The Universe 25 Mouse Experiment 

Gigachad Scientist.

@@Dark_Slayer3000 What do you mean? Are you saying that about Calhoun, or about the commenter? Is it an insult or a compliment?

Nah, dude's overrated and tried to link mouse behaviour with human behaviour. Humans don't react to their environment like mice do, but somehow he didn't seem to get that.

@@bluedragonfly8139 see now i know you capping

So a scientist can repeatedly inflict harm on animals to keep proving a point and he is considered underrated? I do agree that we should speak more about scientist like him because they do inhumane things under the guise of research. I could see a few times repeating his social experiment but 25?!

He published numerous papers that Mice shouldn't be seen as a parallel to humans. Their evolutionary advantage (over populating) is not a good indicator for most mammals. Zoo animals like Gorillas and Pandas have very similar sheltered lifestyles but they never devolve like this.

He actually did later experiments where the mice also had access to mental stimulation, and most of the problems disappeared

Another thing that was glossed over in the video was not the asexuality among the mice, but the homosexuality that was rampant

​@@sandvich3943 that's irrelevant tbh. Look online and look at how many wild animals participate in homosexual activities, you'd be surprised at the statistics.

Inmates in prisons often attack each other for recreation.

Social media has a huge impact, but its more about having unlimited resources at the press of a button and no real threat/predators to curb the herd.

​@Shock Cat it's big cities like L.A., NYC and Chicago.

See metropolitan, big cities. It's more common than you think.

Once the XX mice have a taste of the Mouse CHADicus, lose the need for survival from average XY mice due to being educated, strong, independent and empowered,, only the top 10% of XY have all of the XX for themselves and thus decline of gene pool and birth rates. Being stuck in a containment is like giving mice dating apps and more options to be included to chadicus's harem.

People miss the word "utopia". Neither mice or men are designed to live in a utopia. Instead nature is dog eat dog which encourages social behaviors to survive. The experiment never reached overpopulation.

Ancestors: Oh no a tiger! Oh no, no food! Oh no, no water! Oh no the enemy tribe! ....thousands of years later.... Me: *being cozy in bed conveniently eating a hot pocket fresh from the microwave reading your comment* Me: damn that sounds about right

I won't bet my lives earnings on it but it seems like a reasonable reason.

Exactly! The mice need something to run from sometimes. They evolved with predators around, which is one of the reason that mice reproduce so quickly. Most prey animals are the same. When you remove the predator, you remove the nature

exactly

Calhoun did experiments after universe 25 in which he provided more toys and enrichment and got better results. I'm not sure what the end result was though.

One small issue: What is society doing, right now, that is going to ensure its destruction? It shames those who 'quiet quit', who are in reality trying to get their minimum recreational needs.

Hostility, more importantly random hostility fulled by those who seek to have a defined political ideology.

A big problem with any experiments and on animals, is "assuming" anthing, such as developing narcissism... Forcing animals into overpopulation in a confined space, *of course that will cause the traumas that occurred* it should not take even one experiment torturing animals to death to figure that out. If the parameters, the enclosures were widedened, then there would most likely have been no extra stress but did they keep the rodents penned in one specific place, no broadening of pastures, so to speak, not allowed past physical barriers... The lack of ethics to this fake science is astounding.

@@TarsonTalon Imo, religious pairing imposed on those indoctrinated to "go forth and multiply", as in stay in your predetermined path that others have determined for you, causing resentment to be passed down, not taking other factors into consideration, known and unknown, such as those assuming elite-ships taking it upon themselves to "cure" the world of imagined ailments or what they actually do/did release to cause ailments "for the greater good"... Something I think the mice did not do, force peasant mice to work in tiny laboratories concocting Spanish flu for mice... surely that would have been mentioned. But blood sacrifices and scapegoating cannot be used without religion/spirituality, so the few assuming elitists make "peasants" fearful to leave cities of their own accord while even more factors are ushered in, almost stampeding through, there's a term I can't recall at the moment. This terrible non experiment to show people they should be fearing something that would be non existent if they could just throw off those shackles that demand they follow prescribed conformities. All living matter needs periodic solitude. And there's so much space on and in the Earth. Fake leaders turn mushroom ideas into kool-aid.

