The Ultimate Timberwolves Team

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In this series, I assemble what I believe is the greatest team possible for each franchise. In this specific video, we're looking at the Minnesota Timberwolves and the Seattle Supersonics.
5 starters, 5 backups, and 3 rotations players. A total of 13 roster spots on each Ultimate Team. It's not just about talent, but it's about building a team that works and gels together.
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@jonnyarnett 2 месяца назад

IMPORTANT NOTICE: Only 3 teams are left in the Ultimate Team Series, and they are The Blazers, Warriors and Wizards… BUT the Blazers are the only team left who will get their own individual video before the Ultimate Team compilation. The Warriors and Wizards will be the BRAND NEW content in the compilation, and as always, there will be timestamps in the pinned comment of that compilation video, so if you’re waiting for the Warriors or Wizards, make sure to tune in for the compilation when it drops! Corrections: Forgot to include Ricky Rubio in the honorables. Also Jimmy Butler's stats display 22-23 on the screen, but that was just a mistake. As the audio indicates, those are actually his 17-18 numbers when he was with Minnesota. How many games would the Ultimate Timberwolves win in the Ultimate regular season??

@celtics17banners84 2 месяца назад

They’re winning no more than 30 games. 25-57 is my hunch

@nooby2907 2 месяца назад

The 2nd unit is probably on the weaker side of things so maybe like 34-44 games

@GloriousKev 2 месяца назад

It's disappointing that the Warriors and Wizards aren't getting their own videos. It makes the series feel incomplete tbh. It's your choice of course but I hope you reconsider.

@jonnyarnett 2 месяца назад

@GloriousKev I mean, I don't know what difference it makes for people who want to see just the Warriors or Wizards. Just click on the on the timestamp and bounce after its done if thats all you want. Personally, I feel like it's more disappointing when a compilation video is uploaded, and there's literally NOTHING NEW in it. I aim to never do that, that way the loyal viewers always have something new to enjoy.

@npa2005 2 месяца назад

@@jonnyarnettWhat if you were to put the Warriors in a video since that team is pretty stacked but put the Wizards in the compilation as brand new content?

@user-zb4se6xj8r 2 месяца назад

I feel like Jimmy Butler and Kevin Garnett would make a really good duo.

@fortynights1513 2 месяца назад

They definitely would be. But you can tell this is a younger franchise when JR Rider is in the second team, and Gobert who hasn’t been there for long is the starting center.

@MrE_ 2 месяца назад

Butler, Garnett, and Ant on the same team will keep toughness and defense at an all time high

@neilbryanbucsit197 2 месяца назад

@@MrE_ two of them are fake tough guys so I dont about the three of them bringing the toughness

@huecogrinding4804 2 месяца назад

Kg and ant are fake?

@huecogrinding4804 2 месяца назад

Butler can't be fake, childhood homeless changes people

@zyshawnmoore551 2 месяца назад

A big three of Jimmy, Ant & KG? They gonna be given other teams headaches with the trash talking and the lock up defense💯

@jesseb5985 2 месяца назад

Jimmy and Ant would be the best brother duo

@jeffwilliams9548 2 месяца назад

Facts, this will be an underrated all time team.

@adg9042 Месяц назад

the all time west is stacked bruh

@shorewall 2 месяца назад

That Starting 5 is real nice!

@jonnyarnett 2 месяца назад

Surprisingly nice for a newer franchise, thats statistically the most losing franchise ever. Lol. Expected this team to epically suck, but they're not all that bad tbh.

@shorewall 2 месяца назад

@@jonnyarnett If they all played at the same time... ANT and this current Minnesota team has potential.

@fortynights1513 2 месяца назад

@@jonnyarnettBy win percentage the worst? I thought the Clippers would be down there by more?

@jonnyarnett 2 месяца назад

@fortynights1513 Kings have the most losses overall, Wolves have the worst Win Percentage and the Clippers have the 2nd worst percentage en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_all-time_NBA_win-loss_records

@UnconventionalReasoning 2 месяца назад

That starting 5 is really nice until we look at some of the competition, especially the Lakers, Rockets, and Warriors.

