The view from beyond spacetime [no music version] 

I have had experience of being that which is 'both of us' experiencing looking through one set of eyes. But lately I'm regularly struck by this without the direct experience, and it makes it difficult to continue conversation, I lose track in a sense of wonder and a kind of awe. Hmm, I guess mind is just trying to go where it can't? 'They', 'This' and 'We' are just so stunningly beautiful and mysterious and WEIRD!! It's hard to maintain a sense of meaning in communication, if feels strange like riding a wave going back and forth between realities. Oh, maybe there is no more answer to be had there? Just the empty wholeness in/containing it all. Gosh that feels weird though, uncomfortable, absolutely infinitesimal and huge at the same time, 'impossibly so'.

The light of science is not the same as the light that is actually seen. The light of physics ends its story at the point that it enters the eye, but then there is a delay before anything is seen. What is seen is always the light of consciousness. That is why in the dark, with the eyes closed, there can be dreams. So, consciousness is literally self-luminous. It has the nature of daylight, which lights up everything but is never itself seen directly. But you've probably heard all that before: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-qBiR5rhrg3I.html On the question about I and other that is back to the belief of subject object duality. There is no such duality. No separate subjects or objects.

@untangle-your-mind Thank you. I actually just yesterday evening had a beautiful clarity that's hard to put into words. I was struck through with a kind of FEELING of the mechanism of the duality belief doing its thing, and while it didn't fall away, I still FELT the non reality of if in a way that was kind of surprising to me. Like, wholeness was HERE, right here in THIS, in 'me', in consciousness. Such innocence!!!! It bends this mind, which is still trying to understand, bless it! Like.. the innocence of feeling like I am a thing apart! Oh, wow! Experience itself seems to prove subject and object, separation, duality! I seem to prove it.. but.. not two!! Not two!! Already! This moment.. this movement, the experience of choosing words, memory, attempts to conceptualise! So innocent. Feeling guilty, so innocent! This is so deeply weird, surreal, mundane. I tried for ages just now to find words, but I can't. Hmm. It's like everything is a mirror. I forget, am immersed in the familiar sense, and then am struck by.. being??, and everything is a mirror. And the mirror shows just this, and yet this a complete mystery. It's just here, and yet so huge I can't find any edges and it's like nothing and everything are present at the same time. And these words make it sound like something it isn't, they are so not the 'thing'. Somehow, this is not what I expected. Because.. already not two. Like, REALLY. Even in this state of unenlightenment, knowing there seems to be a more whole awareness than this, this is not it's own thing, with somewhere to go. And yet there seems to be a flow. In all the things, there is no other thing!

It is never itself seen directly. It is never itself seen directly. Oh, my God. This is huge somehow, but I can't see it. I know that's funny, but I can't grasp it deeply. It is never itself seen directly.

@untangle-your-mind yes, I have been listening to all the light talks on repeat, because the niggle is so strong. I can't seem to leave it alone, it's like a pressure building that needs release, so I listen. There is no duality. Self luminous. The nature of daylight, illuminating, not dual, so not seen directly. Oh, the innocence of the impossible struggle! So weird, being along for the ride and a green mountain walking.. everything containing its 'opposite'. Not two. Shhh, sleep! 🫠😉