@@andythomas4998 It simulates a similar problem *WE* have. We do not have unlimited space to populate. We can not just "Expand the Earth." Sure, they could have expanded the enclosures, but it would take away from a deeper meaning in having limited space.

This has little to do with the mice and everything to do with the idiots trying to control them. Sound familiar?

cope

Go ask India how they are capable

@@augustodeazambuja365 Their birth rates are now going below "replacement level" too. Before long they might be as decadent as the Western World.

Actually in later experiments they were given other thing we would have (such as toys as you stated) and all experiments ended the same way. The only thing they didn't get was extra land which technically we don't have either anymore.

I have read the experiment. Structure was changed and toys are provided.

@@AAxolotl1 but the whole world can fit in texas, so your last point means nothing

@@-eurosplitsofficalclanchan6057 Not only is that one of the most idioc responses to the "running out of land" problem, it also does not pertain to what I said at all. What I described was that have no extra space to move to. We have seen all the land that we have to see. There are no more environments for us to move to because we have lived in every environment.

@@AAxolotl1 "There are no more environments for us to move to because we have lived in every environment." you said a whole bunch of nothing. there are millions of acres of land that can be used to create new towns/cities/homes, all across the world.

Bingo

if that would be the case then the initial population shouldnt have been content and started breeding.

Existential crisis in a nutshell.

Agreed

This is something that worries me. With the emergence of AI. We may be headed to our own universe 25. With AI providing most of our needs. And there has to be some sort of universal basic income. Most of the population will have nothing to do. And as I am having confirmed. At least this person can't expect hobbies to give one a sense of purpose and value. That is the reason I believe that heaven wouldn't be a good fate. What's your purpose, other than praising God?

Good thing people aren't mice. Like every other experiment they do on mice it fails when transferred to human population.

Interesting...

And that being was an AI.

@@perseus274 More like an Artificial Creature.

This has little to do with the mice and everything to do with the idiots trying to control them. Sound familiar?

This has little to do with the mice and everything to do with the idiots trying to control them. Sound familiar?

​​@@Emilyjacksonmidwestthey are not idiots,it was an experiment about how different things changes behaviors

Compared to what wild rats experience it certainly is a utopia. And keep in mind that human society is not a utopia either.

​@@theknight1702 i think a non-wild environment (so the artificial ones humans create) for a wild animal could only be a utopia if it perfectly mimics the animal's wild environment but without the dangers of predators, disease, harsh elements, etc. this is because a wild environment will give the animal enrichment and promote it's natural behaviors. basically the animal will be in an environment that its biology is designed for, and it won't get board. unless the scientist was able to do that then i don't think he created a real utopia for the rats. interestingly, this is the reason why keeping certain animals as pets or in zoos is frowned upon. it's really hard to give something like a whale or even an aquatic turtle a perfect man-made environment/enclosure. so they're better off in the wild. it's true that they'll die faster in the wild, but better to have a short life that is enriching and not boring and that contributes to your society (the ecological system that they are a part of) than to live a long, miserable, boring life in a fancy box and not even do the bare minimum of giving back to your society in your death (feeding an animal that's part of your ecological system*). *not saying that animals consciously care about giving back to their environment, but from and ecological standpoint leaving a native animal in its native environment is good for that environment, and removing that animal could be bad for that environment. so just by existing in their environment and doing their animal things (or by dying and feeding something else) they are "giving back to their society." sorry that was long, i like to overexplain and it's 4am so i have no one to talk to😅

@@theknight1702 I think you're missing the point. Nobody is saying human society is a utopia, the point of this statement is that a refugee camp is serviceable but hardly the peak of the human condition, and that's what the rats were living in. A better environment than the one they would have had in the wild, but hardly a "perfect society" as it's claimed to be.

