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@smartereveryday
@smartereveryday 3 года назад
So awesome
@MathieuStern
@MathieuStern 3 года назад
Thanks Destin ! Can't wait to see what you shot with your Nishika let me know when you need me :)
@TomtheMagician21
@TomtheMagician21 3 года назад
Woah I know you're probably not gonna read this but it's weird when you see a really cool RU-vidr commenting on another really cool RU-vidr's video and no one else sees it, Nice 👍
@hg3x
@hg3x 3 года назад
Hi Destin, you should try this on your phantom camera
@damncat2793
@damncat2793 3 года назад
Hi
@pavellelyukh5272
@pavellelyukh5272 3 года назад
Actually VR 12K camera have super advanced 6DOF capture, that's way better than any wigglegram
@SatanSupimpa
@SatanSupimpa 3 года назад
A 3D printed 3D lens sounds about right.
@msnjpg1999
@msnjpg1999 3 года назад
not when it costs 90$
@nixietubes
@nixietubes 3 года назад
@@msnjpg1999 So what. It's cheap for a lens period. Its unique and it looks good.
@ryanhamblin2498
@ryanhamblin2498 3 года назад
I love mine. George really killed it with the creation of this lens
@jokwonpope1561
@jokwonpope1561 3 года назад
@@msnjpg1999 what full frame sony lens have you ever seen Cost under $100 new
@DommoDommo
@DommoDommo 3 года назад
@@ryanhamblin2498 Ryan im trying to develop one with 4 lenses instead of 3, would you be willing to share some images of the lens for me?
@blutey
@blutey 3 года назад
I think the point you missed was that the old film stereoscopic cameras from the last century were around before computers were invented so you couldn't view them by 'wiggling them'. The way they worked was that they had two adjacent lenses built in to the camera's body, one taking an image from the perspective of your left eye and one from the right. You sent off the film to be developed and it came back with the images in slide form mounted next to each other on a small piece of cardboard. When placed in a viewer, your brain superimposed the 2 slightly different images giving a cool 3-D image. We used to own one of these cameras in the 1970s and it gave very good sharp images that were fun to look at for the 3D effect.
@ElCidCampeador1994
@ElCidCampeador1994 Год назад
The nearest thing to that that I know is the nintendo 3ds.
@hxhdfjifzirstc894
@hxhdfjifzirstc894 11 месяцев назад
The View-master was popular in the 80s, with the round slides that you could click through.
@UncleJessy
@UncleJessy 3 года назад
That is really dang cool. Loved the one towards the end with the red powders
@MathieuStern
@MathieuStern 3 года назад
thanks a lot, I am sure there is a way for you to 3D print your own version ( if George is ok ? )
@damncat2793
@damncat2793 3 года назад
A
@timotius_ivan
@timotius_ivan 3 года назад
You should try to make a video using this lens, then edit it to continuously alter between the 3 frames 😂
@mylesdlm
@mylesdlm 3 года назад
That would be so trippy hahaha I remember the mv for kendrick lamar's humble. Dope effect.
@printcemetery6565
@printcemetery6565 3 года назад
Literally the first thing I thought when I seen this! Get that slo mo and it would be epic
@althenimble
@althenimble 3 года назад
Yes! I thought that’s what we were going to see. Someone do this! The first person to do this can make a famous music video... Everyone afterwards will be a boring cliche
@kennethminor9253
@kennethminor9253 4 месяца назад
Bring me the horizon has a video that does this.
@kennethminor9253
@kennethminor9253 4 месяца назад
Bring me the horizon - shadow Moses
@CyberPunkSimms
@CyberPunkSimms 3 года назад
He aught to make a business out of that lens, I'd snatch one up instantly for my Eos 90d
@loganjames4607
@loganjames4607 3 года назад
He has done sprint runs and sells the print online. Very nice gent. I have two lenses from him. He is very responsive on social media too. His insta is @ geo.moua
@CyberPunkSimms
@CyberPunkSimms 3 года назад
@@loganjames4607 absolute legend, thanks mate!
