The UK-Ireland Migrant Dispute Explained 

A bit of clarification: the Common Travel Area covers Ireland and the UK, not just the island of Ireland.

The Common travel area is not the open border between Uk and Ireland. It’s the right of anyone British or Irish citizen to move, live and work anywhere on these islands.

Rwanda should strike a deal to send their refugees to Ireland, then the circle will be complete. ♻

I don't usually comment but this is the first time I've heard an English news anchor pronounce the word "Taoiseach" perfectly.

As an Irish person just want to say the Irish government has fallen out with the Tories, not Britain. The political and personal sentiment here is a deep willingness to get along and work together for all of our personal gain. A strong GB is good for Ireland and a strong Ireland is good for GB. The issues with the tories are because: They pushed for a poorly planned brexit They sold the DUP a lie destabilising the North. - This is honestly the biggest deal because a loyalist community lost at sea is dangerous. They blamed Ireland for their decision and now they are punishing Ireland for a disagreement they are having with France, knowing that the Irish government can't respond due to very sensitive situation in the North and around the border and the risk of further escalating tensions. None of this would have been an issue without brexit, without BoJo, and with May nearly crashing the GB economy. The tories have shit in the bed and want everyone else to clean it up.

Slight clarification - It was proposed that 100 Gardaí should be posted to the border but it never went through. It was confirmed by Tánaiste Michael Martin that they wouldn't be posting any Gardaí to the border.

The common travel area isn’t just on the Island of Ireland, it also includes the Island of Great Britain and the Isle of Man and the Channel Islands as well.

I think Sunak does have a point though. Why should the UK not have a right to return asylum seekers to France (an EU country) but should be required to take them back from Ireland (another EU country)? This all would be much less of a problem if Frontex actually did their jobs and controlled their borders. Britain is already one of the most densely populated countries in Europe and the EU seems to think they can just dump their shortcomings of their immigration problems onto Britain. Furthermore it is hippocritical for the EU and France to criticise the UK's Rwanda policy when they themselves are also considering a similar scheme. (Because it IS also putting pressure on their social welfare systems too, e.g. Denmark, Sweden, France, Italy, Austria, Germany etc). At the end of the day, we can not simply take everyone in the world that wants to come to the UK. Necessary evils will have to be committed to get our asylum system and our immigration system under control as the boats coming from the shores are simply unsustainable for the UK economy. That's the bottom line. There comes a point where the economy doesn't care about humanity and too many intake of vulnerable people into an already economically struggling country will make things worse in the foreseeable future.

A reasonable explanation. However, the sudden comment by the Irish minister that 80% of the 6700 ‘irregular’ asylum seekers this year have arrived from NI is unsubstantiated and was made a few weeks after she had been unable to answer a similar question in the Dáil stating the data wasn’t being recorded. Furthermore, photo ID is required before boarding a flight or ferry from Britain to NI. It maybe possible that some people have done so with forged documents but unlikely that thousands have done so in the first few months of 2024. It is also important to note that these comments were made just after the Rwanda Bill was passed into law in the UK. However, the new ETA policy recently introduced by the UK for 7 Middle East Arab countries does provide a loophole for people from those countries to travel to the Uk, with a passport and then onward to NI and then into Ireland where they are claiming asylum. This gives the opportunity for Palestinians with Jordanian passports to arrive in Ireland accordingly and take advantage of the very generous asylum system whereas a regular visa application would possibly be denied. There is no data how many people are availing themselves of this option but I wouldn’t think it would be high. In my view, the Rwanda situation is merely a convenient distraction by the Irish government to deflect from their reckless immigration policy which is being rejected by increasing numbers of their citizens. Recent data shows that the number of non natives has increased by a third in the past 20 years and is now 22% of the population.

The Irish government have NOT deployed 100 police officers to the border with the North. Nor have they ever had any intention of doing so, despite what was erroroniously written in some British media.

2 hours on a bus from belfast to dublin my hole, I want to know where TLDR is getting their bus info

This is full of errors. TLDR should have done better here considering this is basically local news.