@@BlazeMakesGames I wouldn’t say hardly, their estimated lifespans in there are several times longer than in the wild

@@theknight1702 All animals need enrichment and space. Being stuck in a box these mice had neither, developing social dysfunctions was inevitable. They had the most bare bones basics needed (food, water, temperature) but no higher needs met (enrichment, personal space, privacy). Even 'simple' animals need more than just the bare essentials, they're not plants you can just feed, water, leave in the sun and call it done.

Right

whole idea is flawed based on your personal feelings? (logic has left the chat)

I agree, utopias make me very anxious too😅

@@VB-bs6wm what they mean is there might not be a utopia and it’s just an idea that is as humans made up.

That might be because, the concept of a UTOPIA is incredibly hard to conceive. The idea of a Utopia is a perfect Society, but what truly makes a perfect Society? This is a little off-topic, but there are a few games out there, based on these Utopian Societies, and despite these "Perfect Places", the Protagonist is always someone trying to escape from it. No matter how perfect we try to make a Utopia, there's always that Human Nature to create flaws.

It's rhe build-up process and the struggle to grab good lands, chokepoints, strategic resources, have a strategy to rush certain techs, capabilities or unique Secret Projects / World Wonders that make this genre of games so delicious.

Sid Meier's Civilization?

That has nothing to do with over population, but human behavior in general. Without law enforcement, society collapses.

@@Shyhalu In small, healthy communities, law enforcement is rarely needed. It is when community connections break down that crime becomes a problem. Look at Mayberry. The town in the Andy Griffith Show may seem unrealistic now, but is existed and still exists all over the world. People who grow up together with a common purpose and connection can create a haven of peace and cooperation. Everyone is a friend and they leave their doors unlocked until an outside force or an imbalance in the community changes things.

@@tabaxikhajit4541 The world isn't made of small communities.

Mice have pedophiles too?

Brilliant post! Thank you! I am very happy to see someone else keeping the BSC alive! You are not alone!

Thanks for this. I was also skeptical of the presentation, but it's been years since I went through this in class, and really haven't the time to go back through it just to critique the presentation in the video. So, sincerely, thanks!

It's not an animation, friend.. idk why they're saying it is, but the characters do not move at all, thus this is more of a collection of speedpaint compilations

In the girl part.. pedophiles? In male parts… forced mating? Why though? There shouldn’t be a reason for that… when all is… “happy” right?

👀

Welcome to the redpilled son, enjoy your existencial dread!

​@@ghoulbuster1as opposed to the brown pill, which gives you diarrhea

count me in

Thank you so much! :)

Mice*

@@DMDadventures Nope, this is a diminutive form.

I love mice. I collect mouse themed Xmas and Easter decorations and have done so since 1981 as a 5 year old. I had a pet male mouse named Robert, he bit my cat's paw when he tried to swipe him through the bars. Robert was fat, grumpy, stinky and peed constantly but I still miss him. (2012-2013) RIP.

loss of purpose in life. not threats, no challenges, no obstacles. everything handed to them.

There is definitely a lot going on with the experiment. The small gene pool could really be an issue. the big take away most people have is how do humans react in a similar place. Ultimately, we have to make sure that we spend time out of our house with other humans. Join a club, go hiking with friends, just experience life first hand rather than through social media. Find a purpose, even if that purpose is to just learn.

Pretty sure they used a genetically "pure" mouse strain. The mouse scientists take mice with the desired characteristics, and inbreed them for up to 29 generations, so that they are as close to genetically identical as possible. They do this so that when they test something on mice, they don't have to worry about genetic differences in the test subjects introducing an extraneous variable. The more inbred and uniform the mice, the more effective the research. Regarding outside stimulation, yes, I'd agree. I used to raise mice. It wasn't really like this Universe 25 in that the mice were in small nuclear family units. But I did pull the juveniles from the family units and put them in the larger playground cages with toys and levels and fun. Boy groups and girl groups. Then they would flourish. One of the issues I had was that there were local house mice that discovered my "mouse house" and the near unlimited food available. One day I cleaned out the juvenile bins, and set all the mouse wheels and other toys out on a shelf while the disinfected juvenile bins dried. When I returned to the mouse house, the door was ajar, and I was amazed .... What must have been the entire local wild mouse population were out in force. They weren't in the open food bin, they were on the shelf, playing with all the mouse toys.

