The Vandalization of Star Trek 

It's fitting and could have been done on purpose. It was a warning.

Discovery is also the name of the ship from 2001: A Space Odyssey.

Capt'Wes Starwind I saw that it fits perfect!

Apparently, Fuller noticed it, and ran with it.

It's fitting because it's like Star Trek has been sleeping with the wrong writers and ended up diseased.

Star Trek, Star Wars, Dr. Who, Fallout, Battlefield.. bonus points for almost every major comic book series for still needing their fans despite neglecting them..

sounds like a JJ adams quote

I'm a trekkie and I don't really care about SW but I have never had any problem with it or its fans. I don't think the problem is so much having significant adversity to work thorough I think there's just not a ton to join forces on. We have the same enemies but different goals, should trekkies work on making SW? should SW fans work on making trek?

Star Trek is open ended storytelling. Adventure, exploring. It's ideal, wonderful, fun, endearing, engaging, uplifting. It is for smart people. Star Wars is about: War... is closed story telling. More about the past than the future. It is horrifically bad, unwatchable, pointless, depressing. It is for stupid people.

Star WARS is about WAR. IT IS THE EVIL! Star TREK is about Adventure. It is perfection.

Welp, Looks like there are some real dipshits on this side of things.

I don't believe it to be fair nor accurate to say that the two are mutually exclusive. As a child of the 70's, I was mesmerized by both. The perceived rivalry is of much hype and little substance imo.

ugliest Star Trek inspired design ever, imho...

Steve Selinsky It used to be concept art for the Enterprise?

true....but they didn't go with it, and ended up with a much better design...i agree with Dave on this subject- using a discarded concept as the main ship for the show is aiming pretty low...

ya

do you know they made enterprise pizza cutter?

There's a lot of good trek out there. Can't beat Captain "Soldier of the Federation" Kirk, but Sisko comes pretty close, and pretty much all the Treks have likeable qualities.

Oh, it isn't a reboot. They will tell you that. Yeah, right.

So much good SF never gets filmed, so why desicrate SF that was done well with lesser sequels, spinoffs and reboots when a creative team could start with something fresh?

Todd Whelan I like the new shows better then the old ones, that might just be because I’m only 13

condew HacDC what does SF stand for?

If Paramount is going to kill Trek I am sure some Ex Consultants who were shunned are helping put some nails in the coffin of STD by helping Orville.

I love The Orville.

The Orville is the next big thing by being true to the core of Star Trek.

Matt Brown that explains alot

I heard that Johnathan Frakes directed one of the episodes! (Now I'm going to have to find that one...)

Agreed, Spock being half human had nothing to do with the conflict between him and his father

Not only that But Sarek himself even stated that when it came to his son he was unable to remain logical

@@nataliedenton1299 in star trek the final frontier it is brought up that Spock felt he was a disappointment to his father by being part human and not full Vulcan. But that was from spocks point if view not Sarek.

@@sykune Then why would Spock's father marry and impregnate a human in the first place?

@@SoulSir5vr he fell in love with a human. What I was referring to was Spocks fear which was revealed to be being a disappointment to his father for being more human then Vulcan. It actually had nothing to do with spocks father, as it was all in spocks mind watch the final frontier and it will become quite clear.

@Gallen Dugall Exactly! This is one of the main reasons I don't like Discovery and refuse to consider it as part of the Star Trek franchise, and that's primarily because it's pretty much cut from the exact same cloth as shows like Game of Thrones and The Walking Dead in which intense drama and action are king. TOS was created at a perfect time in which people needed to be injected with hope and optimism at a time when the world was incredibly pessimistic. Today we live in a similar era to the 1960's, in which there are conflicts in the Middle East, and tensions with nations like Russia and North Korea, as well as the fears that World War III could begin at any moment... and what does Star Trek do? Make a new series that ENCOURAGES those pessimistic views and make people feel more grim about the future, that's what. And it's all done in the name of money.

Even with those tensions, humanity is far better off overall in 2017 than it was in the 1960s. The notion that DIS can't present an optimistic future because it needs to be grim in order to reflect and comment on the issues of today's world is nothing more than supreme laziness and a case of Mean World Syndrome taken to its most illogical extreme.

It's absurdist narcissistic pandering. STD is for all those people who have to believe that they are the most important people who have ever lived and living at the most important time in history and literally the entire universe was created just to give them personally this time.

