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The View from Shore | Findings from the 1845 Franklin Expedition 

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How did the 1845 Franklin expedition fail? The discoveries of the wrecks of HMS Erebus and HMS Terror hold tremendous promise for achieving a better understanding of events that led to the fatal outcome of the Franklin northwest passage expedition. Dr. Douglas Stenton will discuss the on-going research and will highlight some of the key shoreline discoveries and results.
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28 дек 2021

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@diane9247
@diane9247 Год назад
I've been soaking up all of the RU-vid Franklin videos. This one is a great update and relatively recent. Thank you! Looking forward to more.
@Steve-cs8nd
@Steve-cs8nd Год назад
Get a hold of Dr Beatty’s book “Frozen in Time”. I read it in 1993 and it was a very good read being not just about the autopsies of the Stoker Torrington Hartnell and Braine but the history of the expedition as a whole which was the Moon shot of its era.
@isrulius
@isrulius 11 месяцев назад
I just wish there was more, its so limited.
@alistairclarke6726
@alistairclarke6726 Год назад
Been following this subject for decades.... Great presentation
@robsmithadventures1537
@robsmithadventures1537 10 месяцев назад
Fantastic video. Public libraries are such a valuable service to people.
@Steve-cs8nd
@Steve-cs8nd Год назад
What ruined their chances was going down the western side of Prince William Island ( erroneously thinking it was a peninsular joined at eastern side) because this doomed them to the McClintock Channel Ice flow that not only beset the ships but cracked even the Iron cased hulls causing them to founder in 1848 and stranding the entiring surviving expedition. The massive flow of Ice down the McClintock channel flowed South East and even today is a problem especially in bad years. Had they tried going behind the Island they would of discovered the passage AND made it to the Pacific!
@JackAShepherd
@JackAShepherd 6 месяцев назад
MANSPLAINING THE FRANKLIN EXPEDITION 😹😹😹
@peach5277
@peach5277 5 месяцев назад
​@@JackAShepherdwhat a nob
@annehaight9963
@annehaight9963 Год назад
<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="900">15:00</a> my interpretation of what happened at this site is that the remains are inuit, and the inuit discovered the cairn that had been put over them by people who thought they were from the Franklin expedition. I can speculate that the inuit found this offensive and dismantled the cairn and removed the remains to be placed somewhere else where the bones would not be disturbed again.
@moncrayon
@moncrayon 9 месяцев назад
Except for the fact that we can distinguish between European and indigenous skeletons based on the teeth.
@georgewaite2952
@georgewaite2952 9 месяцев назад
When the men left the ships in April,1848, they headed south. It was croziers and Fitzsimmons decision to make it to the Back Fish River by walking out. They were dragging the boats on sleds and some provisions. It was very hard for the crews. They wore wool clothing. Malnutrition had set in . Their gums were bleeding. Cannabilism had occurred. They sweated a lot dragging the boats. The elements of the weather was difficult. The men died on their way south. As they became weak and tired, they succumbed to their deaths. Just a terrible expedition that went bad.
@richardmalcolm1457
@richardmalcolm1457 Год назад
This is a terrific summary, Dr Stenton! One very tiny caveat: Can we really call Crozier's short postscript to the Victory Point Note ("And start on tomorrow 26th for Backs Fish River") a blueprint for Crozier's escape plan? The postscript gives no reason *why* they were going to Back's River, what they would do there, or where they might go afterward, after all. Might we consider David Woodman's theory that, a trip to any HBC outpost being far too arduous to be remotely within the Franklin men's capability, that the Back's River journey was only intended as an extended hunting trip, to obtain fresh game to address scurvy - and buy another year, perhaps, for some rescue effort to find them?
@HamburgerTime209
@HamburgerTime209 Год назад
I dunno, that sounds pretty unlikely to me. If it was an extended hunting trip, why would they abandon the ships? Or at least, why would they say they abandoned the ships in the Victory Point Note? And why take so many men? Surely an extended hunting party would take no more then 2 dozen, which is inconsistent with the number of skeletons found, and with Inuit eyewitness accounts. If the plan was to abandon the ships but set up a semi-permanent camp at Victory Point and wait for rescue while a large group heads to Backs Fish River to hunt, why did they not build cabins, which we surely would’ve found was evidence of. I think the traditional assumption of a mass evacuation of both crews to the south is probably the most likely explanation.
