z95 headhunter wing's for the S foil's interceptor: delta 7/ a wing mix with tie interceptor wing's on its side's acting like the Eta 2's wing's if I was making ship's, this is a start

You got in to star wars legends books the same way i did, i also started the young jedi knights series in middle school library, they didn't have every book but i enjoyed. And there was like the first 3 new jedi order books. In high school i started the legacy of the force, luckily my vice principal was a huge star wars fan and he supplied me books when the library didn't have them, and only half of the fate of the jedi series.

Called it. Honestly this ugly is a big part of my affection for twi'lecks

This is also my favourite ugly, it also makes the most sense considering the rebels main fighter was the x-wing and the only standardized tie variant not to use the ball cockpit was the bomber.

The Bacta War has got to be by far my favorite Rogue Squadron books. Glad to see stuff from Legends still being talked about.

There's also the TIE-clutch, built by one of the successor-Moffs' engineers. As I recall it they had a TON of advanced TIEs (and parts) lying around but not the resources to maintain and supply them so they took them to the proverbial chop-shop, hacked out a lot of systems they didn't need and couldn't afford anyway and re-arranged the "wings"/solar panels in a way reminsicent of Chiss Clawcraft. Apparently they performed surprisingly well and didn't need the specialised docking provisions for most other TIE variants, being able to use their bottom panels as improvised landing gear. With a proper design revision, the attentions of a real Shipwright and access to an actual shipyard... well, what could have been, eh?

Like always, great video Eck

Great video, finaly some love for the Starfury of Star Wars!

i just bought a t shirt because i thing your channel is the best out of every channel out there and i like the design of them XD

Got a good chuckle out of seeing that flying AT-ST head on that comic cover.

YES, the stew reference! So good.

Honestly, that Ugly ship of the Twileks that your describing sounds pretty awesome. If they could have incorporated the life support of the X Wing into Tie Fighter cockpit then it could have been one of the best fighters of the era

Another Ugly that I think wouldn’t be terrible was the so called Z-Wing found in legends, which used a Z-95 Headhunter’s fuselage and X-Wing wings. The Z-95 and X-Wing were quite similar to each other in both appearance and roles, so while obviously not as good as a stock fighter, it’s not so far fetched or impractical like combining a Y-Wing and a TIE is. I would absolutely take this design over most other uglies when going into a fight as it would basically function as a discount X-Wing.

I know it's just classified as "ugly" but come on, it's beautiful!

Made that dank vaporwave in intro/outro my alarm and ringtone cuz it's the fucken best

The very same book had another Ugly that was pretty good, the Gand modified TIE bomber that replaced the Bomb Chute with an extra concussion missile launcher and added another pair of laser cannons, shields, hyperdrive, and Interceptor style cutouts in the forward Solar/radiator panels, I Jedi also had Leona Tavira's Tri-fighters which are uglies that end up similar to V38s/TIE Phantoms just with a traditional TIE ball cockpit and an ion cannon on the top spike. There's also the Deathraven, which is two B-WingE2s strapped to a single cockpit with two extra light ion cannons for good measure.

i love the Chir'Daki thank you!

Those kids magazine subscriptions, my older brother had one and so many of them featured in main or supporting, even cameo, boba fett. Like to the point where everyone talks about boba fett being a hidden fan favourite despite having only five lines in the original trilogy, one of which is “aaaahhhhh” but no one really points to a piece of Star Wars media with certainty for boba fetts rise to fame among fans, but I swear it was these novellas. Boba Fett was written like Dutch from Predator, the Predator, the Bodyguard, Hitman, it was nuts. I think our mum still has them in storage somewhere.

You forgot the Tri-fighter, aka, "Clutch". It was a good fighter. It had shields (albeit no where near as strong as an x-wing's), an ion cannon, was fairly maneuverable, and was fairly versatile as well (had room for a hyperdrive to be added, although it required manual astronavigation I think). Corran flew one during his infiltration of the Invids, and he didn't dislike it (still preferred the x-wing, but it was better than other fighters he was familiar with).

"...you got yourself a stew going..." 😆

I remember that it's mentioned in X-wing: The Bacta War, that these fighters have Concussion Missiles. I'd guess they removed the laser cannons from the TIE ball to accommodate them.

I personally like the calor piece they've made, but I like the torpedo launching body of the X-wing with the additions of Tie Advanced wings.

X-Ceptors were X-Wing bodies (engines but no wings) with TIE Interceptor wings. Good speed, TIE lasers and torpedoes packed a good punch. They were pretty decent ships...as long as you used fresh parts.

I was waiting for someone to review some of the "Uglies".

