The Unintended Consequences of the Reformation (w/ Dr. Brad Gregory) 

Everyones different. When i became a believer, i was already suspicious of what different churches taught and felt it was a daunting task to figure out the right version of Christianity to believe. I basically accepted sola scriptura as a default position though i didnt know the name. I just felt like all pastors, denominations, and theologies were not trust worthy or infallible. I figured id read the bible for myself then look for the church that teaches what i thought was there. I quickly realized that scripture can be confusing and uses terms that are difficult to get your head around. So you look to learn the information independently but then you realize the people giving you the information have biases. After about 10 years of studying apologetics, reading scripture multiple times, attending a variety of services, listened to a variety of pastors and theologians. After all that i was sure of one thing…. Everyone had things right, everyone had things wrong, and my own interpretation of things could be wrong. I was pretty frustrated, i felt there was no chance god intended for it to be this way. I had this little wish that im sure all Protestants have, wouldnt it be nice to go back and see what the early church taught? Too bad we cant trust history. I had this thought, like lets just learn about the history of the church. Silly as it may seem, biased towards catholics as it may seem, if its true then its worth looking into. If its not, ill have a really good weapon against any catholics that i run into. Not that i felt i needed one. I wouldve named off 10 false anti catholic myths if i were asked why i didnt consider catholicism a valid version of Christianity. Man was i wrong, ive been studying for 2 years straight, converted last Easter, and ill never leave this church!

I love Dr. Gregory's work. While he writes on the unintended consequences of the reformation, primarily secularism(I mean, atheists are literally using Sola scriptura to reject the bible!), it was the opposite side of that coin that made me question my baptist suppositions. I mean fundamentalism. As a baptist, only a few years ago, I was in deep conversation with two Mormon sister missionaries. After much contemplation I knew they got alot wrong. However, there were critical things they got right that posed a major problem for my "simply" baptist way of faith. I then decided not to take anything for granted and sincerely listen to the Mormon position. I realized that both Mormonism and non denominationalism was destined from the start of the reformation. It was really only a matter of time before someone capitalized on them. Baptists and Mormons , I came to understand, were basically the same thing in so many respects. Even in ways only obvious to Catholics and traditional christians. I've been catholic for nearly two years now and I don't think I'll ever go somewhere else.

'The cornerstone of the reformation (sola scriptura) is the stumbling block of the reformation.'

The last 10 minutes were gold. Give up everything for Christ! Thank you for the interview!

Love your content brother! Started listening to you at the beginning of my journey into the Catholic Church. Been home for over 3 weeks now. God Bless you! Keep it up!

This is one of the most incredibly interesting interviews I have ever seen.

This is easily one of the most interesting and informative programs I have seen on RU-vid. Great RU-vid channel, great host, great guest.

Still my favorite episode, thanks for this one. God bless you Keith!

All true and well stated. *And for anyone with an Audible account, Prof. Brad Gregory has a brilliant college level course on the Reformation in the “Great Courses” series. End of plug.* There is yet another consequence of the Reformation however, and it may be the most consequential of all. That is, the returning to the Western Catholic Church by former Protestants from various and diverse Protestant denominations with broadly differing customs and traditions. This is, in the broader sense, a wonderful thing - and all are welcome of course. And it would be that alone if this simply meant the catechesis of a vast flock returning to its fold. But it isn’t as benign as that. But, again unintentionally, and broadly speaking, these “Prodigal Protestants” and Evangelicals are innocently bringing with them those aspects of their own ways of doing “CHURCH” (as a verb) that really have no place in the Catholic Church and as such are changing it. In short. Many Protestants coming into the Catholic Church are under the impression that the Catholic Church is just another “denomination” worth giving a try. The unfortunate consequence of all this has been a sort of protestantization or fundamental distortion of The Church.

If you want to understand the modern world in the west, Dr Gregory's "The Unintended Revolution" is it. Great interview here.

Thank you for this show.

“...and now you know the REST of the story”. Mother Mary pray for us. St. Brendan pray for us.

I am glad you recently mentioned this video in one of your newer videos. This is great.

Brad Gregory has the best lecture on the Reformation I've ever heard. It's part of the Great Courses series, called "The History of Christianity in the Reformation Era." It is a balanced presentation of the three major movements of the Reformation: Catholicism, Magisterial Protestantism (Lutheranism, Calvinism, Anglicanism) and Radical Protestantism (Anabaptists, Mennonites, etc). He is fair to all these groups and gives a serious non-polemical account of the beliefs and teachings of each group. You can get it on Audible and is a mear 59 hours long, but interesting all the way through.

Great content 👍

Love your content!

