The Ultimate Guide to cEDH Urza | Deck Tech & Primer Rundown

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Hello Planeswalkers,
my name is Eisenherz. I'm a dedicated cEDH player, one of the admins on the Urza Discord Server and curator of two well known cEDH Urza Primers. I spent the last week filming and editing this almost 2h monologue about cEDH Urza and hope it will help new and experienced pilots alike to understand the deck, its goals and somewhat complex lines better in order to bring their gameplay and lists to the next level.
If you have any questions, please don't hesitate to ask in the comments, on our Discord Server or the Moxfield page and if you enjoyed this rundown, please leave a like on the video and the primer, comment your feedback, share the video with your friends and subscribe to the channel for more quality content in the future.
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● Urza Discord: / discord
● Urza Poly Kraken [Primer]: www.moxfield.com/decks/kes83-...
● Urza Power Scepter [Primer]: www.moxfield.com/decks/UCZpPd...
● My other Primers: www.moxfield.com/users/Eisenherz
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Timestamps
00:00:00 - Prologue
00:01:07 - Introduction
00:02:24 - Ramp Overview
00:03:00 - Control / Stax Overview
00:03:29 - Combos Overview
00:04:20 - Hullbreaker Horror Combo in Depth
00:07:36 - Scepter Reversal Combo in Depth
00:11:13 - Power Monolith Combo in Depth
00:13:42 - Why do we play Winconless?
00:14:54 - Basics Steps to win
00:16:05 - Loops Overview
00:16:35 - Hullbreaker Horror Loop in Depth
00:17:58 - Twister Loop in Depth
00:19:52 - Dual Scepter Loop (1) in Depth
00:21:23 - Infinite Swan Tokens
00:23:03 - Dual Scepter Loop (2) in Depth
00:24:56 - Sequencing a Win (1)
00:32:55 - Sequencing a Win (2)
00:41:20 - Sequencing a Win (3) without any Loops
00:50:31 - Single Card Discussion
01:21:25 - Brewing Urza
01:35:54 - Mulligans
01:43:20 - Urza Power Scepter (Epilogue)

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@christopherchandler6375 6 месяцев назад

2 years later and still one of the best urza deck techs out there

@Samothrace808 Месяц назад

I don’t play Urza but I am playing mono U a lot. I realized that I don’t know how timetwister loops work and so I came here first! Then I watched all 1 hour 47 mins of it. Excellent work.

@EisenherzMTG Месяц назад

Thank you, really appreciate the feedback. ✌️

@brandonmullen3588 2 года назад

Most of the primer videos Ive watched were not this detailed and were boring. This video gave me all the information I needed. Thanks for all the hard work helping me win

@trainspartan4464 2 года назад

This is the most comprehensive guide I’ve ever seen. The quality is phenomenal and so extremely helpful. Thanks for your contribution to the MTG community!

@089Memo90 2 года назад

Great guide! if you are interested in piloting Urza, this is the right video for you! I highly recommend watching it.

@EisenherzMTG 2 года назад

Thanks bro^^

@BisyBackson365 Месяц назад

Picking up Urza today. Invaluable video

@lazie1815 2 года назад

Thank you for putting in all of the hard work on this amazing resource

@DarkOri3nt Год назад

Amazingly detailed thanks so much !

@ScoopPhase 2 года назад

Shiitttttt! This guide is crazy good. Was looking to get this back together

@yimboy Год назад

Thank you for the great Urza primer video

@isaiahgonzales6193 Год назад

Fantastic video. Thankyou.

@mandielyn0416 2 года назад

I could listen to you talk about Urza all day

@EisenherzMTG 2 года назад

@43:35 just pretend I have Snow-Covered Island in play...😅

@twitchster77 Год назад

This guide has been amazing. I thought I had a decent grasp on how the combos worked...but it was super useful that you actually went through them sequence by sequence. You did a fantastic job of clearing them up and making them very easy to follow and understand. I'm having a blast with a VERY non-cEDH Urza deck that is just a ton of fun to run. It's slow and clunky and I freaking love it lol. It's full of big stupid spells, has several ways to go infinite on mana and then just has tons of ways of finishing out games. It's a hell of a fun deck to run...but it's not at all fun to play against lol. Memnarch is a favorite in the deck, but I'm also running stupid things like a Mindslaver lock and can do things like deal infinite damage (or gain infinite life) with Ugin the Spirit Dragon or I can infinitely gain control of all my opponent's turns and then slowly blow up their boards with annihilator with Kozilek and Ulamog if my opponents have things with indestructible or hexproof. I was running Memnarch as my commander for a long time and really liked the deck...but I just recently picked up Urza and Hullbreaker Horror and gave Urza a try at the helm and holy heck...Urza is stupid! lol...he instantly gave my deck a massive boost on speed and consistency that Memmy was missing. My friends refuse to play me in 1vs1 and they insta-scoop as soon as they see I have infinite mana. They never let me have any fun! :p haha Sorry for the long ramble. I'm just hyper atm! :D

