The VERY Messed Up Origins of Charlie and the Chocolate Factory

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@JonSolo 7 месяцев назад

Edit: It seems like certain individuals are choosing to get personally offended at my critiques of Burton's Wonka movie and deliberately ignoring the numerous positive things I praised it for. GUYS... the movie is FINE and if it's your favorite of the two that's great! I am personally not a fan, so watching it 5+ times in the process of writing this episode was a bit of a slog so I incorporated a few jokes about it into the presentation. If it means that much to you, I'm deeply sorry for making fun of Johnny Depp's hair. Can we be friends again? 💜 🇬🇷 Join me on the Messed Up Origins Field Trip to GREECE! www.trovatrip.com/trip/europe/greece/greece-with-jon-scudieri-sep-2024 🇬🇷

@mattriblet9611 7 месяцев назад

Have fun!! Take stories!

@priyasall 7 месяцев назад

I can't go, I have school. Have fun!

@forrestdupre87 7 месяцев назад

Please do Treasure Island

@forrestdupre87 7 месяцев назад

You should see the Tom and Jerry version.

@prettyinpinky5937 7 месяцев назад

The idea of climbing over the gate in the nut room is such an American thing!

@jamessweenor4277 7 месяцев назад

If I went into a museum and started painting tops over the exposed breast of classic painting and sculptures, I would be arrested. These people changing books and stories from the past are no different. We should not force our current morals on works of the past, or we erase our ability to see both our growth and, at times, our mistakes.

@patricianunes3521 7 месяцев назад

Too right. I read the Tom Sawyer and Huckleberry Finn books at school. We don’t have to agree with the negative sentiments expressed by some of the characters in the book, but we can learn from the past

@xladyfayre 7 месяцев назад

@@patricianunes3521 I think it's important to not change them. It shows how the times have changed and what we've improved upon or hadn't improved. It even shows us what has stayed the same. Changing them really limits the learning we do with books. Instead, there's nothing to learn.

@patricianunes3521 7 месяцев назад

@@xladyfayre Totally agree.

@ericjette2435 7 месяцев назад

I agree with you, but I'll note that in the past, many works of art were censored (e.g., fig leaves added to cover genitalia).

@simonchristopher8324 7 месяцев назад

But the original works are still accessible. By your analogy, what's actually happening is that people are making a new version of the artwork that originally had no top, and because they recognise that some people will be really upset by the artwork having no top they're giving it a top so it'll be accessible to everyone - not just the people who don't feel troubled by seeing an artwork without a top. Meanwhile the people who want to see the artwork without a top on can still see it, and probably get a bit of extra enjoyment out of thinking they're better than other people because they prefer the edgy original, because it's still there. It hasn't gone anywhere, because the thing being adjusted isn't the original work.

@catguy5425 7 месяцев назад

Fun fact: in the first movie, none of the actors had seen the chocolate room set before shooting, so their expressions are 100% genuine, as it was their first time seeing it.

@Mountain_Drew_ 7 месяцев назад

You know what, that fact was fun. Thank you for using it correctly 🙂

@impactdrifter 6 месяцев назад

Id love to check where you found this out? Considering thats what i do, iv never heard of an actor ever see a set while shooting for the first time. How it works is they come into the set, theres a private blocking, where they practice there lines, there marks, which is where they stop and walk to for camera to measure and mark how there focus is lined up with the cameras there acting for. Then theres public blocking where the whole crew of 100+ returns thrn they act it out for us so we know where to set up lights and move furniture. Then when thats all set up they return and we shoot everyhing practiced prior, thats how it works for every scene shot in film. Anyways let me know, thanks.

@Joeizle11 6 месяцев назад

It’s funny but I somehow knew this I had to of read it a long time ago I just can’t remember where 😂 seeing your comment brought back the memory of reading it somewhere I think it was one of those articles that say funny facts about movies you didn’t know

@SpydersByte 6 месяцев назад

@@impactdrifter its "THEIR" ffs 😅

@Mountain_Drew_ 6 месяцев назад

@@SpydersByte Right?!?

@simong.h.4563 6 месяцев назад

I think the little gate that did stop the father from saving his daughter, is a pretty accurate metaphor for this kind of parents. They will give their children everything they don't want and need but no love. Wouldn't save them from predators etc. I think it's a great scene.

@Gutoknust 6 месяцев назад

I do too. I think it is actually meant for us to get to this conclusion: he'll pay any money so she won't whine and bother him, but will not break a sweat to save her, as her disappearing, in a sense is as good as paying for things that will make her quiet and unnoticeable...

@lenninmartinez5280 5 месяцев назад

Well, I think if he DID climb over the gate, then the squirrels would have attacked him too. Possibly, I think he was just paralyzed with fear, and all he could do was watch in horror.

@lex_one-two 5 месяцев назад

He had no guts..... Just money.

@lenninmartinez5280 5 месяцев назад

@@lex_one-two Indeed.

@marymitchell8986 5 месяцев назад

I was thinking the same and it could well have been purposefully filmed that way by Burton to demonstrate that very point.

@NittnyLion04 5 месяцев назад

"...the offended always forget they have the option not to partake." Truer words were never spoken. Well spoken Jon!

@ulfberht4431 4 месяца назад

The problem is getting said offended people to listen!

@mrt2this607 4 месяца назад

It seems to kinda be a hobby of their's. Or sport, who can fake the most offended. Sort of a religion, but actually Cult is better description.

@feraschatila 2 месяца назад

yeah but we’re talking about slavery…

@mayapeterson3072 Месяц назад

Damn straight.

@thomgizziz 29 дней назад

This dude was virtue signaling in parts of the video trying to fit into the pop social beliefs to look like a good person. He literally got offended in the video and tried to prove that he isn't a bad person.

@HELyasss 7 месяцев назад

I will say this about the squirrel gate: I always interpreted this as the father not being one for taking action or putting himself in harm’s way because he’s used to throwing money at his problems. While likely concerned for Varuca, he wasn’t brave enough to jump that little gate and face the dozens of trained squirrels.

@haileydurovick3846 7 месяцев назад

That’s the way I saw it as well!

@angelasnyder7209 7 месяцев назад

That's also the way I saw it. It even shows him hesitate to reach down the hole and grab her as he looks at everyone else searching for someone else to do it for him. I think it also demonstrates the parents who show their care and worry for their children on the outside but inside they would rather that someone else would do all that for them. There are just so many ways to interpret that scene which is why I loved that scene so much.

@jennymunday7913 7 месяцев назад

I thought Tiny Squirrel Gate showed how ineffective, cowardly and weak his character was. I've always thought it was really obvious too. XD

@kristinacoughlin1063 7 месяцев назад

But in the original he got sent down the golden Goose rotten egg hatch like varuca also.. so weird they showed him scared to help in the new film...

@logikitty2753 7 месяцев назад

@@kristinacoughlin1063 yep, as soon as original mr salt realized the garbage chute went to the furnace he didn't even hesitate to jump head-first down the hole with his daughter. slightly better father than burton's mr salt but he still sucks

@Bridget108p 7 месяцев назад

I think Grandpa Joe was mad depressed and Charlie was his only joy. So when Charlie got the last ticket it gave him something to live for, at least for a little bit.

@xxraptorsc0pezxx 7 месяцев назад

I really like this interpretation

@harpo345 7 месяцев назад

Maybe, but I never liked the 4 old people draining the family's resources and not even trying to help.

@harpo345 7 месяцев назад

@@skaervan I'm British. I would imagine that in a climate even harsher and further north than the one I'm used to, everyone was expected to pull their weight as far as possible.

