The Unreleased Secrets of Vanilla WoW 

from the past 5 years of releases I can see the endgame no matter it being at first being extremely crazy but fun then it gettting nerfed into next tuesday and becomes slowly more boring and dies out. If its fun and alot of people are doing it Blizzard has like a itch to nerf it and make people "progress longer" to reach that point again that ends up never being reachable anymore.

I want the survival profession!!

i have no hopes for good classic+ content seeing how the classic team is messing up basically everything in the last few month

Wish you played non-blizzard versions.

Yeah this season of discovery feels everything but classic for me i have no idea why they make new retail wow instead of start this classic all over again 🤷

bubble was just dome over Dalaran, we go in side in WoTLK when it lift in the air

@@kyotheman69 Incorrect. Dalaran was under construction because Archimonde destroyed it completely in WC3.

@@Faude18 yeah that is right

its was destroyed in war 3 lol

@@myssery984 the point is it was there as an open storyline.

my god man, he just goes on about it

Why didn’t we listen 😢 oh wait we did, and blizz added them anyways (I quit from that news, if they add wow token to SOD or hardcore im just not playing wow anymore)

I also like him dunking on the Horde on every opportunity 10:17

@@kyotheman69 on his streams he's explained that he received a ton of hate from WoW fanatics when he saw where classic was going. There is nothing more toxic than a WoW addict spurned, so I get why he rubs it in.

@@kyotheman69 he should marry it since he loves it so much

Brother manifested that shit :D

Guy was chasing the graal, we know only uninterested ones can obtain it.

@@JulesArchinova It was a Hunter weapon anyway.

I wonder what he thought about getting it in Legion

@@ReedLovesBiscuits Me too. I long since bowed out of WoW by then. I imagine he would be indifferent since everyone could get it and there was nothing particularly special about it. Definitely didn't live up to the lore from what I've read.

I don't understand why nobody makes this point, but it's obvious that Timbermaw Hold is right above Barrow Deeps, the place where you go wake up the Druids of the Claw and where Illidan was held in Warcraft 3.

It’s cause it was gon be a raid but got cut due to time restraints

@@Cutsc3ne yer Mum 'got cut due to time restraints'. 😏

@@Cutsc3ne yer Mum 'was gon be a raid but got cut due to time restraints'.** 😏😩🤌👅💢

Turtle WOW has built an instance full of timbermaws in southern ashara. At the small mountain you can climb behind the sea, south of the nightelf post. It's awesome. You should check it out, they also built karazahn and SW vault into classic.

Cynical response: it would've been datamined.

@@Xazamas I choose to have my faith in the light (*epic warcraft music intensifies)

I love the spirit of keeping gear relevant, would be cool incentive to go back to Naxx and then upg the sword to lvl 70.

in any case it would be like the Scarab Lord reward, only one should have it... but then again, this soulbound system doesn't make sense anyway today some whale would buy it and then quit the game = everyone else is screwed

A ton of incomplete unfinished class questlines. personally would've liked to see those eventually turned into advanced classes but ahh well never gonna happen

Benediction staff for priest class eye of eternity quest, I miss that stupid staff model 😢 don't forget the druid class forms

Meh, fuck the alliance.

Horde intercontinental transit system guards: Elite level 60 goblins. (Zeppelin towers.) Alliance intercontinental transit system guards: Non-elite level 35 dwarves. (Menethil harbor.) After playing on certain "unauthorized" servers, I'm starting to lean towards realization that Horde was the real "carebear" faction all along...

@@Xazamas Horde is not responsible for underdeveloped civilizations.

​@@Xazamas Aren't goblin-run zeppelin towers neutral though? I don't think they attack either faction unless provoked.

@@Henry_the_Eighth_ Despite being called "Steamwheedle Bruiser" they are tied to Orgrimmar faction and are hostile to the alliance. Also slight colrrection, they are "only" level 55 elites.

Lol, you've unlocked one of my WoW memories. There are several gates to nowhere in classic wow and i had all kinds of crazy theories about them

Will probably do a followup to this, I missed a lot actually

@@madseasonshow Please do. I absolutely love your videos, man, thanks for what you do

@@madseasonshow sweet!