The problem wasn't the gene pool or anything else. The problem was that they kept calling it a 'utopia' but what they actually designed was a prison. The mice all got depression because they weren't being enriched. Any mouse owner can tell you they need enrichment and stimulation, you can't just freakin' lock them in a big box and give them food. AND STOP EQUATING MOUSE PATHOLOGY WITH HUMAN PATHOLOGY, DAMN IT. God I hate this 'experiment'.

Oi vey the mice need more diversity! Bring in the immigrants!

You realize they bunched up despite the fact that there was enough space in environment, right?

@@randomdude8202 Let's say you lived in a gigantic castle. Everyone was there. Your family, your friend's family, murderers,kidnappers,creeps, etc. There is no police. You all dine at the same table and at the same time, each day, everyday. Eventually you'll get sick and want to get away from these people, even your friend. You'll want privacy.

@@abcdefg-hv2ks this contradicts with what I was replying. Read the comment again, he says they were traumatized by being too close to each other. If that is the case, they would get away form each other. And again, there WAS space available for that. What you say has no impact on this.

@@randomdude8202 They were forced to bunch up. Food was placed in specific containers at a specific time, so crowding was unavoidable for the mice. There was competition for food, which stressed the mice. Adult mice scared away the small ones, and sometimes even killed them. Hence the cannibalism, which the video falsely defined as a "behavioral sink" The mice were living in a slum since day one. A sewer would have kept them much happier than this "paradise"

Not only that, but this was the effort of an independent "scientist" and I highly doubt the conditions were similar to millions of dollars funded labs. They were most likely fed less and had insufficient bedding, nesting materials, etc. This isn't a social experiment and does not relate to humans in the slightest. This is plain animal abuse.

15 minute cities are sounding more like the Calhoun experiment

I agree. I remember in 2008 when I first read about the Overpopulation issue in an article from El Comercio which is when I was in Peru . The German scientists explain that the earth is capable of having 100 Billion people but the only issue they found was transporting the goods such as food from one place to another.

@@kennymichaelalanya7134 yeah a technical logistical issue to be solved by the next "self made" billionaire/trillionaire

thats a....completely different discussion? The problem you describe has nothing to do with the problems the study encountered but is merely some antisocialist mimimi. Not that i support socialism. Simply pointing out the error with your argument

Do you remember, just before Covid hit, there was a lot of talk about the wasted money people are spending by living a rural life? They said it would be better use of resources for everyone to move to cities where it is easier to maintain infrastructure such as hospitals, sewer, water, police, etc. Once the pandemic hit, that talk quickly got deleted. Some people want civilization breakdown to occur. They think/hope/know they will be put in a position of power. Not because they are good people.. Just they happen to have the most money right now

Same.

"how did he know what is utopia for mice?" Looked it up in Encyclopedia Brittanica.

Probably because it satisfied all of the physical needs that the mice would need. But this didn’t very we’ll take into account the mental needs

@@therealgaben5527 "But this didn’t very we’ll take into account the mental needs" I wonder why? All you need is look in the DSM under the chapter "Mental Needs of Mice".

@@thomasmaughan4798 It did satisfy mental needs too, or so I heard. Problem is, they just lost motivation for those needs.

Interesting

@@KC-xs6tb when I living in other overpopulation cities I faced same situation.those people seemed like...made me feeling ill.

@@seren7173 Kind of like with economics, the more there are, the less value it has. When you have so many people in one spot, their individual value decreases in each other's eyes on a subconscious level. Most won't catch it before it affects their behavior, and it shows.

@@KC-xs6tb I never think about this point.thank you.

