The Witch Trials of J.K. Rowling | ContraPoints 

We missed you mother

yeah it is sorry

Yes

Yes

Technically

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Took her a while to read it

Forreal!!!

I didn't think she was serious.

Amen

They've internalized the misogyny 😢

like do they think all people want to pro-create and that's all were meant to do?💀

@@warrencaelum9536 from texas. yes. that is what they think womanhood is all about.

@@muchadoaboutninjas2659 We should just nuke Texas at this point. Sure, there's a lot of good people there, but sometimes you have to amputate a limb if it's beyond saving.

You are now officially a man in the TERFs eyes. Even though trans men don't exist. You still are one.

gestation period

No, Natalie! Don’t do it!!!

She was not joking lol

After he committed assault

​@jrrrrr5662 a pie to the face against a bigot is not a serious assualt. The sexual harassment in the mail on the other hand was disgusting.

@@alexobery9813 because it's so disgusting that people wrote hate mail to Adolf Hitler, right?

@@jrrrrr5662i wouldnt deny that, but no one seemed to care even back then. she deserved it x10 imo. it looked like it hurt though. maybe give him a day or few in jail

​@@jrrrrr5662Im deeply sorry for u if u think a pie on the face is assault. Must be a boring life. Hope u get better!

@@antynvejil6285 JFK? Really?

Is it bad that I forgot already about Anita in context of the video and immediately thought of Sarkisian who also paid dearly for expressing her views 😅

If anyone has trouble imagining what it must be like for Anita to lose out on career prospects, just ask all the LGBT people she tried to have forcefully removed from their jobs, they could tell you.

I feel like I remember Jesus more often than bigots who happen to be Christian do, and I just respect his carpentry and general non-violent vibes; they think he's literally omniscient Dude probably got it a BIT worse than Anita. To be fair, blinding, idiotic hatred is a totally valid excuse for forgetting the messianic figure you worship who preached loving your neighbor and not casting stones.

Like contra said, I wish I could be so privileged that the worst case of persecution for people like me I could think of was losing a few acting gigs and getting pied in the face. What a life that’d be.

my favorite parts is after that where they watch schindlers list together to understand demonizing people only brings forth left wing propagandist that kill in the millions (hitler mao stalin)

If you're a member of a cult that is spouting an ideology which is illogical, incoherent, and unscientific and encourages the grooming, and chemical and surgical mutilation of children you should expect people to demand you explain yourselves. No debate isn't an option for you, certainly not as a long-term strategy.

The Death Eaters, after participating in an invigorating yet polite debate with the Order of the Phoenix, decided not to continue murdering Muggles and imprisoning Muggle-borns

@@michellegodwin6567 Then they went into gender-affirming care. I hear they're doing really well there.

The bit you miss though is that the death eaters weren't trying ti have a debate (although defeating their ideas and views publicly IS a crucial part in defeating them, thwre is a reason the nazis burned books that they didnt agree with- to prevent people reading them. Its ultimately why groups like the blackshirts here in the uk never really got a foothold because their views were defeated publicly. The death eaters in the books start off using tactics of intimidation and silencing dissenting voices. Thus using violence against them is not unreasonable. Meanwhile someone like jk rowling ultimately isn't trying to stop others speaking their mind and that is the fundamental difference.

Depends on what you mean by "life"

​@@ziglaus nah, even in the metaphorical sense, people have plenty reason to be angry about their life being at stake. If you're not a little angry then you're not paying attention.

it is always okay to be angry about injustice. no matter who it's happening to.

Never apologize for being angry when you have every right to be.

Absolutely. I'm 48 and quite articulate, but that statement blew me away. I could never match that

God, your comment made me cry, probably of how close to home it hit to home... It is wild to me how there are women out there that still prefer having a strong man (possibly a fascist one too) to protect them from the other crazed women than to stand together with all women against everything we are up against. Trans rights are human rights. By definition, no one is equal until everyone is equal.

Exactly, they wanna protect children? Then why do they try so hard to defend the proven predators in politics, religion, education? It’s so thinly vague, it’s not even comedic.