@mukaiba1 2 месяца назад

My only gripe with this list is missing out on Terrell Brandon. He was a true leader and even Chauncey Billups credits him for learning how to be a point guard. Love this series!

@StrangeAquaticCow 2 месяца назад

I feel you should also say who will be coaching the team and why. I love the series!

@jonnyarnett 2 месяца назад

I'll be going over the coaches when we do the 2k simulation 👍

@tien315 Месяц назад

@@jonnyarnettIf I may ask, how are you gonna do teams that have players not in 2K, like Charles Barkely? Just custom characters i assume?

@MyYTwatcher 2 месяца назад

I kind of thought that Tom Gugliotta will get to rotation players, I see your point.

@Titch-de2re 2 месяца назад

I would personally move Gobert to the bench and slide KG to the 5, so that Love can enter the starting lineup. Double bigs only works for Minnesota this season because the 4 can shoot 3s, but if players like Marboury, Ant, and Butler are trying to score in the paint on a team with 2 bigs that can only space the floor to the long 2 at best, it's gonna be an offensive nightmare. Love would work much better as a spot up option, and an outlet passer for the rest of the starting lineup - all of which are super athletic and can run the break. Kat and Gobert have also proven now that they are capable of playing together, so having them come off the bench at the same time isn't a bad thing. When you factor in defence and overall impact on winning, you could argue KAT was having his best season of his career at the 4 before he went down with injury. I would also give the DiAngelo Russell spot to Ricky Rubio, and swap out Jefferson for Sprewell, since the team already basically has 3 guys that can play the 5.

@sethbowman7578 2 месяца назад

Having a young Kevin Love in his prime would be better than an aging Gobert. Gobert has been great this year and will likely win DPOY, but I think it would be better for winning games having Kevin Love’s offensive versatility, fantastic rebounding, passing, solid defense, and better all around team play. Gobert being on the bench would also mean there is never a minute when there isn’t a DPOY in the paint.

@Titch-de2re 2 месяца назад

@@sethbowman7578 My sentiment exactly! There's no point in adding extra defence to an already great defensive starting lineup if it comes at the cost of ball movement and floor spacing. Having KAT and Gobert on the bemch means you have the versatility to either switch them both in at the same time, or sub one in depending on how the game is flowing!

@MrE_ 2 месяца назад

I like these ideas. I was thinking having KAT in the starting lineup to give some floor spacing, but I think love can handle that role well too

@freesgen 2 месяца назад

But in the other hand they would cancel each other in the starting five offensively speaking (like bosh in miami) Gobert will give you great defense there and let Ant, Jimmy and take the load. Kevin, Kat and DLo in the second would keep the bench productive.

@Titch-de2re 2 месяца назад

@@freesgen Nah I dunno man, Love is just the much smoother fit with the starting lineup than Gobert imo. You could argue that Love and KAT coming off the bench at the same time would result in redundant skillsets. The way I propose, you always have an all-time defensive big man at the 5, and an all-star level stretch 4 on the floor on at any given time, and aggressive attacking players like Marboury, Ant, and Butler will eat off that spacing. Love also allows the athletic starting lineup to play way faster with his outlet passing. You can imagine the grinding defence of Ant and Butler on the perimeter with KG as an anchor coordinating everyone, and Love just chucking every turnover or block down the court to Ant or Butler for an easy jam!

@xai0823 2 месяца назад

I think that I would move kg to the 5 and put love at the 4. It’s also wild that gobert is over kat. I feel that gobert would give the bench a good defensive identity

@fireshadowblade9 2 месяца назад

I can't wait until Ant and KG actually sit down for an interview together. It's awesome to see how much KG loves him. It's so much fun to play with them together in 2K

@davidschmidt1793 2 месяца назад

I missed Sprewell here. Sure, he had a short stint for the Wolves, but he averaged 18ppg in 03-04 while playing stellar defense. Was part of that iconic trio with KG and Cassell, going all the way to the WCF before bowing out to the Lakers. I feel he'd atleast be a good rotation player.

@Canteen926 2 месяца назад

Prime Garnett was a beast, leading his team in everything!