@theguybehindyou4762 7 месяцев назад

@@harpo345 Me and my friends used to joke about it; Can't get off his ass until there's free candy. Made the movie funnier.

@susanivy3619 7 месяцев назад

But he never even seemed interested in the candy, just having Charlie win the golden ticket. Actually, he seemed to care more about his Grandson's happiness than anything else. To each his own interpretation...@@theguybehindyou4762

@jordanwilliams9300 4 месяца назад

The fact that Veruca's father is incapable and powerless to intervene for her is THE WHOLE POINT. Her father's character totally explains how Veruca got that way.

@NotLockedcolton 6 месяцев назад

He puts his nose in the air and smells the chocolate from the factory, I do the same thing when I walk past my local dispensary 💀😂 you earned a sub for that

@dmiller2036 5 месяцев назад

Used to be a giant Nabisco factory nearby, far enough to not smell it all the time and going by was always a treat. Now its closed, of course.

@user-zt1gl6px7i 5 месяцев назад

Bimbo Bread factory where I'm from 😊. Mmmmmmm....

@user-zt1gl6px7i 5 месяцев назад

I know right?😂

@fan24jt1088 4 месяца назад

@@user-zt1gl6px7isame! Not in my town but about 20 min away lol

@cheyennemoonmusic 2 месяца назад

Facts haha I liked it immediately after he said that😭

@GabyGibson 7 месяцев назад

23:23 Fun fact! In the Wilder version when he started singing, the actors actually had no idea that he was going to start singing. So their look of confusion and slight terror is real.

@Bombadillio 6 месяцев назад

That’s hilarious! Gene Wilder, what a gem. It’s one of my very favourite scenes

@AK-kl7pg 4 месяца назад

😂

@linkfiedproductions2246 3 месяца назад

I love the book, but I think the movie is way better because of the actors and of course the genuine feeling.

@robinthrush9672 2 дня назад

I thought it was just the room they never saw, not that they also didn't know about the next musical number.

@Travgrieder 7 месяцев назад

When I read the book as a child or watched the 1970’s version I never got the impression that Grandpa Joe was a scumbag, or deadbeat, but an older man suffering from bad depression from living a life of hardship and seeing 2 generations after him having to go through the same problems without any hope. And Charlie finding the golden ticket was what lifted him out of it.

@laststraw6734 7 месяцев назад

This is what I saw as well.

@kenirainseeker539 7 месяцев назад

That is likely the intended interpretation, it just doesn't really feel like that's the case in the movies, lol

@Travgrieder 7 месяцев назад

Maybe I interpreted it correctly as a child because I was growing up in similar circumstances minus the grandparents living with us.

@ankavoskuilen1725 7 месяцев назад

Grandpa just had no purpose in life anymore.

@hillaryrose562 7 месяцев назад

He totally bothered me. Even as a kid I saw him as being selfish.

@michaelcowanmichaelcowan969 6 месяцев назад

The "knife man" is not really strange, he's a "tinker" they were quite common in the previous century, particularly in Europe. They would sharpen and sell knives and fix items.

@crystallaws7050 3 месяца назад

Imagine having a man with a cart of knives knock on your door. And tinkers were considered some of the lowest of the classes of people thus the saying "I could give a tinkers cuss!" Meaning the lowest type of expression

@bonnieprater5124 2 месяца назад

It's not worth a Tinker's damn.

@michaelcowanmichaelcowan969 2 месяца назад

@@bonnieprater5124 exactly!

@kevykevryn 5 месяцев назад

33:50 I think Wonka tells Charlie that the button has never been pressed to add an element of wonder and curiosity for Charlie , rather than him never having used it before

@OurKindofEntertainment 7 месяцев назад

One look at the video length, and you already know Jon was cooking with this one 🍫

@mattriblet9611 7 месяцев назад

I saw it uploaded 45 seconds ago. And there was already one view. The worlds' amazing 🤩

@DickDiamond74 7 месяцев назад

I honestly did not even notice. Was cooking dinner then eating as it played and until I saw your comment I wouldn't have. That's how great a storyteller Jon is.

@AdamIshak01 7 месяцев назад

I didn’t even notice until this comment 😅

@TheDavebala 7 месяцев назад

The man cooked. 🔥 I didn't know a lot of these facts, even after being a fan of the first 2 movies. Looking forward to more meals. 😋

@gsmith5140 7 месяцев назад

Right! That peeked my interest as well.

@1derb0y 7 месяцев назад

There's that chapter in Charlie and the Chocolate Factory where Charlie exerts himself as little as possible because he realizes he (and his family) are starving to death. Seriously. I read that book when I was 10 and I had never read anything that disturbing before. It kind of blew my little mind.

@revolutionfrommahbed4246 7 месяцев назад

As a kid who grew up pretty poor - I identified with Charlie - but also used his level of poverty as a bit of a leveling metric for my own. Well at least I have something other than cabbage soup every night for dinner. We’ll at least my grandparents live in their own house etc 🤣

@adranmoses7445 7 месяцев назад

I agree totally

@Gomorragh 7 месяцев назад

it was this book that taught me dont waste food,

@samanthaclements5901 6 месяцев назад

My dad got this far and wouldnt read the rest of the book to me, because in his childhood he was under occupation in Guernsey and this was a little to real.

@codygames5415 3 месяца назад

I can relate.

@maryc4745 5 месяцев назад

This will always be my favorite book. I read it as a child and, when Charlie realized he had the Golden Ticket, my imagination exploded with pictures. I'll never forget that. I've been an avid reader my whole life as a result.

@RocketRcn947 2 месяца назад

I FULLY AGREE with what Jon Solo said about preserving the original version, rather than the edition that had their souls sucked out of them dry. I would rather have my child read esteemed award-winning books from an esteemed, but imperfect author, than rather an edition of his books that were manipulated and had the souls sucked out entirely. At scene 48:43!!

@Parasaurolophus476 7 месяцев назад

Fun fact, the reason that the guests reaction seems so genuine when they enter the chocolate room in the 1971 version is because it is. They didn't allow the actors to see the set until they were ready to film that shot. So, you are seeing their genuine reaction to seeing the set for the first time.

@GeneralLou 7 месяцев назад

That's not true, I was there

@HolyNamed 7 месяцев назад

Dang how old or you now? @@GeneralLou

@echo-hotel 7 месяцев назад

Same with the trip and roll in the beginning.

@Terahnee 7 месяцев назад

While this is widely thought, most have since come clean and said that they did peek 🙂

@jummajahdid9 7 месяцев назад

Whoa! Awesome trivia nugget! Thanks for sharing

@SeasideDetective2 7 месяцев назад

I love the social satire in the first half of the 1971 film, especially the cop show spoof about the woman who has to give up her Wonka bars to save her husband. Comedy is always at its funniest when you mix (somewhat) serious stuff in with it.

@bigtimetimmyjim6486 7 месяцев назад

As a kid, I found the first half of the movie to be boring, but as an adult, it is perhaps my favorite part; the woman who needs to give up her case of Wonka bars to save her husband, the scientist using the computer to find the location of a golden ticket (and failing), the auction, the classroom scenes, that guy from Paraguay who made the fake ticket, all great. EDIT: I forgot that guy on the therapist's coach being pressured by his counselor to reveal where he found the golden ticket in his dream LOL.

