The Unexpected FAILURE of Danny Phantom 

no

no thanks

meh

2 hours about Danny Phantom.

Thanks Batch Hurtman

LMAO fr

Also a very similar case for Miraculous Ladybug

I was about to say ​@@WouldntWeather

Similar case happened to the Rugrats

Honestly I would never. I plan to make my own cartoon in the future and I want my involvement to be worth it. The modern state of animation has really gone downhill and this is one of the things that contribute to it. It’s really ruining the charm.

He was such a liar

Especially funny when ghost like Desiree were explicitly stated to have DIED at some point lmao

Well Nickelodeon didn’t let the makers of Avatar say that Jet died out loud, so I guess it evens out

Especially the episodes clearly contradict Butch's claim.

It was probably a censorship thing, I imagine. Wouldn't be surprised if Nick thought this would only last a season and so let them play off the ghost angles, but once it became clear it was a hit went "Uh yeah... Butch, tell them they aren't ghosts or YOUR FIRED!" I dunno why I pictured a Nick exec as Benson lol Point is as much as I don't like Butch and how he acts, he probably was forced by Nick to say they aren't ghosts.

Yeah back then it was longer now it's short

Yeah, cartoon seasons nowadays either feel too short or too long.

its weird seeing and hearing 8-10 episodes being called a season nowadays I'm used seasons being 20-24 episodes long or longer

Yu Gi Oh had 48 episodes per season and was hand drawn. Now they've got all that fancy tech that makes animation look better, but release nothing

I hate the whole 9 episode season thing now, it feels like a drought even though were drowning in content (i think its the streaming era problem, everything being released at once instead of week by week to allow time for creation)

I hate the whole 9 episode season thing now, it feels like a drought even though were drowning in content (i think its the streaming era problem, everything being released at once instead of week by week to allow time for creation)

I mean the phandom is still shambling

Exactly because you know how Timmy's Fairies in the early seasons were supposed to be a secret? And how later on in the show's run and during its final season the fairies were blatantly shown infront of Timmy's dad? I feel like if Danny Phantom would've kept running Butch and some writers would've said "screw it" with Danny's secret identity and have him go ghost blatantly infront of his dad or anyone else if Danny Phantom would've had later seasons.

You either die a good show, or live long enough to become a cash cow.

I couldn't even imagine how worse Danny phantom would've gotten if it went long.

fairly odd parents went on too long but now spongeboob is a never ending show

It’s the only good scene in the finale in my opinion. It is fitting to see the man that had everything and still bitched about it finally getting what he deserved: to be left alone by the one guy who cared about him. Vlad could have had a very loving friendship with Jack in spite of everything but chose not to. And it’s fitting for me that Vlad’s fate is to be alone with nothing.

​@@sophieamandaleitontoomey9343 agreed. It's like the one clean spot instead of a stain

Yeah, tbh, I didn't care for that direction the comic went in. We've gotten enough of him hiding his identity in the show itself, it would have been interesting to see plots revolving around him being known. But no. 🙄

But the comic is not by butch But by somone other z fan of Danny phantom made officially comic for Nickelodeon

Yeah seriously it's still gets memes and stuff even to this day there's not even much content coming out aside from the movies and a one shot coming out

Can you IMAGINE if Death Note was still going to this day? Do you think Light Yagami would still be the main character? Would the technology advance to modern tech so it'd be harder to hide the note? Would it just be a series of just 20 irl years of Light and L playing an increasingly absurd game of Tom and Jerry?

@@xacmashe3852nah there would be a new Kira that also takes the title of L from light once he dies of old age

@@xacmashe3852 If Death Note was one of those anime that was still going to this day, I feel like it would be a case of "every season has a new Death Note owner as the protagonist".

Idk why, but I really thought it was so much longer. Like, at least 4 seasons. I remember it was SUCH a big deal as a kid. And once I was finally able to access it because of streaming platforms, I was shocked by how short it was...

Oh yeah! I forgot Stephen Silver was the one who is ACTUALLY responsible for the iconic FOP style. Also does anyone else get pissed off by Butch's choice of colours, i dunno why he doesn't just copy colours from the screenshots of FOP, the neon saturated look is just absolutely ugly.

$100 is honestly underpriced so probably.

⁠​⁠@@Fatih_M177”who is ACTUALLY responsible for the iconic FOP style.” Man, that’s a funny way of saying “I didn’t watch the video.”

@@phabiorules We did and its heavily opinionated, but anyone and anyone whos actuaclly been on forums and discussed and did their own research back in the day (2010 was a hive for this stuff, and I'm not about to spend a week way-backing and trying to recover it all) knows the truth sadly. Mark didn't do the utter batshit indepth research and QA some fans did back in the day, but we do remember. Silver at the end of the day is the better artist and refined all of Hartmans work, thats not to say he didn't draw the characters, or have a serious hand in how they ended up however-. BH's dismissal and arrogance cost him a profitable working relationship and it was sadly deserved.

