I don’t think the dimples make it fly further but it gives you a good consistent grip on it. So you never have to worry about your grip slipping or gripping it wrong. This could also make your throws more consistent
The pdga has to allow companies to be more innovative. They are restricting technology advancement to prevent companies from making a great product, and taking market share from the big brands. We want dimples, textured tops, ect..
Your local Ching Discs lover here. Thank you so much Jesse for showing these off. Make sure to check out their best and even more unique disc... the ORACLE!!!
I love weird and zany disc designs. I’m always down to see how they fly. That being said, I was going through an online factory story a few weeks back and found a Groove in clear champion plastic. I showed it to a friend for fun and giggles. Apparently I’m the proud new owner of a u-dye Groove. Argh.
I have all of these discs and they are some of my favorites. The one thing I never see anyone talk about is the diagram on the JuJu that is the +3 to -3, I always thought that if the line your thumb makes matches with any of the lines in that diagram that is going to affect the fade of the disc, like going from stable (+3) to under stable (-3). If the JuJu was still in production, I would own too many. By far my favorite upshot and putter disc ever.
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I always pay attention when i hear anyone mention ching discs. I found a ching sniper mid range along time ago and it was my strait go to when i was new. It turned into a great turn over mid and now is retired with my other old cant find anymore collection.
Im so jealous you get sent so many weird discs. Weird stuff wednesday is my favorite video series! I did a ching juju video ages ago. Its actually a good disc
I think more ppl have heard of these than you thought. I used to bag a driver way back when. It got to be kind of a utility disc and then eventually got pushed out of the bag. Still have a few laying around somewhere. It was a good disc to hand a beginner to explain the difference in backhand/forehand and all that jazz.
I have a portable ching basket. Really compact and fits into the nylon bag to carry easily. Also have a ching bomb driver and ching sniper mid range disc. Some of my favorites when i first started playing disc.
A favorable summary 😎 ..I'd note that Juju, Precision, and Velocity were created to market as a 3-pack when I split from Innova production. I may have missed calling Velocity a 'Fairway Driver' at the time. But (correct me if I'm wrong).. I think I was the first to market and standardize the four categories of { Putt & Approach | Midrange | Fairway Driver | Distance Driver } in DGWN with Tank, Stinger, Sniper, and Bomb respectively.
Great job throwing those discs. The mid was like a Roc, the first Driver was like a Teebird, and the last driver was like a Thunderbird. Very cool. You probably made everyone want these discs now. They seem to give great grip for consistency.
Been so long.. I thought I modeled Velocity off the Beast; McCormack called me out on that. I prolly studied his line for the Genesis nose/rim. Legal/moral rumors aside, IMO he was aggressive pushing PDGA approved rim width to the max, compared to Innova plodding along with strategic incremental increases to squeeze monetization through development. The Roc is 22cm ish.. I made all mine at 21.1 ish for consistency.
I'm not sure dimples performs better but I'm sure I could love and bag one of those discs, you definitely knew we'd want one after watching these you can't let us down please make an OS fairway! And a putter maybe :D
I had a Genesis driver with the wavy grip points. Felt so nice in hand, but it's in the water at Interlocken. I still have my Legacy mid with an Ace on it.
Great video! Maybe those dimples are something trash panda might incorporate on a few of their discs in the future? That is if that tech isn’t trademarked.
As a collector of weird discs I definitely have a Ching (Velocity) in my pile. Recently had a chance at an Oracle which is even goofier, but one Ching is enough for me. The oracle is just 3 MASSIVE dimples. Like 2-3x the size of the ones on the drivers.
I don't feel like the asymmetrical design of the dimples was analyzed enough. I'm not saying there is much to be discovered there either. But I would like to see a series of throws from same disc with different clock position for grip
I have the mojo putter. Lore has it that they had to change the name due to the Austin Powers copyright to mojo. Whether or not that is true I’m not sure of but I do enjoy putting with it. I didn’t know they made drivers as well. Very cool 😎
Portable baskets are still called Chings here. Also, Scott Stokely nowadays has the license to produce the discs...and they're not anymore made in China. It's just the mold :-D
I found one at my local course about 10 years ago and it was the driver. Idk if it was because it was beat in or super soft but it was under stable but I kept it in my bag for a water disc. I think that this was a great idea for beginners to learn how to grip and where to grip the disc. Overall it was a gimmick but i'm sure that they sold at the beginning and did okay. I have never seen another one or heard anything since I lost it in a creek so it was cool seeing this video reminding me of some good times in my past.
i left a clear gummy ching juju at a course around pandemic times when i first got back into disc golf. thing was likely almost 20yrs old. still miss it.
kinda fun seeing all the online disc golf beginners discovering the discs we tried out like 12 years ago. its unlikely these discs make it in the bag for any serious disc golfer
Tank was 'licensed' Innova mold. Juju was an Aero shaved down flat to reduce width to 21.1 and make it as slow as possible with flat side. Stan McDaniel test threw the first hand made prototype for me, and Dunipace confirmed the concept with production mini prototypes at USDGC longgg ago.