@winterlynn9012 6 месяцев назад

@@bigtimetimmyjim6486 Same, I found a lot of the beginning of the 71 version boring as a kid, and being so young, most of the jokes between the adults flew over my head, lol. I do remember thinking that nearly every single adult in the film (with the exception of Charlie's family) were unnecessarily mean, but as an adult I realized that is intentional and now the first half is probably my favorite. The scene with the scientist and his computer cracks me up especially when he angrily says "I'm now telling the machine exactly what it can do with a golden ticket!! " or something along those lines lol

@EffingLUCK 6 месяцев назад

The intentions behind the publication/production of this book/movie is far deeper than most people realize

@seans602 6 месяцев назад

Worth a mention. Though Deep Roy was born in Nairobi, he is of Indian descent and British nationality.

@bigtimetimmyjim6486 7 месяцев назад

To be fair, Wonka doesn't screw Charlie out of the prize at the end; he clearly violated the terms of the contract by drinking fizzy lifting drinks, a mistake very similar to that committed by the other 4 kids. He does deserve the prize at the end as a result of not being vindictive over the disqualification and surrendering the gobstopper, but it only serves to affirm a part of his character that was called into question by his earlier actions.

@MayberryMafia 6 месяцев назад

Preach

@allend5399 6 месяцев назад

Needing a girlfriend huh timbo

@loke6664 6 месяцев назад

It was a bit of an odd decision though. The movie was made to promote sales of chocolate and the script isn't perfect. It was really the music and Gene Wilder's whimsical performance that turned a movie that flopped at the box office into a cult classic. The script have issues and the budget was really low even for the time (in today's money it cost 20 million dollars). But it is a musical with great music, no one can take that from it. Burton's movie is a lot closer to the book though (but Depp's weird style and somewhat strange performance doesn't exactly help it).

@stacyadair371 6 месяцев назад

And that's the younger generations version of reality. 🤦‍♀️

@bigtimetimmyjim6486 6 месяцев назад

@@allend5399 My last two girlfriends were a librarian and an English teacher, if anything they made me more of a media analyst. 🤣

@wombatburrito5896 7 месяцев назад

The performance wilder gives in the tunnel is absolutely unforgettable.

@CodeguruX 7 месяцев назад

@@sepulchral. Was it? I mostly saw it as a fun change up to things and then they show "the bad guy" and call him out. I mean, they're just bugs. And if you didn't know nature was all about things killing other things by the time you were sentient, that seems more disturbing.

@jake12466 7 месяцев назад

@@sepulchral. *you're

@jhnnyboy100 6 месяцев назад

" I do the same thing, when I'm passing by my local dispensary" 😂

@benashcroft4104 5 месяцев назад

Main thing I remember from reading these books as a kid is that the sequels are even more of a fever dream than the first one. Part of me still thinks I made up Charlie and the Great Glass Elevator

@Nothing_is_real 6 месяцев назад

Also notice how each time a kid goes missing, theres only enough room on the ship for those who remain, meaning wonka knew when a character would disappear.

@LuLuBell 6 месяцев назад

Wow.. I never actually thought about that . How funny!.. lol

@simlover00 6 месяцев назад

Yeah the whole thing was planned from the beginning. I saw the video matpat did and it makes so much more sense now.

@cobb79 5 месяцев назад

he knew they would dissapear b/c he took them to rooms that catered to their specific vices. he told Charlie that he was just lucky to be there lol.

@gunneranders4087 5 месяцев назад

Each room was set up in the original movie for each kid. Slugworth was the culprit to send them to the after life as willy Wonka is a bad wizard or he's the devil. The kids had gobstoppers before being on the boat which was their token to be ferried over to purgatory and work your way outta pandoras box. You can't go back to get out you have to move forward and the oopma loompas are little demons in disguise and when you die their they sing in sync so you're in hell.

@gorjus_007 5 месяцев назад

Every room was made to test each individual to see how Evil they REALLY were lol

@jessigirlrae1688 6 месяцев назад

As someone with major mobility issues due to an injury, i can relate to grandpa. We went on a cruise last year, and although painful, I was much more active fueled by excitement

@TheAntiDisneyEmperor 4 месяца назад

Glad you had a good time even with a injury

@StixFerryMan 6 месяцев назад

As a child, watching Willy Wonka, the scene with Grandpa Joe jumping out of bed, was never anything but him making a sudden and miraculous recovery because of his excitement and joy for Charlie. I don’t think I ever heard about the theory that he was faking his invalidity.

@BerryBerry1465 5 месяцев назад

Righto. It's just a story.❤

@StixFerryMan 5 месяцев назад

@@BerryBerry1465 sorry my comment offended you

@BerryBerry1465 5 месяцев назад

@@StixFerryMan No worries. I wasn't offended. Actually, I agree with you and never made it out to be anything but excitement or perhaps a magical thing that happened in a fictional story.

@Dolsey1 5 месяцев назад

Did we forget the 1971 version? Joe didn't want to get out of bed. Joe didn't want to go to the factory. Charlie pulled Joe's legs out and made him get up.

@drwhoeric 7 месяцев назад

Two interesting facts about Gene Wilder's acting. It was his idea to walk limping with the cane up to the gate and to fall forward and flip to the gate. Several lines Gene Wilder said in the movie were out of impulse at the time, namely "Candy is Dandy, but Liquor is Quicker."

@interestings7866 6 месяцев назад

Yes we know

@lynninpain 6 месяцев назад

@@interestings7866 I didn't know, but it sounds like something he would do. Gene Wilder was amazingly talented and funny. Young Frankenstein is my favorite comedy, and therefore one of my favorite films. I saw the Wonka film as a child and frankly I found parts of it frightening, especially the boat ride, buy also the unpredictability of the Wonka character. Think it has to do with my childhood that set off warning bells "unsafe/unreliable adult". I also did not fully understand that some of the punished children weren't dead. I'm an HSP though, highly sensitive personality.

@dylanfooler 6 месяцев назад

@@lynninpainThe walking with a limp/falling bit was actually Wilder wanting to show Wonka As untrustworthy, as his first appearance is one of deceit but played for laughs, I Loved his Wonka a lot

@stevenmiller3285 6 месяцев назад

Wilder's Wonka compares to Heath Ledger's Joker imho. Both great performances and a bit psycho. Lol.

@PlayshotKalo 6 месяцев назад

Candy is dandy, but liquor is quicker.” is legendary

@Cornflake11 7 месяцев назад

I grew up reading Dahls books. I dont think I’d have the crazy wide imagination i have if it wasn’t for him. Definitely played a huge role in my childhood.

@kingemerald4622 7 месяцев назад

The videos bs

@silencedlamb__ 7 месяцев назад

Yea same this video is very much bs

@kingemerald4622 7 месяцев назад

@silencedlamb__ The thumbnail lets you believe that the story is more messed up than it is, which isn't the case. so I am right in my assumption if that makes sense

@kingemerald4622 7 месяцев назад

@silencedlamb__ But overall, the videos clickbait

@yehoshuabedziner2314 6 месяцев назад

I love the replacement of "acto" with "****". You hit the nail on the head. Also while i enjoyed the movies that already cane out i would love to see a movie version of the original story

@johnroy9654 5 месяцев назад

The gobstobbers in the Wilder version were made of WOOD.

@eaglescout1984 7 месяцев назад

I actually like the idea of the "honesty test" added to give Charlie a little more protagonist feel. When faced with the choice of getting his family some much needed money in a dishonest way or doing the right thing to continue living in poverty, he chooses the right thing, a huge character moment and one thay cements Charlie as the undeniable hero of the story.

