The Winnie the Pooh Horror Movie is Painfully Bad 

they should've gone the yandere route, like the gang gets jealous when Christopher Robin grows up and moves on, so eventually they find him when he has a family and job and life in a small village, and then they slowly kill everyone close to him so they can have him to themselves. would've made WAY more sense.

Whoever thought that a Winnie the Pooh slasher film should be played straight and not an absurdist horror-comedy should be fired

The production company that made this movie is notorious for churning out films in a week with terrible work practices. Myself and several colleagues have been blacklisted from their projects for speaking out against the producer. Any friends of mine that have worked with them will use a fake name for their credit as most industry professionals don't want to know you've worked with this company. They never even planned to make this movie, but the viral success of the initial trailer forced their hand.

I feel like the only way this would've been somewhat interesting is keep Christopher Robin in whole the movie. Let him have to deal with what his friends have become because of him and him having to put them down one by one. They could even have flashbacks to them as kids and how things that he thought back on as good memories have turned into inspiration for pooh and the gang's kills

Grayson: "i hate gore ewwww" Grayson: "PUT HER IN THE WOODCHIPPER!!!"

This movie really really pissed me off too because it just felt like exploiting women’s trauma and the brutalization of women. Like, the entire premise of the girl dealing with trauma due to stalking and harassing just for her to get stalked by fucking winnie the pooh and brutally killed, and then the fact that like 90% of the kills were the women & so many of them were just topless or half naked for no reason. It started feeling like torture porn disguised as “haha twisted childhood nostalgia!!!”

The thing is... I feel like a Winnie the Pooh horror movie could work. Anything can be turned into horror, but it needs a good storyline. Unlike Rule 34, you need a legitimate reason for why what's going on is going on, and this movie almost has that... but falls so friggin' flat right away.

GIRL.. i watched this movie high as a mf KITE.. & not even my lovely friend THC could save this shit show 😭😭

Answering the therapy question, I meet my therapist in person and we sit on couches, but I never lay on it like that, I just sit on it like it's a normal couch

i think horror movies that rely on taking a popular thing from childhood and making it "oooh scary and twisted" is inherently kind of cheap to me. there's actual good horror catered to children but obviously this isnt it. also this movie drives me insane ❤️

My theory for them not using practical blood is that it would have been more expensive than cgi in the long run. With how bad the performances were in the final cut i imagine they had to do a lot of takes in a very short amount of time (another comment said they filmed the whole thing in 10 days so that would check out). So cleaning up an actress that has practical blood splashed all over her to re do the scene would have taken too much time and money when they could just add poor cgi in post.

The UK's got very strict gun laws, which is why none of the characters had them.

Well as old Pooh bear would say "Oh bother!". I like slasher films as much as the next horror nerd, but maybe they could have tried a different approach to a horror reimagining of Winnie the Pooh. Something more subtly psychological, given the strange relationship the animals had canonically with Christopher Robin and less just falling back on gory cliches like a Wrong Turn sequel.

The couch thing is a reference to Freudian methods of therapy, he would have clients lie on the couch and just speak in stream of consciousness. It’s really interesting to learn about, but the couch thing is more tropey now more than used in actual practice

Honestly the idea that Pooh and friends had to eat one of their own to survive is genuinely disturbing

The fact the animals don't know how to hunt for food but DO know how to drive a car is the funniest fucking thing.

i honestly think they shouldve kept christopher robin as a child and made the whole origin story the source of the horror. like maybe he meets the animals but they’re not as nice as they were in the childrens book version or something??

the animated intro felt promising. like i feel like if it were part animated and had a classic winnie the pooh style narrator throughout and if it kept up a general dark tone instead of a generic slasher tone-it could have had potential.

I watched this with friends. We thought it was going to be funny/silly but uh...the misogyny was a JUMPSCARE tbh 😭

the movie would've been good or at least better if the little prologue animation in the beginning was the movie, but no, it HAD to be a slasher film

Yep as soon as Winnie the Pooh went into the public domain they popped out this horror movie. I remember Abraham Lincoln Vampire Hunter a good movie in my opinion but since then I've seen a number of these movies that are almost like fanfic. I remember watching one not too long ago I believe is called Pride and Prejudice and Zombies.

Me and my mom saw it in theaters and even the person that checks your tickets was like “yeah it looks really bad”😭

"I've been cursed" is such a wild way to open a video love that energy

the acting is so painfully bad💀

Winnie the Pooh saying one of the best movie lines ever with "You left..."