Hey, turns out that when you live in a place with lots of people, your chances of meeting one who is 'weird' increases. Wow! Shocker! You might even be more likely to meet one of those 'gay' or 'trans' folk, too! Oh my god!

well you have no background and education on this so its all an emotional opinion

if you read on the fall of civilizations they show the same property's and people being fascinated in homosexuality

​@@VB-bs6wm how is it an emotional opinion. wtf should that even mean. he made an assumption. An assumption is based on the knowlede a person has. There is nothing emotional about this. What you made was discrediting his assumption because you simply assumed he has no idea what he is talking about. Stop this. Your words carry no value when acting this way. You only make people think you are a dick

"Remember animals have limitations to their plans of the future." And you don't?

​@@thomasmaughan4798 Most other animals can't even plan out their future for 1 year but we can plan ours out for centuries.

Its pretty accurate already i would say. Look at whats happening around us

@@cinder3150 that's exactly what I wanted to say. We do not need another mice experiment.... We're the experiment.

This has little to do with the mice and everything to do with the idiots trying to control them. Sound familiar?

Everybody's missing the whole damn point. Experiment isn't about overcrowding this experiment isn't about more activities or less activities. The experiment simply proves when you take natural creatures (mice and men lol) out of their natural environments, and impose systems and structures upon them, which are so far removed from their natural habitat, the natural order and hierarchy established by nature and evolution itself..... it is always a failure, always. It doesn't matter if the artificial environment does not provide enough or provides an excess it will always fail....... Because after all a little mouse is just a natural creature, on the planet minding its own damn business try not to get eaten by predators....... it's not meant to be spending all day in cages being analyzed by scientists under blinding light, living the life that a human man thinks would be ideal for a mini mouse man. Everybody talks about finding their purpose. I tell you what, mouse purpose is to be running through a field not sitting in a lab cage, just like it isn't any man or woman's purpose in life, to go stand on a factory line and put a piece on a product that gets shipped to somebody somewhere. A person they are never going to meet, who pays for the product more than the factory worker is going to make in an entire year. And all for what? pieces of paper? debits on a card? People talk about how socialism has been a complete failure look around! Every government every structure has been a complete failure, because it only takes into account what a male wants in an unnatural system. Sex food shelter status....... Don't argue with me and go argue with all the men who say that's exactly what they want! Bass primitive needs......... But absolutely no purpose whatsoever! Man and woman have been so far removed from nature and their own humanity....... We're all the rats in the cage now. Go check the birth rates, where in the final end stages of experiment 25 eutopia. The lesson is, manual war till the very death in order to stand at the top of a dead pile of bodies and say I'm the one who got this has sex with the last female...... I win, I'm top G...... Look how cool I am

But why?

@@criminyworldriseedify8962 They stopped reproducing because the male mice turned gay and the female mice started taking up male roles.

This has little to do with the mice and everything to do with the idiots trying to control them. Sound familiar?

@@ixiahj any similarities whit the real world are just coincidences!!!

Wow man!!

But only if we don't adapt to it ourselves.

Sick quote wow. I have this feeling I live in Europe Netherlands. After WW2 we have the EU and too long peace Europe is dying migrants will inherit my land so I won’t make children. We have too long peace Europe is dying and old.

This is by far the best comment in the bunch, thank you!

Severely underrated comment. It's sad the kinds of conclusions people are coming to rather than having this insight.

But it's easier to blame those struggling the most from these ill effects, and not the powers that be who create the unnatural environment for profit. So people blindly follow that rhetoric.

This has little to do with the mice and everything to do with the idiots trying to control them. Sound familiar?

"is this still even the right question" I do not see a question. "given the current global demographic trend towards fewer children?" The mice also had fewer offspring. "What’s finally going to happen in Japan, for example?" The model suggests extinction. However, in the mouse utopia, no adjacent utopias existed at different states of progression. If the Japanese become extinct, the territory will still exist and very likely be occupied by humans from adjacent territories that are not so far along the extinction curve.