Love your channel but you are wrong about the common travel area. It's not about the border with NI . It means the right for UK and RoI citizen to travel between and work in the UK and ROI with no restrictions.

Why does no one talk about how many safe countries these migrants pass through before getting to the UK? And how France doesn't accept take backs and actively helps them across. But no ones mad at France.. They're a safe country too.

It isn' t the first time they 've fallen out, it 's their latest.

At first, I was not used to the new hosts being kind, as I was kind of used to the usual guys, but you're doing a great job keeping the style of casual yet insightful comment around the news you report. Kudos !

"Why Britain and Ireland has fallen out" "first time?" did they ever actually Fall In??

Why does the a-roll often look like it's not graded? 🤔

Thanks

"!British newspaper suggestion that Gardaí are being sent to Northern Irish border rubbished"..........j/s

I wonder what moral grandstanding we're going to get from the Pro-EU lot here. I voted remain but I'm not blind to every nations short comings and a common solution needs to be developed. And before I hear "if only there some sort of union....", it ain't working, ask the Frontex border nations. We need to do better solution, an equitable one.

The solution is for Ireland to use the Dublin Convention to return these migrants back to which ever EU country they first entered.

Common Travel Area is purely between Eire and the UK. It has nothing to do with France or the rest of the EU.

ROI an UK are at the top of the chart for approved applications (83%-75%). Now its becoming an issue and trying not to blame themselves, voters and campaigners.

Of course if it were true that these migrants were an economic and cultural benefit, we'd be living in a completely different world where nations would compete to attract them

On the foundation of the Irish Free State, now Eire, the Irish government agreed to adopt UK immigration policy of the time, the UK's Black book of persona non gratia. This insured that their was no need for a patrolled border on the Island of Ireland, this was done at the sea ports in an era when air travel didn't exist. This evolved into the Common Travel Area (CTA) which gives the right of free movement between Island of Ireland the UK, the Isle of Mann and the channel Islands. All this pre dates the EEC let alone the EU. The Schengen area covers 29 EU countries that officially abolished border controls at their mutual borders. The UK gained an exemption from this as it was an Island nation with no mutual border. Ireland followed to protect the CTA. In my opinion the main driver for the current discontent is the high level of domestic homelessness (about 13K?) a domestic housing crisis together with high levels of adult children living with their parents out of necessity. SUNAK is wrong, the boat people are coming from France (an EU country) to the UK. They are (the 80% figure is disputed) coming from the UK to the Island of Ireland and then south. There are no boat people coming from France to Ireland. So the UK should take illegals back, It is the UK and France's problem to resolve the boats issue and not push the matter onto Ireland.

The economic migrants came into the UK from mainland EU, they should have been processed by the EU countries, as Ireland is part of the EU they should be speaking with fellow EU countries and Brussels to resolve this.

Just to note, Dublin didn't send 100 Garda to the border of Northern Ireland.

Open boards is for ROI & UK legally

EU showing that they don't care, only say they care to look good.

Good luck with that Ireland, Uk has had the same issue sending them back to France. Once they're on your doorstep, they're your problem. Got a problem with it? Take it up with France.

AMMR was planned for May, and it still hasn't been implemented. It would solve all this

Time to throw away the tories so this stupid policy can get thrown away too

Im Irish and i blame my government we've told them for years we don't want illegals here. Blaming Britain is just out government shifting blame

5:57 "on the right" is not right. There is resistance across the political spectrum because the immigrant influx is exasperating the already present horrendous impact on every aspect of living in Ireland. Highest taxes and GDPPC in EU yet significant numbers rely on government support and food banks. For a country with a huge tourism economy, there is nowhere for these people to stay. People have to save, not spend, given the corruption by vulture funds.

Zero chance chance UK is going to entertain this. 😂

"irregularly".. not allowed to say "illegally" anymore 🤔

The script here is badly written, saying anyways after saying Ireland fought hard to keep the border open is very dismissive and unprofessional language, plus it doesn't seem that there is an understanding of the common travel area, and she commented on Sunak feeling his plan was working with a bit too much enthusiasm. other than that I'm happy to see this channel covering ireland

Hmm 'stop the boats' slogan. Where have we heard that before. For those that don't know, it's directly from the Australian Liberal Party's (our Tory party) policy. Great inspiration Richi...!

if one is not careful you can spend your whole life looking for asylum in different areas

Not "legally binding", just like that guarantee of territory integrity given to Ukraine. Ppl sure like signing these useless bits of paper.