Wow, this was amazing. Thank you both to The Cordial Catholic and Dr. Gregory!

Keith as usual it was riveting. Thank you

Fantastic interview. So thought provoking and I loved the reference to our environmental crises being a direct consequence of disobedience to God.

Reality.

55:00-57was 🔥🔥🔥!

I’m a naturalist but I empathize with the host: we have the same water bottle! Same color and all! And water is life. So, we are connected.

Of course, the 'Cordial Catholic' would stand for the 'Catholic Church'. "The Protestant Reformation affected Catholics in several ways. For example, the Catholic Church further elaborated and clarified its teaching through the ecumenical Council of Trent, including the sacraments, how we are saved, and Sacred Scripture. This enabled Catholics to better know and live their faith."

It's like as soon as you leave the church, God retracts the grace to understand Christianity, and you are instantly thrown into confusion and disorder. Confusion and disorder describe prodestantism to a T. It's only by the grace of God that His people are called back home. That's why we all need to be praying very hard for our prodestant brothers and sisters. They mean really well, but they're lost in the chaos of their prodestantism. No two can agree for very long unless they are lukewarm and dont desire deeply to know God. Because as soon as they start really digging deeper, they start seeing things they can't explain, and they start church hopping, looking for the truth. If they can't drop their bias against the Catholic Church, they will stay lost. Or they just pick a few verses they like, and they disregard all the things they can't understand. They unknowingly depend on the grace of God to be led home and on our prayers for them. Pray hard for those who attack us as catholics, love them hard too. Argue with them kindly, of course, but pray hard for them too.

Thanks much for this video.

After tempting Adam and Eve, Satin's second greatest accomplishment was the reformation. Luther opened pandoras box and now half or more of Europe is atheist

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Unfortunately, the case against is undercut by a misrepresentation of the case for.

4 THOUSAND views (which is a good thing) but only 200 people could take the time to hit the like button???? It doesn’t cost ANYTHING and it helps these channels….. in my own opinion I think watching someone’s video and not at least hitting the like is like stealing

Luke 2:24

22:20 It looks like Luther became the new Pope.

In Quebec you cannot wear crosses or hijabs if working gor the public, in government.

If you’re going to be discussing rights please don’t keep saying “right” to add pause to your sentences….

You don’t need to pray to a saint. You pray to God. That’s it. There’s no intermediary to God.

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The cornerstone became the stumbling block…. Christ said sth about that. 🤔

The host needs to try not to sound like Blippi.

Instead of confusing language with the Tower of Babel, God simply confuses their beliefs with the Protestant reformation which was displeasing to God because the sin was one of overweening human pride and self-sufficiency.

I am a Protestant that is currently exploring Catholicism. This has been one of the most impactful videos I’ve reviewed in this process because it gives coherent expression to my jumbled and often frustrated thoughts. Thank you for this!

The unintended consequence that has meant the greatest detriment for the church of the living Christ all over the world is pride. Protestant pride that jettisoned valuable Catholic devotional tradition, and Catholic pride that caused doubling and tripling down on accretions of practice and doctrine and dogma in order to be as distinct as possible from Protestants.

The scientific revolution-and the fact that it DID lead to consensus about the physical world-doesn’t seem to get sufficient credit here in the making of the modern world. The reformation and counter reformation do MEDIATE the scientific revolution, but the overthrowing of aristotelianism and the placement of mechanism-based science is much stronger than the reformation.

I’m at a lost of words about the One true Christian Church that Jesus Christ started upon his Apostles and their successor’s on Pentecost,for I’ve noticed that there’s no place in the gospels or epistles of the New Testament that Jesus or his Apostles declared that the One true church that Jesus started would not have any problems corruption or any bad things happening in his One true Church started on Pentecost ain’t that the truth?🤔

well let's see, the unintended consequences of the reformation... 1. having to respond to serious issues like indulgences. 2. having to respond with a very weak counter-reformation (the counsel of trent), which denies that salvation is by faith through grace in Jesus Christ alone. 3. it's perpetual lies about it's man-made doctrines and practices.

for Catholics it was unintended but not for Christians who by faith believe and obey God. for Gods family is not universal but a small family that has found the narrow gate and avoided the wide universal gate.

I'm French. You CAN wear religious symbols in the public sphere. What you cannot do is wear a religious symbol while you represent the State. (like when you are a policeman, a judge, etc.)...

20:00 sounds like you converted due to a desire to have what R Scott Clark calls QIRC: the Quest for Illegitimate Religious Certainty. You don't have any actual real solutions by saying "Rome" (I mean you have Pope Francis so there's no excuses man-- don't want to sound too harsh here but I have to speak my peace) but it makes you feel better.