We'll just import people from the third world to replace you goym. Removing any reason for it's native population to change their breeding trend Japan will likely if it wants to avoid extinction have to accept that it's population will shrink for a generation maybe 2 Maybe it'll be the first nation to realize that infinite growth isn't possible and that a natural shrinking of birthrates is normal as the generation after generally tends to breed more

Thank you, Sumanth :)

It's stupid to do it just now the same thing happens over and over again but at some point the current generation notice the old problem and the next generation do that again just complaining about it

@@pedrotom3015 So it's probably not an issue. If it happens to each generation, it's probably just an annoying cycle that comes and goes, and we just have to live with it.

@@AdonanSit cant be a cycle, we just reached the point to provide necessary setup. Neither tech nor population was at this point at any point of history, maybe except some very few examples. But still, it is unlikely be as fatal as this for us.

Right! Thanks for enjoying it.

then how come people are depressed and unalive themselves when they DO have challenges to survive?

@@FruityHachi People in general at this time are slaves of their own minds, thus will experience diseases related with the mind; something animals don't have to deal with.

@@escuelasestelares citation needed

Yes violence and homosex

It's only a matter of time

I believe it does in a way. I believe we're heading towards a population reset of some kind here in America. There are other reasons I believe so, but the ones I'd like to talk about are in relation to the video. Despite the high numbers of population we see today the forecast for the human population growth is a plateau and decline within the next 30 years. As that time comes closer and closer we can see the sexual patterns that the mice exhibited begin to take shape. First was the initial population boom shown a bit after the mice were added to the utopia. The important thing here is that they all had access to food, water, and shelter. The real world equivalent started back in the industrial revolution, and picked up speed as working conditions became more and more automated. In the same way that the mice didn't need to "work" for their food, the amount of danger we would face as humans to get our share was other people and the economy. This ecosystem parallels the mouse utopia. We didn't have to worry about intense sickness, natural disasters, surviving the elements, natural predators, etc. We are the apex creature, same as the mice are in that safety box. When the conditions became similar enough in the world (despite the war) the baby boomers inflated the population. Second thing that happened was a slow rise in population to the point that it is now. You can find more and more people that are antiwork. They don't think it's worth competing against other "males" in this case. Not literally, but in a metaphoric sense on how the workforce has a history of tough competing masculine behavior where the best at their job gets the promotion and raise. This has recently fallen off in the name of hiring people based on gender, race, and social ties rather than the qualifications of a job. You see more and more people retreating from work and real world problems into the internet, social media, video games, etc. rather than trying to increase their living standards through getting an edge up on the next guy in any way they can. Third we're seeing some of the strange sexual behavior that was seen in the later phases. To many people nowadays they don't see it as strange, but in history most current sexual behavior was rare or unheard of. I'm not saying it's good or bad, just different from the historical norm. There are a lot more asexuals, homosexuals (I know that historically there were homosexuals, but less of them), transgender, and promiscuous people than ever before in recorded history. Like I said, not good or bad, just different compared to history. We're also seeing a rise in single women. It tends to be (but not always) that the more successful a woman is, the more likely it is that she'll look for a partner at her status level or higher. Women aren't fools. This would be fine, but masculinity is being demonized to the point where most young men don't apply themselves as well as they can or should. They have become more enticed by simple pleasures like pornography and video games. These are easier than grinding out the knowledge, skills, and hard work needed to compete with other entities out on the market. Here's the mirror to the male mice that gave up, and the female mice living in good conditions alone. On the other side of the spectrum we're seeing a rise in a certain smaller group of men that are trying to get back to work and make a name for themselves. These men tend to fall into more conservative beliefs, but not always. These are a parallel to the alphas in the experiment that weren't described in the video. We also see the part where the break down of social discourse in the experiment by our increasingly polarized views on life and how to live it. Ideologies are crawling out of the woodwork as more and more people find their "flock" to align their thinking with. Now you can't even mutter a word that goes against certain ideologies without being shouted down, reported, and silenced for having dared disagree with them. As for unrelated reasons to this video why I believe that we're heading towards a reset are a few fold. This part gets a bit messy, but bear with me. Throughout history mankind lives in cycles. The cycle of a civilization tend to go as follows according to historian Ibn Khaldun, and the scholar C S Lewis. Stage 1 is when the civilization is first founded. This is when harsh, strong, battle hardened individuals conquer a land or territory. You can see this in early pioneer days in the Americas as they spread out eastward. These individuals tended not to care too much about the finer parts of civilization and were primarily interested in adventure, survival, and strength. Stage 2 is when the descendants of the first civilization take the lead and the conquered land becomes more stable. Cities spring up, and society begins to take deeper root. These individuals still look at the heroes of the past with reverence and respect, but enjoy the niceties of city life. Stage 3 is where we're at. The people in stage 3 eventually lose sight of the values that originally created their society, and look back at physical strength with disdain. They see beauty is undesirable. Look at the successful with disdain. The people here tend to be physically and morally weaker than those who came before, and cling to their leaders for safety and comfort. Challenge is disliked, staying in the comfort zone becomes paramount, and the people become emotionally and physically weaker. Then, a hardy outside force sees the weakened state of the country, and swoops in, conquering the land and repeating the cycle. Sometimes the stronger force comes from within. More reasons are here too. I recently began to follow economics, and learned that due to a lending of debt bubble that has been rising and rising, we're going to hit one of two options unless someone comes up with an actionable plan to stop this. I only understand surface level knowledge on this so bear with me. What I understand is that we have a massive debt bubble right now. Each time we print off money to pay for it inflation goes up. However, the bubble exponentially increases each time we try to push it off into the future. If we can't find a way to unravel that bubble slowly either we'll erode our money to the point where it costs 100$ to buy a hot dog, or the banks will just crumble, and everyone's money they have stored up there will just disappear. You already see the first warning signs as the SVB and five other banks already went bust. Like I said, I only have surface level knowledge, so that's all I can tell you on that. Last reason I feel is just the general lack of unity. Whenever America had run into the problems of the past like the great depression, the world wars, and to a lesser extent the 2008 financial crisis, we were united against the issues we faced. Now you see both sides of the isle doing the largest pissing match you can find on TV. Many people online don't give a care about the country, and would be ecstatic at the prospect of a ruined USA. I think the best we can do is prepare for the worst and expect the best. We'll see however.