@EisenherzMTG Год назад

Hey, thanks for the positive feedback. I'm happy that this guide is of use for you. I also love Memnarch. It was my first EDH deck :D

@Jakep54903 2 года назад

I can’t wait to see your UPS video, I’m just getting into CEDH and I think I’m going to go with your UPS decklist from moxfield

@EisenherzMTG 2 года назад

Hey Jacob, thanks for coming by and for your feedback. Unfortunately, I won't be making a whole UPS video, that's just too much for a deck this similar. You will see, however, that I made a short epilogue about the UPS version (1:43:20). The decks really don't differ that much, except for the fact UPS doesn't have "1-card-combos" (Poly / Staff). To combat that we try to play the best utility creatures Mono-Blue has to offer.

@gausav9574 2 года назад

At 43:37 you cast arcums astrolabe from your hand without any snow mana. That doesn't changes anything, just a small nitpick Amazing video, thank you !

@EisenherzMTG 2 года назад

Yes, thank you for noticing. That's def a misplay there, but thankfully not a major one. I'll add a note right there, so nobody gets confused 👍

@irlylikecanada 2 года назад

This is a fantastic resource! The definitive guide.

@swaglord-gy3oj Год назад

I can feel my brain growing

@lepdoptero Год назад

well done! :D

@albertopascolini1118 2 года назад

Thank you!

@shaderik4033 2 года назад

Nice Work Eisenherz 👌(geiler Guide, Ehre wem Ehre gebührt)

@EisenherzMTG 2 года назад

Danke danke^^

@SLowMtG 3 месяца назад

Amazing content. Detailed and very helpful. Would you consider updating the video to take into account new cards? Also, why don’t your brain freeze as a win condition? Mill everyone with storm and then windfall?

@azotdedioz 2 года назад

great guide, ty man. I am always looking how to improve my list with you deck list advise. What do you think about reality chip por UPS with aetherium sculptor and senseis top?

@EisenherzMTG 2 года назад

The combo is pretty dope. We used to be on Future Sight + Sculptor + Top. but Future Sight is just too bad of a card. Unfortunately tho,it's still a 3 card combo and Sculptor doesn't really pull so much weight outside of the combo. I'm currently testing only Top + Chip for my UPS build, but Chip hasn't performed too well, because of it's nombo with Grafdigger's Cage and the fact that there is Rule of Law in almost every pod....soooo imo the draw-engine of Chip + Top is playable on its own, but only time and more testing will tell if it makes the cut.

@jeschi1911 10 месяцев назад

Sehr sehr cooles video :) man merkt, dass in dem video und auch in dem primer auf moxfield viel arbeit drin steckt 😊 Aufgrund deines primers und deiner videos bin ich gerade dabei ein urza deck zu bauen… jedoch muss ich einstweilen noch bei einigen karten budget-freundlichere alternativen verwenden. Ich habe allerdings vor mir nach und nach die teureren mana rocks und counterspells zuzulegen 😊 Kannst du da vlllt sagen welche von den teuren mana rocks man früher einbauen sollte und welche später? Also welche da mehr priorität haben? Ich wäre sehr dankbar für ein paar tipps von dir 😅 danke Und bitte mach weiter so guten content 👍

@EisenherzMTG 10 месяцев назад

Hey danke fürs nette Feedback. Mana Rocks, Free Counterspells und Länder sind in der Regel das teuerste an cEDH. Ich würde die Mana Rocks priorisieren, weil sie dir die nötige Schnelligkeit geben. - Mana Crypt - Jeweled Lotus - Mana Vault - Mox Opal / Lotus Petal / Chrom Mox - Grim Monolith - Mox Diamond Wäre meine Rangliste^^

@jeschi1911 10 месяцев назад

bitte gerne :) vielen dank für die infos :)

@ryantuck5716 Год назад

Thanks so much for the video the deck looks great! I was wondering to make this deck a bit more cost effective for me who wants to only play semi-competitively how would you best replace the following cards from the kraken deck: Timetwister, Transmute Artifact, Intuition, Power Artifact, Rhystic Study, and The Tabernacle at Pendrell Vale? Thanks so much!

