The Unbelievable Fall of Terrakion. 

My mistake folks, the "Quick Drop" system was actually implemented in Gen 8. What are you thoughts on Terrakion losing its job to A.I ? How do you feel about the new DLC Pokemon overall? Why are these Mugs so spectacular? jimothycool.com/

Quickdrops already happened in gen 8 during DLCs, for example we had Gengar and Kyurem falling down to RU, Zygarde-10% to PU...

I can only imagine what horrors will happen to Terrakion when it's past paradox form "Tomb Stone" is released.

I was shocked to see the Lati twins in UU but Terrakion in PU? What in God's name happened

Nuclear Bomb (Pusle) Vs Coughing Baby (Terrakion)

Part of why they introduced quick drops was because of the introduction of dlc and home in Gen 8, which would have meant that lower tiers couldn’t fully stabilize until like two years after the initial release of the game. Quick drops existed for SwSh DLC, just not the initial release

I remember thinking Terrakion was broken in Gen 5. Seeing it in PU is wild.

Terrakion is crazy but PU also got Virizion and Emboar. I swear usually the PU fighting type power level is Combusken and Gurdurr

This is insane, this is one of the side effects of Iron Mugulis being free in our world

Present boulders fall from grace perhaps this is what leads him to becoming iron boulder a true paradox and time loop

Regigigas being tiered higher than Terrakion has to be one of the craziest things ive ever seen

When I get home I’m definitely using Rest-Chesto Regigigas off of a slow pivot in the lower tiers

Now, i don’t say this too often, but terrakion falling to PU? This is insane.

Correct me if I’m wrong, but the Tapus weren’t in the DLC, were they? Can you imagine how much stronger the future paradox mons would be if they had access to Tapu Koko?

wow i saw this pictures with rises and drops yesterday and was like "WTF happened here" when i saw terrakion down to PU. and then you delivered

As someone who was very active on smogon while the weather wars happened, seeing Terrakion on PU is freaking crazy. It was a terror on gen 5!

This isn’t even “This is insane” moment What in the actual fuck happened?

Gen 9 really was the dragon ball super of power creep in pokemon.

Terrakion has fallen from OU all the way down to PU, the lowest official Smogon tier. Just to give you an idea of how ridiculous this is folks, let's take a look at some other PU-ranked Pokemon. We have such heavy hitters as Basculin... we've got, of course, Muk, and Plusle. And then we've got Terrakion. Terrakion! This is not a bad Pokemon! PU is for bad Pokemon like this. This is once a king of OU. In Gen 6 it was UUBL. It's never been below UU. This is a solid Pokemon all-around! It's got great offensive typing, high stats, solid speed, great offensive movepool, access to stealth rock, access to taunt... it's got utility, offensive options... I mean frankly, this has to be some sort of mistake. This Pokemon does not belong amongst Plusle. It just doesn't. The PU council has banned this guy unanimously already, one of the fastest bans I've ever seen. So how did this happen folks? How did Terrakion drop even further than Pokemon such as Flygon and Meganium? That's just nonsensical, how did this even happen? I think this incident was the result of a funny quirk of Smogon's tiering system. I believe Gen 9 was the first generation where Pokemon could drop multiple tiers in a tier shift. Previously, it would just be 'you can only drop 1 tier at a time' like you can drop from OU to UU maximum. But with that system, it would take a while for the lower tiers to actually establish themselves because these drops are monthly and every month everything drops one tier at a time only. So they implemented this system where if something has insanely low usage, it can drop more than one tier. Stuff like Plusle or Minun or Meganium. And something you do see when new Pokemon get released, when new content comes out, like DLC or Pokemon Home, are Pokemon that are probably at the OU power level dropping to UU just because of new toy syndrome. Everyone's using the new Pokemon, maybe stuff like Garchomp, Amoonguss, Greninja, Manaphy, are dropping in usage not because they're bad, but because they're overshadowed by all the new options. I'm a little surprised honestly to see stuff like Latios and Zapdos and Iron Moth falling down to UU; that's a little surprising, but I'm sure that they'll rise back up in the future. So usually in the first tier shift after the DLC comes out, you see a bunch of Pokemon placed in tiers that do not represent their power level. But still, even considering that, which always happens, Terrakion ranked in PU is the most significant outlier here, maybe the biggest difference between a Pokemon's power level and the tier they're ranked in I've ever seen in my life. But when you actually think about it, Terrakion's absurdly low usage in OU actually makes sense. Sometimes a Pokemon's usage doesn't represent their inherent power at all. There's many factors that affect a Pokemon's usage. The biggest and most obvious reason is that Iron Boulder is now here, who not only outclasses Terrakion in terms of its competitive viability, being the most powerful popular Paradox Pokemon introduced in the new DLC, and in terms of flavor and new toy syndrome, people are probably going to lean more towards using the fun new robot Terrakion rather than the old Terrakion that they have probably already used in past generations. Terrakion doesn't really thrive in any particular area in Gen 9 OU honestly. In past gens, this Pokemon would work well as a speedy hazard-setting lead with access to Stealth Rock and Taunt for that disruptive edge, and STAB Close Combat and something like Stone Edge or even Rock Tomb to lower their speed. But something like this isn't really valuable anymore. I mean, Stealth Rock-setting leads got a big hit when Boots were introduced into the game. Most Rock-weak Pokemon run Boots now, making the previously common strategy of sacrificing a Pokemon slot just to get your Rocks up early not quite as worthwhile as it once was. Going in a purely offensive direction with Terrakion in Gen 9 OU isn't really that worthwhile either. Something like a Swords Dance sweeping set... I mean the typing is just too frail, it doesn't hit things that other threats don't, it doesn't have an edge over the other threats in the format generally. Even something like a Choice Band Terrakion, I mean, how does it get on the field? What does it have over other breakers? It also really doesn't help that Terrakion not only matches up poorly into Great Tusk, one of the most common Pokemon in the format, also Terrakion is outclassed by Great Tusk itself! Why would you dedicate a team slot to Terrakion who has similar offensive tools, similar utility, but the same type profile as Great Tusk, meaning there's overlap, and Great Tusk almost always outdoes Terrakion in terms of utility. It has Rapid Spin, better typing in Ground/Fighting, more tools in general, better coverage now with Fire- and Ice-coverage and stuff like that. Even has Supercell Slam,. So basically after the DLC came out, folks, Terrakion didn't really appeal to anyone. The more serious players trying to build optimal teams would never want to use Terrakion because it overlaps with Great Tusk and Great Tusk is just better. Iron Boulder is just better offensively. And even casual players, trying out all the new stuff, why would they want to use old Terrakion when they can use new Robot Terrakion? When you consider all that folks, it actually isn't that outlandish to see why Meganium had higher usage than Terrakion, even though obviously Meganium is terrible. Maybe someone likes it because it looks like a Brontosaurus whereas Terrakion, no one really wanted to use it for any reason. Kind of a shame, I really like Terrakion. It's a cool Pokemon, but I guess that's what happens when power creep and new toy syndrome collide to absolutely send Terrakion usage down into the depths.