@queencrimsonqueencrimson
@queencrimsonqueencrimson 3 года назад
Thanks for featuring my photos taken with the Nimslo 3d! Even as a film shooter I would love to give this new lens a go! Hats off to George for an amazing project and to you for a great informative video as always
@QiR0ng
@QiR0ng 3 года назад
Amazing! I've been hoping someone would bring stereographic lenses to digital. I own one that has 2 but 3 would be so awesome. Bummer that the lens run is so small and it's been a few months since the first run. Hopefully George can do another batch because I would order this in a heartbeat.
@gammawavemedia5123
@gammawavemedia5123 3 года назад
This may be the first 3D lens for a full frame mirrorless camera - however, Panasonic released a 3D lens about 10 years ago for the M4/3 Lumix and Olympus cameras. It was a dual lens 12.5mm IIRC. It is however very cool to see this new 3D-printed lens in action. I thought the results from the Pentax and the 4-lens models was equally impressive and achieved at least as cool of a look. Thanks for sharing you findings Mathieu!
@kurtlindner
@kurtlindner 3 года назад
I think I'm about to order 3 disposable cameras to steal lenses from and print out an adapter.
@tibfox
@tibfox 3 года назад
sounds great!
@psihovno
@psihovno 3 года назад
really looking forward for the results 👀
@DommoDommo
@DommoDommo 3 года назад
I've actually been developing one of my own for the past few months with 4 lenses, but God damn it's so hard to do.
@LemniscateWorks
@LemniscateWorks 3 года назад
Try synchronize 2 cameras with the same optics on tripod or rails.
@krystilla
@krystilla 3 года назад
doesn't this technique also work by just doing some burst photos?
@davidthefat
@davidthefat 3 года назад
Panasonic had (still has technically) a two lens stereoscope lens for the micro four thirds mount. Also Fuji sold a few of the 3D points and shoot cameras as well.
@elvisgratton6328
@elvisgratton6328 3 года назад
Yup exactly gf2 uad the option that's over 12 years ago
@MrMichaelfalk
@MrMichaelfalk 3 года назад
i have a samsung 50mm 3d lens for their NX series DX cams...
@NandR
@NandR 3 года назад
There was a way to get this effect on a digital camera before. The Fujifilm W1 and W3 3d cameras. And possibly the LG 3d camera phones.
@extremeneo2600
@extremeneo2600 3 года назад
I was thinking the same, I have a Fujifilm W1 , good camera, even has a 3d screen
@robwilliams8060
@robwilliams8060 3 года назад
First? For a digital body? Not at all! Panasonic Lumix 12.5mm f/12 3D G Lens for Micro Four Thirds came out in 2010.
@MathieuStern
@MathieuStern 3 года назад
the Panasonic Lumix 12.5mm f/12 3D G Lens has 2 stereoscopic lenses, here there is 3 ... so yes it's the first one with 3 lenses.
@robwilliams8060
@robwilliams8060 3 года назад
@@MathieuStern 🙂
@adigyran
@adigyran 3 года назад
not a full frame sadly
@idkanymore3382
@idkanymore3382 11 месяцев назад
@@MathieuSternlumix did real 3D yours is just a lazy effect
@differdf
@differdf 3 года назад
Panasonic released stereoscopic lens for digital cameras (m43 format) around 10 years ago, so this idea is not a new thing. I guess the problem is that it's such a niche product with lots of drawbacks (like very narrow aperture, problematic to create wide angle) that it's not really appealing to photographers thus not many alternatives appeared on the market.
@kown123
@kown123 3 года назад
Freakin amazing, can't wait till these go into their final stages and full-on quality production
@docartproductions876
@docartproductions876 3 года назад
Awesome. I was wondering how it will look without that wiggle and also how a video shot with this lens will look. It would be nice if you could post something without wiggle and also a video sample.
@abba2566
@abba2566 3 года назад
I was wondering that as well, and you can just pause the video. It loses the 3D effect unfortunately. I'd assume video would look horrific!
@guzzlingas1
@guzzlingas1 3 года назад
Loreo has been making stereo lenses for digital cameras for a while now. So this is not exactly the "first". Still pretty cool though, especially the homemade aspect.
@ZakiWasik
@ZakiWasik 3 года назад
Please try to incorporate it in video! I mean shot 30fps and interweave a "wiggle frame" in between each frame so it turns to 60fps for example. Could be cool, could be weird.
@Nadasecriaa
@Nadasecriaa 3 года назад
maybe a silly question but: what are the results when you shoot videos with it ?