Same thing w/ Star Wars, in 30 years you go back to another Empire, all the struggles in the first 6 movies were for nothing. It is foolish to think that is not coincidental, the purpose is to demoralize the public, to make people accept how shitty the world is today and how it will be tomorrow... Take a lesson or two from the Klingons, do not give in, do not back down, be defiant, reject and fight this evil as long as necessary.

I would disagree if they weren't being so ham fistedly obvious. Why can't Hollywood make a single decent movie anymore? Because it has to be crap - deliberate crap. The Soviets did the same garbage in their entertainment - seriously try to watch an old Soviet era movie and it's a mirror image of depressing crap.

Yes, there were lots of conflicts in the TOS and other series. The Corbomite Maneuver was likely one of the best examples from the original series. Or how about Galileo 7.

Gerry C your response does not address my comment at all. Good writing or bad, Gene's future was that humans can resolve conflict, not be free from them.

I believe the rule was no conflict among the crew. No matter what happens, a crew member can depend on another crew member, even if they differ in other cultural and genetic ways.

Gene didn't have full creative control over TOS, that's why time and again there are also references to God, which is REALLY something he didn't like. He only got 100% of control in early TNG, and he made clear that there was to be NO conflict between crewmembers, the conflict could only come from outside (aliens). You can see the writers themselves talking about how their scripts were rejected by Gene because of these things.

condew HacDC that's called military decorum. That's nothing revolutionary.

read: "Dumber" audience. "Logic would dictate" this approach; because it is "without question"!

Less of a audience!

Yeah, give a starving man a dog shit sandwich and he'll eat half of it before he realizes it's not peanut butter... However it won't take long for 100% of true Star Trek fans to realize it's a Faaake! At least there is the Orville (as much as I only liked a handful of season 2 episodes, but those few were great)

For me this is not Canon.

@@jonathanberry9502 Yea but Orville season 3 was pure perfection

@@orionaquila420 Orville is awesome no doubt.

myriad1973 Star Trek: Unrecognizable

Don't worry, the JJverse and Discovery aren't canon to the main universe. No matter how much the apologists piss and moan about alternate timeline bullshit. They're set not just in an alternate timeline, but an alternate timeline to an alien parallel universe that only kinda looks like the main universe. Its such a departure from canon that even if it was canon, it might as well not be.

Yeah really makes you appreciate the good old days of ST!

still better than TOS

This.

Base on what? The captains of STD have all the charisma of an anvil, compared to Kirk and Picard.

@@Novarcharesk TAKE YOUR MEDICATION SPAZ

@@knightmoritz1895 still better than TOS Nah. TOS is a classic. we wouldn't have Star Trek if it wasn't for TOS.

Don’t worry, Picard is great. They realized what the fans wanted: tons and TONS of violence, torture, screaming, murder, and cussing.

Picard is the shittiest "sci-fi" I have ever witnessed.

@@orionaquila420 Yeah Picard killed Star Trek for me. Never thought that I'd say that sentence. I've resorted to just watching Red Letter Media reviews of the Picard seasons because they are so bad.

@@cinemike8207 I re watched almost all TNG episodes to remind myself of what star trek used to be after watching that sh*t... And apparently, Picard used to be a realistic character back then. Fascinating.

I know, right? Was a fan since the first episode. Even Jimmy Doohan's son is playing a role as Scotty and they got support from actual Star Trek veteran actors too. Can't get any better blessing than that. CBS could have cashed in on that but legal difficulties with Paramount are the reason why we will never get an actual official Star Trek from them. Also why they had to kill Axanar.

Check out Phase Two as well.Wonderful job there as well. They even have a duplicate of TOS sound stage and open it to the public from time to time. If you want to walk the halls of the Enterprise and are in NY check them out and see if they are offering tours during your stay.

Star Trek Continues is a love letter to Rodenberry. Were Gene alive he'd blush.

I'm more of a fan of Phase 2 than Continues. Phase 2 had some powerful episodes without getting preachy. I'm afraid "What Starships Are For" had SJW stamped all over it to the point it was unpalatable.

It is an excellent little series, I need to watch it more and that gorgeous redheaded woman....what's her name? I'll figure it out!

The pilot was a little wobbly and the episode "The Krill" had me rolling my eyes far more than once. Other than that, I've enjoyed every Orville episode that's aired so far. The Altar of Trek is there with the not-too-heavy-handed irreverence that McFarlane is known for. Great mix.