I'm not aware of Houck marketing a Millennium Tank. Innova let me use the beadless version for CHING Tank and created a big bead on the Rhyno swapping mold parts.
The Juju was originally called the Mojo but Ching had to change the name because Mojo was used already. I have a Mojo never thrown it, used a soft Juju for a while for approach shots.
Is it possible to buy those discs from somewhere? I dont care how they fly, but since holding a disc in my hand the first time I've always wondered why the hell they dont make those dimples...it would be SO MUCH better to hold on to a disc that way
I threw a Ching back in the early 2000s. I kinda remember the disc being alright...that being said, I also bagged a Wham-O driver that I absolutely loved.
I might mention that your success with these discs might also be due to the fact that since you're using discs you're not used to the mental opportunity to say "well, they didn't fly well and I didn't do well, but these are weird discs nobody uses so no pressure", that lack of pressure maybe can lead to a more casually and fundamentally solid game that you wouldn't usually play simply because of that phenomenon of having the pressure off of performing with discs that you SHOULD know how to throw. I know you said that the test wasn't very scientific. I do like the finger placement holes as a concept. The berg has something similar with its dome ridge for thumb placement and that is also nice.
I putted with the ju ju for years. The main reason was the feel of my putting grip felt the same no matter what the temperature. Super hot or super cold. Loved those discs. The legacy was amazing for me once beat in. But they lacked durability. Honestly... I miss them.
I remember buying a 3-set of these from a building supply store for about 12 dollars. Tried them once on a business trip, thought they were awful, left them out on the course for someone to find.
Ching was the Innova made company and only the molds that were made by Ching with top and bottom a Ching innovation were totally Ching molds. My Dad used a Juju in the Supreme plastic (e-bay 2004--2005 for $35 USA) , a forerunner to the Champion only this Supreme floppy plastic. The discs for the company Innova and Chinese at the same time the first company were made from late 1990's not sure until 2002 right before we started. He has several other putters, driver a Medium Firm Wizard for driving only, a Rubber Puter too heavy a weight to float, another. The company in 2014 did a few runs of the distance drivers planning to get back into production but stopped, as between 2003 and 2014 the company did not make discs. Some older discs like this one was a Roc with the technology they used on the two later distance drivers.
I have a prototype Ching Juju that Mike Holgate sent out to testers via the PDGA forum. Very interesting concept and cool looking disc but IMO the dimples ruined the glide and made the disc understable. Maybe higher elevation was the missing link? You were certainly golfing those discs in an impressive manner. 😎
Edit: I still had something filled in the search fields. Looks like they're all still approved. I believe that all of them were at one point. However just the Big Heavy and Ultimate are still listed for Ching. So I'm assuming that the PDGA just unlisted them and doesn't allow this kind of design any longer.
Has anyone made a contraption to throw discs repeatably each time? That way comparing discs is much more useful and trustworthy. Think like a baseball pitching machine or clay pigeon launcher etc.
I have 2 Juju's in my collection, a soft gummy one & a hard plastic like DX. I putted with them in 2008-2010, but never knew that Innova helped Ching produce the discs.
The Supreme plastic was like Champion, Innova basically got the info of what plastic company that Ching was getting its plastic from then got it and used a blend to have a stiffer plastic. The one other plastic at the time that was like this was Discraft Elite-Z the early version had a different feel and was more like how modern Latitude 64/other molds feel in the fully clear plastic. Ching also had the Disc Basket they got swiped from the company when they folded in 2002 or 2003 right before I started playing. This is not unlike when Millenium made some of the early Disc Golf Backpacks in 2007--2008 the older models they had one they shipped to China to make a clone of them, at the time the Millenium ones were made in Mexico or in Vietnam. The discs from Ching used to be worth more and only the Innova made discs from the company are worth anything especially the Roc like disc that had the same top the distance drivers Ching made later in a few runs in 2014 planning to get back into the company. At the time the molds made by Innova were made back when Innova East still based out of same city they Do USDGC since 1999/ since 2007 Throw Pink, those two events actually made discs. This was also the same town Ching was from even when the Chinese discs were made at the same time.
The Sniper, Tank, Bomb, & Stinger were Innova molds. Millennium / Hyzerbomb was given permission to run the Tank mold -- they are available. All others are CHING molds.
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CHING Roc is just an Innova Roc that was processed under a heat press to apply the Full Color imagery.. flattened it out a little. Flying Disc Museum let me blab about it in an article.