@radrich227
@radrich227 3 года назад
This reminds me of that old Wang Chung video from the 80's.
@Toastmaster_5000
@Toastmaster_5000 3 года назад
If more lenses are added, you could print these out and put them behind a lenticular sheet, so you can make your own 3D patterns to hold in real-life.
@Ni5ei
@Ni5ei 11 месяцев назад
Er, that's what these cameras were intended for...
@AveryDelMiller
@AveryDelMiller 3 года назад
I'd love to see some video filmed on this lens. You could effectively double the frame rate, but probably pretty disorienting lol
@milododd
@milododd 3 года назад
That would be so much editing to split each frame and insert them one after another... 0_o
@dutchdaniel9972
@dutchdaniel9972 3 года назад
1:22 Fujifilm Finepix real 3d w3 is a digital 3d camera and looks better than this lens in my opinion.
@bluemarsh7058
@bluemarsh7058 3 года назад
There’s a few pretty cool apps you can make this same effect with if you can’t afford the camrea
@michalsiroky
@michalsiroky 3 года назад
And what about Panasonic Lumix G 3D 12.5mm f/12 lens from 2012?
@hannahcheney9417
@hannahcheney9417 3 года назад
This is awesome! I taught myself how to take stereo photos with a DSLR by hand, by shifting the camera side to side, and have been pretty successful with two-image stereo photos that you can see by crossing your eyes or putting it in a stereoscope. I also taught myself how to take multiple frames of a still life by moving the camera on a tripod and then use Photoshop to make them wiggle. I dream of someday having a camera or lens like this can take all the frames at once 😍
@figjoy
@figjoy 3 года назад
Sync two cameras for perfect stereos with moving scenes... moving clouds look awesome!😉
@hannahcheney9417
@hannahcheney9417 3 года назад
@@figjoy That's a great idea that I haven't tried yet. I only have one digital camera to use, though, but I've acquired two identical film cameras that I kind of really want to try to do that with.
@mashphat
@mashphat 3 года назад
This is really cool! But even cooler is the unexpected 'Shepard Tone' style illusion you've achieved in some of these shots: the image appears to be in a state of perpetual zoom despite being only 3 images.
@showalk
@showalk 10 месяцев назад
He actually zoomed in on them though, it's not an illusion.
@randomgeocacher
@randomgeocacher 3 года назад
I met a guy with two small Sony APS-C on a rig a few years ago. Turns out he was into stereoscopic images and used a 3D TV to view his own productions.
@ahaco8734
@ahaco8734 3 года назад
In USSR exist Sputnik camera. It was a Lubitel with one extra lens at the bottom
@Vincepenalty
@Vincepenalty 3 года назад
I've been waiting for something like this since the reto3d came out
@AfricanSunProductions
@AfricanSunProductions 2 года назад
Pretty cool effect, thanks for a good video.
@MathieuStern
@MathieuStern 2 года назад
Glad you liked it!
@GTReaper37
@GTReaper37 3 года назад
I3DSteroid on iPhone. You’re welcome
@seagal571
@seagal571 3 года назад
Panasonic create a 3d lens time ago, the Lumix 12.5mm f/12 3D G Lens for Micro Four Thirds!
@MathieuStern
@MathieuStern 3 года назад
Very true! but you speak about a 2 "lens" stereoscopic lens, here we have 3 lenses on the same lens
@danielhansen2907
@danielhansen2907 3 года назад
That's super cool, I once tried to get the same effect with two cameras and a flash out in the forest around midnight, turns out the forest is a pretty scary place at night!
@piperpilot44253
@piperpilot44253 9 месяцев назад
Looks like they are no longer sold. So sad I would have loved to buy one
@DJBastor
@DJBastor 3 года назад
Hey Mathieu, I love the footage and the 80s music.
@antontaranenko8824
@antontaranenko8824 3 года назад
Reminded me of 16 x lenses Fujifilm camera for golf - Rensha Camera Ryu N16, still possible to buy today in Japan, and some Japanese vintage photographer's still love using it. It takes 16 shots one by one, on 16 lenses, exposing 16 images on 2x 35mm frames film. Quite a strange beast from the past.
@RhettAnderson
@RhettAnderson 3 года назад
I have a few of those Nishika and Nimslo cameras.