Peter Frankemölle same thing WITH starwars jjabrams makes a good Obama lackey total screw up of everything they touch!

JJ's 1st re branding I thought was great fun, and had potential for a good follow up. Same with Star Wars.... Seeing a trend, here.

JJ movies were silly.All they did was blow things up,how many starships can you destroy?

@@KiltBill2 Star Trek 2009 was horrible. They rebooted the franchise for THIS? No story, nothing of value added to the franchise, just shocking the audience with cheap shots like the destruction of Vulcan, destruction of Starfleet, near destruction of Earth, etc., every 5 minutes.

@@JAnx01 for a Treky I bet it hurt. But most Trek movies were pretty bland, and to get new fans it needed freshening up. As a reboot, like with TFA, it revitalised the franchise. But it is clear JJ cannot follow up on good starts.

And the conflict part is thanks to network execs at the time because had tos ad eared to this philosphy, TOS will never had been as popular as it was.

Yep I love tng’s pilot but starting by proving humans are no longer savages stunted the rest

Me too. When people were saying his first Trek movie was good - or wasn't bad - I was like lolwut? I hated every second of it.

dat 7 of 9 booty tho

now now let's be fair, the first abrams trek was only half bad. The first half of the movie was actually watchable. The movie turn to shit when kirk got on the enterprise.

Joshua Roberts jj abrams and the jjshitverse need to be swallowed up in a black hole. The shit for brains has screwed up all that he touches....what a twat!

TheBlackB0X i hate everything jj abrams has done to star trek except the u.s.s. vengeance. That ship is ballsy.

#TwoNukesWasntEnough

+creapsmantic the sin of being beguiled by lense flares.

Wulfgar Axanar died due to Alec Peters' greed and dishonesty. Just over the weekend, he was caught selling perks (patches and such) through a third party that were originally supposed to go to donors, who have waited 2 years and *still* haven't received them. This third party tried to claim that she had no connection to Peters whatsoever. This was quickly proven false with a little sleuthing. This third party actually goes back with Peters at least a couple of years. So basically, Peters was caught trying to subvert the terms of his settlement with CBS. Par for the course with that slug. Axanar is dead because of Alec Peters and Alec Peters alone.

Because of the Axanar scam, CBS slapped down the fan films which is why Start Trek Continues is closing.

Axanar died because STD showrunners and writers were embarrassed by how good Axanar was, and how well it fit into the ENT - TOS timeline.

Keep 'em in the dark and feed them bullshit to grow a mycelium network on which a giant stolen Tardigrade can surf...

Then TNG made it better. Then DS9 made it more gritty but still great. Then Voyager made it still pretty damn good...then came the Jar Jar Abrams and Pooamount

GarthKlaus well said

charles ryanlee Well, you being tired does not explain TFA's plotholes, does not make acting and dialogues any better, and main characters aren't in any way more intresting, so we still have right, and in some way obligation to shit upon this movie

You mean Jar Jar Abrams. Also, he's no longer evil incarnate. That was stolen from him by Ruin Johnson.

Jar jar abrams / kurtzman / orci "Star Trek" 2009 is completely Stupid from beginning to end. Apart from the fact that it does not respect the spirit, it's not even a good movie. It's completely incoherent, the motivations and acts are incoherent, changes do not make sense, and science is completely flouting, which makes it all unlikely.

@ Philippe Alain Wow... you re so full of shit! =)

Enterprise was my personal favorite series. The main and supporting cast I liked completely. My favorite captain was Picard, but I wasn’t fond of many of TNG supporting cast. Klingons never worked for me because they are always warlike simpletons, Riker was a creepy sexaholic, Geordi was a dork, everyone hated Wesley, I like Dr Crusher but she was given SO LITTLE airtime for a face like that, Data was too often used as a Deus Ex Machina, and I liked Troi fine. Voyager’s cast was fine, but Enterprise simply had the most likable and relatable characters. None of them were so full of themselves like in other shows.

I love Enterprise. It's so good. I think having an almost entirely human cast works really well because the characters have to be interesting on their own, without an alien gimmick. The show does a really good job paying attention to details in the characters behavior, and develops them well. Even the emotionless Vulcan is well-rounded (eh, pun not intended). But I also liked The Next Generation's cast, I think it may be my favorite crew. I thought Voyager was weak, and Deep Space Nine was a mixed bag. Quark was brilliant. Cisco was OK. Kira and Dax were annoying. Odo was a cool idea for a character. And O'Brian was finally given the attention he deserved, even if he was tortured in all of his best episodes... 🤣

So true, it is not!