@@phabiorules Funny you say that cause i did watch the video at 2 AM from start to finish and my Eyes hurt so back off XD

To be fair he didn’t make a huge issue or screech reee. He just genuinely didn’t know 🤷‍♂️

You’re saying this to a guy who thought the Bloods and Crips were just “groups” in South Park.

@@umwha it isn't a huge issue, i literally just thought it was hysterical the irony.

​@@ShatteredPedestal7 holy shit when did he say that?, that's hilarious

@@normiekilla6663 when he did the South Park episode review, don’t remember what timestamp. But one of the top comments in that vid points it out.

Well well well

Take that, Timmy Turner!

Butch prob didnt have much involvement with the character designs.

@@robertharris6092 yes thats mentioned in the video

@@robertharris6092 (luckily he wasn't. Imagine the FOP design for Danny Phantom. Oh god)

​@@AnymMusicEh, I don't care either way! I do like this one better, though! It's fits this show so well specifically than the art style for FOP would've! It's just so out of place, plus it also works better for the show, since it's an action show and not just regular episodic comedy with some continuity here and there like FOP! But yeah, much better here, though!

Yeah I think it's cool that the chill he gets from his ghost sense was an early sign that he was getting ice powers.

I like how the ghosts have unique abilities sure some of them overlap but still.

Hearing that he would be able to use ice powers made me think of something that didn't happen. I thought he was going to get elemental manipulation powers of lesser used elements than the common fire, water, wind, and earth. Making him a master of ice specifically did just seem like the writers room were scrambling to make a new power for Danny and then got inspired by his least explained and least useful ghost ability in terms of story.

I do like the idea of him having something different. I just don't know why it was ice powers specifically.

I never got the hate, I thought it was dope he had ice powers.

Hey I know that's out of nowhere but do you have any Phics recommendations for someone who's starting to watch the show?

@@thelaurenbox9487 oh boy do I! Phantom of Truth is the go-to, it rearranged my brain forever. Shift by Captain Ozone is another favorite of mine! Don’t be scared by the word count it uses all of them effectively and I devoured it in two days. Anything by Phantomrose96 is a guaranteed hit. The college shenanigans au by princessFanona is a classic. I’ve got my own stuff on ao3 as gladiatorAviator (currently two phics, but I’m working on more). I hope this is a good list to start with!

Quinton also throwing his hat into the ring

mark was also kind of IN the saberspark video when he's talking about some people actually being happy with butch's commissions

The Charlie pfp is way too fitting lmao

Butch deserves all of the (negative) attention he’s getting. Good riddance.

@@RedShadowAMV what was his video?

Its so good!!

There supposed to look like comic covers

​@@alchemistofsteel8099yeah this show obviously has a lot of influence from Mavel and Dc

@@alchemistofsteel8099what do you think movie posters started out imitating?

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That makes the part where he wipes his parents' memory all the more frustrating, nevermind it not making any sense to begin with.

@@chimerschang yeah. I liked when decisions stuck. A memory wipe is just a cop out that I was never huge on

Interesting

I had a friend in high school who did some acting. According to her, the shows audience was skewing older than what the network wanted.

Danny Phantom was already set for cancellation in the middle of season 2, which is why the assumption of The Ultimate Enemy going over budget with less profit than promised is one of the more plausible theories. News of the cancellation hit fans so hard that they literally had picket protests outside the studio. Also iirc there were also some changes in the network's executive employment that also changed the direction of where they wanted the channel to take as far as what shows to host (which is why you see shows much later like TLOK suffer early despite its predecessor's monumental success)- basically mass produce and air the most popular shows and take on other cartoons of a similar skin and more episodic ones. Due to fan pressure and Butch begging for at least finishing the show with a final season and concluding series finale, the network granted Butch a limited budget and half a season's worth of episodes. Butch was hoping for the series to come back from cancellation status like FOP did but it of course failed miserably and Nickelodeon was dead set on ending the show. It's rumored that the original writers left due to creative differences, which isn't farfetched, they don't exactly speak much about Butch even though they make it clear they loved the series, and Steve Marmel did say at a time he was hoping the series would become more serialized and mature like how other productions are experimenting with kids' media (hinthintATLA), but Butch's desperation to please the network by doing basically the opposite caused them to exit considering they had no hope for the show to continue anyway PLUS the staff had to be decreased anyway since they now had less budget to work with. So the prominent staff leaving was a mix of not agreeing with following the direction the show would be going and self-preservation since they'd be losing their jobs anyway. As much as I really dislike Butch and think Danny Phantom is better off in the hands of someone else entirely, I do think it's cruel with Nickelodeon refuses to sell it to anyone else, even the creator himself, knowing that they weren't going to actually do anything with it. And even present day, it's pretty limited to graphic novels as its future. It's unlikely they'll do an animated revival because it isn't as big a success as their other shows despite having a massive cult following. Like...there are definitely prospective showrunners that would want to pick this up and take it to a new platform, but it's stuck in Nickelodeon property jail to rot.

