The Unintended Complexity of a VR Fighting Game 

I’m a complete beginner to the game as I just built a pc that could handle pc gaming. Your videos have been so helpful, and are the honestly the best ever man, sorry for subbing 😂

sorry i had to sub

Subbed on the first video I saw. I hope this has appeased you oh shoeless one! Excellently made video, informative and captivating, and drew my attention to an amazing game that I was unaware of! How do you not have more subs?!

Any chance this games comes to PSVR2

Loser, now you have to teach me more >:)

Soooo water and fire?

that's gold 😂

@@zeppie_ No. Wood bending and Metal bending.

This comment is so good I'm mad.

Yes that describes the flick video He is the flick god (I just watched it it’s good )

It really do be like an anime where all the main characters have signature moves

the first true e sport

Sparc was legit

Echo vr was awesome. So awesome that meta shut it down and the fan base modified the code and got the servers back up.

whats wrong with Blaston?

I can vouch for @DuccDev. Echo VR was BY FAR the best VR E-Sport and possibly the first as well established one as well. It was always be in my heart as I competed for quite sometime. However I just got into Rumble, getting black belt in my 3rd day, got some basic combos in the Skill Tree video down, and honestly I don’t think there’s another game that’s made me so eager to learn and excited to get on and sweat than Rumble in a long time. I hope it doesn’t die out.

Pavlov is good but then again it is just VR CS:GO, Beat Saber is probably the best contender for VR E-Sport though.

Dude, imagine the same complexity but with waterbending. Waves to zone and push shit, ice sliding to dash or make areas harder to move across, pillars to gain height or smack someone, icicles to harass or go on full barrage offense, quick freezing or melting as defense AND offense. Water depth could be a boon or problem, rain could intensify the entire thing...

one style already had massive complexity. adding the other 3 would scale that so much. I would love to see it in action. especially as you might start to see people going to different styles like top tier sc2 players pick their races.

@@deefdragon Well game design is really hard, so optimally you’d wanna make a full fledged game with one style each, all of which would take several years. Then you’d have to take that same time to make one game optimized enough to run all the interactions they would have as well as code said interactions of which there were many, and then you’d have to balance them against each other. I think it’d be better to stick with one element per game.

@@ASquared544Very true, but still fun to dream.

@@ASquared544 Yeah, that's what I was thinking, still would love to see a game for the other 3 elements

wise words at the end there my friend. The rumble community is honestly a rare treasure

@@shoeless_man any chance you know when it’s coming to quest? I don’t have a good enough computer for pcvr

Everything feels very deliberate and tactical in this game, I think it might be the closest to a full true VR fighting game out there

It's the kind of immersion that motion inputs tried to achieve back then

Woah it’s the tortino man

@@caseydia3957Half of this video is talking about unintended mechanics. . . . This game is right up there with all the other shit Vr games. That doesn't take away from the fun factor that the game has for the small community who still plays it. (like the gorilla tag community) This game is nothing close to a full true vr fighting game.

@IAmMrJonny I found the guy who couldn't hack it lol

You are the skill tree

Wow, so just like a fighting game!

@@user-yc9jm5tw7j I meant more in the way of a sport or a martial art! The movements of Rumble are controlled by much larger gestures than pressing buttons and joysticks, wouldn't you agree?

@@Sycee__no, this is the same in principle as any modern competitive game. You improve physically and mentally, not by putting points in a tree. You can't pay to win in games like street fighter, or valorant/league/cs for that matter.

i think what they mean is that street fighter and other games need you to be sitting down and just type. a fat person cna be just as good at streetfighter as a fit person but in this games a ertain ammount of fitness is neded to be competitive, like traditional sports@@Croix1

And it's just "Earth Bending" alone. What more if they actually had water, earth or fire.

Yeesh people can't go one second without talking about the other elements the games called rumble not tumble 😂 (Rock hounder joke) ​@@jaxongray3558

@@jaxongray3558 That would be really cool, I hope they add the other elements in a few years (you know, after we have time to master earth)

I guess I just followed the skill tree ;) give it time and practice and you’ll get there!

If they add cosmetics, it should include cloth flaps or anything showing how you are moving around would be cool seeing. Like loose leather strips around your arms, watching them fling around as you do your combos.

@@katsumitheentertainment3057absolutely

Is this where the bar is? Congratulating developers for working on the game? 😂

honestly ive never been apart of a better gaming community. I think its more fun to teach people than to destroy them, so most people just want to make others better

It reminds me of the complexity of Prey. Except it was never intended to be this complex which is amazing. I'll probably never buy a VR set but still an avatar last Airbender game like this would be so dope. They got earthbending down already. Now they need to add npc fighters and a story

Can you play 1vs1vs1vs1 on here??