The issue is that they HAD to do it with the Kelvin timeline because the Star Trek license is split between CBS and Paramount. That is why Uniforms have to look different as well as any other thing that looks remotely similar. Basically these legal issues are the reason why neither CBS nor Paramount are able to do a new Star Trek that looks exactly like Star Trek. Which pretty much means that Star Trek is dead. The new Star Trek is only carrying the name because Brand recognition.

Insulting fans is what modern Hollywood, Comic writers, and Games "Journalists" do best these days. It's because they are SOOOO much more moral than the rest of us. It's as if the public were on Weinstiens casting couch instead of themselves, and they are here to give us a good sermon on our degeneracy, hold the story and game play since they are irrelevant compared to their unsubtile message.

CallMeMrRook that's the point with reboots. Fans of geeky franchises aren't allowed to have nice things. So they reboot and do "prequels" as a means of changing the canon so they can appropriate the series for their chosen new fans.

50 years ago, Hollywood had to carefully disguise its true nature, now they can be a whole lot more open about their real objectives.

stephenjdutton fun fact the “experts” were only brought in in episode seven and their job is to make sure they don’t reuse stories that Trek has already done

ouch. At least they are consistent with their 2 dimensional thinking!

The first two episodes of ST:D didn't manage that at all. "Balance of Terror" was about how war was a chess game, and neither Captain would've dreamed of beaming over to the other's ship just to lure them then stab them when they're vulnerable. Where is the Klingon honor? Where is the thought process? It's all "Game of Trek" to me. They're going with what works for modern audiences, not what made Star Trek great.

@condew HacDC Examples of actual fans of Discovery, y'know the users who haven't been banned for bullying others. This is all taken from just last week can you believe it. trekcore.com/blog/2017/10/new-star-trek-discovery-sanest-man-episode-photos-and-video-preview/ The Science Fiction Oracle: "Looks like the little baby was complaining to the mods and got my humorously sarcastic, but not by any means mean spirited, graphics deleted. What a spoiled sport! LOL" DC Forever: "Are you wearing pants while viewing those photos?" trekcore.com/blog/2017/10/star-trek-discoverys-canon-connections-episode-106/ shannon smith: (about TOS) "Still looks old, dated and cheesy as all hell." "No man, its a fact." trekcore.com/blog/2017/10/star-trek-discovery-107-spoiler-discussion-magic-to-make-the-sanest-man-go-mad/ "shannon smith: (when people tell her Discovery isn't the Prime Universe) "It is prime, your inablity to accept facts will not change that." She continues trolling... "It is not an opinion. The fact remains it is prime, because the people who gets to decide what is and is not prime have said about 47 times, It is prime. You rejecting that fact is not an "opinion". It is a rejection of a stated fact." "So very true. They have a head canon and accept that and only that as canon. All the while ignoring real canon because they do not understand it." "Yes, son ot is. They write canon. You have a profound lack of understsning of what canon is" "He does not understand what canon is and he is trolling. He is trying to cause confusion and change the meanings of terms." "He is basicly spreading a lie he knows is a lie." TUP (he thinks everybody else is a troll, ha, ha! : "It works for the vast majority of people too. Some people think its cute to create an internet identity for themselves as the rebels who argue the facts. I mean, whatever, good for them. Too bad life isnt interesting enough without trolling fans on a message board. lol" "The people who are STILL whining about this not taking place in the Prime Universe are getting really really tiresome. The rest of us are laughing at how silly you're acting. Its PRIME. Unless they do something in-universe to change that, its a stone cold fact." "Good grief. This is spamming now and should be a bannable offense! lol" "What personal attack? The "you're personally attacking me" is the last gasp of a desperate argument. You're posting many many posts picking arguments over something that is fact. That is trolling and spamming." Can you tell? I got banned weeks ago because of these idiots.

You're aware that the original Trek had Hollywood tropes and lots of action.

@@TheVeritas1 No it hadn't.

@I don't feel so good. Yes, TNG did draw from Hollywood tropes from time to time.

He said next generation. Picard was hardly losing his shirt every episode like Kirk. There was not a ton of action in the next generation, it was more cerebral. That said, I thought season one of Discovery was pretty good. I liked the captain and it was a crazy way to end the season. Next season went straight to stupid. But Trek has NEVER been really 'great'. Keep in mind the original series was cancelled after two years.

