The Unsettling Truths Of The Vatican's Dogmas About Mary 

Dictionary Definition: "on the contrary" phrase of contrary ***used to intensify a denial of what has just been implied or stated by suggesting that the opposite is the case. Example: "there was no malice in her; on the contrary, she was very kind"

Greek Lexicon #3304: menoun and menounge: rather, on the contrary Original Word: μενοῦνγε Part of Speech: Particle, Disjunctive Particle Transliteration: menoun and menounge Phonetic Spelling: (men-oon'-geh) Definition: rather, on the contrary Usage: nay rather;

What translation uses the on the contrary phrase?

Lmao you are ad libbing scripture. Nowwhere in that verse does Jesus say “on the contrary” , deciever

@@joeroganstrtshots881 that was the Nasb, the Esv says “blessed rather are those” csb says “Rather” what are you getting at?

To be fair the idea isn't that Mary didn't need a savior but was saved beforehand essentially

@@alexjoneschannel that makes even less sense in the time and context Mary says that phrase If Mary was saved before her birth, she couldn’t claim to need a savior anytime after her birth

@@duckymomo7935 Very basic response to this. If you were going to fall off a cliff and somebody stops you from falling, did that person save you? Yes. You don't have to actually fall then be picked up from the canyon, a prevention is still saving

@@alexjoneschannel this opens up so many issues for Romes theology, aha. Rome claims God wants every single human to be saved and is trying his darndest to save as many as He can. Why didn’t he just do the same thing for all of them that He did for Mary? Just save humanity before they’re even fallen. Stop them from doing what He already knew they would do? This doesn’t even get into the headship problems that Rome denies which Mary would have been seen as fallen in, just like the rest of humanity.

@@myles7446 Rome does teach that, most Catholics are thomist which believe that God elevates the nature of some men so that they are freed from the addiction of sin and will be saved, and others are not freed from sin, and those will not be saved. It's not double predestination like Calvinism but not too far off. Perhaps God let's some men die in sin so that His attributes of justice may be known forever. Forever active is God's justice being practiced on damned men. Not sure if you've ever read any of the church Father's, this is very common among them

Good point. There goes the RCC's foundation for another false doctrine, refuted by the clear teaching of scripture.

@@grapheneinsider5461 A brother from my church also pointed out the circular nature of this argument. If Mary had to be sinless, wouldn't that imply that her parents had to be as well? And so on, going back to Adam, who is the source of our sin nature?

@@GerardPerry The Church nowhere.teaches she had to be sinless. This is a misunderstanding.

@@PaxMundi118 The Catholic Church teaches the immaculate conception, that Mary was Conceived without original sin. The Encyclical mystici corporis from pope pius xii (1943) holds that Mary was also sinless personally. The doctrine of the immaculate conception was dogma by pope pius ix the bull ineffabilis Deus in 1854. So yes this information is accurate and it is a Dogma. But it’s ok to ask people to state their source. I’ve learned a lot that way.

@@GerardPerry Hugh told you it’s not taught but The Catholic Church does claim, as dogma, the immaculate conception of Mary and that she never sinned in her life. I have stated the sources to him. I don’t mind someone asking me to state the source. It’s good to make sure the information is accurate.

Agree. They can say they don’t worship her… that it’s just a category of veneration, hyperdulia… but their actions speak (more loudly) to the contrary.

@@candacecovic631 lie, just your impression, as valid as anybody else's

🥱 same old lies... just boring... have a great day

@@mjramirez6008 yes. Such a lie. Wherever would anyone get that idea? 🙄 “O Mother of Perpetual Help, grant that I may ever invoke your most powerful name, which is the safeguard of the living and the salvation of the dying. O Purest Mary, O Sweetest Mary, let thy name henceforth be ever on my lips. Delay not, O Blessed Lady, to help me whenever I call on you, for, in all my needs, in all my temptations I shall never cease to call on you, ever repeating thy sacred name, Mary, Mary. O what consolation, what sweetness, what confidence, what emotion fill my soul when I pronounce your sacred name, or even only think of you. I thank God for having given you, for my good, so sweet, so powerful, so lovely a name. But I will not be content with merely pronouncing your name: let my love for you prompt me ever to hail you, Mother of Perpetual Help. Amen.”

Is it just me or are majority of Catholics like liberals when it comes to defining definitions. Just like you call the obvious, eye witness testimony of countless people watching Catholics Bow down to statues and yet say " oh no we don't worship statues" you see them wear a blue shirt and they will tell you in your face that you are lying

@Charles McKinley Thank you. The biggest challenge in witness to Roman Catholics is their Abnegation. Also referred to as just a Big word for denial, a person "Abnegates" when he/she is faced with a FACT that is just too uncomfortable to accept. Instead, he/she rejects it outright - Insisting that it is simply Not True, Despite Overwhelming Evidence to the Contrary.

Bingo. Watch most debates and the deceptive behavior is quite clear. Very similar to debates about Islam. Maybe they do worship the same god.

The problem I have is that when I read a Catholic apologist website trying to use scripture to defend their Marian doctrines, their arguments are about as solid as building a bridge from a length of thread and trying to drive a freight train across. I find this with other doctrines like purgatory and the priesthood which have only the most tenuous Biblical justification. They are guilty if eisegesis, that is, making up a doctrine and then trying to get the Bible to support said doctrine.

Catholics can not make an argument for the Marian dogmas apart from the authority of the church. The doctrine can not be found on exegesis and study alone. The doctrine requires that you've already accepted the churches authority and teaching on the subject. I think most Protestants miss this whenever they are debating or arguing. Both parties are using different standards and different authorities to make their claims. I don't talk to Catholics about Mary without talking to them about the Magisterium and tradition as well because their argument will always make appeals to the authority and tradition of the church. Which, obviously, Protestants don't accept.

Where does their argument of authority and tradition of the church come from besides themselves?@@dpunch5192

yep, and a whole train of theological mess.

Protestant Warrior Are you interested in actually understanding the long-standing Church position on this?

@@ryanpope7891 See how Marian dogmas and Marian shrines developed, how it undermines Christ sufficiency and mediatorship. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-eiYETrB6c4k.html

@@protestantwarrior1411 I watched some of it - he's coming at it from a "Sola Scriptura" perspective which is problematic. You'd also have to answer, why did the early Church believe so strongly in Mary's sinlessness? This was a false belief that was "foisted" on the Church at some point?

@@ryanpope7891 Why did Christ have to be born through a sinless womb?

all apostolic churches (the ones founded bu the apostles) venerate the blessed mother since the very begining of the Church, read the fathers (the first christians, the disciples of the apostles)

@@mjramirez6008 they didn't like Catholics and Orthodox today

@@mjramirez6008 not true

Not to the extent that they do today. The Marian doctrines are developments that the apostolic Church would have found an idolatrous addition to the faith.

@@mjramirez6008 Luke 11:27-28 "And it came to pass, as He spake these things, a certain woman of the company lifted up her voice, and said unto Him, blessed is the womb that bare thee, and the paps which thou hast sucked. But He said, Yea rather, blessed are they that hear the word of God and keep it." This is what Jesus said when someone tried to venerate His mother, He pointed them to what was important obeying the word of God and trusting His blood for salvation, nothing else saves but what He did.

We've pointed it out to Catholics and they actually lol'd at it. One glibly answered that it isn't their problem that pagans copied their veneration of Mary and turned someone else into a goddess.

Does it bother you that satan is referred to as the morning star in isaiah 14, a title also given to jesus in revelation?

I wonder if Protestants "know enough Scripture" to realize Mary was born 500 years after this Scripture? WRONG. And that the "Queen Mother-Gebirah in Hebrew", was an official title in the Davidic Kingdom (look at the list of Davidic Kings, they always mention the "Queen" not his wife, but his Mother, in the lists..), AND Elizabeth called her "Mother of My Lord"--a direct reference to the Queen Mother.