@revengenerd1 7 месяцев назад

The problem I had with it, is that in the book it said he didn't let anyone into the factory after he reopened it, so to have someone work for him and go outside broke that idea, how did he know this person was loyal?

@arcticfox5118 6 месяцев назад

@revengenerd1 i always interpreted it as either a very close friend or someone who came along later and PROVED his loyalty somehow. But you aint wrong either

@buyy78 6 месяцев назад

Especially since his act of honesty was immediately after being told he lost and would be receiving no reward. Nothing material would be gained from that act, which Wonka recognized as Charlie's true nature. Hence the 180.

@aubryellaotero1064 7 месяцев назад

There’s a short series on Netflix that depicts four of Dahl’s short stories directed by Wes Anderson and it’s beautiful but also definitely highlights how weird some of Dahl’s works could be

@vivianthegeek 7 месяцев назад

I loved these shorts. I grew up reading the swan about a million times and seeing it be put on a screen as such a faithful adaptation was amazing. The final shot, though not book-accurate, was haunting

@PariahQuail 7 месяцев назад

Honestly… Wes Anderson is the perfect director for Dahl’s stories. They’re both weird in exactly the same way. I bet Dahl would have LOVED Wes.

@markbills4122 7 месяцев назад

Please state the name of the series.....

@PariahQuail 7 месяцев назад

@@markbills4122 they are offered as individual shorts so are not grouped as usual.. but the stories featured are Poison, the Swan, the wonderful story of Henry Sugar, and The Rat Catcher

@Username_-yf2zw 7 месяцев назад

@@PariahQuailagreed and to me I think Tim Burton did a good job for Charlie and the chocolate factory but Wes Anderson was great for fantastic Mr fox.

@SwizzlesMum 6 месяцев назад

Simple answer to the oompa loompas colours. 1970s bud, Everything was orange, green and brown for some reason

@SwizzlesMum 6 месяцев назад

BTW, hate to be that guy, but the boat visuals is a millipede, not a centipede. The more you know :)

@aces553 Месяц назад

Too true 😂

@johnroy9654 5 месяцев назад

At 7:41 the boy in the red shirt in the Gene Wilder version is Peter Stuart, son of director Mel Stuart. The charracter the boy portrays is named Winkleman. In the 2023 Wonka, an actress named Sophie Winklemann portrays the Countess. What a coincidence!

@stoneysscapes7544 6 месяцев назад

Nothing was more magical to me than Gene Wilder and being born in 1971 I don't know how many times I sat in front of the TV year after year glued to the most unique movie I've ever seen !

@dmiller2036 5 месяцев назад

Gene Wilder played some of the most memorable characters. I loved the Frisco Kid especially.

@Crashed2023 7 месяцев назад

For me, Gene Wilder absolutely smashes his performance. As a child I totally believed he was really Willy Wonka!

@KK-eg3em 7 месяцев назад

I remember the first time I saw a Wonka bar in the store. I told my mom, "See! He is real!"

@crystinamarie1 7 месяцев назад

I love his opening scene when he pretends to need a cane and falls over to say hello to the crowd. Never gets old. RIP Gene ❤

@dj_aj908 7 месяцев назад

@@crystinamarie1he came up with the idea and apparently it was so important it became a condition of him accepting the role.

@crystinamarie1 7 месяцев назад

@@dj_aj908 it's so iconic.

@ZillMob 7 месяцев назад

Probably cause he was

@angelaricks5379 4 месяца назад

Absolutely nothing is stopping a parent from pre-reading a book and highlighting the parts they don't like.

@DblTap317 Месяц назад

They cut the orgy scene in the oompa loompa living quarters. The character who played grandpa had a change of heart and didnt want it in.

@dees3179 6 месяцев назад

You are absolutely correct to raise the subject of the anonymous sensitivity readers. It did not go down well at all in the U.K. either. My personal opinion has always been that you can’t learn from history if you hide it under the rug. Pretending anything didn’t happen won’t help anyone. This editing is a good example.

@RogueXV 6 месяцев назад

I wouldn't consider this a good example of hiding history. Because there isn't anything wrong with these books to hide in the first place. Its just woke, outrage, cancel culture needing something to be upset about.

@Tea_laBlue 5 месяцев назад

I can’t believe that they erased all of this stuff about it. Like, we all know that Augustus Gloop is fat. I always figured it was part of the fact that he was super greedy. Are they all supposed to look exactly the same?

@mrt2this607 4 месяца назад

Too concerned with "saftey" and not Liberty. Therefore your Rights get taken away. Hanging on by threads these days, destroying history and replacing it with lies for people who have serious problems with reality.

@barttheraven 7 месяцев назад

Oompa Loompas are orange and green because Mel Stuart improvised it on the spot when asked to change their skin color. He mentioned this in his book called Pure Imagination.

@KasumiKenshirou 7 месяцев назад

So this decision was made before Dahl had changed them in the book? If so, that would explain the difference between the movie and the revised version.

@barttheraven 7 месяцев назад

@@KasumiKenshirou yes

@coldbluesomething 5 месяцев назад

You’ll understand the three foot gate when you’re older.

@blkmrkt2035 22 дня назад

The dispensary comment made me giggle so hard, didn't know Jon Solo was chill like that!!!

@marklechman2225 7 месяцев назад

There's nothing wrong with exploring the book's original depiction of the Loompas. These are exactly the conversations that we need to have instead of pretending events never happened.

@waldowaldoson4908 7 месяцев назад

I have a second print of the book and seeing the drawings of the original loompas is like whhaaattt.

@RichardmpayiTnway 7 месяцев назад

Ofcours a white man would say that

@Fiona2254 7 месяцев назад

Exactly. Context and understanding that things have changed for the better.

@bluex217 7 месяцев назад

I feel like most black ppl would be the first to find it funny

@hioehjgojiwhgfi 7 месяцев назад

Soooooooo people were upset because they were black, he makes them white and the seething stops. Interesting, so we're dwarves, cavemen, leprechauns AND oompa loompas and don't complain. You're right, we shouldn't pretend this doesn't happen.

@anyascales4302 7 месяцев назад

I think the fact that the father did not make an effort to rescue his daughter even though there was a small barrier was a fitting metaphor. Because when you have money and resources and only offer your child money and resources doesn’t take any effort. But adjusting your life to put your child/ family first is a huge adjustment. So the fact that he did not make any effort to save her is fitting for the amount of effort he made to raise her. I think the kids and their bad behavior was also reflected in how they were raised. So both parents and children needed to make adjustments

@SFgamer 7 месяцев назад

" the kids and their bad behavior was also reflected in how they were raised" Some people are the productive of their environment and upbringing.

@lollybowser 7 месяцев назад

I was think the same thing. His solution to everything in life is to toss money at it and in this one situation where he needs to take real action to save his daughter, he's completely stumped

@karaamundson3964 6 месяцев назад

...and then he tumbled in after her, because he had no other resources to "spend"

@hughmungus431 6 месяцев назад

Ya, nah, it takes a fuckload of effort to make the money that gives the child a good life. This is just mindless Father shaming and mother coddling.

@lollybowser 6 месяцев назад

@@hughmungus431Father shaming??? Mother coddling??? Where??? ALL parents in this film (safe for Charlie's) are shown to be bad and the reason their children are narcissistic selfish pricks. There is no gender divide.