@EisenherzMTG Год назад

I have a several budget list linked in the primer. But here we go: - Twister -> Midnight Clock - Transmute -> Reshape - Grim Monolith -> Basalt Monolith - Power Artifact -> Rings of Brightheart - Intuition -> some cantrip or draw spell like Impulse or Sleight of Hand - Tabernacle -> Island or cantrip (see above) - Try to grab a Rhystic Study. It's a staple and the deck really needs all the draw engines it can get.

@ryantuck5716 Год назад

@@EisenherzMTG awesome thanks so much you are far too kind !! Happy gaming I will def try and pick a Rhystic Study up! EDIT: Just looked and saw its way cheaper then I thought def going grab it!

@joaovitorjoaovitor 2 года назад

Hello and thank you for this monster of a guide. How do you feel about Moonsnare Prototype from NEO? It has amazing synergy with Static Orb-like stax (for a backup in case of no Urza) and in the late game deals with any nonland permanent as an uncounterable effect.

@EisenherzMTG 2 года назад

We discussed it a bit on the server and I believe some people tested it, but overall the effect doesn't feel good enough to use up a slot for. Having a backup Urza effect is only okish and the bounce effect is kinda expensive. Compare that to Otawara. 🤯

@joaovitorjoaovitor 2 года назад

Yeah, that makes sense. Otawara is insane.

@31victordanielparedespared56 2 года назад

Plis oswald fiddlebender deck techs

@PaulG0000 2 года назад

Great video. Thoughts on running Karn, Scion of Urza in your Poly Scepter build to help us draw cards? I am in a grindy midrange meta.

@EisenherzMTG 2 года назад

Planeswalker have the problem of usually not sticking around long enough, because we don't have enough blockers to protect them.

@PaulG0000 2 года назад

@@EisenherzMTG even for a UPS build?

@EisenherzMTG 2 года назад

@@PaulG0000 UPS is another story as we got more blocker available (not too many flyers, though). The thing is, we can play stuff like Sphinx and Reality Chip, so Karn becomes less relevant.

@metalb0087 2 года назад

i like tidespout cause it will bounce lands. i can lock the game out theoretically. i put both hullbreaker and tidespout in my shoriki build

@EisenherzMTG 2 года назад

I get that appeal of bouncing lands, but speaking from experience, once you go infinite there is no need to bounce lands. You have access to all of your deck, can make them hellbent and can counter any spell your opponents cast. Hullbreaker in particular bounces spells from the stack. Boucing land is just overkill at that pount. It is much better to reliably 100% of the time flip into Hullbreaker than only 50% of the time. It's also less likely you will draw into a looper. This has been tested thoroughly by different Urza Players and is basically consensus now.

@intothefantasy 2 года назад

just a question, how to brew urza with a meta of heavy creature hitters? having alot of bounce spells? any recommendation vs those kind of meta? is it possible if you can share your 90 cards brew section in mox field out with the consideration card section as well? so is easier to brew our self and know which 90 cards is mostly staple

@EisenherzMTG 2 года назад

Hey John, the Core list is linked in the Primer. You will find it at the bottom of the SCD. If you see a lot of bigger creatures, adding more hard removal (Resculpt, Pongify, Rapid Hybridization, maybe even Reality Shift) as well as soft removal (Chain of Vapor, Cyclonic Rift, Snap, Geistform, Alchemists Retrieval, Winds of Rebuke) can be an option. If there are like really big creature, maybe, just maybe Ensaring Bridge could be an option. It's not a staple by any means, but it could come in handy in your meta.

@intothefantasy 2 года назад

@@EisenherzMTG thanks, any good board clear or wipe (bounce actually) other than cyclonic rift?

@EisenherzMTG 2 года назад

@@intothefantasy nothing thats really viable in cEDH, but Tabernacle + mana denial (Static Orb / Winter Orb / Back to Basics) can keep the board pretty clear.