@cickenistasty 2 месяца назад

Been waiting for this one 🔥

@radu_nedelcut 2 месяца назад

Loving the series

@The_SlickKilla 2 месяца назад

You should do a joint production with @CliqueProductions and let him take all your "Ultimate Teams" and do one of his famous 2kgame simulation videos so we can see which "Ultimate Team" would come out as Champion. Hell! Y'all could do a whole 5 episode series! That would be dope.

@etcheverrypanpi2753 2 месяца назад

Amazing team anyway. Great vid as usual

@planet3vitaminpacks 2 месяца назад

So glad to see this Ultimate TimberWolves video….because it means the TrailBlazers are next!

@travismcnamara8919 2 месяца назад

The starting lineup defense is absolutely insane. KG, Butler, and Gobert are genuinely elite defenders and Ant's pretty damn good himself. Marbury was somewhat of a liability on D, if I remember correctly, but with that supporting cast, there's more than enough to cover up his deficiencies. He would probably be a better defender in this situation since he'd have to expend less energy on the offensive end. Interesting team indeed!

@baloroh87 2 месяца назад

Bro.. could you imagine really having that starting 5??!! Insane

@veljkoradovic7162 2 месяца назад

It's average in comparison to other all time teams

@Ytndarren 2 месяца назад

@@veljkoradovic7162fr bro forgets about boston, spurs, pistons, lakers, houston

@fortynights1513 2 месяца назад

@@veljkoradovic7162Most definitely not one of the best ultimate teams, but as with just about all of these, it would be a really good team overall

@jonathand.t.5051 2 месяца назад

@@Ytndarren I cant wait to see the Ultimate Warriors They might be the guys to give the Ultimate Lakers a run for their money in the west The 50s championship stars + prime Wilt + prime Rick Barry + prime Nate Thurmond + the 2017-2019 Death Lineup + Run TMC is an insanely stacked roster

@Irfanhill 2 месяца назад

I think it's one of the least achieving starting 5 in the Ultimate teams.

@chrilpy 2 месяца назад

A surprisingly good team. Unfortunately Jimmy and KG would probably bully Kat into quitting basketball 😭

@bmsuperstar1 2 месяца назад

And then Pekman could take his place, which is what should have happened in the first place.

@deezpleez3832 2 месяца назад

Nah really just Jimmy😂. kat and kg are actually cool lol

@gugga2745 2 месяца назад

lets hope they can finally win their 3rd playoff series in franchise history 20 years after the first 2 this year lol

@999lilo 2 месяца назад

Didn't realize they were that bad overall 😂

@gugga2745 2 месяца назад

@@999lilo i didnt either until recently. based off win shares wally szcberiak is their 4th best ever player

@999lilo 2 месяца назад

@gugga2745 wally being one of your best players is crazy don't get me wrong he was a great plyer for sure but compared to every team, he doesn't stand a chance

@gugga2745 2 месяца назад

@@999lilo oh yea trust me id know a lot about wally i graduated from the same hs but like, he aint that good. his career highlight is getting jump kicked in the head

@999lilo 2 месяца назад

@gugga2745 😂 still funny till this day

@h0hleek 2 месяца назад

Both Jordan sons on one team finna be nasty they atleast going to the playoffs Jimmy kg and ant gone make sure of that

@marceloasensiofilho3833 2 месяца назад

Wolves Kevin Love is very underrated nowadays. He was REALLY good

@maximefontaine7891 2 месяца назад

Terrell Brandon should be there. Definitely.

@Nba_Obelisk7459 2 месяца назад

My favorite team, we don’t have the history to make an amazing all time team but I really like the roster u put together. Defense is the wolves identity and that could maybe sneak them in the playoffs

@stanleykwan7759 2 месяца назад

MJ's sons playing together in the starting lineup is just beautiful.

@nickg5385 2 месяца назад

Butler and Garnett will make grown men cry with their endless trash talkin😭

@cesarbarbosa8875 2 месяца назад

this starting lineup is helluva good on the defensive end

@GloriousKev 2 месяца назад

I want to add Sprewell but idk where I'd remove to add him. Maybe Al Jefferson?

@Vin15113 2 месяца назад

I would take him over Wiggins

@franciscoduran4618 2 месяца назад

@@Vin15113 Same. With ease.