You are not sure about something, sure about something else, still your reply is useless.

Me neither, do you have a point?

+Deep Peace Bro, everybody can be wrong from time to time ;)

All of the conflict was human verses aliens, or aliens verses other aliens. There was very little if any human on human conflict. The "humans" of the Star Trek franchise have always had this disquieting "Its a Small World" snow globe look and feel about them. No person in an actual military looks or acts anything like the crew members of the various Star Trek shows.

+Grey But that was exactly the point. *Every* Alien conflict was a metaphor of a human conflict. And I don't think Roddenberry needed anybody to tell him how actual military looks like, besides, Star Trek is not a documentary about the army.

Anyone miss the days when Dave had enough hair to show his face in vids?

I have no interest in "dark and gritty" Star Trek. There's plenty of dark and gritty in other entertainment and real life. We need the optimism of Star Trek to give us a light at the end of the tunnel.

condew HacDC Your 100 percent correct.

Hell, compared to STD, "Star Trek Into Darkness" is bright and colorful.

No, being in space being peaceful is the right vision, in STD, you meet someone who wants to be you friend, you blow them to bits. Remember what begins every time The Original Series starts. Space the final frontier, these are the voyages of the starship Enterprise, her 5-year mission, to explore strange new worlds, to seek out new life and new civilizations, to boldly go where no man has gone before.... In what sentence does that have action? Starfleet is about exploring, not blowing everything up in their path...

You speak from my heart Nes Ra!!! I absolutely agree with you! Maturity and reason is part of Roddenberry's vision, not dramatic soap opera style fights aboard the Enterprise.

Right, going all the way back to the pilot episode "The Cage" with Captain Pike, through Kirk's TOS, and all that came afterward, all of the commissioned women crew onboard the Enterprise and subsequent ships were "Officers and Gentlemen" in the true Naval tradition, then in space. Only God knows what this "captain" and crew of these, very aptly named, "STD people" are supposed to be!

They had Nokia phones.

There is nothing wrong with a Series based on a fictional War (Deep Space Nine) if it is thought out. If it is given a fictional historical context. S-PLOSIONS! Just for the sake of having them - NO! BLUEY PHASERS REDDY BADDIES Phew Phew Phew! Welcome to your STD - did you bring your Penicillin?

The executives to whom you pen your comment could not care less about Trek fans or its principles. As long as $$, they’ll pander like ten dollar whores.

STD Klingon war was not real, there was only a Romulan War between 2062 through 2260, and that was the only war back then, CBS has to screw over everyone

I agree with you, but I still enjoyed Abram's Star Trek movies. For me, Movies need lots of action and a good plot, but only TV shows really have the time to explore thought provoking scenarios. For me ST: Discovery (Did they not think STD?) is the big failure here.

Yup.

Flufferz626 your father sounds cool

Kalell1701 yeah we spent almost an hour on the phone last week talking about Blade Runner 2049. He hates talking on the phone normally. His dedication to fandoms is admirable. He tracked down a digital copy from a laserdisc of the Theatrical release of the original Blade Runner when he found out I saw the infamous Director's Cut before the Final Cut came out. I aim to not be ashamed of my geeky hobbies in front of my kids too. I guess "geek" is mainstream now anyway.

It's not awkward now, it's awkward now if you like STD

It's not awkward. My dad (a legit trekkie) and some other people think that Enterprise was the last time it was good. After that it went downhill. (I've never seen Enterprise so...)

I liked Enterprise too. But I couldn't shake the feeling that eventually Archer would make that final leap home ..... (Al?! Are you there Al?! ....) As weird as it might be for someone who liked the show, I can't help thinking that if they'd cast someone else as Captain Archer (Bakula was too well known) and maybe recast Tucker with someone more 'serious' as well (even though I did like the actor playing Tucker) that it would have been more successful. It just felt like it was missing something to me ..... the cast wasn't quite right.

Enterprise got a lot better in the second half, but you're absolutely right about Bakula. Also really hated T'Pol - she was literally just there to be the new 7of9 and have weird sweaty scenes after missions. Absolute waste.

enterprise sucked borg on pre-kirk earth? GTFO STD sucks too in its own way

dedf15 and then in 3rd one they made the Asian character gay for no reason. They actually blended the real life of the original actor with the character. Ridiculous

@Alex sounds like what you are saying is Lt Sulu was a token arxhetype, instead of being an individual.