@@ImJustTryingToSurvive Didn't expect to get to read an opinion article on this issue here, but it's a pleasant surprise nonetheless. Thank you.

​@@ImJustTryingToSurviveInteresting and very well put

​@@ImJustTryingToSurvive Wow I read the great thing and it is really good.

I think you're arguing against your own conclusion here. Like the mice, some of us seek seclusion while others crave city life. Morality is breaking down, in as much as promiscuity, in all it's forms, has become acceptable; marriage and the breakdown of the family unit is common; violence against the person is rising; mental illness is increasing. Need I go on? All societies are born, reach a peak, decline and eventually die. It is a continuing cycle and I believe that ours is inevitably declining. But! Fear not! Another civilization will arise from the ashes to a height that will make ours seem barbaric. 😎👍

@@farrier2708 Mental illness is rising, to be sure, but I can't find any stats for promiscuity. As for violent crime, that's actually falling. In so far as morality, that's not really possible to measure, but whilst on some levels there's elements like CEO's denying water to thousands of people and massive amounts of human rights abuses even within highly developed countries, it's also noticeable that there's also genuine, meaningful, and less violent pushback. Not successful, granted, but it's still more than our ancestors were able to achieve. You are right in that civilisations do rise and fall, but it isn't really a guarentee that they must fall violently or destructively, and even then the 'Fall' doesn't mean complete annihilation. I mean, I just used a Latin derivitave just there, so Roman Civilisation might have fallen but it's also still impacting our modern culture quite significantly.