@zyshawnmoore551 2 месяца назад

As a Wolves, I’m looking forward to this💙💚🐺

@stanakkerman2386 2 месяца назад

Love the list. However, I would have put Terrell Brandon over D'Angelo Russell. Other than that, you nailed it👍

@ITzDem0nTime 2 месяца назад

KAT and wiggins going to have a hard day in training with this squad

@ME-kd1ko 27 дней назад

Jordan's oldest on one wing and Jordan's youngest on the other. Wonderful! I need the starting big man to be Kevin who used to be truly great on the Timberwolves before he was slightly less great on a superteam in the East and won exactly one ring. The current big men can go be on the second unit.

@d.ferris3964 2 месяца назад

Butler and Garnett…wow what a perfect pairing. I actually wonder if Rubio would be better starting with that first group, then having Marbury lead the second unit. This group actually has amazing bigs…when Jefferson is a rotation big, that’s a pretty solid position.

@seanmolloy2172 2 месяца назад

You have to start KAT for the shooting with those other starters. There is enough defence and dog with edwards, butler and KG. I'd take spree or Brandon over Russell. And you need to find a spot for Gugliota. He was so under rated. He was their best player, by far, in the early garnett years. Maybe over Wiggins, who was inefficient with the wolves.

@bekakhojava5499 2 месяца назад

Good team, but my only issue is that Mike Conley is not even mentioned in honorable mentions.

@JulianLopez-xo4wz 2 месяца назад

Minnesota Timberwolves Kevin The Big Ticket Garrett finally gets some help, with Jimmy Butler, Anthony Edwards, Kevin Love and his outlet passes, Rudy Gobert on defense, KAT with scoring, Sam I'am, DLO with ice in his veins, Wally reliable, Al Jefferson a big body, Andrew Wiggins, Isaiah Rider for highlight reel dunks. I didn't know Starbury started his career with the the Timberwolves and his street ball style. Good team could upset teams playoff chances.

@bigrandy6127 2 месяца назад

The one I’ve been waiting for, t wolves winnin the chip this year

@willemcenter8649 2 месяца назад

I feel like in terms of team structure you made an error with Garnett/Gobert and then Love/Kat. The first has all the inside presence and defensive effort. The second has all the outside shooting and isn’t as good defensively. Should have shuffled KAT or Love to the starting C to space the floor better. Imo All the names were correct though!

@sambeaumont395 2 месяца назад

Considering this team is a relatively young organisation (89-90), and they shot themselves in the foot with the the whole Joe Smith thing - they have had a bunch of nice players over the years, particularly at the power forward spot (arguably the second best; arguably the greatest 3pt shooter; arguably one of the greatest college players - then still have Love, Googs and others). But as much as they have had nice players, the starting lineup put together here is mostly defence with no outside threats, that spacing is going to hurt. I would swap Towns into the starting Center spot alongside Garnett (despite Butler issues) and have Gobert and Love running together on the second unit. I would also consider swapping Cassell in for Marbury - in fact for chemistry reasons I might consider taking Marbury out completely for Mike Conley or Terrell Brandon.

@leos_27 2 месяца назад

Gobert is fair. Putting up another generational defensive season in Minnesota, super deserved fit-wise.

@Zamppa86 2 месяца назад

Garnett and Butler are monstrous defenders so I would start Towns with them and bring Gobert in from the bench. I would also find a spot for Latrell Sprewell.

@alejanoelallen1952 2 месяца назад

🏀

@latenightnessii 2 месяца назад

1 of the top 3 all around teams in this

@maxdobasquete 2 месяца назад

Ant, Buckets, Ticket and Gobert...🤯only His Airness to menace that paint on a regular...

@PetouKan 2 месяца назад

❤ Latrell Sprewell ❤

@17thNO 2 месяца назад

Sprewell is on of my all-time favorite players. He gets overlooked a lot for off the court reasons, but he was a two way monster. The game misses players like him who brought it every night.

@jamiekelley4076 2 месяца назад

I think this team, of all the small market lower tier teams, has the potential to be a big upset in the making. The sheer talent in that starting 5 is crazy and when you can legitimately say your small ball line up would be Love and Garnett at the PF/C positions you can run with anybody. Also the problem with most teams in this ultimate teams for me is how are they are going to handle franchises like the Lakers and Celtics who have a history of elite big men like Shaq/Wilt/Kareem and Russell/McHale/Parish/Garnett who are almost always going to dominate in the paint. I think this team is uniquely situated to be able to handle that problem better than most franchises.