I Love the Orville. The characters feel fresh. When the Captain's ex became first officer, I thought oh here we go. The Captain get's the ship into trouble and it's his smart ar$e female first officer who always bails him out before chastising him for being too impulsive. But before the second episode was done, she was apologizing to him for her errors. How often do you see that on TV these days?

Killerspieler0815 the writers in Orville were from classic and tng Trek

I really enjoyed the third Star Trek movie, it felt like an episode from TOS to me.

Maybe the point of STD is to show how humans were before the TOS days? But isn't STD in the same time frame as STE ? Captain Archer's crew wasn't a bunch of whiny back-stabbers like the STD characters seem to be.

And we need some positivity on television! There's nothing wrong with having people get along. There's gotta be _some_ way to make a good show with ridiculous amounts of conflict. I mean, come on, be creative! Figure something out!

@@H2Obsession STD is contemporary with TOS (starts about 10 years before Kirk's 5 year mission). Presume you've not watched the end of the season, but the meet the 1701 and Capt Pike is commanding Discovery at the start of S2.

Masterge77 if you think that Orville is parody, you haven’t watched it. It’s the best show on tv as far as I’m concerned. It’s the truest Trek without a stick up it’s ass. It’s heartfelt, sincere, but also humorous. The writing is casual but believable and the actors are terrific. I haven’t watched STD since the pile of crap free premier, but I’ve already rewatched all of The Orville season 1 - twice.

Masterge77 there are fans they just don’t listen to us

I think most of the seasons were excellent. Enterprise I like more than other series because the characters are far more likable and interesting. Whenever you get something like a Ferengi or Klingon on another series, they have this full of themselves attitude that destroys a lot of the dialogue, because they have utterly intolerant cultures that make everyone else take a backseat to their single minded philosophy. The idea behind Enterprise is that we have a crew who are genuinely uncertain of themselves with new situations, and they work hard to think things through. The actors and actresses were all great too, which helped.

Actually, women with masculine names are more common than you think.

TheVeritas1 so common people almost never meet one? And neutral names like Kris, Kim or Alex don't count.

TheVeritas1 Agreed, but how is this justified in STD? Sex confusion is the declared intention.

I'm not paying CBS to view their ads and thus haven't seen any Discovery show. But maybe Michael is just transgender? You know, a former dude who didn't change its name after changing its sex ? Did they never explain the reason for her masculine name? I hear the homosexuals blatantly remind the audience of their sexual preference in many episodes.

The actress Michael Learned was born in 1939. So Michael Burnham’s name, though unusual for a woman, is not unique. Quite a few Hebrew names can be borne by members of either sex - Michael, which is Hebrew, may be one of them. Language-wise, I don’t think there is any reason why it can’t be a girl’s name. In 300 years’ time, it may be. Non of which means that SJWishness is not at work here.

David Snead this😚🤗

I agree with you completely, thanks for writing exactly what I was thinking about this review.

Remember there was no Muslims in Star Trek. Why do you think that is ;)

You ever notice there's also no Christianity, no Judiasm, no human religion of any kind in Star Trek? It's an entirely secular society, and that's for a reason.

Right. He was the Vulcan ambassador to Earth who married a human. If he's angry at Spock for being half-human he should reevaluate his life choices. And bearing all that in mind, it wouldn't seem out of character for him to adopt a human child that was orphaned during a Klingon attack.

Vulcans have emotions, they just suppress them. Spock lost control on several occasions, and when Sarek was dying of old age, he also lost control on Star Trek: TNG.

Yup, the name, logo, ships, the universe, but, none of Star Trek's essence. That has found a new host.

None of the shows fit with TOS, they're derivative.

I couldnt have said it better myself, and I'm not one to complement people either lol

you know the kelvin timeline is different canon than the prime timeline right? And I was introduced with voyager, and while I know a lot of hardcore fans don't like voyager i grew up on it and if it didn't exist i wouldn't be a star trek fan similarly i had grown out of star trek until the kelvin timeline movies came out and while they have flaws and are not perfectly the same as the rest of star trek i would not have gone back to voyager and then started watching the rest. so i think that has been a effect on many for the kelvin timeline.

Gallen Dugall And that is why I don't like any of the shows and stick with TOS. So you've actually made the case even stronger as to why STD sucks ass.