This is the heart of the matter my love--- we need each other so much, we can't be at odds!! We'll never build a safer world unless its together. It boggles my mind imagining saying that... women don't have various experiences of being in women's bodies. Some of us are black, some of us disabled, some of us queer, some not... some of us were born with male gametes. It really doesn't matter. We're sisters.

Love love love this comment. Thanks so much to you and to all the cis women who have welcomed us transfemmes into womanhood. Not a day goes by that I don't feel privileged to be in your company.

Men

I prefer Griffith over AIDS tbh.

What about a movement to torture babies and puppies and kittens to death slowly using fire. Would AIDS still be worse than that?

its so unbelievably fucked

ofc they preferred aids, it killed people they didnt like

"I miss the times when the people i hated were dying quietly, now they're all ~alive~ and ~fighting for rights~. I miss the old days" - someone who is totally not a bigot

Ok this made me do a little cackle 😂

He did go full Floridian

@@JenSell1626 he was orange before, Now are you going to hate oranges? are just looking to hate anything that don't fit yours ideas?

@@CorinaTamez-Hibbard yes I’m gonna go plant my flower garden h8fully right now, in fact!

Friere's ideas are fucking terrible and have destroyed our education system.

Acho que isso é o sonho da maioria de qlq forma

Also fun fact: Stephen King liked the Harry Potter books and hated the Twilight books. In both your fact and mine, Stephen King was in the right.

In fairness, if your identity as woman is based on your experience of your physical body, then "trans women are women" is a direct attack on your identity (in just the same way that "women have penises" attacks trans women whose identity's as women are based on their social experience of gender).

wtf i had no clue he was this unfathomably based????

NONO theres *more steps* to this story than just that, and its *much funnier* In 2020, before Rowling had entirely gone off the deep end, Stephen King retweeted some innocuous out of context tweet in an anti trans thread she made. JKR clearly took this as King wholesale endorsing her beliefs, and wrote the worlds most sycophantic, fangirlish tweet praising him and *comparing herself to the obsessive stalker fangirl from his novel Misery,* because she was seemingly just so so relieved to find out someone else on her level is on her side. People then asked King if he actually meant that, and whether hes actually transphobic, and thats when he said trans women are women, and *thats* when she deleted her tweet and blocked him. You cant tell this story and ignore how pathetic she acted when she thought she had an ally lmao

@@jordanai Yeah right I just read up on it, earlier he retweeted a feminist tweet of her, she said how she loved it that he supports her, then someone asked him to clarify about what he thinks about her comments on trans people and he said "Yes. Trans women are women". And minutes later she deletes her praise of him and blocks him. 😂

It's odd how radicals like Maya claim nonbinary and non-het icons like Tala are sexualizing children.. when these radicals try sexualizing the characters themselves. It shouldn't matter about how Tala is who they are, they're a wonderful icon, inclusive to all.

Maya's rant about tala is the perfect embodiment of "i think you're mad about something else"

Sorry, I only respect cartoon characters whose conception and birth have been explored.

i dont know if it was intentional but tala is the filipino word for a star! it raises the question: did tala crash land on the philippines and chose their terrestrial name from the country's vernacular? if that's the case, i have no choice but to stan even harder .. we love a nonbinary icon who has cultural ties to postcolonized countries 🤩

@@joel4284 Note to self - don't mention the Teletubbies at Joel's place, could be a trigger.

Repent

@@jackpaul3315 choke

​@@jackpaul3315 Take a hike

@@jackpaul3315 Ave Satana.

​@@sadem1045 open your heart to tresus

She recently compared the death eaters to the trans movement!

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@@aussieseal9979she has not. she said that about certain activists, not about trans people in general. this is a difference.

@@BjoernLewin she alluded to them. To anyone who can read beyond the surface text, you can tell she meant trans people, or at least LGBT people in general

@@BjoernLewinyou’re literally doing the same mott and bailey argument that was discussed in this video

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I love attac Natalie

Natalie is probably one of the best youtubers I follow at reading someone. Probably because her statements aren't meant to destroy someone, she just points out how destroyed these people already are.