Mary is the New Eve: If Christ is the New Adam, Who is the New Eve? Genesis mentions the 6 days of Creation. The Gospels actually follow the Creation Account as a New Creation in Christ if you pay attention: This is most clear in John. John starts off with “…in the beginning.” Just like Genesis does. The Fruit mentioned in Genesis is synonymous with the “Fruit of Your Womb.” The serpent is the devil. The Tree is the Cross, that’s why St Paul says Christ was Nailed to a Tree. Jesus is the New Adam. Mary is the New Eve. Before the Fall, in the Garden, Eve was called “Woman”. This was the Sixth Day, with the Creation of Man. So, if we start with John chapter 1, that’s the first Day, then John verse 29 mentions the Next Day, this is Day 2, verse 35, the next day again, Day 3, John verse 43, the Next Day, Day 4, then the third day, now ancient writers would say this to mean two days had passed they worded it differently, so this would be 3 days after day 4, day 6, when we see in John Chapter 6 on the Third Day, this is day 6. For example, when the Bible says Jesus Rose on the Third Day, by the way we count days that would actually be two days later, but how they counted days, it would be 3. Anyways, on the Sixth Day, which was the creation of Man and Woman in the Garden, we see the Wedding of Cana, where Mary said Her last recorded words in the Gospel. Before the Fall, Eve was just called, “Woman”, and we see here that Jesus calls Mary “Woman”. After the Fall, Adam named his wife Eve. Which means “mother of all the living.” So Eve means mother. And we later see on the Seventh Day, the Crucifixion, Jesus calls Mary Mother on the Cross, during the Redeeming Act of the Crucifixion. He says “this is your Mother”, to John, symbolizing the Church, and he says to Mary, “this is your Son.” Now, obviously giving someone to be taken care of is a lot different, from saying “this is your Mother”, literally saying this is your Mother is not the same as saying take care of my Mother. So it’s clear here Jesus has a deeper meaning in mind, this is one of His Seven Last Words, or Seven Phrases on the Cross, so it has to be important. What the Ancient Christians call the Eighth Day, Sunday, the First Day of a New Creation, the First Day of the Week, the Lord’s Day in Revelation, and the Day the Apostles gathered together to Break Bread (Eucharist) and collect money, the Day that replaces the Jewish Sabbath, as a Day of Honoring God in Rest (even though technically this Rest Comes through the arisen Jesus, we must still Obey the 10 Commandments of Jesus, as stated by Him, the Day of Worship it something that can change, as long as you take out a certain Day to do so, while the Command to have a certain Day for God is Moral, not Ceremonial, Law. The Jews were only Commanded to keep Specifically Saturday, but Christians Keep Sunday, this Reat is fulfilled in Christ, always at every time, but we come together every Sunday to Break Bread and Rest in Christ in a way), this is also the Day of the Resurrection, the FirstFruits of the Resurrection and New Creation, and the Day of Pentecost. This is what the ancient Christian’s say of Mary: “[Jesus] became man by the Virgin so that the course which was taken by disobedience in the beginning through the agency of the serpent might be also the very course by which it would be put down. Eve, a virgin and undefiled, conceived the word of the serpent and bore disobedience and death. But the Virgin Mary received faith and joy when the angel Gabriel announced to her the glad tidings that the Spirit of the Lord would come upon her and the power of the Most High would overshadow her, for which reason the Holy One being born of her is the Son of God. And she replied ‘Be it done unto me according to your word’ [Luke 1:38]” (Dialogue with Trypho the Jew 100 [A.D. 155]). “Consequently, then, Mary the Virgin is found to be obedient, saying, ‘Behold, O Lord, your handmaid; be it done to me according to your word.’ Eve, however, was disobedient, and, when yet a virgin, she did not obey. Just as she, who was then still a virgin although she had Adam for a husband-for in paradise they were both naked but were not ashamed; for, having been created only a short time, they had no understanding of the procreation of children, and it was necessary that they first come to maturity before beginning to multiply-having become disobedient, was made the cause of death for herself and for the whole human race; so also Mary, betrothed to a man but nevertheless still a virgin, being obedient, was made the cause of salvation for herself and for the whole human race. . . . Thus, the knot of Eve’s disobedience was loosed by the obedience of Mary. What the virgin Eve had bound in unbelief, the Virgin Mary loosed through faith” (Against Heresies 3:22:24 [A.D. 189]). “The Lord then was manifestly coming to his own things, and was sustaining them by means of that creation that is supported by himself. He was making a recapitulation of that disobedience that had occurred in connection with a tree, through the obedience that was upon a tree [i.e., the cross]. Furthermore, the original deception was to be done away with-the deception by which that virgin Eve (who was already espoused to a man) was unhappily misled. That this was to be overturned was happily announced through means of the truth by the angel to the Virgin Mary (who was also [espoused] to a man). . . . So if Eve disobeyed God, yet Mary was persuaded to be obedient to God. In this way, the Virgin Mary might become the advocate of the virgin Eve. And thus, as the human race fell into bondage to death by means of a virgin, so it is rescued by a virgin. Virginal disobedience has been balanced in the opposite scale by virginal obedience. For in the same way, the sin of the first created man received amendment by the correction of the First-Begotten” (ibid., 5:19:1 [A.D. 189]). Now, Ireneaus is the first one to say the Four Gospels are the Gospels Written by the Apostles. Ireneaus was taught by a man, who knew John the Apostle, the same Apostle who took Mary into his Home, and the John who Wrote Revelation, and the Godpel of John, and this what he said about Her. These were qoutes from him and Justin Martyr, both very early Christians. Eve, was a Virgin, before the fall, hence why she was naked. She carried the fruit of knowledge of good and evil to man, and caused sin and death to come upon man, through this. Mary, a Virgin, Carried the Fruit of Her Womb, and Brought Salvation to Mankind, by bringing the Savior to mankind. Eve’s act of disobedience was loosed by Mary’s Act of Faith, “Do unto Me, according to Thy Word.” Eve was the Helper of Adam. We all have Roles in God’s Salvation Plan. Mary’s is the Second most important, besides Jesus. While Mary is the New Eve, Mary is not the Savior, that is Christ, but Eve did have a very important role in salvation. The reason for the Virgin Birth prophesied in Isaiah also becomes much clearer this way now, it is a type of Eve. Furthermore, Genesis 3:15 And I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your offspring[a] and hers; It will crush your head, and it will strike his heel.” Genesis 3:15 is about Jesus, called the ProtoEvangellium. The first prophecy in the Bible. The Seed of the Woman is Jesus. Hence, why not mentioning a man, a Virgin Birth. But therefore, the Woman mentioned, must be the New Eve, or Mary, the Seed of the Woman, Who is the Woman Whose Seed is Christ? Mary! The Bible starts with a serpent, a man, and a woman. And ends with the dragon (satan, the ancient serpent), Man (Christ), and Eve (Woman). Rev 12:7 Then the dragon became furious with the woman and went off kto make war on the rest of lher offspring, mon those who keep the commandments of God and hold to nthe testimony of Jesus. And he stood3 on the sand of the sea. The Woman is Mary (the Woman also stands for Israel and the Church, prophesies can have multiple meanings).

Crushing the Head Now, Eve was sinless, and Mary is sinless bc of Her special Role as New Eve. Continuing with before, with Genesis 3:15, we see the Woman, has enmity with the serpent, as well as the Seed. So to have enmity with the serpent, like Jesus, would mean to be Sinless. This full kind of enmity. Anyways, Catholics have normally said both Mary and Jesus Crush the head of the serpent. This is because the original Hebrew is “It”, or gender-neutral, but some Jews translated “It” as he, and some early Church Fathers as “She”. Now, this doesn’t matter, just like how the Gospels say that Christ Baptizes people, but we see it’s the Apostles doing it, God doing something through an Insteument, is still God doing it. So, Mary crushes the serpent’s head in a way, being the New Eve, and Christ does, being the New Adam, with the Crucifixion. This doesn’t contradict eachother, but actually goes together. And the Bible actually says something deeper: Now, imagine this from satan’s perspective. Who is this Woman Who is supposed to destroy him, Who is this Seed? Judges 4:21 Then Jael Heber's wife took a nail of the tent, and took an hammer in her hand, and went softly unto him, and smote the nail into his temples, and fastened it into the ground: for he was fast asleep and weary. So he died. Jake was one of the greatest Judges of Israel, the woman judge. Judges 4:9 “Certainly I will go with you,” said Deborah. “But because of the course you are taking, the honor will not be yours, for the LORD will deliver Sisera into the hands of a woman.” So Deborah went with Barak to Kedesh. Judges 5:24 “Most blessed among women is Jael, the wife of Heber the Kenite. May she be blessed above all women who live in tents. Now, the next passages are going to be from the Book of Judith, which are in the Catholic and Orthodox Old Testament, but not in the Protestant Old Testament: Judith 13:6-7 She went to the bedpost near the head of Holofernes, and taking his sword from it, 7she drew close to the bed, grasped the hair of his head, and said, “Strengthen me this day, Lord, God of Israel!” 8Then with all her might she struck his neck twice and cut off his head. Judith 13:18 Then Uzziah said to her, “Blessed are you, daughter, by the Most High God, above all the women on earth; and blessed be the Lord God, the creator of heaven and earth, who guided your blow at the head of the leader of our enemies. In the story of Judith, Judith is a Jewish Heroine who saves her people. Anyways, So these two women are types of Mary. They’re called something similar to what Mary is called: “Blessed Among Women”. Notice how they both also strike the head? Now, imagine you are the devil wondering Who this Woman will be. It’s not Jael or Judith, but Mary. Because for one, Judith was just fighting the men who served the evil guy, and I think Jael was as well. Not the actual evil guy, or something like that. And anyways, another point is that as Paul says, our struggle is not against humans, but against spirits. Therefore, these women couldn’t be the Woman in Genesis, but they point to the Mother of the Seed, Mary, these Women are a Type of Mary. We know this for a fact because Rev 12:17, remember from earlier? Well, this verse, which is typed by Genesis 3:15, says that the Seed of the Woman prophecy, is really about the enmity between Jesus and Mary and the devil, the spiritual power. Typology is basically where something in the Old Testament points to the New Testament. Now, look at what the Bible says about the Ark of the Covenant: 1 Samuel 5:1-4 After the Philistines had captured the ark of God, they took it from Ebenezer to Ashdod. 2 Then they carried the ark into Dagon’s temple and set it beside Dagon. 3 When the people of Ashdod rose early the next day, there was Dagon, fallen on his face on the ground before the ark of the Lord! They took Dagon and put him back in his place. 4 But the following morning when they rose, there was Dagon, fallen on his face on the ground before the ark of the Lord! His head and hands had been broken off and were lying on the threshold; only his body remained. So, the Ark of the Covenant smashes the head of Dagon. This is a spiritual rival to God, in this idol of the false god and demon dagon, destroyed by the Ark. Not a physical man. also notice how the Ark is said to destroy it, but also this was God. God and God’s Instrument doing Something, don’t act against eachother, but God works through His Instrument, again these things can go together. But this gets into my next point…

You are not a Catholic. Catholics do not worship Mary, you are either lying or uninformed.

@@marcuscaballarius2159 I am a catholic for nearly 40 years. And I've met countless catholics who worship Mary. I've heard catholic telling me to my face there is no difference between God the Father and Mary, since he is the Father, and she is the Mother. Catholic theology =/= catholic practices. Theology makes a distinction between hyper dulia and worship, countless catholics who aren't theologically educated do not. That's just a fact, and reality of our parishes if you were catholic, you'd know that.

@@mitromney Exactly. It's one thing when they make a statement on paper but the reality is that 99% of Catholics view Mary in an idolatrous way.

@@itruck96 No my little cultist, I have discernment.

@@itruck96 I am only glad you've admitted you pray to her.

Is Jesus saying Mary isn’t blessed? Obviously not, Elizabeth calls Mary blessed, and Mary calls Herself Blessed as well, and these are treated good in the narrative. It would be a contradiction to then say Mary is not blessed. This is a teaching moment, Jesus often speaks with metaphors, parables, etc, He can sometimes be hard to understand. The woman recognized Mary is blessed, which shows us people, even in Jesus’s time, noticed how especially special and blessed Mary is. However, She pointed to this Blessedness only because of Her being Jesus’s Biogolocial Mothed. Therefore, Jesus saw into Her Heart, and revealed that the reason Mary is Blessed, isn’t just because of Biology, but because Mary “Hears the Word of God and Keeps it.” This points us back to Mary’s Fiat, which loosened the sun of Eve, Her Act of Faith: “Let it be Done to Me, According to Thy WORD.” This is what Made Her Become the Mother of the Lord, Jesus Christ, both Fully God and Man, in the first place. And this further points out, that if we want to be holy too, then we must follow in Mary’s footsteps and do the same, to be in God’s Spiritual Family. That is the point of what Jesus was saying.

Who compiled that bible ? Who say which book u should read in that bible ? .., if u answer these ,then u WIL see ur foolishness at display .