It's really a pit we never got an official artwork of the Chir'daki. It would also be nice to see in brought back in the new canon, since Twi'lek as warriors are pretty well-established from The Clone Wars and Rebels. There's a lot of different interpretations of it, but I would assume the collar for the S-foils had to be mounted toward the aft of the ball (and thus surrounding the twin ion engines), because otherwise it would block the hatch from opening to let the pilot in and out.

Hey, recently found your channel. I wonder if you will ever do a video about battles fought by Revan like Malachor V or other Jedi Civil War era battles?

What's your opinion on the "clutch" tie uglies from the I Jedi novel? Those ones seemed to be fairly well built and utilized, with some even having hyperdrives.

My favorite ugly is the other Y-Tie. It's the cockpit of a y-wing and the wings and engines of the tie. The fighter has the ordinance, shields, and rear gunner of the Y-wing, and the speed of a tie

Babylon 5 called, and it want's its starfury back!

In regards to the QotD, I actually did have a Star Wars Kids subscription. It came with the Star Wars Missions book-based RPG, as a recall. I thoroughly enjoyed both as a kid, but sadly I no longer have either of them.

That ugly is.... surprisingly pretty. Also, I really didn't expect a furaffinity link in the description xD

reminds me a bit of the TIE Hunter my personal favorite Imperial fighter

#AskEck Seeing as it's Canon (partly) through Star Wars: Commander, is it possible that the Galactic Empire's Project: Blackwing had a secret objective of unlocking immortality (possibly based on one of Plagueis's attempts) and used by Palpatine around the time of the Battle of Endor? Seeing as the original version of the virus in Legends was created by Darth Drear in order to achieve immortality for Sith Lords, something Canon Palpatine was looking for due to believing that the Empire shouldn't out live him. I'm probably thinking about this from randomly becoming interested in the Death Troopers novel recently for some reason. (Firth attempt, please answer).

Roll that intro.. Eck having fun lol

I don't know if this is anywhere in canon or even if this would count as an ugly considering how beautiful it looks, but, I saw a model someone had made taking the fuselage of an Arc-170 with the wings and engines of an X-wing. Good god it was gorgeous to look at.

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I kinda like the way the mix of the x-wing and tie comes together. It seems like a very economical way to get a competent starfighter for a planetary defence force on a tight budget.

Hey Eck, quick question: Where and how do you download Star Wars clips for your videos? Do you have to buy RU-vid Red to download videos, or what?

I imagine that any weapons on the cockpit itself would get in the way of the collar and the landing gear. Also, given the effectiveness of the 4 lasers of the x wing and the similarity to another fighter I saw profiled I would say they were viewed as redundant. The spinning weapons of that fighter I mentioned created a killzone that many pilots could not escape from. Or at least I think so...can't find that video.

What about that B-Wing thing that was essentially two B-Wings, slapped together? The Deathraven, I think it was called.

Gotta say, love this ugly. And also gotta say, I suddenly started getting ideas for an alternate take on this XD (essentially taking this and adding another X-wing into the mix, with some additional modifications)

Super effective use of Carl Weathers

X-wing uses an astromech, so how the turducken plot jumps? Can you spin around in the cockpit while it's docked and landed? Does it grow up to become a swan?

love the arrested development reference

Love that arrested development reference 😏🍵

I've wanted to see an SW fighter with spinning wings, and what'dya know, the Twileks have seemingly answered the call! :D

My personal favorite Ugly was the X and Z-ceptor. iirc the Z-ceptor basically looked like one crammed a Headhunter fuselage through a TIE Interceptor cockpit, stripped the Headhunter's wing weapons and stuck'em on the fuselage, and then used the Interceptor's wing mounted weapons. Definitely an attack fighter if ever there was one. Edit: Ah yes, and of course, they were shielded.

If there were some difficulties transferring power between the different modules then it may not have been possible to run the TIE lasers without the power that would have usually come from the solar panels on the wings

So its kind of like the fighter from lost in space movie(with matt leblanc) Which is apparently called the eagle one, bubble fighter. And is also my favorite star fighter.

I miss flying my reverse engineered TIE Guardian from SWG sooooooo much! 😢

What about the TIE Tri-Fighter used by the pirates in I, Jedi? It's less of an ugly and more of a redesigned TIE, but it had two laser cannons, an ion cannon, Shields and the manuverabilty of a TIE.

In the trap book it mentioned Concussion Missiles as they were cheaper and more available than Proton Torpedoes!

There are a few more downsides to this Ugly. Since we're talking about a Tie-Fighter cockpit pod, we only have one viewpoint, which is the large window up front. You still have zero visibility to the sides and rear and would have to compensate with sensors. The rotating wings means you have to keep track while you're maneuvering in tight areas. No astromech so you need to rely on pre-programmed coordinates for hyperspace jumps.