So as a student of psychology, I'd like to weigh in on the couch thing. :) Traditionally, the couch is most associated with classical psychoanalysis (The traditional Freudian methodology, and my personal preference for treatment.) The idea was to keep the therapist a completely blank slate upon which the analysand could project as they needed to. If working out daddy issues, they might project their father upon the analyst. By not seeing them, it makes that easier. In addition, it prevents the analysand from seeing their facial expressions and potentially reacting. Later methods, such as Cognitive Behavioral therapy, don't use the couch as the role of the therapist is inherently different. In addition, some analysts have dispensed with the couch or leave it to the patient to decide.

I went to therapy a couple of years ago, and I wanted to lay down like the trope you pointed out, but I felt awkward doing it 💀

it could've worked if they went full camp route, but then they decided to play everything straight and *that's* what we got 💀

OH MY GOODNESS. I was SO happy when you talked about the WGA strikes. It's a really important message that I think more people desperately need to know about. I find that I hear about these workers guilds and the subsequent terrible treatment of creatives because I follow a lot of professionals in the animation industry, so it really bugs me when people throw creatives under the bus whilst critiquing movies or studios, without acknowledging the genuinely abysmal problems that they have to face. I am so glad you mentioned this.

Well first of all…….you look great. Second of all, this movie was gonna be a shit show since they announced it. No way people thought this would work out well. Especially using character based from a children’s book.

18:59 Trust me sister! Ryke Waterfield, the Director literally made a number of movies with plots that made no sense. The "Killing Tree" being a Chucky knock off, had the killer kill his own girlfriend, and then later in the movie he blames his victim for her death despite the fact he did it himself. Seriously, Waterfield should not be a film director

Annoyed + Bored = Annored. You have improved the experience of watching this movie immensely!

also like, in the context of the movie what the fuck are even the animals. because clearly they're not toys, not actual animals, they're just some random dudes in masks like in no way does it make sense they really didn't even try. didn't cristopher robin find that a bit fucking weird or sumn

I was on tour with the Winnie the Pooh stage show the month before the movie came out, and the cast had an entire plan to go see Blood and Honey in theaters to laugh at its absurdity. But, when it came out it was playing in so few theatres we never got the chance since it was never playing near our hotels/venues 😅

As someone who’s gone to like 4 different therapists in person before, most only had chairs in the room and if they did have a couch I just sat normally on it. I suppose I could’ve lied down on the couch but it’s not like they tell you to so it would seem weird to me. I think it’s a trope maybe it used to happen more in the past but sitting in a comfortable chair is usually the norm.

When I used to do in-person therapy, my therapist had a couch! I was never comfy enough to just lay down on it but I did sit and lounge on it during sessions! Also, watching this was so fun with you! It felt like watching a movie with a friend :’)

They didn't even try with the designs of Pooh and gang but I'm p sure the budget was two dollars and whatever they had in their pocket

This movie makes "Jason Takes Manhattan" and "Hellraiser: Hellworld" look like Masterpiece Theater.

I assume the therapy couch thing is a hangover from the days of Sigmund Freud (although I'm not sure if he personally used them). I was deeply disappointed when I had a counselling session and there wasn't a couch. I think it was a big part of the reason that I didn't go back, tbh.

I remember I always sat normally in therapy without thinking about it, then was reminded of the "laying on the couch in therapy" thing and I suddenly felt super self-conscious every session that I was the only patient not lying down for therapy and my therapist thought I was a weirdo, but also that suddenly starting to lay down would weirder, especially if I was wrong. I didn't bring this up with her of course, because I didn't want her to think anything was wrong with me, right?

I think the premise could have worked like if Christopher Robin chose to leave Winnie and the group after like creating them with magic or something, and then they go crazy because they lost purpose and stuff and it can kinda go into the psychological aspect of what leaving people behind can have on them or something

As someone that's been seeing therapists ever since i was 6 (so for about 16 years now), the lying down on the couch is bs!!! I know it can happen but it's absolutely not the norm 😭 i have seen therapists that had couches, but i was never told i cold lay down like that on them?!?! In hypnotherapy yes, but not in regular therapy! (But maybe it's a cultural thing? I'm French, so I don't knkw about therapy etiquette in othwr countries lmao)

the animal masks are so bad to me... pooh doesn't even LOOK like a bear, what are we looking at😭

Why didn't they make it more of a anger/abandonment issue. Like why starvation?? Like what did they do before he came?