The still get a faw more months to get the last part from England

Have any 2 countries *not* fallen out at this point?

Thank you for that! I have been following the reporting on this in the mainstream media with increasing frustration. On the one hand, I was being told that an Irish court had declared Britain to be an unsafe country, and that this was the reason asylum seekers could not be sent back from Ireland to Britain. Which implies that there is some kind of agreement between the two countries. And indeed, I had read somewhere that there was such an agreement. And yet the media was also telling me that Rishi Sunak had said that he would refuse to take back any migrants. How could you do that if there was an agreement? You have explained that there is an agreement, but it is secret and the British government claimed that it is not legally binding. It really is pathetic to the BBC, which I am paying for, can’t explain the streets viewers and I have to go on RU-vid to educate myself. Two quibbles about the video though. You say that the Rwanda plan involves sending migrants to Rwanda where their claims will be processed. This implies that their claims for asylum in the UK are going to be processed in Rwanda. This is not the case. They will be able to claim asylum in Rwanda and if they are successful they will stay there. They’re not coming back to the UK whatever happens. I think some people do misunderstand the Rwanda plan to mean that people are being deported to Rwanda temporarily while their claims for asylum in the UK are processed. You also say that Republic of Ireland fought strenuously to keep the border between Northern Ireland and the Republic open during the Brexit negotiations. In fact, there was never any suggestion by either side in the Brexit negotiations that there would be restrictions on the movement of people between Northern Ireland and the Republic, or between the UK and the island of Ireland. The only issue was whether there would be checks on goods and, if so, where. Finally, you’re a British channel (at least the people on it are British) so why the insistence on American English? I’ve never heard anyone in Britain pronounce route as ROWT. Never. Why? Why?

Good

so basically, Rwanda deal makes migrants go to Ireland, Ireland want's to send them to UK, Rwanda deal makes migrants go to Ireland... some loop that's gunna be.

7 minutes to explain that title is a tad ambitious 😂

They fell out about 800 years ago

Lots of council estates in Ireland and England. Unused land everywhere enough to build new homes and demolish all the estates

If TLDR Reports on Brexit, the countries with shoes should make an appearance

Probably been going other way for yrs too

Remember men fleeing war bring their families but men going to war go alone.

New host. Nice to see TLDR team expanding. Kudos for keeping gender diversity in mind let's hope this extends further to include different ethnicities etc

Can someone tell me why would rawanda accept these asylum seekers in the first place?

was the open boarder France's idea eg The EU of which Southern IRELAND is a part of

Send the Asylum seekers to Falkland Islands or Ascension Island (still UK) to wait for a hearing

"Do you think Ireland's taking too many refugees" is such a dumb question because it removes the context of the housing crisis in which 35% of all Galway rental houses are vacant for no reason.

Up yours Brexit Sunak......Signed : Ireland

So, I'm taking that Sunak will start taking the bus over a car soon?

nothing against Jack or Ben, but recently, I got much more intrest in politics and TLDR hahaha :)

Britain has been operating an undeclared policy of trafficking migrants to Ireland for several years. Routinely migrants refused residency by British courts are set free and enabled to fly or take ferry to Belfast or Larne and pass through Northern ireland unimpeded to reach the Irish border. It is obviously a less expensive option for Britain than to enforce the ordered deportation and all the legal costs that would arise from legal appeals and the housing of migrants throughout the legal process. One notorious example is the case of a young Egyptian asylum seeker who travelled through Northern Ireland and ended up in Dundalk, County Louth in 2016 where he applied for residency in the Irish Republic. In January 2017 this young man went berserk on the streets of Dundalk, when armed with a knife he murdered an unsuspecting Japanese student and stabbed two Irish citizenns.