They already have a map from WC3, they just need to implement it

They saw her rollin...they hatin

I was just about to write the same. What a cozy Sunday. :)

its sad how many wow explorers are without us anymore

Hellfire Peninsula was planned as a Level 70 zone, and it's in the original game files - which is why many accessed it via the Deadmines.

Hellfire Peninsula was the first zone we all see. Its the login screen.

@@IvyTinwe Absolutely incorrect. The original plan was for Outland to be an end-game vanilla zone. They started work on it but they realized they wouldn't have time to finish it before the game was supposed to launch so they decided to turn it into the first expansion and greatly expanded it. The "Hellfire Peninsula" you're thinking about was the TOTALITY of what Outland would've been in vanilla. And you do not access it via the Deadmines. They are entirely unconnected. The area outside of the Deadmines map was a test area where they were messing with a few doodads for Outland. It was never meant to be anything, it was just a space they decided to use. The actual Old Outland was an island way on the edge of the Kalimdor map.

@@Draknfyre Okay, "accessible" was maybe the wrong word, english is not my first language. But out-of-bound explorers always used a glitch there, this is what I meant.

With titanforged gear!

@@Walhor as well as warforged kekw

And the new Godforged™️ and the new new tier called The Maker’s!

Second this, really hope it’s not this way though as it’ll be the end

Right.. Seems about right. Tell us they are gonna use unused stuff in vanilla then never do any of that.

I'm also under the impression that what is now "Searing Gorge" and "Burning Steppes" used to be part of the larger "Redridge Mountains" -region, prior to eruption of Blackrock mountain (which sits right between the two affected zones.) What is now called "Redridge Mountains" is the unaffected southernmost part.

@@Xazamas I think the Burning Steppes was part of Redridge Mountains at least part of it I seen no hint on Searing Gorge been part of Redridge Mountains

@@Zack_Wester Would make sense. After all, the Ragnaros was summoned at Thaurissan, located at what is now the Burning Steppes.

@@Xazamas one reason woud be that it would make Redridge Mountains huge. Like bigger then the Barren I bet.

You might wanna change your mind on that.If close to vanilla as possible,you will see radioactive infected/high on drug elves model running around.Just jokin!Not a bad idea,but I dont think they gonna pulled it,even it is logical during vanilla,quelthalas already sort of allied with Forsaken.

yeah SoD has been lukewarm to say the least, I don't have a lot of hope for blizzard to do a faithful vanilla+ as they want to funnel people into retail to buy expansions

Sod is not really that fun :/ some changes are really nice, some are not. They go a little to far with changes IMO.

@@rb-uu7du Maybe is for the best. Noone realy agrees what classic+ is so no matter what they do, there will alway be people complaining and saying "this aint it" Also the whole concept of Classic+ is stupid... literaly all people want is they to add content that was added in subsequent expansions to vanilla... that is beyond dumb... Take as an example here Guilneas at the end of the video. It was added in cata. A huge city, starting zone for a whole new race... and imo one of the best starting experiences ever. Why would i want they to force that content in the old version of the game with its limitations? ... Outland? It was its own expansion, why would i want a super downgraded version of that in classic? Now lets look at a diferent "classic+": Turtle wow... what they been doing is glueing, i should say forcing, new stuff into old one, like adding rooms to Deadmines, some that doesnt even make sense as the lab (they recently announced those changes, not sure if they already in) but like... that's so stupid... is a kid's idea of "better"... take something that you know is good and add extra crap atop like parasites or tumors.. "Hey i heard you like Deadmines... so we adding a bunch of shit to that iconic dungeon... like a Lab... why the fuck a LAB in a mine? because we are 12yr old!" How about a coffee shop for the defias laborer to hang in, or a daycare center for their children! The new Deadmines daycare center! Next patch: BlackWing Lair GiftShop! Buy your inflatbale Ashkandi!