This movie gives me the ick tbh. I get that the whole “group of conventionally attractive women get picked off by the killer” thing is a pretty common sleazy trope, but something about the way this movie approaches it feels… extremely exploitative. Especially with the whole subplot about the one girl being stalked and sexually harassed, it’s drawn out affects the character in a really… weird fetishy way, I’m not a fan of the vibes at all. Edit: Realizing it’s DEFINITELY more than just that, also the fact that the only survivor is a guy and all of the most graphic kills were women. Not to mention the random half-naked woman they “rescue” only to instantly die later and how weirdly fetishy the torture scenes feel. It really goes beyond sleazy tropes and into some genuinely disturbing territory.

The house you said was scary as shit made me laugh. That’s just a typical old fashioned cottage in the UK. When I’ve been on holidays we’ve stayed in places almost identical. I’ve always found them super peaceful and never got scary vibes from them! It’s interesting to see how different someone’s perspective when they’re not used to something.

I used to go to therapy in person, we are NOT kicking on the couch😭 I would sit and nervously crochet or pick at my nail polish on a little arm chair, idk whose comfortable enough to fully lay down lmao

WHY ARE YOU DOING THIS!!!!!???? WHY ARE YOU DOING THIS!!!!!!!!??????? POOH!!!!!!!!!! WHY ARE YOU DOING THIS!!!!!!!!!!??????????

so....the imaginary friends can drive....but stayed in the woods....drive yo ass to target and pick up some groceries THE FUCK?!

grayson being constantly confused as to why nobody has a gun made me giggle

okay so my brother is an actor. he's actually mates with a guy who's mates with the guy who made this movie. they were aware it was gonna be bad, but even they didn't expect it to be THIS bad. my brother's friend is an actor who isn't in this movie BUT is a quite commen actor amongst these exploitation cheapo schlock pictures. he has fun with it. it's an easy check and they're always a blast to make and star in. i love b-movies. can't wait for this to enter the public domain in thirty years.

Wait what I thought her turning around and yelling to someone while in the gas station was going to be clever, like she's pretending she's not alone when she meets a creepy dude, but THERE WERE ACTUALLY OTHER PEOPLE IN THE CAR??

How did the one girl have a phone to take selfies with? I thought they all agreed to the infamous phone basket...

I saw this movie opening night (because I love cheesy Slashers) and I actually walked out halfway through. The there was something so Deeply Unsettling that is made me physically sick. Upon reflection it was Sexism. The way all the girls are killed in some sexy way (Shirtless, biki, hogtied) was SO BAD. I KNOW some steamy tension in horror movies is normal; this was NOT normal

Tigger apparently high-tailed tf out of there early. Unless Tigger is a Disney-only thing? Maybe rich people get their therapy laying down on a couch, but I never have. It might just be something they used to do that eventually just became a trope, yeah. Like, maybe a Freudian thing that isn’t really practiced anymore.

the couch thing is a trope, nobody does that most therapists just have cushioned chairs, even then i think i’ve been to one with a couch but it didn’t seem right to lay down given the conversations

benson is sending u good vibes and i’m praying to the moon for u

No.... No one lays down during therapy? Most places have chairs and a couch, so that there is the option, but WHO lays down during therapy?

Commenting to give our queen a W in this L day. Stay strong Grayson 💪💪

I feel like there could have been other options to pull: 1.) have Winnie the Pooh and friends not be stereotypical slasher villains. If they take the route of the Woodland Critters from South Park, it’s possible to make something cute and cuddly terrifying. I mean, the critters are presented as cute and cuddly and turn out to be blood thirsty (and albeit stereotypical) Satanists. It’s possible to put that twist on Pooh and friends, if you put thought and care into the story and script. 2.) have the other group be friends with Christopher Robin with Christopher Robin in the picture. There are a lot of theories that the animals have certain personality traits. In some ways, they could be parallels to the animals in behaviors, creating jealousy amongst the animals. 3.) do not give all of the background at the beginning. That’s just wasting your currency. Sure, tell the story how Christopher Robin made friends and had to leave, but leave the animals’ fates up in the air. Hint at it throughout the movie before the big reveal. I.e. hint at Eeyore’s gravestone, the desolation of the place, etc. 4.) for the love of God, it shouldn’t be so SERIOUS. Winnie the Pooh. Horror. How can someone take that seriously?! 5.) creative kills as a slasher. If you have Winnie and friends as different and unique characters, you can create creative kills. 6.) honestly, probably change the setting/time period. So, the movie Christopher Robin sets in it in the 1950’s, when he is a grown adult. But also, certain practices and norms were different in those days, so the absence from him could be more significant. Going off to boarding school as a young boy in the 30’s-50’s is a bit of a bigger absence, especially in comparison to going to college in the modern day (especially if you go to college in state). And in that case, Christopher Robin’s friends are probably boarding school or college friends. And on top of that, less chances of outside contact (no mobile phones, computers, etc.) 7.) smarter characters and motivations. Like you mentioned with the lead woman, she probably wouldn’t stop at a decrepit gas station with her trauma. Just a few thoughts on maybe what I would do if approaching this story. Have the storybook feel, but make it horrifying and absurd. Edit- I will say, I had a peeping incident that shook me up a bit to the point where one night, as I was going to bed, I swore that the guy was outside my window as I thought I saw a hand outside the window between the curtains. That being said- bit of a different circumstance and set up.