Simple: Don`t give Asylum seekers any money. They leave on their own. One, two years later and no one will show up.

Primer Minister Sunak should be how your head of state should be adressed not Sunak like he is some guy off the street.

Only guessing as the video said the agreement wasn't made puplic but maybe the uk will but in some steps to limit illegal migrants getting to Ireland but the uk should definitely not take people back in France won't do the same

That agreement what the court said was illegal & the Irish rep involved had no authority in setting up.

I'm a Brit that lives in Ireland and Ireland migrant policy is bonkers. I don't see as many tents in the UK as I do in Ireland. Going to the benefits office here is encourage and back dated? Ireland defiantly needs to tighten up its boarders

Looks like the Rwanda plan is working already

I'm Irish and I think it's stupid to blame them when we could be deporting them ourselves if it weren't for the EU

Blaming on the brits? She wanted to put that in I

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Routing: you're British so It's not rowlette it's ROUlette. And similarly it isn't rowt'ing it's ROUting.

Hot reporter. Tell us more.

Ireland should talk to France

All they have to do is bus them across the birder to Belfast.

Sunak is the first who needs to go

"Especially on the right"... lol you haven't got a clue, the current government is a Coalition of the two right wing parties in Ireland, this is not a "left right" issue. Ireland is a country a small towns and villages with native population of 4.2 million, the current population is 5.3 that is a massive demographic since change in the last 18 years and people have had their fill both on the left and the right.

Ireland: "Britain deporting migrants to Rwanda is inhumane". Also Ireland: "we will deport the migrants to Britain.... Who will deport them to Rwanda".

Why is Ireland setting up a hard border??

How can they keep the migrant deall away from the public

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A very significant drop from your normal high standards TLDR. May I suggest that you actually go and read the texts memorandums of understanding with regards to the CTA. Firstly it applies only to British and Irish CITIZENs not residents, it applies to the republic of Ireland and the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, not just the island of Ireland. It is treated as separate to and EU or Brexit matters as it is predates the countries membership to the EU. It can be traced all the way back to 1923 in fact. The CTA does commit both countries to Data sharing and to combat the Abuse of the CTA. so questionable interpterion from the UK as to what constitutes abuse?

Non rhotic, nearly unintelligible

of course they will be send to the UK because there application progress is in the uk not ireland

Did my boy really get called a Nazi right here 3:50

So long as Ireland’s angry, I don’t care

During Brexit Irekand said all border issues to be settled at EU level, essentially taking it of their hands now due to the Windsor agreement they signed

well the issure will be somewhat resolved in the near future considering Sunak will definitely be replaced by Starmer who doesnt support the Rwanda plan. This is yet another example of how Sunak's selfish refusal to call an election is making things worse

There was no need to fall out had the free travel area been set up propetly in first place. AUSTRALIA and NEW ZEALAND have a free travel area for Australian and new zealanders. However passports are required and any travellers who have past jail convictions can be refused entry to either country.Australia and new zealand passport holders can live work in either country.

Give the economic migrants no benefits, nothing & defund the NGO'S who facilitie this, then it will stop.

Time to hand out some Irish passports to those that have been living in the UK for some time and allow them to return to live and work legally in the UK.

Why Britain and Ireland fell out? Well, 800 years ago...

It is easy to critics of Sunak to blaim him. But difficult to find a better solution.

They show world dream uk and eu is a garden today they are not accepting this.

Common travel area =/= NI/ROI border...

Bear in mind that the British government has recently brought through the Northern Ireland Legacy act that has essentially ended the ability to prosecute British soldiers accused of murder during the Troubles. Anglo-Irish relations and general quality of human rights are at a difficult juncture once again.

"If people come to our country illegally, but aren't allowed to stay, they're less likely to come." I wouldn't be too sure about that.

Great explainer jut get the presenter to slow down her delivery. No need to vomit words.

I'm liberal as f but if you don't see how badly our kindness is taken advantage of in the West in every way your smoking something and especially the asylum laws

We aren’t having a falling out it’s the government

Now ROI knows how Britains feels when dealing with the rest of mainland Europe (mainly France) on this issue lmao