1. ''or anyone but Christ'', not even to the Father? 2. ''one GOD who is worthy or worship and prayer'' worship and prayer *ARE NOT THE SAME* ''prayer'' from ancient Latin 'precor' : to ask, to beg, the meaning is lost in modern English but we Catholics continue to use it the original way.

So Peter sinned when he spoke to both Elijah and Moses at the Transfiguation? It forbids NECROMANCY, not asking the Triumphant Church to pray for us.

​@@augustineonuigbo9360 The Old Testament was compiled before Christ about 200 years before Christ . What are you talking about? The roman catholic church had nothing to do with that and records show that the new testament was compiled by the latest date of 290 which was before the pagan RCC was official. The first church was Antioch so take your arrogance elsewhere.

You can pray to Christ, and you can pray to God the father. There are examples in the Bible, the Lord, Prayer , and Stephen the first murder, said Lord Jesus, receive my spirit.

@@pennsyltuckyreb9800 Asking a friend to pray for you is not the same as asking Mary and the other saints to do the same. If 100 million people communicated with you at the same time in multiple languages without speaking one word (many prayers are only spoken in the heart) how accurate would you be in knowing what everyone said? To fully know all the words, emotions and the character of every heart requires omniscience. Notice on a much smaller scale that when multiple people addressed the commander in Acts 21:34 he was unable to fully understand what all the people were saying. This would present no difficulty at all with the omniscient God.

@@pennsyltuckyreb9800 Do others besides God have the same knowledge of Him as expressed in 1 Kings 8:39?

@@pennsyltuckyreb9800 God "alone" knows the hearts of all the sons of men. (1 Kings 8:39)

@@pennsyltuckyreb9800 Mary isn’t our next door neighbor or a fishing buddy. She’s no longer living and was definitely fully human. We are not to pray to dead humans. Nowhere in the Bible do godly men do this. In fact, we are warned repeatedly not to pray to the dead. They cannot hear our prayers. No one comes to the Father but by Christ.

I agree, if you pray to mary, you don’t know Jesus 😢

Hiya, anything placed above our Sovereign God is an idol in your heart. 😢 He will not share his glory.

GREETINGS MY FRIEND. I HONOR, LOVE, AND RESPECT THE MOTHER OF GOD. HOLY SCRIPTURE MAKES IT CRYSTAL CLEAR MY GOD PROTECTED MARY FROM SINNING. MARY WAS BORN BY THE GRACE OF GOD WITHOUT ORIGINAL SIN AND REMAINED A VIRGIN. ISN'T THIS IRONIC. A SINFUL WOMAN GIVING BIRTH TO GOD. THAT JUST WOULDN'T MAKE ANY SENSE. GOD BLESS YOU.

@@mercibeaucoup2639 no you're absolutely wrong sister Mary is a sinner she needs a saver, just like everyone else it's sin that separates us from God and why the Lord came die for a sinners to say sister Mary sinless means she doesn't need a savior which is absolutely ridiculous you need to wake up from your Catholic lies. Also Mary sister Mary gave birth to The human side of the Lord Jesus Christ God In the flesh a man Christ Jesus. Dominion dog most are complete umbilical lies you've been brainwashed by the Catholic Church you can't accept it. I'll have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God.

@@mercibeaucoup2639 she did not remain a virgin she had many other children that's why James is the brother of the Lord Jesus the half-brother because it's biological if it was talking about cousins or brothers in the faith they'd be full Brothers so that's why it's talking about biological. You've been brainwashed by the Catholic Church and many of the things you believe are either in unbiblical books, or not in scripture at all but just only by Catholic tradition, and you've been brainwashed.

@@happygolucky5854 ISNT THIS IRONIC. THE REFORMED FOUNDERS OF THE PROTESTANT FAITH LIKE LUTHER, CALVIN, AND ZWINGLI ALWAYS TAUGHT ON THE PERPETUAL VIRGINITY OF MARY. THIS PEOPLE SURE RESPECTED HER. NOT LIKE THE MODERN PROTESTANTS OF TODAY. IT REALLY DOESN'T MATTER WHAT YOU THINK, THE PROSENTANT FOUNDERS THINK OR I THINK. YOU WILL HAVE TO SHOW ME A HOLY VERSE WHERE MARY LOST HER VIRGINITY. MAYBE THIS IS ONE OF THE VERSES WHERE MARY LOST HER VIRGINITY. 1 CORINTHIANS 15:6 “AFTER THAT, HE APPEARED TO MORE THAN FIVE HUNDRED OF THE BROTHERS AND SISTERS AT THE SAME TIME, MOST OF WHOM ARE STILL LIVING, THOUGH SOME HAVE FALLEN ASLEEP.” DO YOU THINK MY LORD, GOD AND SAVIOR HAD 500 BROTHERS AND SISTERS? IF THAT’S THE CASE THE VIRGIN MARY SURE CAN’T BE A VIRGIN. THE GOSPEL OF ST. LUKE TALKS ABOUT MARY BEING A VIRGIN. ST. LUKE TALKS ABOUT THE MOTHER OF GOD BEING A VIRGIN MANY DECADES AFTER THE DEATH OF JESUS CHRIST. LUKE 1: 46 AND MARY SAID: “MY SOUL GLORIFIES THE LORD 47 AND MY SPIRIT REJOICES IN GOD MY SAVIOR, 48 FOR HE HAS BEEN MINDFUL OF THE HUMBLE STATE OF HIS SERVANT. FROM NOW ON ALL GENERATIONS WILL CALL ME BLESSED, 49 FOR THE MIGHTY ONE HAS DONE GREAT THINGS FOR ME-HOLY IS HIS NAME. WITHOUT THE POWER OF THE ALMIGHTY MARY JUST CAN'T BE SINLESS. YES, ALL PEOPLE NEED A SAVIOR WHICH INCLUDES THE VIRGIN MARY. WHAT IS THE MEANING OF "BLESSED?" HOLY. GENERATIONS AND GENERATIONS TO COME WILL CALL THE VIRGIN MARY BLESSED. I CALL THE MOTHER OF GOD BLESSED. BLESSED SIMPLY MEANS HOLY, HOLY, AND HOLY. CAN A HOLY PERSON ACTUALLY SIN? GOD HAS DONE GREAT WONDERFUL THINGS ON MARY. WITHOUT THE POWER OF MY OMNIPOTENT GOD MARY JUST CAN'T DO ANYTHING. WE SHOULD ACTUALLY GIVE THANKS TO THE ALMIGHTY FOR MARY BRINGING GOD THE SON TO THIS WORLD WITH A SINLESS WOMB. MY PRECIOUS AND HOLY GOD CAN'T BE CLOSE 2 SIN. GOD BLESS YOU

@@happygolucky5854 I WILL BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO TALK ABOUT FAITH + WORKS = SALVATION, THE HERESY OF OSAS, PURGATORY ETC. WITH HOLY SCRIPTURE. I WILL DEFEND THE 1ST CHRISTIAN CHURCH. GOD BLESS YOU.

It's funny to me hpw Roman church keeps saying they have the authentic christianity because of the tradition, while in fact they are by far the most modern and liberal of all churches. They have incorporated all kinds of heresy and gnosis throughout the ages and remain completely incapable of indentifying and getting rid of it. The tradition is just a sneaky way of saying pagan influence.

We have the new covenent you don't

Amd sheepishly u think u can love the son why hating the mother? That is worst than zoo animals..... No wonder ur protestants world is so dry and continue to b dry .,......REMEMBER, FOR ALL GENERATION SHALL CALL BLESSED ...... ALSO GOD WASNT CONFUSED WHEN HE SAID HAIL MARY FULL OF GRACE, REFLECT MORE ON THAT FULL OF GRACE ......

@@mitromney so tell me the contribution ever done to the xtian word by ur so called dustbin ? Till date u depend on Rome fr ur identity, sheepishly u still make use of the bible they compiled and canonically determined which book u read today , and have soiled the scriptures by ur foolish type to suit ur daily madness..,....

@@augustineonuigbo9360 bruh I'm Catholic.

Exactly

Friend, if you think Catholics say Mary did not need a Saviour then you don’t know what the Catholics believe. With the Immaculate Concepcion the Catholic Church means that she was saved by Jesus in the most perfect of ways, not forgiving her after a sin, but by preservation. No getting her out of the pit after she fell, but preventing her from falling to the pit, which is also saving, but a more perfect way of saving. I hope that clarifies it a bit!

@@julioalonzo1383 scriptures?

@@billchiburis8654 I wasn't trying to prove it, I just think that if one is to criticise another's position one has to know what to other actually holds. Have a great day!

@@julioalonzo1383 and all I ask for is scriptures

@@rohan7224 then she cannot have a savior

Your are blessed to if you follow Jesus.

All of the early reformers affirmed the perpetual virginity of Mary. Martin Luther is supposed to have defended this belief to the point of tears.

@@Emper0rH0rde is the reformer the authority of the world now or of the bible? When does perpetual virgin teaching started? Did apostles teach that?

@@daddada2984 Did the Apostles teach Mary had other biological children other than Jesus? Did the Apostles teach Scripture alone and faith alone? Peace always in Jesus Christ our Great and Kind God and Savior, He whose Flesh is true food and Blood true drink

Mini, Yet, even the blameless before God Elizabeth felt unworthy as the Mother of the Lord approached her, she whom all generations shall call blessed, she who was saluted by the Archangel Gabriel as being full of grace, even before baptism which removes sin, she who John sees alive and well in Heaven wearing her crown as Queen Mother of the Davidic King, she who gave birth to the male child born to rule the nations! Peace always in Jesus Christ our Great and Kind God and Savior, He whose Flesh is true food and Blood true drink

The full episodes are on the alpha and omega RU-vid channel. Hope this helps

White turned off all comments on the full episodes though

@@Seethi_C Its to prevent debates in the comment section.

@blake wimberly I know where the episodes are. I've been following Dr. White since the late 90s. My point was about finding the exact videos that these are from on the official DL page. I've seen this full episode, but the problem, as I said, is more with the older ones rather than with the latest ones. There are over 600 episodes to sift through and the topic is not always stated in the DL titles.

@@kevindrake714 I've been following Dr. White since the late 90s so I know about the DL official youtube page. My point is that with older highlights there isn't an easy way to find the specific episode it came from since the topic of the highlight isn't always in the DL episode title (or there are many episodes with that topic) and there are over 600 DL episodes to sift through. A direct link to the exact episodes each highlight was pulled from would be extremely helpful. It isn't a problem when the highlights are from the latest episodes, but the older ones are a problem.