Tbh Season 2 of Danny Phantom is a mixed bag. It's easily the worst one. Season 3 notably improves on it though.

@@MrChristo93 this show would have hit ASTRONOMICALLY on cartoon netwo--oh wait nope, wrong year.

Insane motive for a kids' cartoon villain.

Thank you, I did feel like Mark was reaching hard to give Hartman his fair due, but I remember the research the phandom did back in the early 2010's and this checks out heavily.

@@Ryusola I feel like his attitude towards him changed when he interviewed him. If you watched the interview, you can tell butch seems really nice and respectful which is completely different from how hes usually portrayed. That combined with his love with fop and more gentile and respective look he gives things now. he probably wants to see the good in him and give him a huge benefit of the doubt. I really don't blame him at all.

@@micjimster4845 And that is absolutely his right to try and portray to keep his integrity, but sadly I've heard alot of dismissal of ideas that don't gel with his lifestyle choices and extreme motivation to suppress creative voices of those who helped get him where he was. Which is extremely saddening to hear. His streak of unpleasent-ness stemming from steel held belief is a trait he's never tried to dispel or wash off in many circles and it sits uncomfortably in the room of people who come from all walks of life. Coming off as nice in a video is easy. Being geuninely nice is real task.

@@Ryusola ah, so kind of like zach synder.

sisyphus

@@wm7ap7w41Is that the king who try cheated death and capture the god of war who ends up pushing the iconic boulder forever?

​@dante_0962 no it's an STD.

​@@dante_0962boulder.

@@dante_0962Yes. Yes he is.

If it's any consolation, I would have called it the spirit zone or something.

@@angelmarin6442 For me, I was thinking perhaps spectral zone?

​@SonicLegends Hey, that's a good name!

@@angelmarin6442 Thanks

it's the other way around for me. never heard anything about this show besides the intro, but i could explain the entire EGS incident off the top of my head

Holy heck, I am seeing you everywhere. Not that it's a problem, just that it happens a lot.

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Same

he did something like that, and it showed how little he made this series (but loves to steal all the credit for)

The only one there that has a believable beef is Kitty because Johnny has shown to be a prick prior to this. Spectra was just “there” and the whole Ember and Skulker thing came out of literally nowhere.

Not to mention the tone of the last season felt a little goofier and more like a saturday morning cartoon as well. Not to mention how the show got a little gross to. (One example being a student showing Animorpho in his Mr. Lancer form a pus-filled bump on his leg. Which feels like something you'd see in The Fairly OddParents).

@@Du-yw1pz yeah, it fell into the traps that plagued Fairly Oddparents and other Nick shows.

Which finale do you think is worse: Danny Phantom's finale or Star vs the Forces of evils finale?

@@PlahaKumar I never watched Star, but everything I’ve heard and read makes it sound like it’s worse. Danny Phantom’s finale didn’t fundamentally undo all of its good will the way Star did

​@@PlahaKumar Star Ending was so bad that it made me feel like watching the show was a complete waste of time. Seriously this dumbass character Star just randomly decides to destroy all magic and every character backs her up as if she's doing something heroic when she's actually commiting genocide against magical creatures to solve racism against monsters.

Idk from what ive heard he didnt really contribute much as to why this show became so big in the 2000s

I mean, he’s kinda the reason the show fell off so hard unfortunately

Butch Hartman basically became an anti-fairy overtime

⁠@@mariajimenafigueroa233no more like the clown the anti-fairies adopted as a baby.

@@mariajimenafigueroa233more like the Clown who was adopted by the anti-fairies.

Ben 10 didn't shamble. I mean, Ultimate Alien could be pretty mid but Omniverse was great. And the Reboot for it managed to be as well starting near the end of season 1.

Nah while there could be low, especially In UA it recovered.

I HATE Omniverse with a passion. What a huge downgrade from what came before.

Yeah that's such a weird thing to do??

I mean, that's just a thing kids do sometimes. "X thing is taking away time from Y thing? I don't like X thing now".

Yep.

And Phantom Planet ended the show on a good enough note.

I feel the same thing happens in many animes. It’s always been a pet peeve of mine when it comes to writing

He named the cat “Maddie” no therapist would be able to help that.