@garrettestrada6434 2 года назад

I have pretty much every piece for this list with the exception of a time twister, which realistically I will never be able to afford at this point. I’m only 15 min into the guide so far so I apologize if this is addressed later in the individual card talk but with your mention of running a “winconless” deck to maximize card quality, can this still be achieved without a time twister? I’ve often found myself running at least an oracle or Jace just as hedge even though I know I’m doing it at the cost of other more quality cards for those slots. Any help with this would be super useful as I’ve been discouraged from playing Urza in cEDH due to the lack of a time twister

@EisenherzMTG 2 года назад

Hey there, so this is addressed in a later part of the video. You can actually win without a timetwister, but it's just a super strong card to play in general. If you don't own one and can't proxy, I suggest using Midnight Clock or Echo of Eons as an alternative. Both enable twister loops, but they are def worse than twister and not really necessary. I strongly suggest NOT playing Jace or Thoracle. Both are just really bad cards outside of being wincons and Thoracle isn't even an option in Poly builds, because it's a creature and you can't play other creatures in a Poly deck. Maybe try "Bribery". If you play against another Thoracle player a lot, this can be a hard wincon. Cast it from exile, grab an opponenets Thoracle and win.

@garrettestrada6434 2 года назад

@@EisenherzMTG thank you for the fast reply! And thank you for the guide, it is very helpful

@FernandoQuiroga-rm9wu 10 месяцев назад

Hi ! thanks for this video...is really huge help...i have a question: what is your opinion about use aetherflux res?

@EisenherzMTG 10 месяцев назад

Hey thanks. Glad its helpful for you. AR is not needes and does nothing for our game plan. The newest version of the deck plays easier to explain winning lines.

@fernandoquirogacarrasco7582 10 месяцев назад

@@EisenherzMTG and what about time spiral?

@EisenherzMTG 10 месяцев назад

@@fernandoquirogacarrasco7582 it's mostly a budget replacement for time twister 👍

@XBUGMANX Год назад

17:42 How do you bounce narset after downticking her with hullbreaker's trigger on the stack? can't you only activate pw's ability when the stack is empty and any time you could cast a sorcery?

@EisenherzMTG Год назад

Let's assume Horror is in play. 1. Make infinite mana by looping 2 rocks. 2. Cast Narset and bounce a Rock like Lotus Petal (or any other permanent, because you have inf mana anyway). 3. Activate Narset. 4. Cast the Rock to bounce Narset. 5. Repeat steps 2 - 4. (No instant speed activations needed). Hope that helps.

@XBUGMANX Год назад

@@EisenherzMTG yes it did. Thanks!

@fernandoquirogacarrasco7582 9 месяцев назад

What do you think about using a prologue to phyresis +isochron? I think it is a new faster wincon

@EisenherzMTG 9 месяцев назад

It would take 10 activations / 10 turns to win the game. How is that faster? If you mean inside of dual scepter loops or twister loops, I don't see a reason to add PTP to the deck, because it does very little outside of drawing a card for 2 mana. We've recently swapper Narsets Reversal for Codex Shredder, which has been a great swap. It hates on topdeck tutors, allows for milling lines and twister loops.

@teagansmith3326 2 года назад

What are you talking about when you say filter colorless through urza for blue? Just the freecasting?

@EisenherzMTG 2 года назад

No, sometimes you actually need to cast spells from your hand and for that you need don't just need infinite colorless mana, but also blue mana, so you can use Urza ability to filter infinite colorless mana into infinite blue mana. Example 1 0. Have Grim Monolith + Power Artifact in play and make Infinite colorless mana 1. Tap Grim Monolith for 1 Blue mana with Urzas ability 2. Use 4 of your infinite colorless mana to untap Grim Monolith 3. Repeat 1 + 2 for infinite blue mana. Example 2 0. Have Isochron Scepter (with Dramatic Reversal) + Mana Vault in play and make infinite colorless mana 1. Tap Mana Vault for 1 Blue mana with Urzas ability 2. Use your infinite colorless mana to activate Isochron Scepter and untap Mana Vault 3. Repeat 1 + 2 for infinite blue mana. Hope that helps

@Nitroxien 2 года назад

Question: At 28:00 is there a reason to cast Isochron first instead of dramatic reversal then narset then casting isochron to imprint the reversal?

@EisenherzMTG 2 года назад

No not really. It just important to put DramRev into your hand so you can actually imprint it.

