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Finally someone that shows the rattle effect of these carriers....you confirm my fears with the Nguyen Works carrior - thank you for saving my wallet! Not a lot of good options for my third gen, back to the drawing board.
Have C4 front and back. Expensive yes heavy as hell yes. I've been looking at different options for the rear bumper and this is a great tutorial. Cheers!
I was able to play around with the Dissent Off-Road bumper recently and was very impressed. Solid with a lot of options including the high clearance hitch.
Totally understand about showing us what is available in your area. Interested to hear your thoughts on the new Dissent bumper. I think the latches look awesome and it seems beefy.
The Outgear Solutions bumper is the only rear bumper I’ve found that I’ve actually liked. I wanted a tube rear with single swing (for same large table option) with the 1/4 panel tree savers and I wanted a hitch which a lot of tube rears don’t have or are poorly integrated. I will definitely have to remember and save this video because I will be doing the extra cross bars regardless of the hammering. I will likely be getting a custom front bumper made from Drew’s Fab to keep that tube style for the bumpers. I’m still on the fence for under armor skid plates. But I will be getting the WC Dirt King 3.5 long travel front and rear and that’s why I’m going tube for lighter weight just a tire & single gas and utilize the roof rack for other stuff. Great video and great ideas! 🤘🏼😎🤘🏼
Always great content you give us. Thank you. I was hoping you got to try the victory 4x4 because I am eyeing that one. I don't want to have a tire carrier and just want a simple bumper and no swing outs. Thanks again for the video.
Honestly… it’s hard to mess up a bumper design if there is no tire carrier. Id just go based on weight and looks if I wasn’t worried about the carrier.
I am also looking at the Victory without any swing arms. The Outgear Solutions looks good too but I just emailed them as they don’t post the weight nor does it say if you can add a plug and play swing arm later. Also not sure if my 33 will still fit underneath with the new bumpers.
I've had the CBI dual Overland bumper for a few years now, the bearing stack is a pain to replace, and only had to replace the handle U hook once(carry extras now). It does oscillate on certain sections of freeway, possibly where the road surface has micro bumps undetected by most vehicles, usually concrete freeways, not blacktop. I'm used to the handle, no wife ussues once she learned how to unlock it. It's a pretty good bumper overall, super tough, heavy, but I would like something lower profile and lighter. It's not a good sign when CBI had discontinued this model, from what I'm seeing. They have the basic model only with no swing out options. Now that I live in southeat BC I need to inspect the inner side of the bumper and check the mount bolts for rust more often. I did treat the whole exterior with POR15 just a couple months ago, we'll see how that holds up
I’m looking at the “Tacoma HC Tube Bumper w/ Tire Swingout” with tree savers since I need a solution for my 295 spare. Looking for a tube bumper to match my tube front and this out gear looks to be it, but I’m nervous the tire will bounce. Any thought on this? Would I have to dab a side weld too?
I have the Nguyen Works bumper, pretty much spec'd like the one in the video, and am currently adding reinforcements on the side, and behind the pivot point of the tire carrier to the frame just like you have on your current bumper. The wobble is pretty insane on the highway.
I just wanted to add to your video, If you add a bump stop to the top of your tire carrier to your rear hatch somewhere, it will get rid of all vibration and isolation, like the old shrockworks bumpers (tire carrier to license plate area of hatch). I think the single swing arm more solid because less moving parts, less structural welds (more tube bending and gusseting), versus dual swing arms. Double shear hinges and bumper side bracing should always be included on all heavy duty bumpers (if you go off a ledge, it will shift without bracing). Anyways, great video man.
Thanks! Agreed on single vs dual. Been thinking about a bumpstop idea for a year. Expedition one license plate frame is solid on that cargo area. Just been too swamped to ever get around to it! Has always worked for Jeep tire carriers.
@@SandyCats yeah man feel free to reach out to me if you decide to do the bump stop thing. I'll take pics of how shrockworks did it. keep up the great work man.
Appreciate you sharing about the issues you've been having with the expedition one. Do you know if they have plans to sell the new arm design? Have you given them feedback about where it broke near the spindle? Fingers crossed I won't have any issues with my arms, but I now know where to check for cracks over time :)
I’ve seen it once about a year ago and it felt solid and extremely thought out. Was just hard to find anyone with one of them to do a better analysis over the last month or so.