The original prey? @@jordans7271

Take GunZ for example. A game that accidentally basically doesn't have a speed limit on how fast those players can move. Granted that speed also helped execute said player base because turns out, human hands have their limits 😅

Toribash was my favorite game of all time, Sort of a veteran player from it. Now no one plays it anymore. Had the best physics fighter concept imo. Wish it could be revived.

you are too kind 😭

players that suit MUDs? what is that it sounds interesting

Players that suit MUDs is an explanation of the different types of players that come to a game, how they interact with eachother and the environment, and the kind of systems the game has to have in place to satisfy them all. Explorers, Socialisers, Achievers and Griefers. World - Player interactions --------------------------------------------- You need the game world to be functional enough with enough goals and ways of showing achievement to other players for the achievers (leaderboards, legendary items, level systems etc) You need the game to have enough methods of communication and character customisation for the socialisers (think tf2 hats and taunts, voice chat, text chat, etc.) You need the game to feature PvP of some sort, even full on griefing, if no one can lose anything then trolls wont be interested. You need the game to be disfunctional/complex enough for explorers to find quirks, bugs, and exploits and be able to research the mechanics of the game. Then the dynamics between the players is more complex and overlapping. Player - Player interactions -------------------------------------------------- Explorers find an easy way to get to a late game area that has a good drop rate of a legendary item, achievers grind to get said item, they sell them to socialisers who show them off to eachother, who lose them to griefers. A griefer works with an explorer to destroy the home base of a well known socialiser, the socialisers freak out and a group of achievers work together to kill said griefer. An achiever works with an explorer to document glitched parts of the game and bring back items that should not exist to show to other explorers for research, some of their findings are extremely valuable to socialisers. A socialiser makes a clan that gets its wealth through achievers, they hire griefers to fight other clans, explorers are hires to develop exploits to throw the war in their favour. Conclusion ----------------------------------------- You can probably think of MANY games where these dynamics have come from the players and the game world, but its good to note THE MOST SUCCESSFUL GAMES OF ALL TIME SATISFY ALL OF THESE PEOPLE AT ONCE. Just think of Minecraft, it is the most popular video game of all time and it perfectly satisfies all of these people all at once, its so obvious once its pointed out. By the way for context of when this paper was written ---------------------------------------------- MUDs were very early text based online multiplayer videogames, "Multi User Dungeons" that essentially existed as an ecosystem of qualities and objects hosted on a server. ELI5 they were Dwarf Fortress but text only and you could essentially do anything you wanted as long as it fit into the rules of the server (by server i mean it literally functioned like a file server, not like a Minecraft server with an actual game program running on it) @@jr.jackrabbit10

Nah, he's right@@shoeless_man. This is top tier content. I just wish I had a VR rig so I could do more then just watch you talk about Rumble.​

vr community really b diffren @@fnytnqsladcgqlefzcqxlzlcgj9220

yes, uncle iroh did indeed once say "we must remove all interesting subtle visual distinction between the bending types in the legend of korra because uhh its cool or something, waterbending kick and airbending punch"

I was thinking this as well when I was watching the video. Like the one staying still and creating walls and throwing them felt like a classic earthbender, the flying around and the disk back dash, smacking people down with boulders you hold was peak airbender agility and using the environment to evade, with a bit of earthern power, then the clips with people spinning blocks around themselves felt exactly like waterbending. Honestly I love that we could take this as "if people didn't have all the cultural ideals tying them down to a rigid style, bending as a whole would be a lot more evolved. Like whole schools of thought kind of evolved, with people going for a style that fits them, or with a mix. I can only imagine what would happen if someone used this engine for a waterbending version it would be absolutely insane what people could discover, especially with water's property of going between solid and liquid.

@@laurasibob1106 this made me excited for the world when our PC processors are strong enough to be fighting each other with water that we can freeze and melt...

imagine, firebender vr, airbender vr, waterbender vr, then finally, AVATAR VR

thanks for the tip @HawksNestYT this game definitely needs to grow! ...(i hope i can keep it up for the 3rd video haha)

make the third video @@shoeless_man

​@@shoeless_manIf you use shorts, your channel gets a ton more traffic overall. You can upload minimally-edited clips of your matches. Maybe even just real match examples of all the different moves you've talked about here with the move explanations you've already done tacked on. I think it would give you the most bang for your buck as far as work done vs eyeballs grabbed.

its definitely the game that has keep me in VR. You'll be back when the time is right ;)

What was the main reason of selling it?

​@@kevinchang0527 combo of needing money++just not playing it that much anymore even in the little free time i had. I'll eventually get a Quest 3 or something like a Pico though, love VR

I'll answer your question with a question. Why aren't you Rumbling already? But in seriousness, unfortunately it's PCVR only at the moment, so youd need a compatible PC. They plan to port it to stand alone next year. I wireless stream from my PC to the Quest 2, but hope to get the Quest 3 soon. That answers your second question. PCVR is niche, and so are fighting games, but if you 'get' rumble youll really 'get' it and be addicted like me. Question 3? This game will change the future, but its ahead of the curve for now. Definitely hope to see you in combat mate!