@richardmalcolm1457
@richardmalcolm1457 Год назад
@@HamburgerTime209 These are valid concerns. And the reality is, this is all speculation, beause we don't *know* - the Victory Point Note is the only written record we have, and beyond that all we have is an array of sometimes odd archaeological evidence. Woodman had as one driving concern that even had the Franklin men been in perfect health in April 1848, they would not have had any realistic chance of being able to reach any Hudson Bay Company post in that season - it's over 1,200 miles to Fort Resolution, and even farther to Fort Churchill, much of it over difficult ground, and none of the Franklin men had any experience or skills for Arctic overland travel - and we have fairly good reason to believe that many of them were NOT in good health. Crozier was not a fool; he would know this. So why undertake what is on its face a hopeless mission? Woodman explores a number of possibilities, some more compelling than others.
@richardmalcolm1457
@richardmalcolm1457 Год назад
@@HamburgerTime209 P.S. One more point re: "why did they not build cabins?" The simple answer to this is, Victory Point is about a thousand miles north of the Arctic tree line. The only substantial source of wood within a circle of that radius was...well, the EREBUS and TERROR themselves. Dismantling them to build cabins on shore would have been difficult, to say the least (scurvy ridden men breaking the ships apart and hauling the lumber on heavy sledges repeatedly over 25 miles of jagged pack ice, etc.), but also would have reduced any "slim" hope they had of leads opening and at least one of the ships being sailable out of their trap to "none."
@matthew-dq8vk
@matthew-dq8vk Год назад
@@richardmalcolm1457 I see you around a lot because we both are fascinated by this expedition and the mystery. I don't think I've ever asked you who your favorite officer is? I'm partial to Crozier myself, but Irving is cool as well.
@Dil3MM4
@Dil3MM4 Год назад
@@matthew-dq8vk I know you didn't ask me, but I was really fond of the arc that James FitzJames had in the novel, and the bond developed between him and Crozier.
@natrzezwoniewarto8678
@natrzezwoniewarto8678 2 года назад
fantastic thing. Thank you for that video
@royfr8136
@royfr8136 Год назад
<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="900">15:00</a> - 50 years later the bones had been removed...... Nothign else said about this.... ?????? Who took them? Why? Why was this just ignored by the uploader??? These may have been bones from the men and they were removed, so ......?????????
@lorenzbroll0101
@lorenzbroll0101 3 месяца назад
Franklin was just not up to it and the men knowing this mutinied at some point, hence the high officer casualties compared to other ratings. Obviously, they formed into two groups.
@TechnicolorBunny
@TechnicolorBunny Год назад
are you touching it?
@Swngflwr
@Swngflwr Год назад
Why ya gotta blow off thanking the Inuit?
@zipperpillow
@zipperpillow Год назад
Probably because the Netsilik are the ones who attacked the sledding parties in defense of their hunting grounds? (and took Franklin's medal)
@matthew-dq8vk
@matthew-dq8vk Год назад
​@@zipperpillow This is such crap, stop spreading this nonsense.
@agdalanzarini8974
@agdalanzarini8974 Год назад
@@zipperpillow any sources besides the voices in your head?
@JackAShepherd
@JackAShepherd 5 месяцев назад
He wrote a whole book about Inuit testimony... He's not "blowing it off" -- he's just setting straight an annoying narrative
@BushyHairedStranger
@BushyHairedStranger Год назад
We know now that there was an American Werewolf in London that was hired as a shipman aboard the HMS Terror 🎉in 1845. We also know that this Yankee Werewolf killed many aboard the HMS Terror all except for John Torrington & the other two men buried on Beachy Island in 1846. In 1980 their excavated corpses perfectly preserved in the permafrost showed high levels of cortisol & adrenaline which likely caused their premature deaths from fright! having likely witnessed the terrifying and savage transformation of this Yankee Werewolf during the first Full Moon of their journey into the Arctic! This yank delegate Lycanthrope brutally ripped apart & murdered all of Franklins Men whilst they were frozen with fright locked in the icy grip of this Savage White Landscape! None survived the horrifying ordeal though some did escape making a valiant attempt to put distance between themselves & those they witnessed being ripped apart by the supernatural powers of the American Werewolf in the Arctic!! The HMS Terror Ship Bell has Lycanthropic Claw Marks upon it! A ring a ding dong!
@370530e
@370530e Год назад
This is the best theory about what happened to the expedition and clears up all the unexplained events associated with it. My only objection is that werewolves don’t exist.
@JackAShepherd
@JackAShepherd Год назад
TUUNBAAQ 🐻‍❄️
@thedrumdoctor
@thedrumdoctor 10 месяцев назад
If only they’d had silver instead of lead to cast gun shot…😂
@imfeathers
@imfeathers 10 месяцев назад
@@thedrumdoctor I want what you were having.
@thedrumdoctor
@thedrumdoctor 10 месяцев назад
@@imfeathers must have been that holiday in Chernobyl I won.
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