It really was the quote of the whole video

​@@TobyRossi that's such a beautiful way to put it. I think you hit the nail on the head with that.

Hey, I love your channel. It's extremely difficult to stumble onto content by black creators thanks to RU-vid algorithms, especially black women creators. I've come to rely more and more on shout-outs from other youtubers who highlight the work of their peers. Let me take this opportunity to shout-out your channel to any other interested commenters.

Funny thing about Anita Bryant is that after she divorced her husband, the religious fundamentalists she had sided with - turned against her for promoting divorce and immorality among women. Which is what happens when you side with bigots against the people you hate. After they are done, the bigots will come after you.

Still, pls don't attack, harass or try to get people to not play a videogame. It just will never work, it will not bring people on our side, especially not when it can only be so hypocritical living in the west. We all own a smart phone, mostly by apple or samsung who both have committed atrocities, and you are not out here boycotting phones. This could go on and on and on, what cereal brand you eat etc. It's just attacking the wrong people for the wrong thing and it only serves to push the people we want to change away.

Princess Weekes! I love the comments of other creators in the channels I follow... Real life easter eggs 😅😅 yall make my existence a lil more bearable..

@@shongueesha7875 Lmfao. Boycotts are an ancient part of our civilization and they absolutely work. We should not play things which will fund bigots

The Steven Crowder effect

It's always interesting who people choose to blame, when they can't bear that the misery of their loved ones is in part induced by their own choices.

It's very simple your see, violence against those weaker than you is good and pure and biblical, but love is evil. That's in the Bible..... somewhere...

One of the core tenets of Conservatism is cognitive dissonance. If they could form coherent thought or muster an ounce of empathy, they would not, by definition, be Conservatives. They would be something else. For you see, the second a person GROWS UP, they stop being Conservative. The joke is: "Mommy, Mommy! When I grow up I want to be a Conservative!" and the Mother says "Well which is it, dear? You can't do both!"

Like most conservatives, PROJECTION

Full on denial, if his ex did a public response to that it would deflate his online presence (and hopefully give him something to think about)

@@wolfpytlak2786 Nah, people like him would just double down and refuse to budge in their denial.

In his eyes, better to blame strangers who he's never met than take accountability for his own crappy thoughts and actions.

@@voidbreather7405 Yeah he'd probably just think "they've got to her too"

@@voidbreather7405 Not deep down, where it matters, where it eats away at their soul, where it makes them live miserable, angry existences, which they deserve.

lol

That's very funny, and one way to get left alone

Do you consider someone who believes biological males should not be allowed compete in female sports bigoted?

Don't take the bait, friend 💜

@@rhythmandblues_alibi Ah yes I hate being baited into a serious conversation where my perspective might have the possibility of being challenged 🙄

@@Clipzilla42 In some cases I consider that yes, because, they should be allowed., since if the problem is the physical structure of the participant or the testosterone that it affects, then other people born and identified as women should also be banned. Asking why they should not be allowed is strange since the question itself is posed in an unfair field as if all participants before the question had the same statistics as if we were in a kind of video game where this is regulated millimetrically and is It is only when trans people come into question that it is suddenly unfair. Differences between races exist in the same way, for that reason alone you would leave black people who have a genetic preposition to a type of physical structure possibly more beneficial to run outside of the race because that would make it unfair for white / Asian / people! Mexican/ etc...! If you want to open this type of debate, open it completely with data since asking a question like that and expecting that the other person has to be a Buddha to give you the answers about the truth about biology and morality is expecting too much. I am not a teacher but I hope I have given this answer as best as possible and have changed your mind as if that were possible through a RU-vid comment, now I fade away in peace.

That leads to Othering and is probably what Anita did. Don't run away from opposition. Your idea of silencing bigots depends on who gets to decide what a bigot is. Very problematic imo.

It’s proof that that much money and influence rots the brain completely, like the glass castle that woman haunts is impossible to describe.