​@@shoeless_manIn response to your response, what are the pc requirements for rumble?

@@DeezyP I copied "the pc requirements for rumble" right clicked and pressed "Search google for 'the pc requirements for rumble'" and a very detailed answer came up super quick, I recommend it.

Aren't the headsets all still $1000?

@@zephaniahgreenwell8151 If you are going for a quest 2 it's 349$CAD or 256$ US just looking at the price online

as massive as it'd be for the game, it'd fill it with kids and probably ward away the dedicated playerbase.

it has skill based matchmaking@@aladvs

​@@aladvsi think its still needed since most of VR playerbase is on quest and getting a match on steamVR is almost impossible cuz this game only have less then a hundred playing each day

a good thing steam made a dedicated linking app on quest to make use of your steam library.@@deanxile

i want it to come to quest so badly

WE NEED MORE RUMBLERS!

Also please add the game's name Rumble VR to the video title, I think you may be confusing the algorithm with the "VR fighting game" a little bit if anyone tries to search videos for Rumble

@@c0r-rup7eq18 The game is tagged in the description, so it should be fine.

So true. The game is still in early access. Barely has any features besides the main gameplay. yet it’s given me hundreds of hours of enjoyment. It’s only getting better from here

i dont think there's enough buttons to incorporate a magic system this complex into blade and sorcery... also, just shoving together everything "that works" doesn't magically make the most epic game to ever exist

@CrabSpu well of course you don't just slap it together. But my point is depth of design and iterational improvement should be the focus overal instead of producing more and more sandboxes with the same mechanics. And screw buttons. The whole point is to get away from them. Hand tracking is probably the future. But vr hasn't REALLY advanced design wise since it's inception because the market is 95% wrapped up in the quest store. People are over the novelty. It's time for passion to shine through and great design to make the difference.

@CrabSpu like, imagine if the latency was so polished you could speak a key word to switch an active spell, aim it with a pointed finger and hand tracking, then changing to a ✋️ gesture and everything gets pushed back. Looking at a spot with eye tracking and a keyword "move" to teleport there. We HAVE the technology.

​@CrabSpu well that's one of the reasons RUMBLE isn't using buttons. It's all pose based, and you have to train and learn the poses. This means RUMBLE isn't limited by button count. Also, poses feel way better haha

How would other elements even have properly simulated fluid dynamics without being super laggy? GPU offloading?

@@revimfadli4666 wouldnt need to. Illusion can be made using timed waypoints, fluid animation/particle system and some collider logic. same with fire and air.

Water can be made into ice and can cut. It'd balance well against earth. Fire could balance well with air too, but mixing them all might be difficult.

@@kiwiboy1999Yeah, on one hand air could hijack fire to shoot it off course or make it more chaotic for both sides and on the other hand fire could divert air or dissipate it altogether

As hard as it would be to balance, other elements would be awesome.

its true. Rumble is a rare community. Toxic players usually filter themselves out, and those that stick around love the game, love teaching other people and love being hit in the face by rocks.

@@shoeless_man That's really cool! If I had VR I'd consider picking the game up.

It’s for people like you I may be forced to make another video. The world will know the power of flick

There is no better time to pick it up. Heaps of new people have come in with the current steam sale

@@shoeless_man oh shit I didn’t see that it was on sale, ty!

so true. rumble is fun at every level.

me = level 1 howard

Well thank you again for making the first tutorials that got me into RUMBLE!

because of you... i guess ill have to make a video focusing on aerials next 🥲

LETS GOOOOOO @@shoeless_man

it's a frame perfect trick. With real life running at 120fps its very hard to do. Just takes a lot of practice with a friend

they have lol

@@stmi-iq8gz Good!

ill have to teach you a lesson for subscribing. In rumble that is. Probably how to struppercut. hope to see you in the ring too!

@shoeless_man I just tried the game. God I'm sweating from 15 minutes of trying to fight Howard, or really survive him. It's pretty frustrating to get the moves right and I'm often feeling like the games not recognizing my controllers very well, and sometimes the objects delay when spawning quite a bit. Any suggestions?

It’s a workout at first! A LOT of people have this experience. I even had it. You swear you are doing the poses right, but when a more experienced played sees you they can help point out where the rotation might need tweaking. Heaps of people on the discord would be willing to teach you if you reach out. Or @sdrawkcabmiay who I linked in the description. He has some detailed pose videos. Also you sometimes need to give it a break and come back the next day. Most important is to pay attention to which way your fists are facing (sideways, up, straight). You’ll get it. Im not joking when I say it’s hard at first!

Cheers jester! If I find the time to get into BE I’m coming to your channel!

You are too kind 🥺. FAR too kind 😐

You're one of those early 'subscribers' aren't you. 🤨Very funny Mike ha... ha. I will remember this

What's a svbscriber sorry hard to type with vr keyboard while playing rumble@@shoeless_man

Oh hi Mike 😂. Was wondering if I would see any familiar faces around here.

absolutely spot on