@TheGazmondo
@TheGazmondo 3 года назад
I find this about as interesting as being able to turn persons portrait into a cats head. It’s a gimmick, it’s wigglingly annoying, and nobody will care in 18months. Clever maybe, interesting no. It doesn’t go three dimensional without the annoying flickering motion. Sorry !
@MathieuStern
@MathieuStern 3 года назад
the good news is that no one is forcing you to buy it
@Fjalll
@Fjalll 3 года назад
A great option to the popular Nimslo/Nishika 3D cameras
@specialingu
@specialingu 3 года назад
actually proper 3d picture viewers are damn cool, but extremely rare :( but wiggle pics do give a 3d effect on 2d devices, so thats cool.... also a surprising amount of early photography was 3d.
@johnherzel718
@johnherzel718 3 года назад
Love it! How do I get my hands on one? Asking for a friend. (Me!)
@loganjames4607
@loganjames4607 3 года назад
look at @ geo.moua on instagram. You may find the info your looking for in a post. otherwise DM him. He is relatively active. He does runs of completed lenses and he sells the file for you if you own a 3d printer yourself.
@AzamFXAFX
@AzamFXAFX 3 года назад
what song at 4:04 - 5:33
@hbdie
@hbdie 3 года назад
hey, I know this
@fburton8
@fburton8 3 года назад
A delight, as ever. Thank you, Pete.
@OhFishyFish
@OhFishyFish 7 месяцев назад
It's a great idea but as a 3D printer maker I can't stand this print quality, I'd be embarrassed to offer something so poorly printed for sale for $8, let alone $80.00!!!
@nimmira
@nimmira 3 года назад
It's cool, though I kinda prefer anaglyph to wiggle. For a still image that is I've encountered a website long time ago that has a calculator to make a disk with 2 apertures - this is to take 2 images on same camera, same sensor. The disk is to be placed on the lens of course. However, my trials with it were poor (I used black hard paper to easy handling but maybe a metallic one would be better).
@Kanbokeh
@Kanbokeh 3 года назад
wow
@MathieuStern
@MathieuStern 3 года назад
I knew you would like this lens :)
@Kanbokeh
@Kanbokeh 3 года назад
@@MathieuStern I fell in love with it.❤️❤️❤️
@timoteiafanasie4894
@timoteiafanasie4894 3 года назад
It looks pretty good without that headache making wiggles.
@FrankoZetto
@FrankoZetto 3 года назад
Cool but not available anymore 🤦🏻‍♂️
@Thefilms1
@Thefilms1 5 месяцев назад
I can achieve this look in video through my Sony Zv E10's rolling shutter😅
@SMGJohn
@SMGJohn 10 месяцев назад
Pretty cool, i will keep it in mind when digital paper with battery that last 100 years and is thin as paper comes to fruition in 2207
@JamesOversteer
@JamesOversteer 3 года назад
So much effort for such a weird gimmick, I don’t get it personally.
@CzMpXcZ
@CzMpXcZ 3 года назад
FujiFilm Rensha Cardia Is i think First of this kind camera that was produced 👌 interesting though
@HAWXLEADER
@HAWXLEADER 3 года назад
Can't phones do that? Technically? Wouldn't it be easier to just build a rig with a few phone camera sensors in a row?
@JubbLaRacing
@JubbLaRacing 11 месяцев назад
5:14 MrBeast 😭
@laberkopp9618
@laberkopp9618 3 года назад
First digital 3d camera 2009 Fujifilm FinePix REAL 3D W3! I own one. Good Pictures and 3d Film on 3d TV and Beamer... Also on special Pictures
@TebyGonzalez
@TebyGonzalez 3 года назад
I just realize that the girl in the photo is drinking "Mate", a popular infusion that we drink here in Argentina. Nice video!!
@madrooster7
@madrooster7 3 года назад
Also, I have one of those Nishika 4 lens cameras, and have been experimenting with 3d for years. A dual lens setup is better for live subjects, but you get nicer architectural and still life results with multiple shots on a modded macro slider, and you can get goofy lenticular stuff using marked camera rails.
@E.R.U.42
@E.R.U.42 10 месяцев назад
It can be easily done by shooting in burst mode
@mab7722
@mab7722 Год назад
you forgot to mention there is Canon RF 5.2mm F2.8L DUAL FISHEYE lens which is essentially stereoscopic lens and recently came out.