I think the problem with refusing to debate is, unfortunately, that these debates will continue with or without the refuser's input. People come into these arguments for a variety of reasons, and having an overly pessimistic view of these motivations and refusing to participate will only discourage fence sitters from your cause. Its not authoritarian to not take part in a debate, but it is authoritarian to tell someone they have to completely agree with your viewpoint, despite any unaddressed misgivings they have, because its your right. I think a lot of jk rowlings views are misguided and odd, but some things she has mentioned, specifically detransitioners, are worth more investigation and shouldn't be steam rolled by the sensitive nature of the debate.

BASED. Never debate it, simply allow it to be voted away. Sigma move (brain worms).

Ben Shapiro would refuse to debate his own reIigion, yet he isnt called authoritarian by the same peopIe who caII trans ppI authoritarian for not wanting to debate whether they should be iIIegaI

​@@Gimlinti the things jkr has mentioned, like detransitioners, aren't some amazing never before heard of concept that she gave voice to. they're the exact same tired points that TERFs have been repeating and attacking trans people with for decades. they HAVE been investigated, and none of the claims that TERFs make ever hold up. there is no epidemic of trans people (or cis men) attacking women in bathrooms. there is no systemic plot or mismanagement that leads to the existence of the (very, very few) detransitioners. it's all just hate and conspiracy theories used to justify taking civil rights away from trans people, which many people have pointed out to JKR, yet she doesn't listen because she doesn't want to hear it. and that is authoritarian, whether you like it or not. refusing to accept someone's identity and demanding the government get involved to stop them from living in their own skin- because that IS what people like JKR demand- is authoritarian. all trans people are asking for is to be left alone.

debating can help eradicate

@@linusmlgtips2123 Do you even understand what she said?

@@linusmlgtips2123 what are we eradicating here?

@@linusmlgtips2123true! I used to be pretty anti-feminist but through conversations with kind people who were willing to engage with me, I’ve become more sympathetic to the movement.

​​@@linusmlgtips2123 True to some degree,, but not with cancer. It's too busy killing you to listen.

legend

so he became a cu*k that day ?

I'm going to be calling JKR "Jonky Rowboat" from now on, thanks 😂

interestingly, while there exists this notion that lesbians are anti-trans, the reality couldn't be further from the truth. A study was done recently, that found that among young people (I think it was 18-29, but I may be mistaken), lesbians were the most likely to support trans women (something like 96% support trans women, and 90% personally know at least one trans woman. Not completely sure what the exact numbers were, but something along those lines). It's almost like nobody asked cis lesbians before starting this narrative, and if they did they cherry-picked the minority of lesbians to speak for the majority.

No man is a predator, if he identifies as a woman. Were you attracted to Ellen Page? If so, you've got to hand in your lesbian card, bc you're actually bi. 🥰💖🌈

you have never met a lesbian who is anti-trans? Lmao, I bet you have never met a gold star lesbian either

@@FreeAssange I'm really starting to think you guys don't even think while you type this drivel out. It's getting harder and harder to understand what the fuck you guys are even trying to talking about.

@@FreeAssange what?

correction is a he

@@CorinaTamez-Hibbard it´s maam

I think you worded this just beautifully! ❤

When did young people get so goddamn smart and well-spoken

@@StraveTube When we had to

There's no such thing as "trans." Dangerous and delusional thinking. Can we be trans-age? Trans-race? Trans-species? Sex is a reality. Many gay people are against this trans agenda. If sex isn't a reality, then you're saying that homosexuality isn't a reality. So the trans agenda is also homophobic, as well as misogynistic. They want to "trans the gay away."

He literally said he watched trans male youtube buzzfeed vids for years while very deeply mentally ill. The people said transitioning fixed all their problems. Then Noah went to a therapist who also happened to be a gender therapist and that is when, mysteriously, realized he was trans. Finally, he said he can't be wrong about his identity because all his doctors and therapists have affirmed. Yet they are legally obligated to affirm. I found Noah a case study in why we should all be extremely concerned.

​@@NightTimeDayNo they aren't. Doctors and therapists are legally obligated to provide the best treatment to their patients. Why do transphobic doctors and therapists seem to not exist? Because they know what they're talking about and you don't.

Such a good point.

That's because they don't think they can take on Andrew Tate. They have to attack a group they perceive as weaker. Probably.