How do any of to the Marian dogmas destroy the Gospel? The Gospel of Jesus is indestructible, dynamic, living, and even explosive, not only in the world but in the Cosmos. All of the Marian dogmas are consistent and give compliment to the saving work of Jesus Christ. They are rooted in Scripture and have been believed by the Fathers and throughout the history of the Christian Church.

@Hugh Egerton How is it rooted in scripture?

​@@PaxMundi118 When you ecumenical decisions about Mary are put in and anyone who doesn't believe in them is anathematized...... The Catholic Church is destroying the gospel over asight issue that does not matter when it comes to salvation of a man's soul.

@@bairfreedom What particular Ecumenical decision about Mary (that led to anathematizations) are you referring to? Can you give the Ecumenical decision you have in mind and the resulting pronouncement of anathemas? I'm a little confused because Protestants accept the Ecumenical Council that declared Mary, Mother of God as dogma. Councils make all sorts of "decisions" but those that are binding on the conscience of all Catholics are in minority. When the Magisterium is promulgating a dogma this is not referred to as a "decision." You may be referring to one of the four teachings Catholics hold as dogma, but I can't guess which one you mean. Please let me know. Also, the Catholic Church stopped proclaiming anathemas a long time ago. Anathemas only applied to living people at the time of the anathema who professed false teaching. This had nothing to do with the person's soul. It was a disciplinary measure, a medicinal approach, to warn and bring sinners back into communion. No one alive, for for well over a hundred years, has been disciplined by an anthema. Reformed teachers will fudge the truth and say, "the Catholic Church has anathematized the Gospel!!!" This is not true. It never was true. It is impossible for it to have ever have been true...by definition.

@Kyle Skopec the concept of Mary being the new eve comes from a mistranslation of Genesis 3:15 in the Latin Vulgate which mistranslated the word he for she so sorry it's not the new eve that crushes the serpent's head (Mary), it's the new Adam that does (Jesus)

@Kyle Skopec also the woman who is giving birth in revelation 12 is described as suffering birth pains which in Genesis 3:16 is described as part of original sin which contradicts Roman Catholic doctrine of Mary being free from original sin which leaves you with two options. Either Mary wasn't free from original sin or the woman described in revelation 12 is not Mary, you can't have it both ways.

Kyle Skopec Who are these guys to doubt the traditional Church interpretation? “It’s a misreading”....says who?

I almost fell down Rome's hole. Luckily research and justforcatholics.org prevented that :) I'm now a 7-point Calvinist-Baptist

@@BrandonCorley109 I'm glad you've been saved. God bless you

@patriceagulu8315 Better than the Popes. Mary's perpetuals virginity did not become a dogma until 553 A.D by Latin speakers. You have no church fathers that carry this back to first century Christianity. It is a later development that is against the normal understanding of the text.

@patriceagulu8315 ἕως - heós - Until. Joseph became her husband but did not have relations until Jesus was born. You really have to twist it out of context to make it say something different. I have heard all the attempts to twist it and they all fall flat. Sophistry.

Ok, but remember these words were not first used in the English language. So there's nothing wrong with translating it as "mother of God" if you understand what people meant by the term back then - Jesus who is God was conceived in Mary's womb and she gave birth to him. The term was a statement about the nature of Jesus and his birth. It wasn't used to exalt Mary like it is today or suggest Mary was not created by God or suggest that God came into existence through Mary.

@@SamOwenI I am talking about the koine Greek of both the New Testament AND all the early councils. There is a Greek term "Theomater" which means mother of God which was never suggested because it is absurd. Christ has 2 natures, and Mary was "surrogate mother" to the human. No man lay with her so she was not the mother. It is impossible for a woman to conceive a man by herself as she has no Y chromosome. Even if one were to say she was "surrogate mother" it would NOT be to the divine nature and thus not to God. Mother of God is a direct translation into English of a term flatly refused by all early councils and contrary to Scripture.

@@JRRodriguez-nu7po mater is Latin...

@@SamOwenI Yes, Greek is meter, and I thank you for correcting my mix up; but it doesn't matter. The point stands, no Scripture, no early council, no one called her mother of Theos, Deos, Dios, God, Elohim, Eloi or El. I do appreciate the correction. Properly speaking, God has no mother. Jesus has 2 natures, and that requires language regarding Him to be very precise. Mother of God is a direct affront to Nicea 1 and Chalcedon.

@@JRRodriguez-nu7po again, of course, the way modern Catholics use the term to exalt Mary, it's indefensible. But we mustn't read our ideas back in to church history anachronistically. The term was christological.

@Curtis MH prove it’s in scripture, then. You’re engaging as hominem. Boring,

@Curtis MH Calvinism rejects Biblical teaching. It's so sad that people believe doctrines invented in the 16th century.

I made this video about the maryion doctrins (and some other things) and went through the verses and history sources and weather I think what the cathlics say is true. Its from a mesianic jews perspective. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-UItkl1286Os.html

@@isaacleillhikar4566 Because of the poor editing and general lack of coherence in ideas, I had a very hard time getting through this.

Jack, so true, as Faith alone and Scripture alone, are man made traditions, false doctrines! Peace always in Jesus Christ our Great and Kind God and Savior, He whose Flesh is true food and Blood true drink

She gave her consent to the incarnation and that was critical.

@@bridgefin How?

@@douglasmcnay644 She could have said "no".

she never consented; Gabriel told her she was to have this baby@@bridgefin

@@duckymomo7935 And Gabriel hung around until she gave her consent. She could have refused.

I agree, but it's not the solemnity of the service as such, adding incense and processions wont fix it. It's a spiritual and theological crisis in alot of mainstream evangelicalism, its the marketing, the antinomianism, the self-help therapeutic messaging, the lack of repentance, grace and true Christian Joy. We really need to humble ourself and pray for Gods people, alot of folks are being led astray.

@@felixguerrero6062 amen!!

diving into Scripture and coming out with your own interpretation of it is what created the hundreds and counting protestant Christian denominations

@@mjramirez6008 Biblically sound churches, btw, differ on very few, secondary issues, like timing of baptism. That’s hardly disunity. Scripture is quite straight forward, on the whole. You should read it.

​@@KristiLEvans1 great, so we will see union of ''biblically sound churches'' in the near future

Mary's authority? LOL another protestant hallucination

@@alfray1072 So you agree Mary has no Authority in the Church?

@@GFGS_55 Authority was given to the church, not to Mary. Mary is the mother of the church, she plays an important role. She is the Ark of the New Covenant, NT Gebirah/Queen Mother, Woman of Revelation.

@@alfray1072 Well no. Jesus said all authority is given to Him, not his Church. Wrenching Matthew 16 to make Peter pope and twisting Acts 15 to make Peter the decision maker and not James will not fly. Mary = Revelation 12 women. May I ask you to tell me when the rest of Revelation 12 was fulfilled or will be fulfilled? It refers to Israel as it uses the same imagery as the dream of Joseph. Second question if you will endulge me, is there one single verse where Mary is seen as praying for anyone, interceding for anyone or going to Jesus on behalf of anyone, if you want to use Solomon and Bathsheba in relation to typology, you need to recognize that Solomon rejected the intercession of his mother made in behalf of his brother. I beg you please listen to God when he says "get out of her my people". Jesus is the only way, you don't need another.

@@GFGS_55 lol Jesus is The Living Word / GOD in the Flesh! The only one wrenching MAT 16 is your mental gymnastics, Jesus The Messiah KIng / God in the Flesh / Living Word established a church and gave authority to it and entrusted the keys to the kingdom to Peter/Cephas not the false sola scriptura protesting doctrine and especially not to the personal interpretation of James White the heretic. Sorry, John sees Mary, The Ark in heaven (REV 11:19), the Woman in REV 12 clothed with the sun that brought forth Jesus - That is MARY ! Mary brought forth Jesus the Messiah King here on earth, Mary is the first believer of Jesus, his first disciple, not a country chastised by God for rejecting the Son of God Jesus. Joseph/Jacob is not a woman ! Woman means female person, not a country, isr_ael was never described as a woman, but a whore LOL because of its history of disobedience to God. 2ND, Mary as an intercessor does not guarantee an answered prayer, it is still according to God's Will. Mary as an intercessor is witnessed in JOHN 2 at the Wedding at Cana, the event that prompted the start of Jesus' Ministry and his first public miracle. Now what r smokin?

You say that you are a Protestant. The founder of Protestantism taught the Marian doctrines as Protestants. So was Luther NOT EQUIPPED by God for his supposed mission (which would indicate that he was NOT sent by God) or are current Protestants in heresy to the original Protestantism? I trust you realize that, in either case, you are lost. Most objectors to prayers to Mary or other saints cannot define the English word "pray". If they could then they would have the tools to begin to understand. And if the Catholic Church has apostatized then either Jesus lied when he said that the gates of Hell would not prevail against his church or else the Holy Spirit was ineffective in protecting it.

@@bridgefin Once again, the same old talking points. People have already responded to all of these, including James White, and you are only furthering my point in my comment that Catholics seem to be like a broken record.

@@samtrout4654 Please answer the issue. Was Luther not equipped by God and thus not sent by God? Or was Luther God sent and you are heretics to the truth?

@@bridgefin I'm not going to get into an argument with someone online who is citing the same exact arguments that Catholics have been using for decades and have already been answered by those more credible than me to answer it. I'm also not going to argue since I know I'm not going to convince you, you're not going to convince me with the same arguments I've heard before, and nothing will happen but me wasting my time. If you really want an answer to your question, listen to more videos and debates by James White and decide for yourself. But something tells me you only want to act smug by calling me a heretic for calling you out, and nothing will get solved.

@@samtrout4654 In other words you have no reply to the arguments. And BTW, I have not seen anyone use my argument in 20 years of apologetics. I osed a simple question for you and you seem to be running away for a simple answer. You: But something tells me you only want to act smug by calling me a heretic for calling you out, and nothing will get solved. Me: I called you nothing. My statement about heretics was all Protestantism. Make it easy: Was Luther right or are modern Protestants right on the question?