@CookieCraftMedia
@CookieCraftMedia 5 месяцев назад
The Nintendo 3DS did it first, while it doesn’t use wiggle stereoscopy, the dual camera photos are stored to the sd card so you could do it
@ElricSowrd
@ElricSowrd Год назад
The 3D Realist is an awesome idea. But what about for Camcorders?
@gamingwithstand6886
@gamingwithstand6886 3 года назад
I don't believe that is the first lens. Panasonic made a 3D lens for M43 the 12.5 f12 3D. I have it I never used it once. It has two lens. You can find them on Ebay. Maybe the Panasonic 12.5 can be adapter to do kind of photography? I know filmmakers would put tape on one of the contacts so it would trick the lens to film video. Panasonic just wanted people to use it for stills. A hacked GH1 or GH2 you don't need to use tape.
@ioloedwards4823
@ioloedwards4823 3 года назад
For anyone that doesn’t want to be excluded because of expensive parts, you can get the same effect by moving the camera to the side around the subject on burst mode and have pretty much an infinite amount of frames.
@JTshoot
@JTshoot 3 года назад
Not really, with this lens your taking a photo in the same millisecond from 3 different angles, with burst you would have motion, since every picture is taken slightly later than the previous.
@ioloedwards4823
@ioloedwards4823 3 года назад
@@JTshoot Realistically nothing moves much in a seventh of a second.
@Burssty
@Burssty 3 года назад
It looks a bit janky but it works amazingly
@SmoothMoodProject
@SmoothMoodProject 3 года назад
Why not take a video with high shutter speed to avoid motion blur and grab 3 suitable frames to create said effect? I can see that having a use to produce stereoscopic depth on a single film but today it is more trouble than it need to be.
@sanderkiesel1965
@sanderkiesel1965 Год назад
Why on earth do we need the wiggle effect? I am even more surprised that it is announced by some people as a way to see 3D. Yes, it is possible to see 3D in these pictures, but it is much more difficult as watching the normal 3D image. The stereocard for instance, you can watch with the (trained) naked eye, or use a stereoscope. These wiggling pictures you have to watch with both eyes blinding sequential with the same frequency the picture swaps on your screen, and this should be done left - right on the right moment as well, otherwise you’ll get a reversed 3D image. VERY difficult. It also will give many people a headache. The mass is complaining getting a headache watching a 3D movie with specs comfortable placed on their nose, but wiggling pictures and their hand waving in front of their eyes is a great invention? Without a hand waving I would even get a headache. Weird? Yes, indeed!
@nj1255
@nj1255 8 месяцев назад
I wonder if you could make something like this with micro lens arrays. So instead of taking just 2-4 different images, it would hundreds of different ones that are super close to each other. I'm guessing you cold get a much smoother "wiggle" that way.
@adanvargas2339
@adanvargas2339 3 года назад
You missed a chunk of the history of stereographic cameras. Lomography made an assortment of these cameras back in the late nineties early aughts. Including the Actionsampler (4 lenses) and Oktomat (8 que lenses). But also had a couple stereographic cameras situated in vertical and horizontal and another with three with different tints, etc. Now they only produce the Actionsampler.
@just_eirik
@just_eirik 3 года назад
Too bad he can’t get 3 lenses to work with crop sensors. When there’s only 2 lenses the effect is not as pleasing to look at. I wonder what would happen if you put the full frame version of this lens on a speed booster and then on a aps-c camera.
@emielzier
@emielzier 3 года назад
Me: She looks like the witch from avenger. Everyone: ??
@matttheking1655
@matttheking1655 3 года назад
Not on Digital Camera, but I think their are several apps on iPhone you can have the same effect, with no lens needed.. Film 3D and Parallax....
@justmythought7658
@justmythought7658 10 месяцев назад
If you want to test it without having to spend money right away, simply take two pictures with the same exposure values with the camera offset by a few centimeters. Then align the images with the image editing software of your choice. The disadvantage is that this method only works with static subjects. In my film days, I used to do this with slide film and "3D glasses" that I made myself from two cheap slide viewers.
@erez369
@erez369 3 года назад
You didn't get what is 3D image. It's not that effect - that effect is something that can be done now. 3D image is like 3D movies at the cinema.. If you use stereoscopic viewing apparatus it should be one 3D image.