@boardasf699 6 месяцев назад

I love the 2005 version, the acting, the atmosphere is amazing, didn't know people hated it

@hatesBarney4life 6 месяцев назад

I can see what the sensitivity readers were being cautious of in their revisions, but I would personally view a page at the beginning or end explaining why those lines could be insensitive then parents or children can decide if they want to read it or if they want to skip it. I think that would be a happy medium of keeping the original work but also acknowledging how it may inadvertently cause harm currently

@LGBTQPEACE- 7 месяцев назад

I have a theory/opinion about Grandpa Joe. I believe it's a mixture of depression and Munchausen. Think about it the depression comes from losing his beloved job and the Munchausen comes from his family constantly telling him he is to old and fragile to get out of bed..everyone but Charlie that is. When Charlie finds the golden ticket 2 things happen Charlie the one person that doesn't make Joe feel old and fragile wants him to go and 2 he wants him to go visit the one place aka old job that brought grandpa Joe happiness..to me it makes sense that he was able to get out of bed atm ..but that's just me🤷🏽‍♀️

@tabby5228 7 месяцев назад

Honestly that’s not a bad theory.

@tamarasmith9060 7 месяцев назад

Not a bad theory, true, but this is a book meant for young kids, not teens, & the likelihood they know anything about those mental conditions is so tiny. So it would be really hard for them to get that analogy.

@LGBTQPEACE- 7 месяцев назад

@tamarasmith9060 it's mostly adults that are upset that Joe was "faking" so the theory is in reference to that

@kenyett7 7 месяцев назад

@@tamarasmith9060except kids have depression as well... I did

@Qrtuop 7 месяцев назад

They were in bed to save energy. That used to be common practice in times of hunger.

@sabrinaloizides-merideth9874 7 месяцев назад

I'm actually excited to see this movie version because I am a huge fan of Paul King, the writer/director. He wrote and directed both paddington films which, while not straight adaptations, kept the spirit and intent of the author and the characters were lovingly represented in the films. I hope that King has done the same thing for Willy Wonka that he did for Paddington. The Paddington films remain, in my opinion, some of the best family films ever made.

@iwasanangryyoungman 7 месяцев назад

Also like to see how Wonka’s rivals - Fickelgrüber, Prodnose and Slugworth - are going to be portrayed

@alancrandall9686 6 месяцев назад

Dahl was my favorite author as a kid. His stories, like Matilda, BFG, The Twits, George’s Marvelous Medicine, and others encouraged me to love reading, and they will always be special to me. Thank you for an entertaining and informed video!

@carlstieren5437 5 месяцев назад

well said about changing things the notion we want to erase the idea that we were once wrong erases the idea that we have moved forward it also provides us with that teaching moment.

@DrRumsmuggler 7 месяцев назад

Gene Wilder was so good. His subtle humor was truly unmatched. One of my favorite actors of all time.

@norafox2803 7 месяцев назад

I love how in the old movie, the abandoned factory had this creepy vibe. Every abandoned building/factory with smoke stacks I see still makes me think of Wonka's factory

@emulatorretro 7 месяцев назад

and I thought it was just me.

@Chlocean 6 месяцев назад

Wait I'm not sure a bustling factory with hundreds of workers and a crazy inventor living inside qualifies as "abandoned". Still I know what you mean, it looks desolate from the outside.

@johnroy9654 5 месяцев назад

Burton spent 5 months just training squirrels. The entire Wilder versiion was made in 3 months.

@captainthorrek262 15 дней назад

Favorite line out of any of the movies: "It says: WHAT WOULD A COMPUTER DO WITH A LIFETIME SUPPLY OF CHOCOLATE? I'm now telling the computer EXACTLY what it can do with a lifetime supply of chocolate!"

@spudhead169 7 месяцев назад

We know the book is set in the UK. The reason is because of the coin Charlie finds that allows him to buy the chocolate bars that contain the golden ticket. The book clearly states that this coin was a 50p piece. That places the story squarely in the UK.

@lucasoheyze4597 6 месяцев назад

I think the book was written before decimalisation so that's probably a later edit.

@spudhead169 5 месяцев назад

@@lucasoheyze4597 Possibly but there's also the matter of the change he got, all British coins. The shop keeper saying he'll get a "Stomach Ache" if he ate it so fast. That's a very British thing to say. The fact Dahl was a resident of the UK means he'd naturally place the story there. If they edited it to post-decimalization British coin names, then the previous pre-decimalization coin names would have still been British so the editing is actually irrelevant. In the sequel, where the US President asks what aliens eat, his aid says "Mars Bars", a confection that would have been unknown in the US again demonstrating that Dahl's mind was firmly rooted in Britain even when writing about another country. The illustrations in the sequel clearly show an outline of the British Isles when the Great Glass Elevator is zooming into space from the factory. I could go on and on, but there are literally dozens of things that Dahl wrote and publishers included that categorically place the story in the UK.

@evanrosman9226 7 месяцев назад

"It's all there, black and white, clear as crystal! You stole fizzy lifting drinks. You bumped into the ceiling which now has to be washed, and sterilized, so you get nothing! You lose! Good day sir!"

@greenmoon8432 Месяц назад

I said Good day sir……😂

@user-qg5wg9ut2o 5 месяцев назад

I'm so happy to have found your videos again. I've always enjoyed your edgy storytelling. Keep up the Awesome work 😊

@SilverDreamer62 6 месяцев назад

I read the "old school" version 6+ times as a child. There was never anything to compare it with or that surpassed it! I learbed how hysterically funny and clever you could make rhymes by reading the oompa loompa songs again and again. Grade school kids are both kind hearted heros and monsters, and Dahl revealed this to CHILDREN, who were already experiencing this in thier daily lives.

@thomasmacdiarmid8251 7 месяцев назад

To me, the broad sweep of the different endings reflect the time and culture of each. In the book, written in welfare-state Britain, the highest virtue was doing as you were told, and so Charlie wins by never stepping out of line. In the USA of the 60s-70s, the highest virtue was to treat others honestly, and so Charlie won by refusing to betray Wonka. By the Burton version, society's focus was on resolving emotional issues, so Charlie wins by helping Wonka resolve his own twisted psyche.

@Nettsinthewoods 6 месяцев назад

Interesting point of view and I agree.

@shelbysittig1047 6 месяцев назад

Good point.

@alwaysxnever 6 месяцев назад

Perfectly stated. I agree with this.

@aelobalthrop1413 6 месяцев назад

Very accurate

@daveholly9005 6 месяцев назад

I wouldn't stay the value was doing as you where told as such. Just having standards of behaviour.

@pepijn23 3 месяца назад

37:52 This part of the story just sounds like something out of Five Nights At Freddy’s. In fact it’s like the fates of Elizabeth and William Afton.

@MiniBrick1 5 месяцев назад

7:12 I read the book and when I heard that I was like "wait,I don't remember that happening?"

@thorenshammer 7 месяцев назад

Being 62 years old, I did grow up with all of Dhal's stories and found them delightful. Your overview was spot-on with Charlie, as I had read the book well before the first movie came out. Your conclusions about both movies are accurate also, excellent job. Thank you.

@Daneelfan 7 месяцев назад

Yet you can't spell his name.

@alzychoze6591 7 месяцев назад

Oh spelling Dahl I still loved his equivocal works where things were not ok- was disappointed by the 1974 version and haven’t bothered with the 2005. The story is problematic in any case

@chuckschillingvideos 7 месяцев назад

I love both movies. I say that with no "buts" and no irony. I think they're just two different takes on a classic, created at different times and with different sets of tools available to each director. I know a lot of people feel the need to rank one over the other, but I don't. They're just different, is all.

@cintheciege 7 месяцев назад

Completely agree.