I mean in reality we all know this is new toy syndrom. Who was gonna use Terrakion in OU when Iron Boulder just came out? Terrakion will no doubt find it's home in a high - middle tier sooner or later. (I wrote this before watching, glad to see I was right on the money with where this was going.)

Im suprised at this drop, but im also surprised on how Plusle and Minun were once OU

Been a big fan of Primarina lately. Liquid Voice Hyper Voice being able to deal with Iron Boulder behind a sub is HUGE

Before Calyrex ruined Gen 8 NatDex AG I used to use Terrakion as a suicide lead. It was able to get up rocks and kill focus sash Smeargle with Double Kick, and got Taunt and Rock Tomb for utility. Sad to see it like this

Hearing Meganium’s name being mentioned for NU warm me heart ❤

Terrakion to PU, Hoopa Unbound to RU etc... this gen is just crazy

"Q: What is Terrakion to you?" Keldeo: "My teacher! If it wasn't for him I'd never be the Resolute powerhouse that I am! Oh and-" Gliscor: "Well to be honest, I don't really know much about him. But I can say this though,-" Latios: "Tough. Swordsmaster." Virizion: "Well, I guess I owe him my life. I guess... And also, I'm not the only one, but-" Excadrill: "An idiot." Tyranitar: "Yup, an idiot." Garchomp: "Idiot." Excadrill: "But-" Cobalion: "Need I say more? He's-" Keldeo: "The strongest! :D"

1:47 Garchomp isn’t exactly the best example, compared to all the new Gen 9 Pokémon, garchomp simply doesn’t cut it anymore

It's hilarious that Meganium and Regigigas are currently tiered higher than Terrakion, this is the funniest possible timeline

The Incel Gen 9 Terrakion: Drops all the way to PU from being severely outclassed The Chad Gen 2 Curselax: Still somehow legal and defended in OU

so basically Terrakion is suffering the same fate as Weavile when Chien-Pao was released at least in VGC it's still going strong with Beat Up Whimsicott

Here's my Rock-type tier list: RU: Rampardos NU: Bastiodon PU: Terrakion This has been my Rock-type tier list. Thank you

I like that Gholdengo got a lot of 5's but the council conspired to all rate him a 1 to dumpster his score

Kinda reminds me of Street Fighter where it's usually like, why use Ryu when you can just use Ken or Akuma?