@brndnwilliams42069 Год назад

I got hung up on this too at first. You can’t imprint an instant from exile, just your hand, so he cast it then used NR to send it to his hand so he could then imprint it :)

@philoskim6052 Год назад

Is howling mine a viable addition to this deck? You can break parity with Urza to make it a 2 cmc card draw engine with no drawbacks

@EisenherzMTG Год назад

We've tried it. We've discussed it. Bottom line, sadly no. It puts a huge target on Urza, who is already a huge target for removal. People want to get rid of Urza even more in order to profit from your Howling Mine.

@giomac69 Год назад

Do you have any substitution suggestions for cards like Timetwister, Transmute Artifact, Power Artifact? I like the deck but I won't ever own a TimeTwister and the others are a bit hard to come by. Thanks

@EisenherzMTG Год назад

There is a budget list linked in the primer 👍

@giomac69 Год назад

@@EisenherzMTG can you link where you describe how to play the deck and all that? I'm a total noob and can't seem to find it anywhere. I'm better at reading than watching

@EisenherzMTG Год назад

@@giomac69 there you go www.moxfield.com/decks/kes83-onUU6X_H-RyM8HPw/primer

@brndnwilliams42069 Год назад

What do you think about soldevi excavations for ups? I just found out about it yesterday

@EisenherzMTG Год назад

It's interesting, because it doesn't set you back, but you lose one way to make blue mana and scying is prob not worth it. Especially since you'd have to keep the land open and thereby can't always use a 2 mana source. I personally wouldn't play it when cards like War Room, Castke Vantress, or Tocasias Dig Site exist.

@brndnwilliams42069 Год назад

@@EisenherzMTG awesome. Thank you for the insight. I didn’t know if it was helpful for when we have infinite mana but maybe someone got rid of narset, partner or something. I’m new and trying to get my gears turning haha

@vccavalcanti Год назад

at 46:29 you cast torpor orb and then at 47:11 you use proteus staff to "flicker" Urza and create tokens, but torpor orb would not allow it

@EisenherzMTG Год назад

Yeah I noticed after watching. You can just bounce the Orb tho.

@ShmeepShmop239 2 года назад

Does Displacer Kitten have a home in Urza? Have you tested it at all in either your scepter or polymorph lists?

@EisenherzMTG 2 года назад

You can't play it in Polymorph, but I'm currently testing it in the UPS version. It hasn't come up often enough yet to make an informed decision on it.

@ShmeepShmop239 2 года назад

@@EisenherzMTG right on, I appreciate it. I look forward to your verdict on the kitten and all your upcoming content!

@brunogebara8544 6 месяцев назад

How do you create a token with torpor orb in the battlefield?

@EisenherzMTG 6 месяцев назад

For the Polymorph list? There are different options here. You can obviously just cast Orb afzer casting Urza. You can also just use Urza as the Polymorph target, but you'd beed a way to recast it / make infinite mana without the need of Urza (which is pretty easy and reliable) or you don't play Torpor Orb in your list. I personally lately shifted to less Stax for the UPS version to make it more of a Tempo list rather than a Control list and no Stax for the Polymorph version to make it a straight forward Combo list.

@FernandoQuiroga-rm9wu 10 месяцев назад

would you consider sculpting steel a budget option for copy artifact?

@EisenherzMTG 10 месяцев назад

Yeah for sure

@fernandoquirogacarrasco7582 10 месяцев назад

Thanks! You’re so kind for answer our questions!!!! I’m following you in moxf. Greetings!

@EisenherzMTG 10 месяцев назад

@@fernandoquirogacarrasco7582 Always a pleasure ✌

@Cidwithey 4 месяца назад

is there any good strategies to counter this deck?

@EisenherzMTG 4 месяца назад

Turbo Decks with Dockside thrive against Urza.

@1356stone 7 месяцев назад

Is there a deck list available?

@EisenherzMTG 7 месяцев назад

In the description box 👍

@henwillp 11 месяцев назад

Where is the budget list?

@EisenherzMTG 11 месяцев назад

I had to delet it, because I couldnt keep up with updating it. I linked some other Budget lists in the primer somewhere towards the end. If you need budget replacements for specific cards, just let me know.

@twitchster77 Год назад

_/me trying to explain my many infinite combos to my friends_ My friends: zZzzz

@Prvosienko 2 года назад

Quick Note: Casting Memory Deluge out of Urza's ability doesn't work, as no mana was spent to cast it.

@EisenherzMTG 2 года назад

Yup, thats true. Did I misplay that somewhere? It's usually only relevant when you randomly flip into it with Urza, which is something we try to avoid and only do when we have mana open and nothing else to do.