@@josejuanandrade4439 Project Epoch is doing a pretty good job imo. Blizzard shouldn't go into it with the mindset of pleasing everyone. Just finish the original design of the game, flesh out certain specs, complete zones that were left out and add in quest lines. Vanilla wow has a very specific tone to it as long as they stick to that it would be good. But, blizzard doesnt have the talent or vision to pull that off anymore, thats why we get jokes like SOD

I agree 100%, sod with all those runes , it’s too much …

Think: we had literally 10 and 10 levels to farm in MONTHS and people kept crying to the point that those 1 day levels farmed get raid xp and a fully percentage xp buff. For the first time in wow era we get to level so different but people once more went MENTAL CRYING on reddit changing that

Enjoy dude

For real.. tanks braddah Mad

i like that idea, could be through the lake behind the eastvale logging camp or maybe something to do with that waterfall area you fly over when your coming from burning steppes

The cloister of trials

Well, the FIRST music I THOUGHT, was LOZ ALTTP's Kakariko Village prior to a certain part in the early game, I think before Zelda is captured or before we really start gathering the pendants of power or what have you.

There's one big problem with the emerald dream zone for Blizzard and for private servers. It's a really big space of nothing. It's mostly flat or tiny hills, everything's green, no objects placed aside from those floaty trees and some rock heads. Just watch a video of the zone and you understand what i mean. I played on private servers, i've been there. It's so far from being developed nobody can do something good with it. Some private servers used it as level zones and vendor zones and that's about it, though i'm sure you could do something more creative with the zone, it'd still suck in one way or another. Of all the things MadSeason mentioned the Karazhan crypts and Azshara crater are the only places with some sort of hope for content, because the places are already there. I think Grim Batol, Uldum, Emerald Dream, Quel'thalas and so on have no chance of being part of Seasons of Discovery. I don't see Blizzard terraforming much. They need all their 3D artists for their 2y schedule of retail WoW. In my opinion Blizzard should use either Tyr's Hand or/and Azshara Crater as some sort of endgame zone or raid. The former wasn't used before WotLk, the zone is big enough and i believe they could come up with some cool stuff for the Scarlet Crusade. Azshara Crater is a never released battleground. The zone would need some tweeks, but it's rather finished compared to anything mentioned in the video. They could repurpose the zone and go wild. Karazhan crypts as another raid or dungeon is also mandatory.

You are reffering to the somewhat infamous Green smoke, which exists at a couple of spots. Yu could only access them with walljumping. The rumor around the time was that using a lagg-macro on the smoke would initiate the otherworld bugg, causing the player to disconnect and log back up inside the emerald dream. There is however not a shred of evicence that this was the case.

@@Faude18 It's mostly empty because it's half the size of Kalimdor. If you were to concentrate the assets more it would not be such an issue.

Check out turtle wow

I do totally agree but i actually really enjoy sod. Yeah its not the classic + we wanted but its still pretty good imo. I hope there will be a era server for sod.

It's not Zelda 64?

Yeah, my takeaway from the video is that Cataclysm was the release-ready version of all these unreleased zones.

yeah looking back it's obvious that they ran out of old warcraft content and instead focused on finishing old plans that got cut for vanilla

Thank you for watching

Honestly considering how well pallies have made out so far it wouldn't surprise me warrior prio though

@madseasonshow hunter weapon come on now.

I'm fine with the addition or restoring the quest line, however you want to look at it. Since you have to get the Cursed Ashbringer and it's a raid drop, it will make it far more rare then every paladin having it like in Legion.

warlock prio for mists of pandaria glyph

Our only corrupted Ashbringer we got from Naxx40 went to a hunter. A paladin gquit on the spot. It was hilarious. The hunter put Crusader, and much later mongoose on it and flexed for ages.

I can't wait for Epoch, it looks great.

@@no-thanks-to-you there can be many betas but only one launch. I hope they won't rush the release and delay if needed.

I'm hoping to play turtle wow when I grt a new computer

@@CaptainBloodsail dude, Turtle would work on a toaster.

IIRC Turtle has plans for Grim Batol and later Quel'Thalas.