Exactly what I was thinking too. Thanks for stating it for me lol. God bless

Clay, even the blameless before God Elizabeth felt unworthy as the Mother of the Lord approached her, she whom all generations shall call blessed. Plus, the Mother of the King in the Davidic line of royalty is the Queen Mother! You are in my prayers as you journey toward Truth! Peace always in Jesus Christ our Great and Kind God and Savior, He whose Flesh is True food and Blood True drink

Clay, without Mary's free willed consent, there is no Man/God to redeem us! "Oh sweet Mother of God, oh Queen, intercede for us to your Son", ( Martin Luther). You are in my prayers as you journey toward Truth! Peace always in Jesus Christ our Great and Kind God and Savior, He whose Flesh is True food and Blood True drink

@M J Actually, the Catholic Church, which existed way before the new testament was even written, and that later determined the canon, confirmed what Holy Scripture teaches, faith WORKING THROUGH LOVE, ( Galatians 5:6, John 13:34,35), but rejected the word alone that Luther added to faith, for even if one has ALL FAITH, but does not LOVE, it is useless! You are in my prayers as you journey toward Truth! Peace always in Jesus Christ our Great and Kind God and Savior, He whose Flesh is True food and Blood True drink

I advice you to pray to Mary and ask her to pray for you. Just like in the wedding in Galilee she will submit your prayers directly to Jesus because she is his mother.

@@koppite9600 I advise you to pray to God alone, and keep His commands if you love Him.

@@Nolongeraslave pray to God with many and thus i give stronger prayers. Praying with many beats praying alone.

@@koppite9600 "Let no one be found among you who...casts spells, consult a medium or spiritists, or INQUIRES of the DEAD..." (Deuteronomy 18:10). "If you love me, keep my commandments". (John 14:15). "One day Jesus was praying in a certain place. When he finished, one of his disciples said to him, "Lord, teach us to pray, just as John taught his disciples." He said to them, "When you pray, say "Father, hallowed be your name..." "But when you pray, go into your room, close the door and pray to your Father, who is unseen. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you." (Matthew 6:6). "In that day you will ask in My name. I am not saying that I will ask the Father on your behalf. For the Father Himself loves you, because you have loved Me and have believed that I came from God." (John 16:27).

@@Nolongeraslave i also offer my personal prayers secretly. Whenever i go to church we pray as a church. I see no problem

She bore no children after Jesus.

Not all the Teachings of Jesus are Recorded in Scripture, and the Apostles are expanded upon the Teaching of Jesus. John 21:25 Jesus did many other things as well. If every one of them were written down, I suppose that even the whole world would not have room for the books that would be written. Simply put, not every doctrine is explicit in Scripture, and Catholics believe in Scripture and Tradition. The “brethren of the Lord”, can literally refer to any close family members, as ancient Hebrew and Aramaic didn’t have any terms for close family members and used words like, “brothers”, instead for them. For example, Abraham and Lot are called brothers despite being nephew and uncle. When God lists what constitutes inc-st he doesn’t say your uncle, but will say something like your father’s brother. That’s because they didn’t have terms for close family members. St Joseph could have also been a widower, according to one Tradition, and hence they would be Joseph’s children from a previous Marriage. Now, these words were translated into Kione Greek, and there is a word for “cousins” there, but we don’t know if all the Brethren of the Lord were cousins, some could have been uncles, etc. As such, they would have used the term brethren. Also, the Gospel Writers, to be more accurate on what they said, could have just used brethren, like they literally would have said. Joseph knew not Mary until the Birth does not mean Joseph Lnew Mary Afterwards. This is because this is a specific type of literary expression (forgot what it is called), that says something about something leading up to the event in question, but not about afterwards. For example, if I Say: “Until we meet again, God Bless you.” Does this mean God curse you after we have met again? No, it only refers to what happens up to the point where we meet again, not afterwards. 2 Samuel 6:23 And Michal daughter of Saul had no children to the day of her death. Does this mean she had children after death? Obviously not. The Bible uses this literary technique multiple times, and that is one of them in the Gospels. The Gospels never say that Joseph “knew” Mary. Mary on the Cross, was given to John, a non-relative. Mothers were, under Jewish Law, supposed to be cared for by sons and daughters. Meaning that Mary had no other children. Being Engaged in ancient Israel was basically Married, and so any Jewish woman would have expected the normal Marital Life to play out, but Mary was surprised when She was told She would have a Son. Mary in the ProtoEvangellium of James, and early Second Century Writing, is a Consecrated Temple Virgin, She made a Vow of Virginity to God, the “Virgin of the Lord”. She was Married to Joseph as Her Protecter, as men thought women should be protected back then. This gives us historical evidence. This was also to Protect the Holy Family in the Plan of God, to avoid accusations of adultery, and to give Jesus an earthly father-figure, etc. But Mary was Ever-Virgin according to the Tradition and Teaching of the Church.

Also, if you try to argue topologically against this Dogma, then I’d say that it was the First Kid, Who opened the Womb, that was Circumcised, etc. It doesn’t require other children being born.

​@@bridgefin The Bible speaks of Jesus having brothers and sisters.Please stop lying to yourself.

@@beadoll8025 When the bible speaks of Mary having other children give me a call. A brother can be ANY male relative or friend or associate. In your tribe or not. Sorry but that means zero about Mary unless there is something which puts one of them in her womb. Until then you are wasting your time.

Denziger left out alot of stuff that didnt fit what the church teaches now.In early christianity most believed Mary had children after Christ but many church fathers hailed sex in marriage as unworthy if not outright sinful & thus they taught mary remained a virgin less she be defiled. Also the Marion dogmas cannot be found in the Apostolic Tradition,that doesnt mean therfore their not true

I have the answer, buddy. Cause the incarnation is about God becoming man. It’s about God. You’re welcome.

You believe all marian dogmas because some early Christian writer capitalized the letter V in Virgin? What?! This isn't sound reasoning.

GENISES 3:20 Eve the mother of all living ?

You don’t set your theology and bet your soul on a capital letter. That’s not how theology should be built.

If Mary was a goddess then there is no need for Marian dogmas on the Immaculate Conception, Assumption, Mother of God (Theotokos) and Perpetual Virginity because all these came from the Saving Grace of the Lord God. FYI The Trinity dogma is a Catholic dogma in the 3rd century and the Canon of Scriptures (holy bible) is a declared canon of the Catholic Church in the 4th century , these are doctrines about the Divinity of Christ, not Mary. Stop listening to false preachers and end timers of protestantism.

@@alfray1072 the Trinity is found as early as the Didache. It’s not something people waited 300 years for Rome to recognize. Mary was not ever-Virgin. Nor was she assumed into Heaven.

@@alfray1072 the difference is - do you trust Scripture as the authority, or is the Church the arbiter of truth?

@@KristiLEvans1 even the scriptures were compiled by the church. They don't drop from heaven..

@@Veritas-dq2hs the Scriptures were not compiled by the Roman Catholic Church. 🙄 Saying that, shows complete ignorance of history.

Greetings. Where did Martin Luther pray the Hail Mary or say he believed in the Immaculate Conception? And we agree that Mary is the mother of God, but Theotokos is a more accurate title.

@@getgnomed6179 You've lost me? Martin Luther DID pray the 'Hail Mary' - this is a matter of historical record that you can look this up for yourself. Also, he believed in the Immaculate Conception - this is also a matter of historical record (investigate for yourself, don't take my word on it). Finally, he initially believed in the 'Assumption' of Mary, however, he changed his mind in later years, but had absolutely no problem with his followers believing in this (the Assumption).

Nope

1) Galatians 4:4-5: "But when the set time had fully come, God sent his Son, born of a woman, born under the law, to redeem those under the law, that we might receive adoption to sonship." (NIV) 2) Acts of the Apostles 1:12-14: "Then the apostles returned to Jerusalem from the hill called the Mount of Olives, a Sabbath day’s walk from the city. When they arrived, they went upstairs to the room where they were staying. Those present were Peter, John, James and Andrew; Philip and Thomas, Bartholomew and Matthew; James son of Alphaeus and Simon the Zealot, and Judas son of James. They all joined together constantly in prayer, along with the women and Mary the mother of Jesus, and with his brothers." (NIV) 3) Revelation 11:19 - 12:1-17: "Then God’s temple in heaven was opened, and within his temple was seen the ark of his covenant. And there came flashes of lightning, rumblings, peals of thunder, an earthquake and a severe hailstorm. A great sign appeared in heaven: a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet and a crown of twelve stars on her head. She was pregnant and cried out in pain as she was about to give birth. Then another sign appeared in heaven: an enormous red dragon with seven heads and ten horns and seven crowns on its heads. Its tail swept a third of the stars out of the sky and flung them to the earth. The dragon stood in front of the woman who was about to give birth, so that it might devour her child the moment he was born. She gave birth to a son, a male child, who 'will rule all the nations with an iron scepter.' And her child was snatched up to God and to his throne.The woman fled into the wilderness to a place prepared for her by God, where she might be taken care of for 1,260 days. Then I heard a loud voice in heaven say: When the dragon saw that he had been hurled to the earth, he pursued the woman who had given birth to the male child. The woman was given the two wings of a great eagle, so that she might fly to the place prepared for her in the wilderness, where she would be taken care of for a time, times and half a time, out of the serpent’s reach. Then from his mouth the serpent spewed water like a river, to overtake the woman and sweep her away with the torrent. But the earth helped the woman by opening its mouth and swallowing the river that the dragon had spewed out of his mouth.Then the dragon was enraged at the woman and went off to wage war against the rest of her offspring-those who keep God’s commands and hold fast their testimony about Jesus." (NIV)

Yes

Nor was the trinity so, does it mean is false?

@@antoniodepombo1672 trinity was taught by Jesus. "Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit," Matthew 28:19 Teaching about Mary is found nowhere. Jesus just called her "woman".

Doctrines and rituals of men😢 and not of God. 😢

Amen. I was anti-catholic for 37 years. I believed all of the stuff these anti Catholics are saying in the comments. God brought me home! I can’t even begin to address any of these comments because there’s SO MUCH to say!

We have text fragments dating from the second century.

The sacerdotal priesthood is not in scripture.

This very comment proves why RCC is in the wrong

He means the Canon wasn’t Decided, not that the Books were not Written yet. 🤦🏻‍♂️ Text fragments literally do nothing, and I assume that’s what you and the other person who said, “this is everything wrong with Catholicism”, thought he meant. When in reality, while yes, the Gospels were Written by the Apostles, the early Christians disagreed on what belgoned in the Bible, and it was the Catholic Church that Compiled the Bible in the 4th century. Without the Church, you would not know what is, and is not, Scripture.

the demon fears and hates Blessed Mother Mary, he'll do everything to harden ppls hearts to her

Nobody's heart is hardened towards Mary People's heart are hardened towards coerce Ortiz teaching and Mariolatry

WHOOSH

lol

very selective use of Scripture, as usual, and (Luke 1) "Elizabeth said, Blessed is she who has believed that the Lord would fulfill his promises to her!” NO ONE kept the Word of God better than Her.