Gallen Dugall Absolute rubbish. Star trek discovery and the JJ Abrahams films keep totally with gene Rodenberrys vision. He got his vision from the work of Jaques Fressco and the Venus project. You should check it out instead of making a fool out of yourself. And star trek discovery is set in a different time period so the Klingon and other races are not going to abide by the same societal rules they follow in the other series. Your comment is that of a butt hurt ass hat. And how would you describe the Venus project society? Progressive? Liberal? If it's along the lines of any of those then all of your comments are full of shit, and you are at odds with all star treks. STD isn't shoving anything down our throats for anyone's sake, it's doing exactly what the others have done, stick with a vision of a possible future, whilst bringing up social issues of the day and how these visions compare. There's no sjw bullshit anywhere in STD, I don't give two tosses if someone was going to take a knee, America gives it's citizens the right to protest doesn't it?

SW died before JJ came on board as director Star War's Death was guaranteed when Lucas sold the rights over to Disney Since then it's about rebranding the image, Mary Sue's, and toy sales over interesting stories, symbolism, and good ole good vs evil.

Brandon Derive true. Still it would be hard to do all of this without Jar Jar.

The EU put Jar Jar in his place actually. become the town jester during the days of the empire. But i can tolerate Jar Jar, he's a better character the collection Disney's teams of Mary Sue and Gary Sue

Brandon Derive oh didn't knew that about Jar. I was talking about Abrams. How Disneys changes to SW was easier with him on board than without.

Abrams took away the best part of SW: The lore

yup, all that nonsense and more

You fucking fascist!

GIRLS GIRLS!! You're both pretty

I lose my shit when someone says its a bad show without having watched the show. Guilty.

creapsmantic Hahaha, you got me.

trha2222 I would. Orville is the closest you can get to a true star trek series.

Orville is a lame comedy show...

perhaps in theme, but it is cheap and cartoony

Correct me if I'm wrong. The Orville has had one, count 'em ONE, season, right? AND, that 'season" was, what, SIX episodes? StarTrek, TOS, didn't really start finding itself until the SECOND season, and that was after TWENTY-SIX episodes in season one! The people tearing Orville down must be studio heads; they have the same "it's gotta be a fucking WINNER from the VERY FIRST show, or it gets cancelled!" mentality. You don't give the show time for character development, script betterment, or anything ELSE! The show is "funny"? It's INTENDED to be. Cheap? I think it matches the special effects of films costing MUCH more than the budget the show works with. Maybe the scripts could use some work; THAT'S a function of TIME, to improve and adapt, to let the writers feel their way into the characters and situations. How do you expect the show to get better if you don't give it a chance to? Or is it that you just don't give a shit?

Mike Grossberg do us all a favor and shut the fuck up.

The 2009 Star Trek movie completely tanked virtually anywhere outside the US. In much of Europe it was hardly even advertized (mostly due to the TV show being relatively obscure there, save maybe for the likes of the UK and Germany). Its domestic box office accounted for almost 70% of its global revenues which is laughably low compared to other hits of that year, such as Harry Potter 6 or Avatar, whose domestic box office was only in the areas of 30%. The next two movies did better but even in their case the US and Canada make for some 50% of the overall income which most definitely does _not_ put them in the category of a global success. At any rate, to say that the "original" ST reboot made the franchise popular for new audiences is a _gross_ overstatement.

Yes, actually this makes a lot of sense to me. The Star Wars franchise is also front loaded towards North America as I understand it.

Star Wars has also always been more geared towards the Americans than, say, the likes of the franchises I mentioned before but it is nevertheless a global phenomenon. It's absolutely beloved in Europe, Australia and Japan (I think only Italy is somewhat indifferent: Rogue One scored only around $10 million there which is quite low). It differs from country to country, sure, but I can assure you that every man between, say, 10 and 65 in the UK, Germany, Poland or Scandinavia will be 100% aware of who Darth Vader is, as well as the Force, the dark side, the evil Empire and so on. The release of every new SW movie around here is a great event. Contrary, it doesn't seem like Star Wars is all that popular in Latin America.

