That was actually good justification from Ieyasu on tearing down the defenses of Osaka Castle with out causing another all out war immediately, "It is a time of peace, these are no longer needed." And being the guy in charge, you can't exactly argue with that logic.
Post Winter Siege negotiations in a nutshell: Ieyasu: "I am altering the deal. Pray I do not alter it any further." Hideyori: "This deal is getting worse all the time."
It's also possible that Tokugawa Ieyasu gave them such a raw peace deal *because the Sanadas' earned a rep for double-crossing peace deals like in Ueda I and II* . He knew the Sanadas couldn't be trusted when holding a fortified position.
@@christianalbertjahns2577 Old man Masayuki managed to prevent his family being wiped-out by the winning side by sending his sons to fight for both sides. Ieyasu had every right to wipe out that family but because Masayuki's other son Nobuyuki was his retainer he couldn't do that.
Turtling up in Osaka was a big mistake, they made themselves sitting ducks. Ieyasu and even Hidetada learned from their previous encounters with the Sanada by resorting to cannon bombardement which eventually payed off. I actually find it kind of poetic that Ieyasu didn’t keep his end of the deal, cause Masayuki Sanada often did the same thing. Basically he pulled a ‘Masayuki’ over Hideyori and also Nobushige/Yukimura.
Well, he pulled a "Masayuki" over Yodo-dono and Ono Harunaga. Yukimura knew too well that peace treat was a total trap. If It weren't by Yodo-dono's pressure, the bombardment wouldn't have had success either. The big mistake wasn't staying in Osaka, the big mistake was to trust Ieyasu and thinking he was willing to let Toyotomi at peace.
Looking at The Shimabara rebellion failure, I think its only matter of time before Odaka fall.. With or without Yodo-Dono intervention Japan in general at that time really has no desire to plunge into another Sengoku just to satisfy Hideyori's desire fornanother change of regime
If I was a Toyotomi strategist, I would be laughing hysterically at the castle walls coming down, I should have seen that coming, yes that wasn't part of the deal, but following the Shogunate was, so if he made an official decision to destroy the walls, we are powerless to do anything
The fact that Hideyori had 100000 samurai defending him and choose to negotiate is mind boggling. I understand that they were still outnumbered but still, defending a castle is much easier than attacking one as we saw throughout the series. Hideyori gave up too easily and he was naive to believe that Ieyasu would keep his word.
You actually don't want a whole bunch of people as the defender in a siege. Castles are designed to be effectively garrisoned with as few people as possible because the whole point is for them to be a force multiplier for that small garrison so that you don't have to commit large forces for defense. Everyone beyond that is simply an extra mouth to feed, shortening the time the castle can hold out. Toyotomi Hideyoshi himself exploited this principle at the siege of Tottori, driving civilians into the castle to hasten the defenders' starvation. As for defending a castle being easier than attacking one, that's kind of true in a vacuum. But the reality is that you will never win by simply sitting in your castle. They work because attackers typically don't have the luxury of waiting out the defenders. But when there are no external reinforcing armies that could potentially break the siege and the besieging force is in complete control of the surrounding area to the extent that supplies are no issue, holing up in a castle like this becomes a prolonged suicide. It's precisely why the Hojo had zero chance of success against Hideyoshi's siege of Odawara. There was no mechanism by which they were ever going to drive off the besiegers, no condition they could meet to achieve victory. And the same was true for Osaka. Their only chance for success was going on the offensive. The instant Tokugawa's forces were allowed besiege the castle, the outcome was decided.
It goes without saying that, to be a leader during wartime, you need to be ruthless to a degree. Ieyasu understands this, but Hideyori does not. That was the fatal flaw in the Toyotomi camp; they decided to be reactive, rather than proactive. Had they followed the advice of Mototsugu and Yukimura, things could very well have turned out differently. Next time, the Second Siege of Osaka, and a legend is born.
I sadly did not wake in time to make the premiere. However, as always your excellent narration brought this episode to life in a almost cinematic manner. Although, I knew the broad strokes of this battle, it is your attentional to detail, and how the personalities of the combatants played their parts in the resulting actions and negotiations. I cannot wait for part ll.
Keep in mind ladies and gentlemen, the Shogunate army commanded by Tokugawa Hidetada (in actuality commanded by Ieyasu from behind the scenes) I believe at the time were composed of young individuals who know nothing of warfare, including commanding daimyo sent their own troops to occupy key areas close to defensive networks cannot be taken. Also, veteran warriors like Masamune Date, Kagekatsu Uesugi and other Tozama based clans cannot be relied from the Tokugawa not only their political resentment(s) but in my opinion, their conspiratorial dialogues with the enemy before the siege and simultaneously, using the event as an opportunity to expand their own ambitions whatever the cost. Finally on the Toyotomi side, not all are enthusiastic of following Hideyoshi’s legacy but desiring personal retribution against Ieyasu, enriching their lifestyles and a woman shouldn’t be a commanding figure that restraining warmongering combatants are difficult, especially if some are outlaws.