This points us to Mary’s Fiat. Which loosed the sun of Eve. “Let it be done unto me according to your Word.” Jesus was using this as a teaching moment, Jesus can sometimes speak in hard to understand ways, and metaphors, and parables, etc. Jesus was pointing out to the woman, that Mary isn’t blessed, just because She is the physical Mother of Jesus, but because She hears the Word of God, and Keeps it. This is what made Her the Mother of Jesus in the first place. Obviously, this doesn’t mean Mary is not blessed, Elizabeth says Mary is blessed among women, and Mary says all generations will call Her Blessed, reading it the way you do would result in a Biblical contradiction, since these statements are treated as true and good in the Gospel narrative. It is weird though that a random woman told Jesus Mary was Blessed, this shows us even people during Jesus’s time recognized this.

" And they stood in the place of the cave: and behold a bright cloud overshadowing the cave. And the midwife said: My soul is magnified this day, because my eyes have seen marvelous things: for salvation is born to Israel. And immediately the cloud withdrew itself out of the cave, and a great light appeared in the cave so that our eyes could not endure it. And little by little that light withdrew itself until the young child appeared: and it went and took the breast of its mother Mary." Chapter 19:2 Notice how it says that Jesus just appeared out of the blinding light. Jesus did NOT come out of Mary's womb is implied in the verse. It is Gnostic because the gnostics believed that God could not become man the was Christians believe. Just study the Docetic right of Gnosticism for example where Jesus is viewed as a mere spirit which no physical body, hence John's refutation of that view in John 1. (In that case, more properly known as proto-Gnostic).

@The Informaticist I am a student of theology, and I major in New Testament studies. I am also an ex protestant, that converted to Catholicism after doing research. If you for example recognize, that the New Testament doesn't anywhere teach justification by faith alone. The contrary is taught for example in Matthew 7:19-21, Matthew 25:31-46, James 2 and numerous other places. The usual protestant "go to passage" is John 3:16. If you read it in context, you see, that in verse 36 it doesn't contrast with faith and unbelief, but with unbelief and faithfullness. Therefore the word faith implies faithfullness in the mind of the writer of the Gospel of John. The word faith is a pregnant word, that has other things in itself. Paul is read in various ways. But for example Romans 4:5 cannot be read in the way protestants read it, because Paul would contradict himself, because for example Philippians 2:12-13 teaches, that Christians should workout their salvation with fear and trembling. Therefore it is probable, that Paul is writing in Romans 4:5 about initial justfication faith working through love (read Galatians 5:6), which can be brought to final justification, of which James 2 seems to talk about. Oh yeah by the way, how can Apostles forgive sins (and don't say that it's just about preaching the Gospel. That is so obvious eisegesis) in John 20:21-23, if those people are already justified with perfect righteousness of Christ? John 20:21-23 is a great example, of how Christianity has to have Apostolic Succession (so that people could be absolved after the deaths of the Apostles). But let me make it even simpler: how can Jesus teach to His disciples the Lord's Prayer, since how can perfectly justified people ask for forgiveness? And yes it was prayed by New Covenant Christians. The Didache (wrote in first century) mentions, that a Christian should pray that prayer three times in a day.

@The Informaticist Just a few reasons, why you shouldn't be a protestant. Read them.

@The Informaticist what are you then? You seem to believe in the Bible. When I said protestants, I meant any other Christian group of people, that are not Catholics, Eastern Orthodox, "Old Catholics" or Oriental Orthodox. This includes Evangelicals such as James White.

@The Informaticist No, I Don't think it's anachronistic to say, that evangelicals like baptists. Baptists are the followers of anabaptists, that were protestants, protestors. I think followers of protestors are protestors too in relation to Catholic Church.

THERE IS ABSOLUTLEY NOTHING WRONG CONTEMPLATING, LOVING, HONORING AND RESPECTING THE MOTHER OF GOD. LUKE 1:48 “FOR HE HAS BEEN MINDFUL OF THE HUMBLE STATE OF HIS SERVANT. FROM NOW ON ALL GENERATIONS WILL CALL ME BLESSED,” IT'S WRONG IF YOU WORSHIP AND SEE HER AS A GOD. GOD BLESS YOU.

Well that's a shame.... "And the angel answering, said to her: The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the most High shall OVERSHADOW thee. And therefore also the Holy which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God." ~ Luke 1:35 [The Greek term "overshadow" here was only ever used one other place in the Greek OT Septuagint which is when God "overshadowed" the Ark of the Covenant.] "And it came to pass, that when Elizabeth heard the salutation of Mary, the infant LEAPED in her womb. And Elizabeth was filled with the Holy Ghost:" ~ Luke 1:41 [David leapt and danced "naked", like a baby, before the Ark of the Covenant.] "And she cried out with a loud voice, and said: Blessed art thou among women, and blessed is the fruit of thy womb." ~ Luke 1:42 "And Mary said: My soul doth MAGNIFY the Lord. And my spirit hath rejoiced in God my Saviour. Because he hath regarded the humility of his handmaid; for BEHOLD FROM HENCEFORTH ALL GENERATIONS SHALL CALL ME BLESSED." ~ Luke 1:46-48 "Now there stood by the cross of Jesus, his mother, and his mother's sister, Mary of Cleophas, and Mary Magdalen. When Jesus therefore had seen HIS MOTHER and the disciple standing whom he loved, he saith to his mother: Woman, behold thy son. After that, he saith to the disciple: BEHOLD THY MOTHER. And from that hour, the disciple TOOK HER TO HIS OWN." ~ John 19:26-27 _________________ Hmmm....completely pointless passages to have if something of significance wasn't meant here. Just saying. I'll have to find a link (I'll add it on this post once I get it) on the topic of Mary in the Old Testament and as the Ark of the Covenant. If you humor me....it's mind blowing: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-jmii0zRKP5A.html Spending time with (or at the very least learning about) Jesus' earthly mother takes nothing away from Jesus in the slightest. If I spent some time with YOUR mother and paid her respects and honor would YOU consider that an affront to yourself? This is just silly talk. What kind of monster are you turning Our Lord into? The outright contempt for the Mother of God and even sometimes treating Mary as if she's some sort pariah to be shunned or even worse, as some seem, a demon or pagan idol is rather DISTURBING. Sounds like how a certain fallen angel would want you to view her as.....😳 "I will put enmities between thee and the woman, and thy seed and her seed: she shall crush thy head, and thou shalt lie in wait for her heel." ~ Genesis 3:15 [BTW, Douay-Rheims rendering, the rendering used in the Greek Septuagint by the early Church fathers. Either translation doesn't matter though as the prophecy is the same.] One more thing to also add here, this is why Sola Scriptura is a dangerous joke. The Word of God is no joke but the idea that the entire story and every little detail is laid out in the Scriptures is a huge problem. "But there are also many other things which Jesus did; which, if they were written every one, the world itself, I think, would not be able to contain the books that should be written." ~ John 21:25 This is why we have Apostolic Tradition as an addendum to the Holy Word of God. Not to add to the Word but to fill in the missing gaps. What the Apostles believed and passed onto the Church is just as important as the Scriptures they preserved for us.

You don't contemplate the Mother of the Eternal Creator and Lord of the Universe, but I'm sure you contemplate what tv show to watch or what dish detergent to buy. Would you say this proportionate in light of who Jesus is?

@Charles McKinley Jesus was one person with two natures. Mary was the mother of Jesus, God and man. To deny this is a heresy and James White would agree with me. In your attempt to de-emphasize Mary of Nazareth, you have unintentionally blasphemed our Lord. Jesus was fully God and fully man. Mary was fully his mother. The Bible, the ecumenical councils and the interpretative tradition for 2,000 years affirm this. That is why Mary is so important: in her was conceived God, in her was borne God, through her was given birth to God, and by her was faithfully raised God, nothing less. A lot to contemplate.

@@PaxMundi118 What in the world? Those are two completely different meanings of 'contemplate'. Do you love your favorite food in the same way you love your mother? I doubt it. Spiritual contemplation should be reserved for God alone; anything else is a distraction.

@Curtis MH Your understanding of James is quite naive. The Catholic Church has done a number on your head just like it DID me. NO MORE. Your problem is you can't see the forest for the trees. I stepped out of the fishbowl to look at the fish with more clarity. Something, I'm sure, you WILL NOT do. So, I'm not going to waste my time explaining, I'll just be throwing my pearls before the swine. But that's obvious, you watched the video and you still defend heresy. smh.

@Curtis MH Putting words in my mouth, are we? Obviously, you can't read a simple paragraph without assuming something. But, hey, you guys do it with scripture, too, so I'm not surprised. Actually, I BECAME part of Christ's church when I left the "synagogue of Satan". I'm not going to "find my way back" to a church that wants me, as Paul writes in Galatians, to be foolish. As far as your "what the Bible teaches", oh, man, that's the pot calling the kettle black.

@Curtis MH If the kitchen is too hot, get out of it. You're question may be honest, but it's baseless. You assumed something about me that's not even true. I considered that being rude. Figure what it is on your own then respond with your apology.

@Curtis MH Bwahahahaha! Far cry from the one post apologizing then deleting. I saw it in my messenger list. What a two-faced hypocrite you are. "They’re all “Bible believers” who know they’re right..." I never claimed to be "right". I've had to be corrected many times. Me thinks something you have difficulty with. I expect that, though, someone who thinks he belongs to "the one true church". You keep "working" your way to heaven, though, with your sacraments and good deeds. You're no better than the Judaizers Paul warns us about. Any good deed real Christians do is a result of their faith, not to remain in it. I"ll continue to listen to Jesus: 26 Jesus answered them and said, “Truly, truly, I say to you, you seek Me, not because you saw signs, but because you ate some of the loaves and were filled. 27 Do not work for the food that perishes, but for the food that lasts for eternal life, which the Son of Man will give you, for on Him the Father, God, has set His seal.” 28 Therefore they said to Him, “What are we to do, so that we may accomplish the WORKS of God?” 29 Jesus answered and said to them, “This is the WORK of God, that you believe in Him whom He has sent.” And Paul: 8 For by grace you have been saved through faith; and this is not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; 9 not a result of works, so that no one may boast. 10 For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand so that we would walk in them. And as a Gentile, by James 19 Therefore, it is my judgment that we do not cause trouble for those from the Gentiles who are turning to God, 20 but that we write to them that they abstain from things contaminated by idols, from acts of sexual immorality, from what has been strangled, and from blood. And you're not my brother. Ciao.

@Curtis MH where does it say that Mary is omniscient and hears prayers?