Fair point. I think my only point here was that Star Wars is less of a phenomena around the world than it is here, where it is indisputably the biggest movie franchise in history. Star Trek's popularity has always been even more localized, but that has always been counterpointed by the franchises success in merchandisng and overall staying power year over year. Especially impressive when you consider that Star Trek is really a Television franchise not a movie franchise. Either way, I think we both agree that Abrams films are NOT the most popular versions of the series.

yarpen26 I do love the Star Destroyers crashing into each other, that was the best scene

Your truthful statements are hurtful to Hollyw$$d. Please stop. It's cutting their bottom line.

trha2222 how about ppl might like the show if it was, you know, actually good. but i see you're the kind of fucktard that can only use racism as an answer to everything and don't have the brains to debate a cockroach high on meth.

trha2222 pretty sure? so the monkey spunk between your ears is so useless that you don't even know if you like being called fucking stupid? i'm gonna guess that you calling the oc racist was just you remembering something trendy someone posted and thought, "i can make myself feel better by calling someone that bad word". holy fuck, and i thought the crackheads roaming around my town were stupid. 'm screen-shotting this and passing it around so they will feel like the gods amongst men that your super intellect will make them fell like they all should be.

@Bruce Walters - yeah because RU-vid is still free. CBS saw fit to put STD behind a streaming paywall, which (as far as I am concerned) has nothing else of value behind it - and the more STD reviews I hear/see, there is a strong case to remove the "else" from the preceding sentence!

trha2222 I'm pretty sure you're a race baiting piece of dog shit. Fuck you for even trying to float that bullshit.

Your loss.

Esther Barba No his, Star Trek's

Long boring story arcs had been done with DS9, VOY had variety, likeable characters and a very adventurous feel

You'd think marketing companies which are paid millions of dollars would predict that having a show's abbreviation reflect a sexually transmitted disorder would be a pretty fucked up idea. Why not "Star Trek: Uncharted"? Or "Star Trek: To Boldly Go"? Or whatever?

@yarpen26 From what I've seen and heard its more like Star Trek: Grimdark Cuz That's What's Popular

Nah, it died with Insurrection. That movie was a 180° departure from what Star Trek was about.

X16Y22 Agree! 👍 You know your shit.

X16Y22 I find it funny how the editors did not look over the abbreviation of Star Trek Discovery!!!

Dave savagely criticized that episode, because Janeway acted like such a naïve moralist in that episode. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-ApV1qp2vJaw.html

@@thomasn3882 Abysmal review i guess.

so you missed the episode where Janeway destroys the timeline to save 7of 9 and Tuvok? Janeway was written terribly and contradicted her own beliefs many times. Also in the episode Equinox, she chastises the Equinox Captain, standing on her perch with a spotless ship. Gimme a break...

@@pt29999 she was a complex character in extraordinary circumstances that tested her ideals. Her ideals could not perfectly fit the reality she found herself in. What you see as contradictions, I see as character development. Neither she nor anyone in the crew were unchanged by the long journey. She had to compromise and I'm fairly certain that was the point of those episodes where she did. Even Sisko got entangled in a plot to bring Romulus into war that got a man assassinated. He even admitted to himself he'd do it all again by the end. Good characters are flawed because nobody is perfect.

Voyager is my favourite for so many reasons, it had a good balance of everything with a great variety of characters

That ending was horribly depressing! Enterprise was by far my favorite Trek series too.

People have wanted a la carte programming for decades now. Now that it's here are you saying you instead want to pay $60/$70 bucks for 100 channels of which you will watch 5 or 6? People have bitched since the 80's about cable packages and paying so much for so many packaged channels they never watch and want to see a way to only pay for the channels they want to watch. It's starting to get here now with Netflix, Hulu, CBS Access, HBO Now, etc .... this is what we've been asking for for 40 some years. You can now cut the cord, get unlimited internet packages, and sign up for individual channels or small packages of channels and only pay for what channels you watch.

Well said

Sarek is the pointy earred Jesus - the father of all SJW's.

Not before STD ;)

It just does not make sense in any sense of the word. Kelvin History twisted mess. Paramount is messing up - TV and Movie license split. Jar Jar Arbums only impressive accomplishment was casting.

Burnham would be Spock's adopted sister not step daughter.

The funny part is, some suit in a boardroom honestly thought "this will win over the fans!"

Then we shall stop considering it canon, just like Disney Star Wars.

Have you watched it?

Patrick Matthew I have to say as an avid trek fan, I have to disagree. Had to bare with it but now the story is playing out, it’s actually very intelligent writing.

Hi. I only watched it because I was able to watch it for free. No way in hell was I going to pay to watch it

How do you know it wasn't filmed as digital?

Your are correct. however I may watch it simply for research purposes so I can debate the matter more fully.

Novarcharesk lol. Straight to the name calling.