I have not. Based on attachment points, I would have no concern going to 5,000 pounds (toyota recommended). Honestly… wouldn’t have concern going to 12,000 pounds but rig can’t handle that. The crossmember and attachment points are much stronger than factory
Do they send a manual with clear instructions regarding install? I have not seen a video anywhere for a 4runner install of this bumper. I'm ready to buy a rear bumper and am contemplating between this and a C4. C4 has a very good video with regards to install here in YT. Thanks for sharing this video!
@@SandyCats thanks for the reply. Normally, is there any weld on parts or is it all just cutting and bolts? If it’s all cutting and bolts I could probably do it
wish i would have seen your video sooner, i fabricated my own bumper and right now I am failing the tire punch test. I get significant shake. What would be the best way to reinforce that area to reduce shake? I think I got that much shake cause I wanted the tire to slant into the gate instead of sit straight.
@@SandyCats Im happy with the bumper itself, I welded 2 brackets on the oem crash bar cross member so its bolt on and I can remove to make more modifications if I need to. Right now its just the swing arm that I am not happy with. After I put the tire, I have to do a slight lift for it to go up and over and lock. Im probably going to give another design a shot and spend a bit more on a better latch system.
@@Hateraz101 for me.. a I had same problem…. Started adding gussets and metal… and at some point it became too much metal and was smarter to just rebuild.
@@SandyCats i was able to greatly reduce shake by adding a oversized bolt with welded on grab fly, i will probably find a star knob on the same size so it looks better, welded a bracket on the end of the swing. I get almost no shake. The hard part is lining it up when closing.
@@SandyCats as far as I can tell from photos the HC Tube Bumper w/ Tire Swingout for Tacoma looks like the hinge is welded to two tubes. However the “slim” version looks like the hinge is only welded to one tube. I’m curious if the hinge welded only to a single tube would change your opinion
@@JaydeeRueca yup… see that now. Let’s put it this way… I wouldn’t use that bumper for more than a tire carrier and an additional 50 pounds or so. My opinion may change if I had a chance to play with it but I feel that it may lack some rigidity for very heavy use
When you say you made it through the Rubicon without significant damage, what was damaged and were you able to complete the trail, or at least your planned route?
Love the question!!! Zero body damage. Bent rear control arm mount on the frame (had TC sliders but the didn’t work well). Somehow bent Dana 60 seal (somehow perfectly landed on rock). Gas tank skid trashed (aluminum). Rock rails did their job but kinda squashed. Basically… found some weak armor links and fixed them all. We completed the entire trail. Couldn’t make soupbowl and had to winch up two waterfalls. My added weight + everything being very wet didn’t mix well. Think next year during dry season with TacoBox I should be good for everything.
@SandyCats In your opinion, how rock-crawl worthy are the 5th gen 4runners with minimal modifications to the tire size (I don't want to go over 34") without getting too crazy with the IFS system? I saw your other video about getting the spindles gusseted, and to leave the tie rods stock except to add that sleeve, so I intend to do those things. My goal is to one day make it over and do the Rubicon but I don't necessarily want to get caught up in a diminishing returns scenario since my 5th gen is my only daily driver. I also don't want to lift the thing so high that my CVs get worn out quickly, or I end up damaging my front diff. Thoughts?
@@Chobham it depends on what you consider rock crawl worthy. Your description of what you want is exactly how my wife’s 4runner is built. Can it do the Rubicon trail?…. Possibly… but I am risking a ton of damage (including most likely body damage) and honestly I won’t have fun. My wife’s 4runner is magnificent for overlanding. However, the only way you can have confidence in hard rock crawling in a 4Runner is by doing a similar build as my green 4runner. On rocks I would say it’s as capable as a stock Jeep rubicon on 35s… a Jeep just loses a lot of points in overlanding.
@@SandyCats Thank you - I have been coming to the same conclusion. I just don't see how it's possible to do the Rubicon in the 5th gen without major sacrifices made, tons of modifications and even with all of that done, you can still end up with serious damage done on a trail that a stock Jeep Rubicon can do with minimal mods. I think I just need to focus on building my 5th gen into an overlanding platform capable of doing up to moderate crawling, to keep the costs down, reliability up and stay out of diminishing returns territory. Then either build a used Jeep or even another older 4runner specifically for the Rubicon, or similar trails.
Good point. I don’t have them on my 19 or 21 4runner. However we installed them on the GX460 with expedition one rear bumper. Parking sensors never worked right anyways… so we disabled them.