No, it’s because it’s an important part of the Faith. Whenever a controversy comes up, then Enathema simply shows you must believe this to be a Catholic in good standing. Protestants can still be saved, through the Church, without knowing, so Protestants can be saved anyways. It’s really not offensive.

@@kyrptonite1825 Why anathematize dogma that doesn't have clear scriptural or church historical aurhority?

@@kyrptonite1825 Ask your priest what it means if you are anathematized? If you don't agree that Mary was an eternal virgin or that she didn't ascend into heaven, what does it mean to be anathematized?

Greetings. What does that have to do with mother Mary. God bless you,

@Bonaparte3922 Thank you for your response. I was, in an abstract way, saying what the bible states is God's word. Nowhere does it state Marry was born without sin, remained a virgin, ascended into heaven, and should be worshiped - Christ's message is clear, worship God and obey his word! Sorry, I should have been more precise and detailed in my response. Thank you for allowing me to clarify my original response. Stay strong, and God bless!

@@Sola_Scriptura_1.618 Greetings my friend. Thank you so much for responding to my previous message. Ironic, but I’m actually not Christian Catholic or Christian Protestant of any denomination. That includes Non-denominational Churches. I will now respond to your message. Your message wasn’t vague or bewildering in any way. Shape or form. It was actually very well elucidated in very short terms. I doubt any Christian denomination including Catholics worship mother Mary. It’s utter blasphemy if they do. I disagree with the Immaculate Conception and mother Mary ascending into heaven. Protestant founder Martin Luther believed mother Mary remained sinless and was always Virgin. Calvinist Protestant founders Jean Calvin, Heinrich Bullinger & Huldrych Zwingli remained convinced that Mother Mary always remained a Virgin. All those names I mentioned call Mother Mary the Mother of God. I agree with the protestant founders. Mother Mary was born with a sinful nature, but my God protected her from sinning. Name me any Christian Scholar from the 1st century to 14th century who says Mother Mary was a sinner and lost her virginity? God bless you.

@Bonaparte3922 Greetings, and thank you for your response. As a reformed Roman Catholic (RCC) and now a practicing Christian, I am familiar with RCC practices. I learned of the RCC's manipulation of scripture at a very young age when reading the bible. The RCC replaced God's second commandment of "Exodus 20:3 (BSB): 3 You shall have no other gods before Me." And expanded the 8th Commandment to maintain the 10. This is verifiable by reading the RCC's Catechism and their version of the Commandments. In my opinion, the RCC did this to open the door to idolatry. In their eyes, praying and worshiping saints and Mary is welcomed even though God and Christ spoke against this. As far as I know, Mary was born with original sin, as she was conceived by man and not of the Holy Spirit. I am not claiming Mary was not special or blessed by God, but no more than John the Baptist was. Christ was conceived of the Holy Ghost and free of natural sin and subsequent sin by his sinless actions. The RCC worships Mary, they devote prayers specifically to her, and the RCC worships at her statue. The RCC claims she was assumed into heaven, once again, with no support from scripture. As per the word of God, this is idolatry. If you are familiar with scripture that claims differently, please let me know. Since my experience with the RCC, I have taken all my beliefs directly from scripture and the inspired word of God. Religious interpretation holds very little weight, as they are interpreted by men that have their own agenda and intention. I keep an open mind, but my beliefs are founded in the word of scripture, not by the interpretation of the RCC or other religious institutions. God bless, and may he lead us to salvation. P.S. Here is the verse in scripture which support Mary having other children and Christ having siblings. Matthew 13:53-57 (BSB): 53 When Jesus had finished these parables, He withdrew from that place. 54 Coming to His hometown, He taught the people in their synagogue, and they were astonished. “Where did this man get such wisdom and miraculous powers?” they asked. 55 “Isn’t this the carpenter’s son? Isn’t His mother’s name Mary, and aren’t His brothers James, Joseph, Simon, and Judas? 56 Aren’t all His sisters with us as well? Where then did this man get all these things?” 57 And they took offense at Him.

@@Sola_Scriptura_1.618 Greetings. I thank you once again for responding to my message. I will try to respond to your entire message. What bible translation did Catholics replace God's second commandment regarding Exodus 20? I’m glad you mentioned Catholic idol worshipping was only your subjective option. Mary was born with a sinful nature, but the Gospel of Luke makes it very clear Mary was protected by God from sinning. Let’s Focus On Luke 1:35. If “The Holy Spirit Comes On Mary and the Power of the Most High Will Overshadow Her. Verse 37 “For No Word From God Will Ever Fail.” Can The Virgin Mary Still Sin? If Mary Can Sin, Then The Word Of God Almighty Was A Total Lie And A Complete Fail. It hurts when many Protestants say my God was born in a womb full sin and filth. Who is the person that spent the most time with my God here on earth? Was it John the Baptizer? Your beliefs of Mother Mary are interpreted by you. You happen to be a man with religious interpretations. My Christian beliefs are also found in the word of scripture. I repeat myself, name me any Christian Scholar from the 1st century to 14th century who said Mother Mary was a sinner and lost her virginity? I wish you very good luck. Let’s forget what Martin Luther, Jean Calvin, Heinrich Bullinger, Huldrych Zwingli, Catholics, Assyrians, Many Protestants, Church Fathers or I have to say about Mary’s virginity. Let’s focus what Holy Scripture has to say to us. The gospel of Luke was written around 100 AD. Luke 1:27 says the virgin’s name was Mary. “Was” (past tense) is used when one is talking about an event or someone from the past. The Virgin Mary was already dead when Luke wrote about her. Luke makes it crystal clear Mother Mary Died being a Virgin. I will later explain how I interpret Matthew 13:53-57 regarding Mary. God bless you.

You shouldn't be happy about that. It means you are either atheist or proto atheist. The fact is, Catholicism is sanity in a world devoid of it. And it is the only means by which one is saved. Protestantism is chaos and nothing more. Even the small bastions of order and sanity aren't cemented. It's a naked king that demands everybody applaud his fashion sense.

@@thepalegalilean Catholicism denies the sufficiency of Jesus 1. To his finished work they add the mass 2. To his word they add tradition 3. To his headship they add a pope 4. To his unique role of sinless mediator they add Mary 5. To his high Priestly office they add the confessional 7. To his purifying blood they add purgatory 8. To his righteousness they add their own

@Michael *Catholicism denies the sufficiency of Jesus* Meanwhile Protestantism literally denies Jesus in very significant ways. *1. To his finished work they add the mass* No, Jesus' work IS THE MASS. The Last Supper was the 1st Mass. To deny the Mass is to deny Jesus, which is why you are a heretic cut off from the love of God in any meaningful way. *2. To his word they add tradition* It's genuinely hilarious you think Jesus' words don't extent past the Bible. You see, your false christ is false. He's a neglectful drunk father that abandons his kinds, which explains why Martin Luither had such a toxic relationship with him, which you've inherited. Tradition allows us to communicate with the Apostles and know the teachings of Jesus they knew. In fact, many of those same traditions you also believe it, if only in a bastardized way. *3. To his headship they add a pope* Jesus gave us a head over us that is the Pope. You reject Christ in this way as well. When Jesus commands something of the heretic, the heretic bends over backwards to make it optional. You're doing that very well. The rest of your slander is too stupid to confront. I hope you enjoy the Death you're choosing to die. But Hell is never enjoyable, so I know you won't. Repent and turn to the real authentic Jesus. Not the frayd you've inherited from the rejects of the Authentic.

@@thepalegalilean John 6:30-40 Your church teaches that it's possible to go to mass thousands upon thousands of times, but still wind up perishing in hell. So if you want to say that Jesus' work _is_ the mass, then you're saying that Jesus is ultimately going to fail The Father. If he's lost even one then he hasn't lost none.

@@NeededGR13F Yes. It is. Because people make choices. Jesus doesn't fail the Father. We do. Moreover, the Mass can sanctify you, IF YOU ALLOW IT TO. You reject Jesus, however, so you aren't allowing Him to sanctify you at all. Jesus loses nothing. We lose Jesus. Thus, the possibility of hell concerns you gravely.

Go ahead seethe and cope

Very distracting

joodayism is a plague upon humanity

I’m pretty sure that virginity in that context has to do with behavior (e.g., seeking to be pure, rather than immoral). God chose the Virgin Mary only because He wanted His Son not to be “touched” by immortality (sin), even in that sense). Mary is fortunate and blessed for being chosen by God. But that’s the end of it. Read the New Testament, it’s all of what the Savior Jesus Christ did for sinners.

@@Juan-xd8lh I’m not sure what you are saying. I was disagreeing with the statement in the video that perpetual virginity would imply that Jesus couldn’t have been birthed through the canal because it would cause Mary to lose her virginity. I completely disagree with that logic. In fact, I think the statement is downright stupid. I tried to give examples showing his statement was wrong.

@@jerryyoung6494 Nothing mystic here my friend. Jesus had a regular birth because he was birthed by a human being. Whether you agree that it has an effect on the physicality of the woman or not is something you have to reconcile yourself, but it s pretty rational to me.

Brother is like saying close friend... come here my brotha form another mother kind of thing

@@jerryyoung6494 agree, always thought that as well, the protoevangelium of james is the one source for the idea of the beaming out of Jesus, I mean, our religion is one of miracles so I don't completely disregard a miraculous birth but also don't think a natural birth goes against the Blessed Mother's perpetual virginity.

The doctrine e of transubstantiation requires the Aristotlean categories of accidents and substance. Such beliefs became doctrinal until the Middle Ages. Ignatius did not believe the Roman Catholi belief of the Eucharist. ROMAN CATHOLICISM IS INHERENTLY ANACHRONISTIC.

@@acolytes777 The concept of substances must be true for logic to work in any context. For example, your substance is human, your accidents are your height, weight, eye color, ect. If you deny substance altogether, your also denying the possibility of the word "humanity" of having any meaning. Substance is just another word for nature, and if nothing has any inherent nature you wouldn't even be able to talk about anything: you would only be left with change and flux; even your understanding of this sentence would be ungraspable because the meaning must be in constant flux in your mind.

Interesting how the divinity of Christ is established in the Gospels. Catholicism is a worthless sect, repent and believe in the Gospel, mate.

@@lj5652 there is no such thimg as nature, and there is no such thing as substance. My nature is not human, what would that even mean. I am human because I have a body and mind of a human. These are no different qualities than my height, they are all my actual, tangible properties. Nature is not a property. It's an imaginary concept, it defines nothing. It's not part of spiritual reality, because it's not in the Bible, and it's not part of real world, you can't touch it or put it in a jar. Nature and substance is bullshit.