@ATroubledGreensLibrary 2 месяца назад

🎉❤

@ziggymcdougal Месяц назад

MJ’s sons on the same team 🫡

@sethbowman7578 2 месяца назад

@johnnyarnett Was there a reluctance to move KG out of his natural position in order to put Kevin love in the starting lineup? And with the way you set up the lineups what do you think the big man minute distribution would look?

@michaelbritt7397 2 месяца назад

You found all the talent. Tom Gugliotta is my favorite cut.

@chrisstolte7277 2 месяца назад

The team looks interesting but I have them being one of the weaker teams. For the most part it has a bunch of solid players that didn’t really accomplish much as a team. I think Jimmy would go crazy on some of these players. Personally I would have put Sam in the starting line up. There is already good offensive players there and he helps make them more stable if less flashy. I also would have put Sprewell instead of Wally on the team. Wally was a good shooter but he was a bad defender, Sprewell will bring more defense and heart. With the right coach and a mentality of having hungry veterans leading the way I can see them being a tough team. Of course if they start to self destruct, Jimmy, Sprewell and KG would make for an entertaining story.

@sidseverino Месяц назад

I think it would be better if there's no duplicate players in every team. Only one team for each player. Cassell Ant Rider Jefferson KAT Cassell Tony Campbell Wally Gugliotta Pekovic Pooh Richardson Rubio Corey Brewer REMOVE: Marbury (Nets) Butler (Heat) KG (Celtics) Gobert (Jazz) Wiggins (Warriors) Love (Cavs) Russell (Nets)

@hthrun 2 месяца назад

I think Sprewell deserved to be on there...

@gotwobag7876 2 месяца назад

Have a great Friday!!🎉🎉

@keithrochester4671 2 месяца назад

Starting five nice spreewell over Wally and Wiggins you tripping

@bennettslavin3975 2 месяца назад

Relatively well rounded but they lack huge stars outside the starting 5

@neilbryanbucsit197 2 месяца назад

Cassell should be the starting pg

@chasemichael6008 2 месяца назад

This starting five might be in the conversation for the best defensively.

@zw8596 2 месяца назад

I would have added Christian Laettner over Al Jefferson. Laettner's stats were somewhat comparable to Jefferson's and he brings a toughness element to the bench. As an added bonus, he was also an asshole and adding him might put this squad into the top 3 of the greatest team of assholes" list.

@markjackson6431 2 месяца назад

best thing that happened in the Wolves history is the all time great quote from Latrell Sprewell. “i got a family to feed” 😂

@lord-_-itachi2689 2 месяца назад

This team could make a deep deep run

@Midragor 2 месяца назад

They will push for a playoff spot, might make them throught the play in

@MrReese 2 месяца назад

The bench is almost more interesting than the starting 5, this team has really good depth for being one of the historically worst teams in the league.

@edsonduran5350 2 месяца назад

Only around since 89…. Yeah it takes 35 years to get into a groove

@jonnyarnett 2 месяца назад

It’s not about a “groove”, it’s about relative depth. Teams like the Lakers, Celtics, Knicks, etc, have been around for 70+ years. That’s more than double the amount of time to acquire talent.

@stress.relief 2 месяца назад

theyre making the playoffs

@MisterBasketball 2 месяца назад

Other than the Los Angeles Lakers, which one of these all-time teams would you want to coach?

@BrawlerDayDX 2 месяца назад

Lowkey… considering there’s are there best players they could do some funny shit run love at the two since he’s a shooter, Garnett at the 3 for perimeter defense against heavier guys, KAT at the 4 and Gobert at the 5. A workable real tall defensive lineup and It also wouldn’t be Beach to put Jimmy at the 1 since he facilitates

@lilpenny1982 2 месяца назад

My Top 5: #1 Marbury #2 Sprewell #3 Edwards #4 Garnett #5 KAT

@lilpenny1982 2 месяца назад

Second Team: #1 Cassell #2 Butler #3 Wally S #4 Al Jefferson #5 Gobert

@markjackson6431 2 месяца назад

who would the Wolves GOAT Head Coach? Flip?