@chloiephillips1905 6 месяцев назад

Completely agree

@skalet66a 6 месяцев назад

Agreed!

@alphabloodpaw3233 6 месяцев назад

Same.

@elmayberry6467 Месяц назад

Charlie and the Chocolate Factory was my hands down favorite book as a child. As a black child I never once gave the original portrayal of the Ompa Loompas a second thought.

@BeaAdelineManlangit 3 месяца назад

They are afraid to offend kids but not the author who asked to never change his books. I would love to see the book version,thanks Jon!

@jsimpers 7 месяцев назад

I always liked the books and the first movie, but always wished that they had done a film of the second book, Charlie and the Great Glass Elevator. A lot more action, going into outer space and back to the factory, and even more rooms that hadn't been discussed before.

@jakalope-sg8pu 7 месяцев назад

I'd like to see that too

@ghostly0005 7 месяцев назад

Sadly Dahl hated the 71 version and then forbid The Great Glass Elevator from ever having an adaptation

@stopwatchstudios9622 7 месяцев назад

@@ghostly0005damn it Dahl. The film wasn’t even that different from the book if he saw the Time Burton version he would be praising the 71 classic

@gannazalevska1443 7 месяцев назад

I guess he would prefer the Tim Burton version.

@melissacooper8724 7 месяцев назад

I wish Dahl wouldn't have prevented the sequel The Great Glass Elevator from being made into a movie.

@kimcaie46 7 месяцев назад

Are you kidding me, Grandpa Joe makes the entire movie what it is, he's the one that gives Charlie the sense he can be somebody in this world. And that he deserves what everyone else deserves and he is worthy just like everybody.

@DreamseedVR 7 месяцев назад

But he also leached off his daughter, spending decades in bed when he in fact could walk

@jamescarter3196 7 месяцев назад

"makes the entire movie what it is"-- no, that's just ridiculous. It's fine to appreciate him as a character but don't bother doing the thing where you pretend to be smart by citing some side detail and pretending like it's the most-important thing in the work. He's a supporting character, not somebody driving the story.

@Dr.Twat.Waffle 7 месяцев назад

fr. i never got the sense he was anything but that - people who assume anything nasty and negative about characters, especially when it comes to things they dont understand like disability & old age

@Dr.Twat.Waffle 7 месяцев назад

he's a major character. he is absolutely very important - just because you dont see him as such, doesnt make it so. @@jamescarter3196

@dewaarheidiserghard789 7 месяцев назад

@@jamescarter3196 Quite ironic given that you're the one trying to sound smart here...

@sydneyslaughter7163 21 день назад

In the Burton version, it seemed to me that Grandpa Joe was miraculously cured by his excitement for Charlie winning the golden ticket. He loved working for Wonka, he’d been doing it for decades and his greatest wish was to see the factory one last time before he died. So when Charlie came in and showed Grandpa Joe personally that he had the opportunity to do just that, it gave him a burst of adrenaline.

@uncledoctor6920 4 месяца назад

Deep Roy killed his role so hard that Tim Burton doubled his pay at the end of production

@sadc7877 7 месяцев назад

im so highly against "editing" books... no matter how "bad" ppl may think it is, its history in a way and they are changing it. to me thats just wrong

@Kallisto.0 7 месяцев назад

Fun fact: The foam used to spurt out in the “Wonka Wash” scene was poisonous. It was made from basic fire extinguishers and was a potent skin irritant, so after shooting the scene, the actors’ skin puffed up and reportedly required several days off set to receive medical treatment and recover.

@PlayshotKalo 6 месяцев назад

Sounds like the 1970s..

@Kimariyan 6 месяцев назад

😲😲😲

@Firepuma27 6 месяцев назад

Fire extinguisher foam was also used to make snow in It's a Wonderful life in 1946 albeit mixed with soap flakes and sugar. It replaced the cornflake and asbestos method of snow making until the later half of the 20th century.

@laurastabell2489 6 месяцев назад

Thats PFOA or PFAS. Great fact. Wish they figured out then how bad it is for health! Its now in every body and more falling in the rain. It causes cytokine storms, like what killed people during covid, and other immune system hyper-reactivity reactions. Its absorbed and dosent leave the body so builds up and is a multi system toxin. Now shown to attach to DNA and weaken it. The tin man in the OZ movies suffered permanently from fine ground aluminum paste makeup . - Yet we bake goods with aluminum baking soda! I think it damaged his kidneys when the metal was absorbed through his skin. Kidneys are tasked with removing toxins along with the liver so are the first damaged. Heart and brain are toxin sensitive too. One study showed immediate neurofibulary tangles in the brain of rabbits when aluminum was injected- but we still use foil on food. You can buy metal coated balls to decorate cakes etc... Inflammation reactions are what people actually die from so we should watch for inflammatory effects and avoid anything causing it.

@michaelschmitt3015 6 месяцев назад

Asbestos was used as snow in "The Wizard of Oz"

@trumpetmasta92 2 месяца назад

In my own version, grandpa Joe ate some of the chocolate bar and the rush of nutrition that he was missing out on gave him the energy to go with Charlie.

@RocketRcn947 2 месяца назад

Willy Wonka in both the book and both film adaptations, Felicity Dahl, widow wife of Roald Dahl, stated that Willy Wonka was testing both Charlie and the kids while on the tour. Which means that every time the group entered into a new room, Mr. Wonka refused to leave-not until the child fell for the trap and learned the lesson. Such as when the great, big pink dragon-styled open (Viking ship of old) row boat, there was only enough room for the few remaining children that were left in the group. Meaning that Mr. Willy Wonka KNEW that Augustus Gloop would’ve been left in the Chocolate Room, after telling under temptations to the nervously chocolate river-which resulted in him in scooping handfuls of melted chocolate into his mouth and fell into the river. And ended up getting sucked up into one of the glass pipes.

@goddessvibes6913 7 месяцев назад

The infamous Mr. Dahl has been a great influence in my life. Growing up on his original work sparked my enthusiasm for reading as a child, he made me an author. First, growing up as a little brown girl, in an all brown school, we all knew that Rahl Dahl rewrote the Oompa Loompas to refrain from depicting Africans in slavery. We didn’t care because we knew who we were. Sensitivity groups are the reason the world is upside down, now. Mr. Dahl showed us the real world and helped many of us hold on to our imagination, which is the key to the reason why many adults don’t succeed. As a writer, I can attest to the fact that it’s hard to share your creativity with a world that’s so judgmental and half as talented. Mr. Dahl made me loud, righteous and brave in a world that’s meant to be scary, but if you grow up reading the books we had in the 90’s, nothing would scare you. Shout out Mrs. Judy Blume as well 🙌🏾

@7000fps 7 месяцев назад

YES, that is true what you say--"Sensitivity groups are the reason the world is upside down, now" added to that is the modern media complex that PROFITS from all the drummed up chaos!

@Nocturnal_Fae 7 месяцев назад

Absolutely well said! :)

@IlBiggo 7 месяцев назад

The first thing I thought when I heard of the forced rewriting of the book was "oh, so there already were -woke idiots- **cough** _Sensitivity groups_ around at the time".

@lew115 7 месяцев назад

Shame Dahl himself was an anti-semite/racist.....

@madadhdbrain 7 месяцев назад

You got that right. My mother was a genealogist and historian for a small town in Upstate NY and when she spoke about the Underground Railroad she was ridiculed for being a white woman "teaching blacks about black history" as a sensitivity group put it. Funny thing about the offended sensitivity group...they were all white and the people who showed up to hear her talk were all black, and they were confused about how it was offensive.