This and Arthur and the Minimoys both got a bad horror movie. What’s next? Bob the builder? Caillou? Reading rainbow!?

me: omg gays??!?!!? LET'S GO LESBIANS movie: *murks lesbians*

I was in in-person therapy for many years as a kid, and even when it was at an actual office (ie, I went to them instead of them coming to me) there was never a couch. I always assumed the couch trope was just when adults went to therapy, and kids simply got other furniture lmao? IDK that's just my experience tho

Im glad I can’t see the gore because I can’t handle gore that well, but my curiosity also can’t handle it

11:45 About the therapy couch: it is a thing, but it's not about lounging during your session. The therapist wouldn't be sitting behind a desk in full view of the patient: they would be sitting on a chair behind the patient's head. The point of this method, to the best of my knowledge, is so the patient feels like they aren't talking to a specific person, so it's imperative that they can't see the therapist when they're lying down. I don't know the whole theory behind it, but I tried it for a few months with a previous therapy. (It's hard. I often tried to turn around and look at her at the start) Also, most people today, as far as I know, don't do it. Most therapist's office usually have a couch both for tradition and if they want to try that approach, and it can help, especially if you're talking about embarrassing or shameful things. So it is a trope, in the sense that a lot of movies do this for whatever reason, and most of them don't even understand why (and how) it's done in real life, as this movie proves. Also, as far as I know, the therapist sitting behind a desk in itself is a big no-no, because it creates a barrier between therapist and patient. Note: All I said I learned from many years of therapy, with several therapists, so if I said something wrong, feel free to correct me, but please be kind. Thanks.

this seems like it was made for fetish content, like woman trapped in house and killed. esp the traumatized one

I watched this movie on "opening night," as in, it was the only night it was playing in my area. We went it knowing that it was going to be terrible. It was much better than expected. However, it was extremely flawed. The budget was really small and was filmed in 10 days. I loved the concept of using the characters. I think due to Disney being super strict and extremely trigger-happy with their copyright/intellectual property claims writers likely had a limited amount of creative freedoms with the characters, the other characters will be entering the public domain in the future, which may lead to a sequel (which I'm looking forward too). The author of Winnie the Pooh, A. A Milne, is originally from the UK, however the bear itself originates from White River, Ontario, Canada (the only reason I know this is because I've driven through the place twice and it is its only real claim to fame).

You getting mildly jumpscared by the music is hilarious 😭

they forgot kanga and roo! :(

as someone who goes to therapy in person, there is a couch, but i just sit up, laying down seems awkward

Just for reference, UK ‘college’ isn’t the same as American college. You go to college from 16-18, right after high school, and then to University which is more like American college. Also we don’t have guns in the UK, or like it’s extremely uncommon. I’ve never even seen a gun in real life.

Thank you SO much for talking about residuals with the writers strike. Most people I've seen mentioning it are talking about AI, but this is incredibly important

When you lay on the couch i think it’s not like just normal therapy, it’s psychoanalysis where you’re not supposed to have eyecontact with the therapist/psychologist and so you lay on the couch and stare up at the ceiling instead

i’ve been going to therapy for the past 8yrs and have had multiple therapists and they had couches but i definitely never laid down on one. I can’t rly imagine anyone doing that irl tbh 😭

12:04 ive been to in-person therapy, they did have couches but i don’t think they like… ask you to lay in them specifically, my current therapist (who used to be in-person but is now online) just asked me to sit in whatever way was comfortable

The couch thing is common in psychoanalysis, but psychoanalysis is rarely used today because it is based on Sigmund Freuds theories and there is no evidence that it actually helps people. In the therapies we use today the patient does not usually lay down on a couch, you just sit face to face with each other, usually with a small table between the two of you.