@jonnyarnett 2 месяца назад

Almost certainly Flip. I should have been doing coaches since the beginning of the series, but I thought it would be weird to start in the middle of it. I'm gonna go over all the coaches when we do the 2k simulation.

@pranksterboy8371 2 месяца назад

For now atleast, Flip. But hey, that could change in a few years

@Vin15113 2 месяца назад

Kevin love should’ve been a starter he was crazy for the t-wolves

@jonnyarnett 2 месяца назад

I think thats kind of impossible though. You're not gonna start Love over KG, so are you gonna have KG or Love at Center or Small Forward?? Thats not ideal to either of those players. Can't find a seamless way to make that work.

@Vin15113 2 месяца назад

@@jonnyarnett I kinda agree I just dont feel like Rudy should be starting, I get he’s a above average defender and a good rebounder but Kevin love is a good defender and was a rebounding champ

@Petroovic 2 месяца назад

Pekovic?

@LuckyBeerCamper 2 месяца назад

I mean, this team isn't beating the best teams, but it's low key dangerous, similar to the Raptors team.

@ONEDACASH 2 месяца назад

Spree instead of rider?

@emceeschwartz 2 месяца назад

Wally World 🤙

@dionysise5008 2 месяца назад

Cassel is underrated

@UnconventionalReasoning 2 месяца назад

Out of context, this looks like a great team. And then we look at the competition, and they're toast.

@morgothsbain 2 месяца назад

Great video

@cedricbeaubois4840 2 месяца назад

I would like to see Sprewell here, he was basically 3rd option in a best Wolves season ever

@Joshuabbceltic 2 месяца назад

Hi Johnny, if you use these teams in 2k. I want to show you the link to slider to use. Because 2k is stupid with slow jumpers.

@Irfanhill 2 месяца назад

I would have selected Pekovic rather than Jefferson, just because this is the spot of someone who is not going to play at all, and Pekovic is useful just sitting here and being scary. Even more so now that he's retired and as *hum hum* "other" activities. By the way, whenever American players or media members are going on a rant on "soft Europeans", I always picture Pekovic being in the same room at them and giggle a little.

@longdadragon2833 2 месяца назад

Terrell Brandon and Tom Gugliotta over DLo and Wally.

@thescarfguy 2 месяца назад

This is one of those teams that doesn't look as good (relatively), but no one wants to deal with them in the playoffs

@UnconventionalReasoning 2 месяца назад

Yes, but they have to make the playoffs.

@martintxo14 2 месяца назад

As a twolves fan, we want Ricky and Naz Reid (and not Jimmy obv xD)

@derekt9974 Месяц назад

That's what I said. Jimmy Butler barely played a season and doesn't deserve to be on the all time TIMBERWOLVES team. Heat? Yes. Wolves? No.

@clix8100 2 месяца назад

Completely forgot that DLo was briefly a warrior before getting traded to the wolves 🤣😅😅

@killadiator1014 2 месяца назад

A solid squat, but ngl they have no chance against most other all time teams

@king_supreme1102 2 месяца назад

I almost think that Garnett/Kat and Love/Gobert would fit better together.

@jonnyarnett 2 месяца назад

I can see that. I just prefer top tier rim protection in the starting unit. I also feel like you gotta be wary of Jimmy and KAT being in the same unit. lol

@Coopercrack 2 месяца назад

I miss Terrell Brandon, but I don't know who I'd quit to put him in the roster

@derekt9974 12 дней назад

Jimmy butler didnt even play a combined 82 games for them. Also, how is Ricky Rubio not on the team?

@Italiancwb125 2 месяца назад

LaTrell Spreewell should have been a back up wing.

@elizidele2916 2 месяца назад

Ricky Rubio Doug West Wally Szczerbiak Kevin Love Kevin Garnett Terrell Brandon Tony Campbell Sam Mitchell Gorgui Dieng Karl-Anthony Towns Tom Gugliotta Christian Laettner Nikola Pekovic

@derekt9974 Месяц назад

Yup. Gotta have Ricky Rubio in there.