The amount of information you give us is astonishing. Your hard work and dedication are evident in this series. Congratulations.. a lifelong fan and student of your channel. Thank you so much 🙏🏻
Dude, i LOVE your channel. I have always loved history, personally my area of interest has always been Middle Eastern history. But Far Eastern history has always highly intrigued me as well I just haven't had very great sources available to me. You do SUCH a great job with this channel my dude. You should start a patreon i would be more than happy to donate. Seriously this has become my favorite RU-vid channel I've watched every single one of your videos on genpei war, setting the stage, and sengoku jidai and when I realized today that you're still working on finishing up the SJ i was sooooo sad because I've been straight binging your videos lol. Anyway very much looking forward to you next video i HAVE to know what happens to Hideiori and how Tokugawa decides to deal with him. Also i was sooooo heartbroken for Sanada Sr. That he had to end his life in exile with his boy. You do such a great job of character development: i get so attached to the samurai of various clans you detail. Anyway thanks for everything man you deserve like an award or something lol Much love from Ohio ❤️
Even though I already know what's going to happen as a whole, your narration brings me back every time. I have to ask though, will you cover the Shimabara rebellion as I think it is not discussed as much as I thought it would be.
At that pace, Tokugawa forces wouldn't have succeed in taking Osaka Castle. Yodo-dono was not suit to being a high commander. I would have supported Gotou Matabei's propose to make Yukimura the supreme commander. There are some other stories about Siege of Osaka: I've read that when Ieyasu knew for the first time a Sanada entered Osaka Castle to aid Toyotomi, Ieyasu trembled when asked the messenger "Which Sanada? The father, or the son?". He just feared the Sanada that much, especially Masayuki. Other stories says that Ieyasu would actually try to talk to Yukimura to convince him to change sides, that Ieyasu would even give him the entire Shinano province to domain (not only that would have meant to return to Ueda, but also being lord of a gigantic province, the former territory of the Takeda), but Yukimura declined those offers. Yukimura's loyalty is legendary. I think this battle was not a great victory for Ieyasu. Yes, he succeeded at making the Toyotomi loyalists to surrender, but again, that was because Yodo-dono had almost the last word. If Yukimura or any of the most pro-war commanders were in full charge, a peace treat wouldn't have been possible, and thus, a successful siege by Tokugawa part either. The narration in this video was the best! It made the already epic Siege of Osaka even more epic! The pauses, the emotional introduction, the cliffhanger, the words of awesomeness used... Brilliant!
Iieyasu ensured the defeat of the Toyotomi and all it's defenders through the act of peace. Essentially making his life easier when he had to come back and finish the job.
Hearing the opening is a proof that we've come so far into the end of the sengoku jidai journey. Get ready to open a new page I guess. Anyway good narrating, really love how you summed up
I will wait for the video that explains the social order differences between the Tokugawa Shogunate and the Ashikaga one if you finally decide to make it🤩 Most of the time people focus on the battles or "palace politics" alone, but since I learned about the strict social class system and other social rules(I think that he stated that people can't even leave his province?) that Tokugawa created I always wondered how Ashikaga one was and his differences in that regard. I couldn't find anyone talking about that in contrast with the other, only about Tokugawa one. Hope my english is understandable xD Thanks for answering me in the video btw!
Really interesting topic buddy. I'd love to see an in-depth look at the differences. (I think basically the Ashikaga jut left the very loose social structure of their era chug along, but i could well be wrong).
Well on your way to 200k! Great work on all of your videos, but you can tell there's been a climb in quality as well. Not that the previous videos were low rent by any means.👍
Yukimura: Okay hear me out, I have a bold new idea no one has ever tried before*: what if moved our forces to stop Ieyasu from entering Kansai somewhere near where the Nakasendo enters Omi Province? *Anegawa, Shizugatake, Sekigahara
It would have work if only they had a unified teamwork but knowing yododono was one of those who had cause troubles and decisions during that time it wouldn't 😂
the great enemies of the Three Great unifiers. For Nobunaga it was Warrior Monks, for Hideyoshi it was a combination of angry Koreans and his own ego and for Ieyasu it was a whole freaking Clan.
Man so you’re telling me the samurai were brave enough to charge the enemy at night after a full bombardment but just watch as the enemy fills in the castle after ceasefire negotiations. Man these guys must’ve been pretty warred out by this point. Just doesn’t smell right
Are you going to make a video about different Japanese defensive structures and what they were called and how they were used? Like the different structures of a castle, walls, mots, towers, traps, food storage, sleeping quarters, and maybe som things that they did stop using that did not workout well?