This movies worst crime was that they ATE EYORE!! Unforgivable ‼️‼️

11:50 when i was going to therapy I NEVER laid on the couch. Both my therapist and I would be sitting on the chair and couch, respectively, every session

That animated intro was actually pretty freaking cool.

As someone who used to go to therapy irl, i can confirm that it's nothing like that at alll, i also don't think it even professional! From my experience, It's just a regular old office (large desk with two chairs in front and a small table between them) but depending on the clinic you go to, it could feel like any hospital office or it could be a nice cozy office.

winnie the pooh here just looks like a guy who put on a mask and be done with it

I'm gonna be completely honest, the movie would have been much, much scarier if they had kept the stuffed toys aspect and less of an animals going rabid and looking humanoid kind of thing. Think of it as toys getting upset that they were 'abandoned' for a few years and losing their child-like demeanor for something more scarred and aggressive.

i've had many therapists and none of them encouraged me to lay down. some of them had couches but it didn't feel appropriate to lay down so i never tried.

Future social worker here, I’ve never had client lay on a sofa. I also don’t take notes during the session either with a clipboard or laptop lol.

A note about laying on the couch in therapy : it’s not at all common anymore but it used to be a part of a therapy method called ‘Freudian analysis’, where the client would lay facing away from their therapist. Freud himself said it was partly because he hated being stared at, but some also believe it allowed for someone opening up more easily, if they weren’t looking directly at the psychologist. Personally, my therapist and I do face each other so, I think movies haven’t caught up yet 😂

We need more Grayson watches random horror movie. Get that Shudder and Screambox ad revenue 👻

Bro why does pooh literally look like xi jinping when he smiles? Hes so creepy 😭

"theres less of you now. so there would be more room" i am CRYING.

lol every therapy session I've been to, I'm sitting in a chair facing my psychologist who is also sitting nearby. Usually the chair is a cushy one and I'm basically in a tiny sitting room. The "lying on the couch" thing comes from the "free association" psychoanalysis approach to therapy (which, fun fact, is so lacking in evidence for its effectiveness that you can lose your licence as a psych for practising it in Australia) where people would sit or lie on a couch and stare at a blank wall and start talking about whatever comes to mind. And then the psychologist interprets it.

Genuine answer: in psychoanalysis, originally, you're supposed to be laying down and also not seeing the analyst, this relates to the position of sleep, so your unconscious is supposedly more accesible. Some therapists do this, some don't. I really recommend non-zoom analysis, if you have the chance. Like in person, it's a whooole different thing, coming from someone who's done both.

Just to answer your couch therapy question, I have been to many many therapists over the past 15 years and I've never laid on the couch. They usually have a couch, but I just sit on it. Though I imagine they wouldn't get upset if I did lay on it. Just my personal experience.

For the therapy question, from what I’ve learned, this is something I think Freud invented? He believed that the patient should be lying down, and the therapist should be behind or beside them, so that the like “negative thoughts and feelings” could leave the body undisturbed. I don’t know how true this is, I took the class I learnt it in three years ago so I could be remembering it wrong. It’s not something people do much anymore I think. When I’ve been in therapy irl we’ve been sitting in armchairs in front of each other.

Me: oh this opening illustration part is pretty good Me 2 seconds later: o h nevermjnd

I've been to multiple different therapist's offices, sessions with 1-4 people involved, and no one has EVER laid down. The chairs are typically quite comfy. From what I've seen the most important thing is choices, so people can sit how they're comfortable, so there's usually a loveseat/couch and 1 or 2 separate chairs.

I think the fake blood might be hard to clean up maybe? Maybe they didn’t want to have to reset the costumes and things?

LMAOOOO I started therapy last year and I literally thought I was gonna go in and lay down, it was never even mentioned as an option. I’m sure I could’ve if I wanted to but it would’ve felt awkward as hell 😭

not a professional but I imagine when it comes to the cg blood, they probably didn't have the ok from the land/building owners and the cleanup would have likely been too costly/difficult. I assume it would have also been too costly to spend the extra to recreate sections of the location for practical use, all considering whatever time constraints they had🤷🏼 unfortunate because good practical effects can really be the only thing that saves dumpsterfires like this

FINALLY SOMEONE IS TALKING ABOUT THIS MOVIE

I've been going to different therapists on and off in person since I was in middle school. not once have I sprawled out on a couch lmao. always sitting up.

they had a suspicious amount of thinly clothed women being tied up, someone in the writers room clearly had a bondage kink