Stan culture and parasocial relationships have created an idea of an artist for the people without actual interaction. And sometimes it can become overbearing to an artist and create excuses for behavior.
I'm glad Kelly and Michelle hold their friendship with bey sacred to their heart and don't reveal anything about her either! And I find it disrespectful how people try to use them to pull information out of them glad Michelle called them out.
i feel like with so many celebrities getting exposed this year, it's really important to start separating the art from the artist. I too have formed parasocial attachments with many artists and been disappointed when they were exposed as not being the best people. It's honestly just best to expect nothing.
Exactly! I like kpop and there are some artists that I get delusional about, but one thing is for sure, I am NOT defending them with my life online. You think exo can’t sing? I might be like woah wait a second. But you start saying you don’t like Baekhyun because he seems iffy I have to sit back and be like “boooo” in my head and keep moving. Idk these people. There was one person I liked and he turned out to be a damn rapist😐😐😐 after that I am NOT defending anybody or forming no crazy relationship with a celebrity because I DONT KNOW THEM. Hell I barely know the people I know in real life. These could be horrible people but I’m getting online screaming and cussing somebody out over them? Nah
@@kiki13451 true! I defended and ignored doja cat's red flags for so long just for her to date a predator and insult the people who pay her bills 😭 as someone who listens to doja, ariana and abel (all of whom have been problematic this year) I've just had to come to the decision to stop idolizing celebrities because we really don't know them. I'm also a K-pop fan but I am more of a fan than a STAN. I know that most idols have personas and act in certain ways to please fans. A lot of them may not even like their fans (korea has some of the most unhinged superfans so it's understandable) which is why it's weird to me how certain fans defend their faves so passionately.
The worst part is fans thinking celebrities are politicians and leaders of the world. If you as a celebrity say the opposite or do the opposite, you get back lash
I’m sorry but I can’t help but agree.. it is mental illness the way these people will sit for hours online and argue with people defending someone they don’t even know. It is sick. They will defend these celebrities more than they will defend their very own family. How can you invest so much energy into someone who does not even know you, besides entertaining you what do these celebrities do for you?
Exactly! I commented this on an unpopular opinion video. Stan's go harder for these "idols" than themselves or their own loved ones. It's sad and scary.
It’s crazy because you can’t even give an opinion on a lot of these artist anymore because the stans will literally attack you like start threatening your life all for someone that they don’t even know like that has to be some type of mental illness
Bruh I forgot the conversation at hand but I think people were talking about how destiny’s child had good vocalists or something Beyoncé just outshined and I commented that my grandma (who’s 62-been around what before destiny’s child became a thing) originally thought that Beyoncé couldn’t sing when the group first came out but got better over the years and how she thought Kelly was originally a better singer. Tell me WHY this fan replied cussing me out, calling my grandma all kind of bitches and hoes??? And said show proof of Beyoncé not being able to sing. I had to correct her REAL quick but like PROOF OF WHAT. A video of my grandma from 1995 or something saying she thought Beyoncé couldn’t sing? TF?! And then said we love to hate on Beyoncé and we’re just jealous. Some people are so jobless and mentally ill that it’s so concerning especially over somebody that won’t even look at you. Do YOU know Beyoncé. I have some favorite artists that I adore maybe because their music or art helped me a lot but I don’t know them and I’m not about to get online cussing somebody out hell I probably won’t even defend my faves because idk them. They could be evil. If you think they can’t sing i might be like “can you hear” and keep it pushing. But some folks take it to the extremes for what? Beyoncé ain’t gonna follow you or like your tweet or put you on her website now
THANK YOU! it's soooo strange when people try to act like they know a celeb. they are famous strangers who shows the public what they want the public to know. and it's so disrespectful when interviewers ask kelly and michelle about beyoncé that's always annoyed me!!! they're 2 women who have their own lives and stuff going on, they deserve to talk about that without a mention of beyoncé!