You don't need transubstantiation in order to believe in the Real Presence.

Our Mother of Perpetual Help," statements such as "thou art the dispenser of ALL the goods which God grants to us miserable sinners," yup She Gave birth to the savior ALL the goods which God grants to us miserable sinners

​@@bibleman8010 And your salvation is hinged on her, not God

@@raphaelfeneje486 No Mary No Jesus No salvation❤❤

@@bibleman8010 In other words, God is so weak and limited that there couldn't be any other way Salvation would have come without Mary. Good one. Hold on to your heresy. Mary died for you, not Jesus ✌️

@@raphaelfeneje486you questioning Gods plan guess you should have consulted him and told him your plan since you know better🤦‍♀🤦‍♀

AMEEN

You are in error. You can't understand because you do not believe. Saint Anselm!

@@josephmyers9843 I'm sorry my friend you're the one that's an error. Did you not understand, because you put your faith in the Catholic church more than you do the Lord Jesus Christ. The Catholic Church teaches lies from the pits of hell, but there are some of the teachings that are actually biblically accurate.

Cool story bro.

Dang bro no need to be an open heretic

I can called every believer blessed. I'm not risking an eternity of conscious bodily torment or paradise on a creature, but Jesus Christ's once for all sacrifice. Roman Catholicism is an utterly ridiculous, blatantly satanic joke.

except they use this to stretch this to mean givew hyperdulia to Mary

Jimmy Aquila: Why do you say that originally the title Theotokos had nothing to do with the veneration of Mary is self evidently false? Although I am not Roman Catholic, I have always heard that it was given to her as a safeguard around the identity of her son.

@@shirleygoss1988 I'm not Catholic either, I'm just a student of Church history. If you read both Primary and Secondary sources it's very clear that Veneration of Mary was a long-established practice in the Church by the time of the Nestorian Controversy. This isn't to say it had gone nearly as far as the modern Roman Church has taken it, and it was indeed primarily about safeguarding the divinity of Christ, but Dr. White seems to think it had nothing to do with Mary Whatsoever, which just isn't true.

@@blackoutninja even the blameless before God Elizabeth felt unworthy as the Mother of the Lord approached her, she whom all generations shall call blessed. Plus, the Mother of the King in the Davidic line of royalty is the Queen Mother. Peace always in Jesus Christ our Great and Kind God and Savior, He whose Flesh is True food and Blood True drink. You are in my prayers

Reformed Christianity affirms the visible church which is a historical church and is a manifested eschatological church making its way through time and history. We affirm the objectivity of the covenant of grace. Invisible church nods at Paul's language in Romans 9 (since regeneration is invisible): "not all those who are Israel are of Israel" and in Galatians 6: "the Israel of God".

@@TheDroc1990 Its a historical church that reformed theology is almost totally severed theologically from, though.

@@Acek-ok9dp Read Volume 3 of Franic Turretin Institutes of Elenctic Theology.

@@TheDroc1990 the historical church looked nothing like the reformed. It's as simple as that. Protestantism has no basis in church history

@@bastionofthefaith92 so whose arguments have you heard and based that conclusion? What scholarship are we discussing? Dr. Jordan Cooper and Patristic Soteriology? Or Francis Turretin Elenctic Theology volume 3 on the Reformed Church and its origins? Even Calvins Institutes- he makes a case for the true church in history. But yeah check out Coopers work on Justification in the Church Fathers. The Roman church, culminated in their apostasy by the Council of Trents anathematizing of the true gospel. She is lost and no more the church. The Lutherans believe they are the exclusive medieval church. We disagree and believe that the restoration of the church went beyond Germany and blossomed into the more organic movement that it is now. So that the most comprehensive and consistent visible body today are the Continental Reformed and Orthodox Presbyterian Churches. If you want a first century church- go Reformed. A vibrant community of like minded believers continuing in the Apostles doctrine, breaking bread, and prayer. Christs doctrine is the continuation of the Spirits authority that the Church in history is always therefore anchored. There is no divine episcopate or Papacy.

Mary would not have been running around the 1st C. Jewish world with a group of men who were not her sons.

It worked for the wedding couple at Cana.

You: First of all, I know Catholics and I know what worship looks like. Me: No you don't. Worship occurs in the heart and not in the posture. Only God knows what is in a person's heart. .You: They pray to her. That's treating her as you should treat God. Me: Only if you do not know the meaning of the word "pray".

@@bridgefin - Compare your statements with the bible. Bowing down to a statue is EXACTLY what Israel did in the wilderness. Honoring something or someone as you would God is offensive to Him and this is why He tells us that He is a jealous God. I don't care if it's bowing down to an image of Baal, kissing a big cube in a desert somewhere, bowing to an angel or a human. You don't do that! That is NOT permitted in the kingdom of God. It's a frickin' capital offense, man! Now, I'm not talking about how one would bow to a king or political figure. That's not what the bible is talking about. It's bowing to a religious person or object. By the Book, that's idol worship. When I was Confirmed in the sixth grade, we all genuflected and kissed the archbishop's ring. He tapped us on the cheek and we were "Confirmed". That, my friend, is called "worship". And it is why Peter scolded Cornelius when he did that to him. Acts 10:25-26 - And as Peter was coming in, Cornelius met him, and fell down at his feet, and worshipped him. 26 But Peter took him up, saying, Stand up; I myself also am a man. We don't do that in the kingdom of God. Jesus promised that the gates of hell would not prevail against His church and when we look at the Catholic Church, we see the gates of hell prevailing against that thing right-and-left. Therefore, it cannot be the church of Christ. It doesn't pass the litmus test.

@@GizmoFromPizmo You: bowing to an angel or a human. You don't do that! That is NOT permitted in the kingdom of God. Me: Honor thy mother and father. It is a perfectly acceptable form of human honor to bow to the one being honored. You: It's bowing to a religious person or object. By the Book, that's idol worship. Me: Baloney. Worship something/someone other than God is idol worship. No matter how you do it. Bowing has nothing to do with it. You: When I was Confirmed in the sixth grade, we all genuflected and kissed the archbishop's ring. He tapped us on the cheek and we were "Confirmed". That, my friend, is called "worship". Me: You showed nothing that was remotely worship. Kissing the bishop's ring is kissing the sign that he is a successor to the apostles and that is an honorable offices because Jesus MADE IT SO. You: We don't do that in the kingdom of God. Me: Correct we don't worship men. Perfect Catholic doctrine. You: Jesus promised that the gates of hell would not prevail against His church and when we look at the Catholic Church, we see the gates of hell prevailing against that thing right-and-left. Therefore, it cannot be the church of Christ. It doesn't pass the litmus test. Me: OR, your assessment is wrong and all of your attacks are fruitless SINCE hell can't prevail against the only possible candidate for the church established by Jesus.

@@bridgefin - In the profession of psychology, we call what you're doing, "denial". You're doing something and calling it something else. Such cognitive dissonance is necessary in Catholicism because it claims to honor both the word of God and human tradition. The bible doesn't permit you to do that as it gives multiple serious warnings against handling the word of God that way. The only way around it is to claim that something one is obviously doing is not at all what they're actually doing. It's a psychological condition. It's like a Democrat who says, he loves America. That cannot possibly be so. Jesus taught that you cannot serve two masters. You will either love one and hate the other or you will serve one and despise the other. Look at the blind rage displayed in the Middle Ages against those who chose to believe the bible rather than serve man's religion. It's what happens when you try to hold two opposites as truth in your mind. Look at the Democrat Party. The violence and hatred toward everything good and holy is on FULL DISPLAY. Why? It's because they cannot resolve (on a conscious level) the fact that they hate everything God has created and still call themselves morally superior to everyone else around them. It's the same psychosis we saw in the mid-twentieth century when the Germans deemed themselves holier than everyone else. It's no accident that it quickly became a murder machine. The same thing is repeated in every generation, it seems. And it comes as a result of a mental breakdown trying to hold two opposite realities as true. In the words of the Apostle Peter, "Save yourselves from this corrupt generation!"

@@GizmoFromPizmo You: In the profession of psychology, we call what you're doing, "denial". Me: No, when I tell you that you are a liar that has nothing to do with psychology and everything to do with your choice to follow God or Satan. You: Look at the blind rage displayed in the Middle Ages against those who chose to believe the bible rather than serve man's religion. Me: Excellent 19th century anti-Catholic hatred on display. Too bad it is mostly bogus. You: In the words of the Apostle Peter, "Save yourselves from this corrupt generation!" Me: I personally am doing that on the only safe barque in this ocean of disaster. Enjoy your rowboat. The ship can still take on those looking for safety if you change your mind. And it is still sea worthy despite your pea shooter attempts to take it down.

Correct, queenship is just a byproduct of mother of the king.

So you see that prayer as heresy and would denounce it as vile?

Would you see the prayer as heretical are you willing to denounce it or would that mean the Roman Catholic Church is no longer United?

Shnobo is that prayer infallible doctrine/ dogma or was it just a prayer that a guy wrote?

@@mikes.8120 Is it heretical or not? Would you be willing to say that prayer?

Fardawg No but for the record I don’t think it’s infallible. I don’t think any prayers are infallible except the Lord’s Prayer. I’m no theologian, but just cause a saint wrote it doesn’t mean that it’s perfect. You can make mistakes and . Be a saint.

Are you afraid of being convinced of Catholic Dogmas?

@@SD-fk8bt “It is the Lord your God you shall fear. Him you shall serve and by his name you shall swear.” Deuteronomy 6:13. No, I’m not afraid of becoming Catholic. We’re called to fear God, and serve him only. Scripture regularly shows how we are to reject the Papacy, and hold only to Christ as the head of the church. The book of Colossians alone gives us reason to reject Catholic dogma. Ecumenism can only work when God’s word is placed as our final authority, when Christ is worshipped as the head of the church, when glory is given to God alone, and when we choose to adhere to the council of the Holy Spirit and not to men. Since Catholicism rejects all of those, we cannot find ecumenical harmony.

@@wild7goose is the Bible the word of God?

@@SD-fk8bt Yes, I said that Scripture, being the Word of God, is our final authority. Specifically, for what is normative for the Church and the life of a Christian.

@@wild7goose Haa haa fool! It is not. The Bible is not the Word of God rather Catholics believe that JESUS IS THE WORD OF GOD, The Word made Flesh who dwelt among us. But your small Sola Scriptura brain can't even begin to understand the magnificence of this truth.