"our world will never live in a stagnant stasis, where everything is handed to us" There is no OUR world. As to everything being handed to you; that already happens in "blue cities". Generations of women who live on welfare, their children live on welfare, their children's children live on welfare and in some places it can be lucrative. The only purpose of males, in that kind of scenario, is briefly as a sperm donor. So they fight. Instinct says to fight, decide who gets to be the sperm donor.

Yes

This has little to do with the mice and everything to do with the idiots trying to control them. Sound familiar?

Complex? Yes. But you still need something to keep you busy like mice. Complexity comes from variety, not due to fundamental differences. We have many options in theory, mice dont. But we are completely capable to corner ourselves to a similar dead end.

@@randomdude8202 Not because of population growth though humans can live in squalid conditions and still preserver if they have a goal to strive for something to give their existence meaning and purpose. Which is something Mice lack the ability or capacity to do or ever understand.

I had the same thought. Experimenting on animals just because they're mammals and use it a basis for human psychology is misinformation, or pseudoscience. Mice are heavily different from us. If the scientist had used rats instead, this experiment would have slightly more credibility. Fun fact: mice don't have a bladder, rats do! The renal system impacts our psychology a lot more than we think.

then how come people who struggle still become highly individualistic, and aggressive or withdrawn?

@@FruityHachi What is the level of struggle/chaos of said given society? There is a point of NO RETURN. During that point, individual reactions will now be revealed (i.e. - the "beautiful ones" just worked on themselves knowing that the decline is happening and they can't do anything about it)

@@JuandelaCruz001 economic struggle, where do you live that you're not affected financially? "the beautiful ones" are like the big corporations and politicians, only caring about their own pockets and screw the rest

@@FruityHachi Eeeeeeh? Hmmmm... oh man! I don't think I can go on discussing with you if you just compared a large, sophisticated macro-system like a corporation to the "beautiful ones" (i.e. - individuals).

@@JuandelaCruz001 no worries, you did me a favor by showing you cannot discuss things like an adult have a nice weekend

This has little to do with the mice and everything to do with the idiots trying to control them. Sound familiar?

I doubt it was pheromones.

This has little to do with the mice and everything to do with the idiots trying to control them. Sound familiar?

@@Emilyjacksonmidwest Scientists?

Why on Earth would you want an AI " working on that "? Are you suggesting that humanity can't resolve these issues? Have you such little faith in your fellow man?

that would be really interesting

@@flyoverkid55 AI is a tool created by our fellow man

@@alejandrocastro211 My point exactly. If man can create " artificial intelligence ', why do we need it?

@@flyoverkid55 It's not a matter of needing, but the possibilities it unlocks. Some current AI can analyze way more data than any human, way faster and make way more accurate suggestions based on it. In ideas like this the work can be accelerated in magnitude of years, even decades

Yayayay!! :)

Don't think that eastern or southern society any better.

@@user-ly6pl5ot9m They are just perpetually bad, not degrading themselves into being degenerates.

@@KuroNoTenno Hmmm... Africa... Asia... Middle East... Nah, same shit under different sauce.

@@user-ly6pl5ot9m Are there insane people transing kids in Africa? Not that I know of.

@@user-ly6pl5ot9m no

The people I know with more kids (3+) are way happier than those with fewer or, especially, no kids.

And then there's guys like Rollo Tomassi who says men should have a vasectomy in their 20s . Lol

@@dawnfire82 Real

​@@kennymichaelalanya7134 seriously?

@@dawnfire82 I don’t think that’s true for everyone cause my parents have 3 children and it’s not a great marriage .

What's stopping you

This has little to do with the mice and everything to do with the idiots trying to control them. Sound familiar?

where do you live that you think our world is unnaturally safe and abundant? people struggle to find a job, people struggle to buy a house, pay for a mortgage, people struggle to have enough money to afford a wedding, to afford having kids, people struggle in workplaces with toxic bosses and coworkers, people struggle with having to work overtime and not getting enough sleep and the list goes on and on