I was a little confused and didn't realize pokemon could fall multiple tiers. This is insane.

Hey Jimothy I found your channel after the Blunder interview, just wanted to say I really like your channel and how you format your videos. Super to the point and I think you lay out your thoughts and opinions in a very easy to understand manner. Thanks for the content, looking forward to more!

My partner and I were going over the tier system during New Year’s Eve, and we were both flabbergasted on some of the ratings to say the least

The Quick Drop system will do weird looking stuff like this from time to time, but the important point is that by dropping to PU, Terrakion is now legal in UU, RU and NU. And as those metagames become better established, we'll see what Terrakion is up to in S/V (probably UU I guess?)

Now imagine if Tyranitar was in PU

Once again, Mr cheese string gaslighting the whole smogon council into not banning him. Im fully convinced everyone who plays OU now has stockholm syndrome and have gaslighted themselves into beleiving "gholdengo isn't that broken, hazards meta is what it is" by the sheer power of everyone just being used to him being legal for long enough. Looks like the cheese string is here to stay.

Terrakion falling is so bizarre on paper, but in terms of ou usage it makes sense. Also regarding the survey, I'm surprised Kingambit isn't higher. I expected Moon and Ghold to be up there but Kingambit has been broken for soooo long. Imo it's the only mon in the meta that needs a suspect test outside of maybe Moon (Yes, including Gholdengo. I don't believe Ghold is an issue.)

You guys should try double kick Terrakion, its meta defining

Obviously Meganium is terrible, but maybe someone likes it because it looks like a brachiosaurus

Oh, I'm so sorry. TERRAKION IN PU?!

6:52 I think this shows a flaw in how the data is presented - just showing the averages makes it unclear how Goldhengo is actually seen. But Finchinator's description says that it got a lot of 5s and 1-2s. Showing the standard deviation would show this, and if we also saw the median score then we would have a better idea of how most of the community feels compared to an average in this instance. The Goldhengo haters ARE showing up, it's just that the Goldhengo lovers are counterbalancing them almost perfectly :P

So I’m super excited to see what they do to Charizard to keep him relevant in future games after all this insane power creep

When everyone used its future form and no one used Terrakion this happened. It just got slightly over 0% usage lol

Pretty funny with the added knowledge that Terrakion has an incredibly strong Niche in doubles and has top placed in VGC already lol. If you have whimsicott use beat up on Terrak, it will give him a free plus 6 attack from justified procs. Everyone in singles just had their eyes on boulder shoulders for sure.

Most extreme case of new toy syndrome ever

What I want to know is how the hell Regigigas isn't in ZU yet. Did it get some sort of buff, i.e. a workaround to help mitigate Slow Start?

Looking forward to seeing this mentioned in the false swipe gaming how insane was terrakion actually video

Terrakion being PU while the famously awful Meganium and Regigigas are NU...now that's hilarious.

I ran a deoxys defense scarf tera fire terrakion core. It did surprisingly well. Getting +2 on defiant was super nice. Fighting stab is great and fire came in clutch against checks like amoongus. I don’t think it was bad in ou, so I’m surprised how far it dropped

What's shocking is in blunders video yesterday, terakion was getting stomped by other pu pokemon

Terrakion has fallen from OU all the way down to PU

Is crazy but this new meta is realy fun, i mean 44 mons in ou, is amazing. Uu is crazy too, almost 100 mons in Ou right now( Uu base, more drops, more UuBL who are unrealese, and RUBL) what a madness

From this time, just checked, Terrakion is now in PUBL instead of PU. Just thought I should mention that.

Well, now every tier can enjoy Terrakion's talents Guys, take advantage while you can xd

I can't wait for the FSG on Terrakion

Terrakion would immediately rise to UU( at least) if it got Accelerock

smogon? more like, smoketoomuchweedeveryday...gon. This is indeed insane.

Smogon having a stroke from powercreep

Rip my boy terrakion and also the regis, fall from ou and for the regis, the first time they were ou

Everyone's talking about Terrakion, but nobody's discussing how Gallade is now a UU pokemon on technicality

Terrakion drops more than Flygon, because Flygon is no longer a RU utility Pokemon(only keeps Scorching Sands and Dragon Tail, gained Stealth Rock and lost toxic, roost, defog) and rather solely a dragon dance no weakness tera pokemon only??????!!!!!!!

Jimmington B Cool delivers another banger of a video....

Man, the powercreep of this gen is crazy!