@user-gu1jk4qn6b 6 месяцев назад

I took my baby brother to this movie in 1971. I was 14, he was 5. I was so bored I could barely stand it. Our parents never would have taken me to a movie like this, and I never understood the children's movie genre, but my brother, 58, now, I hope remembers.

@BellaZ209 6 месяцев назад

You sound like a miserable older sibling to have smh lol

@hattylaird9756 5 месяцев назад

I'm really late here, but i loved wonka. I watched it in theaters with my husband and then with my child (5). It was so whimiscal and silly. Seriously a top runner for favourite silly movies.

@brandonanderson3569 23 часа назад

I was still pretty young when the Depp version came out and was also a fan of Star Wars, which is why my personal head-canon is still that Dooku took a Sithy sabbatical where he took up dentistry and fathered Wanka before realizing a normal life wasn't for him and went to get milk. Blue milk, from a bantha farm far, far away.

@savagegardenrox 7 месяцев назад

Gene Wilder's Willy Wonka feels so much more comforting and believably fond of children. It just feels like a hug. Depp's Wonka feels alien and cold.

@Sofia-lx8ex 7 месяцев назад

Really? I always felt they were both mentally unstable 😅

@Qrtuop 7 месяцев назад

They both seem like creepy pedos, that's what a guy like that in real life would be

@SuperPrettyPink101 7 месяцев назад

I think we watched different movies, because Gene's Wonka always seemed like he'd have zero problems with child murder. Depp's Wonka was kind of the same but with a touch of confusion like he'd also never actually seen a child in real life before.

@herowither12354 7 месяцев назад

Well.. the reason Depp's Wonka is so weird and socially inept.. is because that's how Wonka is.

@AkameGaKillfan777 7 месяцев назад

Lmao that's not true about him at all. Someone who nonchalantly jokes about children possibly dying is NOT a caring person

@Wolfdog2416 7 месяцев назад

The Tim Burton version will always be my favorite. I’m actually surprised at how much more accurate it is to the book.

@CocoBoo_Anti-Oblivious 7 месяцев назад

Same! It's not only the best version but my favorite movie of all time!

@jadacampbell9331 7 месяцев назад

For starters, the title

@Allious131 7 месяцев назад

It was trash wilders version was way better.

@Wolfdog2416 7 месяцев назад

@@Allious131 Agree to disagree

@Allious131 7 месяцев назад

@@Wolfdog2416 And that is why it's called the world everyone is different.

@dondivadaboss7678 5 месяцев назад

I grew up on his books! I loved them. As for the movies the original Rtim Burton one is my favorite but I loved the craziness of the second one. I'm a fan all over. I appreciate your information! That gave me more insight on the book!

@angeldog15 Месяц назад

The London/Broadway musical version was DARK! The bad kids (except Mike) died!

@c182SkylaneRG 7 месяцев назад

My general characterization of all of the Roald Dahl stories is: They're horror stories for kids. The notion that they're all rooted in his own childhood trauma is fitting, but kinda sad.

@jimgillert20 6 месяцев назад

The thing in the 71 version that unnerved me as a 5 year old was the trauma of seeing a kid sucked into a pipe believing it was to his death.

@user-ty1qo3fu4q 6 месяцев назад

Grimms' Fairy Tales were also "horror stories for kids" but they also offered important lessons on life.

@jwheeler9991 6 месяцев назад

Read Boy and War, and you can see the threads for his stories

@robbsclassics 6 месяцев назад

Wait until you hear about Krampus.

@Lydianon 6 месяцев назад

James and the Giant Peach. Great story.

@RepDeanPhilips 6 месяцев назад

“Square Candy’s that look round” 😂 - God Tier Dad joke

@coolguy418 5 месяцев назад

I definitely recommend the prequal with chalamet. It's so good! Hugh Grant as the Oompa is perfect! Also great soundtrack in my opinion

@yukalue 12 дней назад

I always understood that the nut room was changed in the Wilder one because they didn't have A "CGI budget" you could call it to try and do the squirrels so they came up with what they could do with puppetry and practical effects

@ambersisemore2368 6 месяцев назад

I am 42 years old, and have loved Dahl since the first time i read his book, James and the Giant Peach, in 3rd grade. As soon as I had finished that book, I went in search of anything else he had written, leading me to Charlie and the Chocolate Factory. I now own every one of his books. I read each one to my husband while traveling with him when he was an over the road truck driver. His favorite is Danny Champion of the World. Dahls life story is one of his own amazing adventures! When i heard the news that they were to edit his work, i was completely heart broken. And I was thankful I already owned my own copies. My daughter grew up on these stories. It never fazed her in one small amount. She found them just as fun and entertaining as I did. And when I think of Dahl and his works, I only find joy. And really, I dont understand people who wanted to change his work. He meant no harm in his words, and they know that. But, for a little publicity, I guess people will say whatever they want to get attention.

@warwulf1889 7 месяцев назад

The angle of seven children could've been very interesting if Roald was going for seven deadly sin approach. Augustus: Gluttony, which caused him to overindulge early and put himself in harms way needlessly. Violet: Pride, due to over competitive behavior and dare devil streak, she went out of her way to try out the experimental gum despite Willy's warnings. Veruka: Greed, ever impulsive, and desiring more when she sees something flashy and amazing. And on the spot, she'll want it, even after being told no by a higher authority than her father. Mike: Sloth, For doing the least amount of notable things in any incarnation of the series. Not even actively trying to find the golden ticket, instead his parents just so happen to find a bar with a golden ticket in it. Being possibly one of the only two kids to genuinely luck out alongside Charlie. Only losing because of his addiction to electronic entertainment and the possibility of trying out Willy's machine on himself. The other two kids could've been Wrath, who's temperament and impatience could cost them their spot early on after Augustus. And Lust, who could serve as our big bad, and has every intention of making it out big by the end anyway by planning on giving their Gobstopper to Slugworth should they lose. But become distraught in the big reveal of Slugworth's true nature as Willy's secret employee and instead attempt an escape from the factory with their Gobstopper to sell to someone else. Only for chaos to ensue, and they get put in a precarious position where their life is in danger and only Charlie can save them. But they would have to choose between their life or the Gobstopper. And obviously, they choose to live, giving Charlie the win. Charlie: Envy, but not in the way you think. Charlie was the one who went in with essentially nothing and had everything to gain from this excursion. Knowing this, Charlie had to be tested for his true character to see if he was truly worthy of anything, as someone like Charlie could've been tempted by all manner of things that would allow him to rise above his station. But instead, Charlie rejects all temptations by sticking to his virtues and giving his Gobstopper back to Willy, proving his worthiness.

@glittergirljmm 7 месяцев назад

Then Charlie should have been the 8th child.

@user-sm3th7ow5w 7 месяцев назад

@@glittergirljmm reading comprehension isn't your strong suit is it?

@user-sm3th7ow5w 7 месяцев назад

That's an interesting proposition and would certainly work, once fleshed out. I'm focusing on the "character" of Charlie though. What builds a person's character, especially a young child? Their parents certainly have the most influence over them and they learn how to behave from their parents. So wouldn't your version really be a statement about parenting? All the parents, save Charlie's grandpa were just the worst types of people and their children were extensions of _them._ Certainly too difficult a subject for a children's story, but that theme could be subtly placed in the background for the adults in the audience to ponder while children giggle at Oompa Loompas and fantasize about eating Candy Land.

@glittergirljmm 7 месяцев назад

@@user-sm3th7ow5w Rude. If there are 7 sins, with a child to represent each sin; and Charlie is sinless, he would be the 8th child.