"incursions definately played a huge role in it" what did you have to kill mobs bosses group up and do quests? And you did try to be fast so you can have a good gph? What? You mean you played the game but you didnt like wow? Oh wow!

@@shifterashtongue2684 call down classic andy, incursions had a ripple effect on the economy and the morale of a majority of the players to the point where SoD is at it’s all time lowest now. *definitely is how it’s spelled by the way

@@Nishinga. Sorry boss, when mages farmed any shjt repetitive farm killing endless mobs per hour in all versions of classic wow FOR YEARS you looked elsewhere, no1 of your kind ever said anything else ingame ever caused inflation apart from incursions and gdkp (and your kind aparently loves gdkp since they hate playing the actual game which includes OH SNAP! FARMING! ). now because you can do incursions WHICH ARE PLAYING THE GAME 101 but YOU dont want to, your kind flames without points in the web, and youre all hopped to any new content you can get playing cata while flaming sod, this is rediculously low in my eyes "calm down classic andy. No im bored to hear this trash from people who 1 dont want the good of the game and 2 dont play the last months, for CATA srsly cata and wod were the most clown expansions ever, and i can discuss on that, andy!!!

I bet BET you dont have more than 4 days played at 50, and i have 17 and still enjoy to the max, ITS NOT THE GAME, ITS YOUUUUU

@@shifterashtongue2684 *ridiculously is how it’s spelled

I remember when Madseason would refuse to cuss. Those were the good days.

​@@twotimer6731you could say that he is in his Madseason right now :D

This is how Dark Age of Camelot did it. DAOC Was great

Guild castle would be dope. Still though it would be lame not having anyone in the main cities. But it might be worth it if you can build defenses and raid other guilds’ castles and loot their guild bank lol. Also have slutty maids and be able to gamble with your guildies

@@danfontaine8179 No I'm saying that through that portal in Stormwind you can build a garrison-esque guild hall, and it's just a place that guilds can congregate in game where the only actual thing to do there is access a guild bank, there is no raiding others or defending just a space that a guild can customize a bit and the only way to reach it would be through an instance portal actually in the cities so that people still congregate within them.

You're goddamn right, it's a hot take, and you're objectively and morally wrong.

I had Thunderfury on my DPS warrior back in Vanilla. There was only one other person with the weapon on my server. The argument is spot on, when everyone can get an item, it shouldn't be a legendary.

it wasnt that all players got it, it was that *all* players where *given* it. if it was behind an insane grind, or hard boss, or just, anything beyond clicking "give me the ashbringer"- it would have been cooler

This is a mostly Vanilla video so this comment won't be popular, but you are 100% right! Ashbringer has been such a central part of the story that it transcended the item itself, so it made perfect sence to get it in a narrative format. Getting the corrupted version and killing Alexandros in Vanilla is not even canon lol

Its about effort and luck anyone that wasent blind and death at the same time could get the ashbringer in Legion.

If turtle wow was exactly that. then it'd be great. Instead Turtle WoW has changed a ton of systems that didn't need to be touched, and made the game even more aggravating to play than regular classic was. Their philosophy seemed to be, "If it's extremely grinding and kinda annoying to play, It's vanilla style!"

Passion > Profit.

@@Hazaak. Can you write any examples of this? From what I know they have done quite the opposite to the point where people are accusing Turtle WoW to be way too fast for a vanilla experience. For example they introduced tents that give fast resting xp thus reducing the leveling grind time or they introduced the rechargeable mace for ferals so they don't need to go crazy farming Gnomer. Many qol as well like mana tables, raid health stones, party buffs and longer buff times all to reduce annoying game mechanics.

Turtle is such a treasure

Got a SoD video in the works right now actually, will be talking about its struggles

@@madseasonshow Awesome.. looking forward to it!

Is it a bad time to start SoD then?

@@aboomer420do cata

@@aboomer420do Cata instead, feels the same as SoD but with better pvp.

Dragonflight period is so disappointing

Why do people keep on playing those shit expansions giving blizzard the money and the mood to make more..