I know it must hurt for some of Doja cat’s fans to not be able to have their one of their fav artist say,”I love you guys” to them but that’s exactly the problem. It’s kind of para social but it’s pretty normalized to a point where a lot of ppl still don’t see anything bc wrong with that. Bc they feel like they can’t like their music without knowing their a good person or not with a little obsessive if you ask me . Billie Eilish might say she loves her fans all the time but it’s better not to get attached to mainstream artist’s as a person and like them more for their music bc it will only inevitably lead to disappointment, bc since Lizzo is the totally opposite of what she speaks about it her music, but thing wis you can still like their music,for example: liking Doja cat’s music doesn’t mean you have to like her. Never get *too* attached to famous personas
I may be in the minority, but i didn’t think what doja said to her fans was wrong. It’s just HOW she said it. She was way too crass, but the message ain’t wrong 🤷🏽♀️
She made some valid points, but her delivery was so disrespectful. Yes, Doja Cat did make some valid points about the toxicity of stan culture; however, I think for her to tell her fans to get a job was a little distasteful, considering the same people that she's calling "dumb" are financially fonding her lifestyle by supporting her music.
How is it right to be annoyed at your fans for having your name as thwir display name?😭 girls just mad cause she got caught dating a pedo and doesnt wanna face consequences
@@jazmin6973you don’t find that weird??? imagine someone uses your government name as their name for their page even when you use a stage name as your brand / for everything you do. it’s complete valid to be weirded out by that. that’s why so many artists use stage names in the first place…
I think she’s 100% right. I also think the cashgrab tweet was raken out of context. It was a respond to people not wanting her to make other genre’s of music than her last two pop albums. It seems like no matter what these celebs do or choose to do or not to do, they lose anyway. Doja is just the first one who’s real about it and doesnt give a f what people say. If you were in her place, would you rather fake a pop carreer for a few decades playing the caricature who the people expect you to be, or go all punk and do your own thing despite losing fans. It seems like nobody listens/asks her what she wants/needs. That’s sad tho. #leavedojaalone
…the Beyoncé mass isn’t to “praise Beyoncé”. It’s just what you said: a womanist take on the catholic mass. One of the reasons this mass exists is to use modern pop culture to make aspects of the religion more relatable for people who may not be religious.
It’s weird that Doja’s fan pages are begging her to tell them she loves them and going to blogs claiming she needs to apologize to them. Those are literally fake pages that don’t post their own faces if they divest from Doja they will replace their profile pic with another celebrity and beg them to say I love you back. I won’t say Doja worded things wrong, but she does not have to respond to any comments at all.
Shoot me but, I think Doja is 100% right. I also think the cashgrab tweet was taken out of context. It was a response to people not wanting her to make other genres of music than her last two pop albums. It seems like no matter what these celebs do or choose to do or not to do, they lose anyway. Doja is just the first one who’s real about it and doesnt give a f what people say. If you were in her shoes, would you rather fake a pop carreer for a few decades playing the caricatur the people expect you to be, or go all punk and do your own thing ? despite losing fans? It seems like nobody listens/asks her what she wants/needs. That’s sad tho. #leavedojaalone
I get where your coming from because the people who came for doja for experimenting with her style and trying to mold her into what they want her to be need to rightfully be criticized for that. However, Doja tends to forget that no fan forced her to do pop music and practically capitalize off of it during her hot pink Era. No fan forced her to keep rocking the colorful wigs and ride the pop train. No fan forced her to keep comforming for the male gaze. Now maybe her team did or this infamous Dr. Luke I keep hearing about probably did press her about it but the Kittens (the name that she gave them herself and fed into Stan culture) that she complains about being toxic and being too up her ass and into her life they continued to support her album after album and live after live and they let her be bald headed, they let her continue to self hate, they even let her shade them whether it be direct or indirect, and during that Lori hill RU-vid situation when she went off on her for simply telling things like it is her fans let that slide but now that she is finally being confronted about her problematic boyfriend and her crib is being inspected fbi open up in this bitch (metaphorically the fbi Is not coming for her) now she wants to deflect and make it about her fans being parasocial and crazy when it's like no baby fuck that take