Hey, don't forget about x ceptor, one of my fav uglies, one that i would fly if i had to choose one of those monsters

Honestly I love uglies if not just for their concept. It allows the writers to be really creative as well as tongue and cheek with their starfighters that we all love

What if we have a versus that's The Arbiter and a group (perhaps a fleet, or ground combat force) of various Covenant forces (minus brutes, for obvious reasons) vs General Grievous and a group of various Separatist forces, similar sized forces for fairness. I think it'd be interesting to see different variables come into play, like how infantry square off, Hunters vs. B3 Ultra, Grunts vs. B1's, Elites vs. Magnaguards/BX Commando droids etc. as well as technology, the tactics of Arbiter vs. Grievous, the individual efforts of Arbiter and Grievous (since they are both powerful combatants on top of being Tacticians), fleet advantages and disadvantages etc. I honestly think that'd be an amazing (albeit slightly subjective and hard to put together) versus analysis, I didn't put it very organized or detailed, but I'm sure you could, with your extensive knowledge on both Halo and Star Wars.

Z-'ceptor. I don't know how usefull it is, but that's the coolest looking I've ever seen.

How would the ion engines get power without the solar panels if they are independant from the s-foils?

This thing is the quintesential definition of: something that shouldn't work at all, but it works, incredibly very well

If that hull was in NMS, I'd fly it. It's like the Tie Fighter had this one crazy night with an X wing

I think that they were instead of trying to fuse the electrical systems of the 2 ships together they were instead trying to get them to work together but as individually governed systems splitting the work load

My personal favorite (and personal opinion on best ugly star fighter) is the Y-TIE. It’s pretty much the opposite of the TYE-Wing, aka the worst ugly ever, Eckharts described in the video. It takes a Y-Wing and removed its slow engines with the solar panel sides and engines of a TIE fighter. Basically it combines both strengths: the durability and firepower of a Y-Wing with the fast engines of a TIE fighter.

So I thought of this when I saw the Thrawn option on your poll, but I think it’s a pretty interesting question: Can intelligence be transferred to a clone? Like, from what I know about cloning in Star Wars, a clone could certainly have the same potential as the original, but knowledge isn’t necessarily transferred. So, unless it’s Palpatine inserting his soul into a clone, would they have to be thought everything from “birth” again like how to talk and write and whatnot? I’m not sure a Thrawn clone would be as effective as it would lack the many years of experience the original has.

It actually sounds pretty cool. It would be really cool to see it in action.

A possibility is *ARC-170 wings,* engines and the wing mounted guns on a smaller more maneuverable/compact ship that didn't have three crew (and what did that copilot do anyway?). Stick it on a *X-Wing body* and you have a rocket, albeit with the turbolasers instead of lasercannons. Stick it on a *Y-Wing body* and it's still faster and more maneuverable than a Y-Wing, plus it still has extra nose guns (anti fighter lasercannons), a rear gunner, and a load of ordinance that can include anti fighter missiles. Or just protons or other anti capital ship ordinance with the big wing turbolasers for taking on larger ships. And what if a *Star Wing's* wings were stuck on something? Still, considering how slowly Star Wars tech advances, the best cheap solution would be to just take old, old, snubfighters and upgrade some of the systems. Better electronics/avionics and hotting up the engines seems the best bang for you buck. After all, the Millennium Falcon is damn old and it still kicks ass. There are also probably obsolete ship designs that didn't really work with the technology of the day, but stick on some modern more compact tech and it could solve their shortcomings - for example Headhunters couldn't fit standard astromechs, but the new BB units are far smaller so they could possibly fit with a bit of tinkering and then you have a cheap X-Wing that can calculate it's own hyperspace jumps unlike hyperspace modified Headhunters of the clone wars era that had to use navigation chips. Imagine a ARC-170 (again) modified and upgraded with some X-Wing tech, a ARC-180GTI … Hell, a lot of ancient Sith stuff is better designed than standard Tie fighters, just strip it out and use modern bits and that's a decent fighter.

Z'Cepter.....Needs a video IMHO if one has not been done. If it has I need the link!

Hey ecks. I just finished reading Halo The Fall Of Reach and Star Wars Thrawn and I thought it would be cool if you brought back Battle Breakdown with either Battle of Sigma Oceanus IV or the Imperial Battle over Umbara or the Battle of Scrim Island

What did the Chir'daki use for a Navicomputer? There is no droid socket, and the X-wing used an Astromech for a Navicomputer.