I can only imagine they're response to the whole cloning ordeal.

"CHICKEN SOUP FOR THE SOUL", YOU'RE RIGHT!

it really makes you wonder what nick would be like now if they actually let spongebob end after the first movie like it intended to.

Ok. That makes sense.

Tbf it was just grocery shop employees, not like it was anyone important

I'll never forget the time of feeling super awkward around my late grandparents who were worried when they glanced over me binging AMVs of Danny Phantom one day, like I was sitting on the livingroom couch for a good 2 hours and could see out the corner of my eye that my grandparents were glancing over at my screen in between commercials of their movie, they even asked me odd questions (can't fully remember) only for me to find out later in the night while visiting the tumblr tag that a few days prior it was over the news about the Ember fan incident, and a lot of the AMVs I had watched that day had danny fighting ember in it since I enjoyed the ones where he fought his foes. It dawned on me that they were checking on me cause they had just heard a few days prior on the news of a guy not much older than me, murder someone for ember and there I was watching a video in plain sight with her in it. I never talked with them about the AMVs I was watching but I do wonder what they were thinking when they saw me watching DP back then.

@@MrPsyren99So apparently the lives of innocent people aren’t important? F*ck off.

​@@MrPsyren99 well well aren't we just a little bit edgey today

Bruh​@@MrPsyren99

Also Quintons 7 hour nicktoons unite vid

The difference is that he actually soft defends Butch.

​@@pinstripecool34Nope, no lolcows

*Cough*StevenUniverse*Cough*

Making sure that was pointed out before I said anything

Yeah, bit of a blunder on his end.

Thank you. I wanted to point this out, but glad someone else did.

@@TheGloriousLobsterEmperor I hope someone got fired for that one

​@@TheGloriousLobsterEmperorMaybe the real racism was the friends we made along the way

Fandom, phandom. Ha that’s clever

Did the kid start with "yo" or "young"?

@@BBHood217 I think it was yo

I felt second hand embarrassment just reading that

My uncle did that

@@JoeyRavioli 😮 wowzers

​@@JoeyRavioliwait is that true

​@@jadenbryant9283No it was just an edgy joke im sorry 😢 (To clarify, I didnt mean Randy was my uncle)

El Tigre was super underrated

@@xxbananabishxxwashere6658 So I've heard! I've never actually seen it myself, but it looks pretty good.

@@TayumeTheMuffinMan El Tigre: The Adventures of Manny Rivera video game was also on PlayStation 2 so at least his show was lucky enough to get a stand-alone console game.

Because he a sociopath

I think he also kinda blamed Mary Kate Bergman’s death on Tara Strong (She was friends with Bergman)

Butch Hartman edited that part out from the podcast he originally said that in, but of course the internet archived that clip before he made said edit. The internet in general is quick to specifically clip or archive people saying inappropriate stuff, especially about suicide, just to make them look like a complete monster.

@@andykishore What other way is there to take Butch joking that Mary killed herself after Tara secured her role???

@@TECH097 Unfortunately for Butch, the internet NEVER forgets.

Oh that's simple. It was Beethoven the Forth.

So there's this man. He has a time machine. Up and down history he goes, zip zip zip zip zip, getting into scrapes.

That guy had problems long before watching Danny Phantom, if it wasn't this show, it would've been something else that pushed him over the edge.

​@@mechajay3358 imagine if it was Meg griffin or some shit he got obsessed with "ye lyn from bobs burgers speaks to me every night one day I'll have my own bobby and burger joint"

Is that really a minor issue?

I wouldn't even call DP a Failure.

​@@mechajay3358honestly, makes me wonder what the show could've been had Nick taken better care of it

also it has a super dedicated fandom.

It's like invader zim or avatar where people didn't care for it when it initially aired but got popular over time.

That would be too controversial for the squeaky clean image Butch still thinks he has

I can't believe Butch intentionally caused that

Well he did do some Randy fan art at one point.

@@MaxiemumKarnagewhat?

just like any other show in the world buddy :3

​@@rapripsnot true at all

@@raprips Well yes,it's true.But compared to several"good+flawed"shows we have out there(even classic fairly oddparents)seems like this show has some pretty massive flaws that even interfere with the things this show tries to do right.

@@Pepe_Le_Pew-qv4pn yeah, i guess you’re right

Same how I feel about samurai jack's final season

Irish

More like he embraced religion to further become a grifter. No different to Eric Cartman doing the same thing with his religious albums.

If that’s true, then that’s based 👌

luigi's mansion except luigi doesn't suck up ghost with a vacuum but beats the daylight out of them with the vacuum

​​@@woketacha6112funnily enough, that's what he does in mansion 3

I love this comment . I get chills watching that episode . I have to pick a day to watch it 😂