Every time I hear the song I'm expecting the narrator from Samurai Warriors, i think I play way to much Samurai Warriors if the prelude theme is that dang memorable to me.
I would be interested to know how castles were besieged in general. Cannons were rare obviously, but was mining the walls, too? It was commonly used in European sieges, too.
Man, talk about a violent midlife crisis. Most people just want to move to the coast and sip booze until they pass away in their armchair. Maybe try that next time.
Have you considered doing a video on William Adams? I just watched a Kings and Generals video on him, but with your expertise I think it'd be a good one 🙌
while it is fooling to just sit in a castle and let the enemy have free reign outside Yukimura's plan was idiotic, they had 100k, Tokugawa had 200k, he wanted to not only leave their defensive position but then split his army so that a small contingent of maybe 20k would block the road Tokugawa's army came down and the rest would go siege down Tokyo. how long could that army hold off Tokugawa's 200k army? a day? a couple days? is he expecting to take down the capital that easily? they would have been sandwiched between a castle and 200k troops if they had followed his advice. he should have taken 20-30k of the army and split it into smaller armies and have them roam outside the castle, raiding supplies, hitting isolated parts of the enemy army etc.
That plan makes no sense, it totally depends on coincidence. Especially attacking Kyoto is so risky it could backfire and change everything. It is admirable effort but they really don't have much chance to begin with. I think only thing change the tide could be Ieyasu's untimely death.
Hidetada : See Naotaka , the day will be a great one for me. What's in front of me ? Some small number of people holding a miserable and weak fort with many odd looking flags and some 6 coins flag. Naotaka: why our soldiers are running towards us? Hidetada: wait a minute 6 coins flag !! Run he would kill us like he did 15 yrs ago . Run for your life
Tokugawa was always about the bigger picture. I wouldn't be surprised if he had his own rise planned out as far back as his Alliance with Oda Nobunaga.
@@supersasukemaniac it was alleged that Oda Nobunaga’s death is orchestrated by either Toyotomi Hideyoshi or Tokugawa Ieyasu with Akechi Mitsuhide as the patsy
Its kind of interesting to me and im sure there is a cultural explanation at the time how a side facing overwhelming odds wouldn't ask for support from western powers at the time.
I mean, which ones were even present in any meaningful way? By this point, contact between Japan and Western powers had been more and more restricted for decades.
lovely as always. thanks for making this whole series ♥ very well detailed, not like those shtty documanteries (talking to you age of samurai). bro what do you think about theory of kenshin being a woman? i searched a lot about it, many evidence but it seems that its not taken seriously, what is your opinion on this
Just like the Oda supporting the Toyotomi loyalists, it's also surprising for the Chosokabe to side with the Toyotomi in this, for absolutely no rational sense of incentive at all. They had little to gain here and everything to lose, one one hand. On the other hand, it was Hideyoshi that had shattered Chosokabe Motochika's life's work od dominating whole of Shikoku. So why did his son join with the Toyotomi here?
“Why is it always Sanada Yukimura who is harassing me at every turn? As far as I’m concerned, my record against the Sanada Clan is 0-2! I gotta bounce back and beat that brat once and for all!” -Tokugawa Ieyasu
@@CheskaReyes91. just when Ieyasu thought he had the Toyotomi cornered… “My name is Sanada Yukimura! As long as I’m standing, the Toyotomi shall never fall! Behold, the formidable defense of the Osaka Castle and the legacy of the Toyotomi, SANADA MARU!”
@@michaelbandada9887 mitsunari could have won if only he treat his fellow officers right only sakon was his greatest strategist and his victory over kuisegawa is because of sakon as well. He had quarrel with Yoshihiro shimazu as well and officers namely hideaki kobayakawa 😆😂 that's why he lose on sekigahara
@@CheskaReyes91. Mitsunari is more of a desk jockey than a front line warrior while Ieyasu has countless experiences in battle and he had the distinction of fighting against Nobunaga (as an Imagawa lackey) and Hideyoshi (as a rival and contender for control of the land)
@@michaelbandada9887 true mitsunari was not a shogun he was a bureaucrat which most of the samurai are disapprove and skeptic during that time but his talented when it comes to numbers and he was hideyoshi financial adviser 😂
Just goes to show that Ieyasu although I prefer Tokugawa over Toyotomi is not to be trusted plus he was scared of Yukimura who yet again layed the smackdown on his troops to make it Sanada 3 Tokugawa 0, I look forward to the next video.
Hideyori should had just played dumb til Ieyasu died a year or 2 later while building influence then used family influence and Masanori and others to restore their power
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