@glittergirljmm 7 месяцев назад

@@user-sm3th7ow5w Interesting. Especially considering that Charlie is with his grandfather and not his actual parents.

@ezde711 6 месяцев назад

I'm not defending it as good or bad, just wanted to say that the squirrel scene from burton's version made me think there was a deeper meaning. Like maybe, the dad always did whatever she wanted because he felt he had to, but sometimes would take the opportunity to stand aside and feign helplessness until she got what she really deserved. Or maybe, the absurdity of his inability to step over the gate, being just as absurd as the whole scene, is as much 4th wall breaking meta commentary as the oompa loompa's directly addressing the audience. I saw both possibilities in there and accepted the scene for how it was, no questions asked. I also accepted it because that's how it always had to be after knowing the fate of the other children and having seen the other movie as well. Which is another reason why it kind of felt meta. They could just do it that way and get away with it because: inverse plot armor, and they're throwing it in your face.

@user-wj2fs6gd4z 23 дня назад

I just love the scene where Mr gloop eats the microphone in the original

@cuauhtemocgonzales2530 7 месяцев назад

I can understand why Roald Dahl changed the Oompa Loompa's. He thought it was a bit of a mistake on his end and changed it up. But what the publishing company did was just messed up.

@jayscott4118 7 месяцев назад

Yeah there’s actually valid reasoning for Dahl changing the Oompa Loompa’s. But the publisher just got scared of offending anyone which I don’t get because I’ve never heard of anyone offended by the book. I’m sure they exist but not enough to pressure the publisher to make such changes. Doesn’t make much sense to me because if a kid reads the book he’ll likely want to see the movie anyway and will see how the characters are depicted appearance wise

@RosinaEmilyW 7 месяцев назад

⁠@@jayscott4118 I have a second edition of the book and it basically describes the Oompa Loompas as little black people who were found living in tribal situations and who are paid with cacao. It was a bit of a shock after having grown up with a 2005ish Quentin Blake illustrated version. Then again, their presentation was still likeable, but I could see why some people might have an issue. But it didn’t feel like it would encourage racism, since the Oompa Loompas are their own race of people and are quirky, friendly, and likeable. They just felt very Dahlian and fantastical, so there didn’t feel like there was a connection to reality. But those changes actually made them more interesting, so I’m fine with them. However, I don’t agree with the recent changes. ‘Fat’ for example, is a physical descriptor. I’m not really sure how you’re supposed to describe Augustus Gloop without using that word, since not only is it part of his character, but other words for ‘fat’ would probably be more offensive. And ‘white as a sheet’… that’s a metaphor with zero racial connection and which describes a bloodless appearance. When one of my friends, who is black, heard it, her reaction was “BS”. Things are far too touchy these days, to the point where it is rare to see heterosexual white (non-ginger) men and women in commercial product advertising unless it is a product for them, eg. blonde hair dye. You’ll still see a few, but not many. Representation is not a bad thing, but it should be accurate. While I don’t agree with the following view, there is a growing feeling amongst the young population that your future isn’t very good if you’re an average white male without a disability or being part of the LGBT+ community. That kind of thought is very scary for several reasons and should not be the case. The scariest part is that this thought is being encouraged on an industrial basis. I know of one government agency which requires a quiz as part of training. The answer to the question “what is equality?” was apparently giving minorities preferential treatment. That is discrimination. Equality is providing equal treatment to everyone regardless of any factors. Equity is what the aim should be, which is doing the equivalent of providing a child three boxes to stand on, a teen two boxes, and an adult one box because they only need one box to see over the same fence as the other two. It is scary that the government has actually started approving this kind of thing.

@nerysghemor5781 7 месяцев назад

Yeah, I think there's a difference when the author him/herself makes a change and when someone else forces it. Diane Duane did the same thing when a book she'd written about an autistic child pre-internet turned out to be way off-base as the perspectives of autistic people started showing up online: she went back and changed things to make them more accurate and respectful in light of the information she now had that she hadn't had when she first wrote her book. If someone else had forced it though, I wouldn't have liked the imposition.

@budsgamin 7 месяцев назад

@@RosinaEmilyWof course it’s offensive which is why they changed it… what encouraged that thought in 1960s be foreal 🤦🏽‍♂️ you’re more offended by Augustus choosing to be fat and saying that’s offensive something he can change but having Africans work for chocolate and having them think they were made of chocolate isn’t offensive 😂😂 joke

@-hisxshi-7495 7 месяцев назад

@@budsgamin Joker

@blazingarrows6117 6 месяцев назад

I always thought grandpa Joe's recovery was a miracle made for being happy for his grandson winning the ticket.

@kittylemew 5 месяцев назад

Informative and delightful presentation. Thank you for putting it together with such excellence!

@khatzeye 7 месяцев назад

I am a giant Malcolm in the middle fan so the fact that you used candy man from that episode Francis and his military brothers were singing it made my whole day because it’s my birthday and I was have a shitty day. This made me smile ear to ear ❤ thanks Mr Solo

@lovielove4243 7 месяцев назад

🎉HAPPY BIRTHDAY 🎉 here's some cake 🎂, got balloons 🎈, even found a clown look 🤡 cheer up, buttercup!

@khatzeye 7 месяцев назад

@lovielove4243 aww! Totally sweet! I appreciate you kind stranger 🥰

@Shayberaebaby 7 месяцев назад

Happy Birthday to you, I hope you continue to have a better day 🎂🎊🎊🎂

@michellecrocker2485 7 месяцев назад

I’m a little nervous for the prequel. I think to get a background story on an iconic character has the potential to either add to the mythos or ruin it

@DrDolan2000 7 месяцев назад

Hopefully add to it, then... But this is Hollywood, so probably not

@michellecrocker2485 7 месяцев назад

@@DrDolan2000 Hollywood being what it is…..just wants to capitalize on the popularity of the character. It was like with the Star Wars prequels. Darth Vader is iconic so they wanted to capitalize on that with his own backstory

@CocoBoo_Anti-Oblivious 7 месяцев назад

I personally think it'll ruin it. Willy Wonka isn't supposed to be "whimsical" in my opinion. I've seen so many deep dives on both movies and I've realized, the prequel is just continuing a story Roald Dahl didn't even want. And technically it's a sequel, cuz Charlie and the Chocolate Factory was a remake not the "second movie to the first one" if that makes since. I just don't know, I don't think I'll be impressed. Maybe if Tim Burton was the director🤷🏽‍♀️.

@AkameGaKillfan777 7 месяцев назад

Even the first movie, which is what the prequel is based off of despite being FAR less accurate to the book, has an origin story about the Oompa-Loompas that doesn't match up at all.

@JorgeHernandez-ut2ru 3 месяца назад

Jon you were so thorough in this vid. Loved the book, loved your dissection of the story. Hope literature withstands the sands time.

@spicesmiles 7 дней назад

I didn’t catch the notice about your trip to Greece until today. I’m really glad for you, Lauren, and everyone going ❣️🌈☀️🎉 I really, really look forward to catching your next ‘trippings’. 🎉

@androgyny77 7 месяцев назад

"They sent out the sensitivity readers to plant their flag in the moral high ground so everyone can see their virtue from far and wide" Oh, that was beautiful.

@charlesyoung7436 7 месяцев назад

You hit the nail on the head! That gang of anonymous "Insensitivity Censors" managed to deface a classic; just like Thomas Bowdler did with the works of Shakespeare in the early 19th Century.