This is a huge win for meganium it's officially better than terrakion

Certified quilivish nah I'd win moment

Gambit is still an overbearing issue, there are just suddenly so many things that help quash interest in gambit, i can assure you it will become far too prevalent in a matter of time again (hopefully once that happens it will get banned and never get back into ou)

But more heartbreaking Sceptile, went straight to PU, Sceptile was actually decent.

Natdex is a better OU-ish format, where they can think with more than 2 braincells. Gholdengo and kingambit are bothed banned from natdex OU. At the moment im playing gen 1-4-7 OU which is much funnier to ignore terashit ❤

That is unbelievable, there’s no way he’ll remain in this tier lol.

Remember when we thought it was garchover? This my friends, is truly the sadge moment

I think overall, the new DLC raised the power level of the tier, and that made people think Ghold and Gambit less broken due to the new pokemon being strong as well.

Power Creep is a hell of a drug

The Kokolo method is not a new method of tiering, it was used in the beginning of gen 6 UU.

if only Terrakion looked like a brontosaurus...

i’m very glad that you went over the survey results for the OU tier. Hopefully some of those outrage gamers will see that the council is taking community feedback seriously. And thank you for highlighting that the council is taking feedback seriously. Seems to be one of the biggest issues in the community.

Yeah outlier situations like this is where the counsil members for the various tiers decide whether a Pokemon that is clearly not a terrible Pokemon is should only drop 1 tier instead of all the way down to pu

I think the worst part is that Terrakion's probably gonna languish in NUBL. There's already fierce competition for Fighting types in RU, and they (mostly*) don't have the downside of being weak to other fighting types, they dont fear Tinkaton's Gigaton Hammer, they don't have to fear being weak to most of the pokemon they're supposed to check, they have priority moves, they're not weak to water/rain, and they have access to actually relevant coverage. Poor boy's gotta *hope* for power creep if he wants to stay in NU. *Lucarios do not interact

There is no way it stays in PU. Shiny toy syndrome is the primary thing affecting ranking now. “Balance” is a myth unfortunately. There is simply no way a Pokémon with a bst that high and an ability that doesn’t absolutely destroy it (like truant or slow start) should be anything lower than ru. That being said, might be fun to just hop on showdown and absolutely wreak havoc in the lower tiers for a bit until people remember that THOSE stats in the Tera meta game is pretty good.

I almost wonder if there’s a modification that could be made to the tier system that factors a Pokémon’s strength into its tier? Obv pokemon is a competitive game so when there’s a good mon it has a high usage rate (a pokemon is a strong team member so therefore it’s popular) BUT this doesn’t always apply the other way around (a pokemon is popular therefore it must be a strong team member). Like you said new toy syndrome affects tiering of strong OU mons just due to use rate. Could there be a way to counteract new toy syndrome? Say there was a weak pokemon that was not competitively viable but people used it anyways just because they want to. Why should that bump others from a tier? Maybe there’s a way that strength (BST or another measure of viability) could be taken into consideration so that tiering isn’t solely a popularity contest

2:07 There is no way that thing next to Terrakion isn't just a tucan.jpg you added.

The fact Meganium is ranked in NU as well

Happy New Year bud

Just wait until the generation 5 remakes when the three musketeers get their own signature moves that do multiple things at once. Mighty Cleave will look like child's play next to the true power of Stone Axe Dance Drill!

i wonder if the fact that this was the first survey to require having a forums account impacted anything

"Gholdengo continues to be close to the forefront of tiering controversy." sounds like the opening line to one of your videos instead of a smogon analysis

How did the system even manage to do this 😂

i never thought i see Terrakion be lower then Regigigas Meganium and Rampardos

Terrakion might have momentarily fallen to PU based simply on low usage, but there's no chance it stays legal in the tier for more than a few hours.

Yeah that thing was unbeatable it lasted like 4 hours. Our best answer was Granbull.

This is obviously Iron Mugulis' doing. This is insane.

Glad the agency made a video with PU Terrak already 🙏🙏

Archaludon with Rocky Helmet and Stamina, and then Rest,, Body Press, Flash Cannon, and Draco Meteor

Teir lists never truly was based on power and more on actual usage

Theres some crazy drops goin on round these parts Obviously theres a ton of new pokemon so they gotta go somewhere but man

Another victim of AI automation. Terrakion only fell into PU when Iron Quake came out 😢

I think the biggest surprise that not as many people are talking about is Ribombee dropping out of OU, did webs stop being good all of a sudden? Perhaps it was competition with Galvantula lowering its use, but Ribombee is clearly better imo. This new UU with everything that dropped is basically a completely new format from what it was on December 31st 2023.

rip the days of sd rock gem terrakion