@雪鷹魚英語培訓的領航
@雪鷹魚英語培訓的領航 3 года назад
Reminds me of Allie X in this video titled: "Allie X - CATCH (OFFICIAL VIDEO)"
@Ni5ei
@Ni5ei 11 месяцев назад
A bit odd you completely skip over the fact that the Nimslo and Nishika cameras were meant for creating lenticular prints... The same can be done with this lens.
@ElieZ
@ElieZ 3 года назад
I couldn't click the buy button fast enough - sadly they are out of stock and out of pre-orders. I wish they had a way of letting us know when they become available.
@The_NSeven
@The_NSeven 10 месяцев назад
ICM photography with this would be wild. Wish I had one
@bogfinken
@bogfinken 3 года назад
Fun little thing, not sure my eyes / brain knows how to process the wiggly pics though. Still it's a cool thing, good luck and my best wishes to the creator of this new lens series.
@ako9212
@ako9212 2 года назад
These results don’t seem good enough to bother with this lens. You could get a much more pleasing result by shooting a video, panning the camera, selecting 3 or more frames and stitching them together. Still a fun video to watch.
@Adnan_Khan__111
@Adnan_Khan__111 3 года назад
My Google photos made for me cinematic shot with just a single photo 😁
@Ehsanesque
@Ehsanesque 3 года назад
0:39 what's the music name? Anybody knows?
@estraume
@estraume 3 года назад
Do Samsung Galaxy phones with 3 cameras have any app that can create similar type of gifs? Looking at the physics of the three lenses placed in a row, I can not avoid thinking that this can easily be done in an app on a phone with similar 3 camera arrangement.
@fliegenderzauberkasten1337
@fliegenderzauberkasten1337 3 года назад
Of course you could just use these old front lens adopters, e.g., by pentax, on digital cameras...
@mab_visuals
@mab_visuals 2 года назад
canon recently made a stereoscopic lens for RF mount 5.2mm F2.8 L Dual Fisheye Lens
@brianegendorf2023
@brianegendorf2023 6 месяцев назад
The wiggle grams are neat to a degree, but its kind of wagging the dog by the tail. The stereograms are meant to give 3D effects..and at this point are best viewed as stereographic 3D image in a VR headset.
@madrooster7
@madrooster7 3 года назад
Actually, this is not the first. I have a lens called the Loreo Lens In Cap, a 3D slit frame mirror lens for Canon EF mount.
@dans.8198
@dans.8198 3 года назад
With still subjects any camera will work. Just take two or more pictures slightly shifting the camera to one side.
@lavonneware2376
@lavonneware2376 3 года назад
Take my money! I’m not joking I want one!!!
@madzoroyal
@madzoroyal 3 года назад
Love your accent ❤️
@M0ritsch
@M0ritsch 3 года назад
i want this... i wonder what happen, if you start filming thru this lens and have some fun in ae
@SubSonicsPixelators
@SubSonicsPixelators 7 месяцев назад
I want to make one for EF mount or RF mount, wondering if I could do it with disposable camera lenses
@rajagopal3432
@rajagopal3432 3 года назад
So the quad camera craze atarted in the 1980s itself....!!!😁
@pictureeyecandy
@pictureeyecandy 3 года назад
I hate to say it but you don't need a special lens. I have seen it done with after effects on copycat Friday using video. They said that's how the music video was made.
@thevrboi
@thevrboi 7 месяцев назад
Very sad it’s not in sale, are there a way that I can make this my self? I have 3D printer. But I can buy lens
@Ungoliant_Un
@Ungoliant_Un 10 месяцев назад
Cool. Now just go to video mode, move the camera slightly to the side, extract 3 images from the footage and there you go.
@robertmeyerson1618
@robertmeyerson1618 3 года назад
Sorry... I don't get the need for the wiggle. My father had a 3-d camera and I still have some family shots.
@MattJoko
@MattJoko 3 года назад
Hey. What music is it at the second half of video? Love it. Thankful for any help here.
@RayoBeatz
@RayoBeatz 3 года назад
ok but what if we curve the lends and add more lenses so we can paralax it up to say 270 degrees or realistic 180 degrees
@TerraMagnus
@TerraMagnus 3 года назад
Apparently they are made of unobtanium and are not for sale. :(
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