accountability, take responsibility and listen to your fans when they are telling you some serious shit about the man that you are dating because that is the bigger picture. It's crazy cuz we still are falling for her shenanigans and giving her what she wants because it seems like she has stirred up all this mayhem amongst her fanbase and they, well maybe I should say we because i will admit I supported her and am torn on wether I should anymore, we shame each other for liking her music and being fans of her while she is off the hook disrespecting her fans yet again by continuing to be with a man who has disrespected her fans and probably even disrespected her because given her history in the chat rooms... I am disappointed and I could very well deserve that because she is right in the fact that we don't really know her behind the scenes and vice versa but Still it is what it is Peace Love and Happiness chile
@@sweetnmoody5895 wow, thats a very detailed opinion, thanks for that! But to keep it simple, I think you’re right. I understand every fan’s point of view. But I also think idolization is not healthy. Not on that level. We cant imagine what it must be like to be someone as famous as Doja, not those fake influencer type famous but really A list celeb famous, but we can look at the past, and what happens when the whole world is following your every move m, waiting for you to slip and fall? They spiral out of control and 10 years laters there is a documentary about what it really was like and how it went wrong. If she wants to date a guy and wants no opinion, I personally understand that. We dont know what happens behind closed doors, do we? She’s sick and tired of it because social media is super toxic. Now all eyes are on you and there is no way back since ‘Mooo’ came out. No more privacy. I think she wants to go back tho, and make the music that she likes for people that want to see what the real Doja can spit. She wants to bury Industry Doja, but the world wont let her. Sad tho. Imma small town European rapper myself, and I dont think I’d switch positions with her life if I had the chance. But I get what you mean, millions of girls would kill to be as popular. Im sure she regrets the blocking and knows she went a lil too far. But we all have our weak moments. Hers are just super public, we are farts in the wind. But , Peace bro , lets hope this doesn’t get out of control x
I have been reading different versions of human history different from the textbooks. It seems that humans have this almost genetic predisposition to see themselves as lower and someone or something else as higher, and we want to grovel and act like lowly slaves in front of anyone “greater”. But it’s something holding us back from evolving, from ascending so it is a huge problem we need to overcome. I just don’t get adults who still buy into this stuff with all this information out there. Got celebrities telling them damn near to their face that they only care about how much money they can spend on them.
Very good video, Thank you. Parasocial relationship, (name of this, "relationship" tells it all, and yes, it is disgusting almost, not with children) but if someone is older it is starting to be creepier, stalker kind of a behavior ,it is almost crazier than playing with a goddamn doll, you are like playing, but with a real human being, with that celebrity, you do not know, at all, you only have an illusion, whatkind of a person you, yourself imagine that celebrity to be like, damn how sick!
I won’t even buy a concert ticket for any artist or buy albums past my membership on Apple Music (my 5.99 a month) (cuz like why am I putting more money in your pockets). So to see these weirdos in these parasocial relationships…. seek help
Survivor has always felt like a diss track to me, so it would be the worst song to use as a parable. Considering it was written after 2 of the original members left the group alleging corruption and being grossly underpaid, the song always left me with a sour aftertaste. It seems to use the pseudo positive language of a mean girl with its strong undertones of venom and condescension. Think, "Oh bless your heart."
In terms of the Beyonce Mass, they don't teach them to worship her. They still are taught to worship GOD. I think you need to meet people where they are and not where you think they should be.
1. Facts 2. Doja brought this specific “fan problem” on herself. Why is no one speaking about how open she was starting out and in her days of fame. Why are people forgetting how severely accessible she made herself when she goes live on IG?. She didn’t create fans, she created stans.
I don't even consider myself a "fan" of anyone, I just enjoy art that people create. Openly being so involved in a stranger's personal life to the point of worship is literally a sin. Stans and anyone else invested in celebs needs mental help, its sad and not a flex that they think.
@angechrisman1694 There is a difference between being a fan of someone work and being a obsessed fan of a celebrity themselves to the point a fan gets upset over any or perceived criticism of the celebrity in question. Get it? Good