Modern day women will video tape and entire gym without consent and then when some innocent man glances over at the camera she will paint herself as the victim of sexism and misogyny, while doing squats in booty shorts for the WHOLE INTERNET to see on her camera. Make it make sense. Women like that need to go to their own damn gyms but they won’t because they LOVE the attention, the victimization card and the clicks and follows and views online.

I mean, radical feminists do. You just block and report to not see it

You are not paying attention. A Tate is getting pushback and by his generation and by other generations. This includes a lot of men who disagree with him. The difference is that with the exception (to my knowledge) other than Blair White, there is no internal pushback against trans-excesses.

I will lay my stance down here. I am on the right, and we don't mind about trans people doing their thing. They can go ahead. What is worrying us though, is the implementation into society. Many men have started pretending to be trans to gain access to women's spaces, and nobody has been very effective at stopping this. It's a real mess. I think people get very confused at what the right actually believes. I used to assume that you guys knew what was happening on our side of things but I recently discovered videos like this and realized that a lot of people actually have no idea. So I'll comment this here so that you know a little bit about what this whole debate is about and why there is a problem. Because if you can identify however you please, how are people supposed to know if somebody is faking it to gain privileges. Especially when it's so easy to do so. This is by no means the only issue people have with the trans movement but it's the most pressing one

⁠@@Joshua_Griffinbro you are literally regurgitating everything already shown in the video.. you are the troll lmao

Not only that, but I have a strong suspicion a lot of negative comments might come from bots. I can't be sure, but either way it's far more helpful to save the strength for open-minded person.

Particularly people like FreeAssage(formerly KnightChime), or AmbivalentJohnny, whom you will see everywhere spouting the same nonsense. Well, not FreeAssage, he spouts whatever nonsense is convenient at the moment to further his stance of hating Natalie. No idea why, considering this person admitted to not even watching her videos. MFer seems to think people cant recognize usernames or remember particularly dumb things they said. More condisive to point out their nonsense to let others know whats up than to argue against their points directly.

Same same!!!

What a great grandmother. I hope things get better for your granddaughter and all transgender people.

So exciting to see people of all generations watching these videos! ❤ thank you for being a kind support to your granddaughter

@@sapphicwriter I hope so too. And I’ll fight for that future until I die.

You go Grandma Bea! Love seeing intergenerational support. ❤

Thank you for standing up for your granddaughter. She will always remember this and it's such a special thing to know that her grandma is on her side.

The ultimate sign we live in the dumbest timeline is that conservatives are trying to make fursecution an actual thing.

When I was a child, I refused to play pretend as anything but an animal until I was about 9/10. Oddly never became a furry...

While we're here, I'd like to remind everyone that if you ever come across the claim that "There are literboxes in schools in America for kids who think they're animals" is bullshit. There are literboxes in some classrooms in America. So that during a schools shooting, kids can still relieve themselves without leaving the classroom. Which is fucking horrifying.

owo

At most, the people that guy was talking about were highly stressed autistic children trying to cope in an environment that was not made for them. I'm autistic and school was hell for me, so to cope I would pretend I was wolf beyond the age that it was acceptable, and I would bark and howl in school. Not because I "identified" as a wolf, but because the school environment was so deeply hostile and triggering to me as an autistic child and I recieved little to no accommodations that my only recourse was essentially to dissociate and detach from my own personhood just to survive day to day. Something tells me people like him have no sympathy for autistic children either.

That you assume these are "strong" arguments demonstrates just how "weak" your perceptions are.

This is such a wholesome comment. The effort she puts in is top notch ❤

Love to see the older generations on RU-vid comments, it's refreshing. I can't fathom having lived through as many world changing events as you probably had, and the perspective that comes from it. Sometimes this feels like an eco chamber for twentysomethings

I love you both!

they will murder you too,

blessed post

I'm glad you spoke out about this, l was just about to cancel the bird

It’s important to note that the little Contra Points in the RU-vid Video did not support any evidence that homosexuality is in anyway comparable to being transgender, and, in fact (1:10:39), suggests that SOME trans women don’t experience a male puberty! Poor Points can’t even comprehend the idea of a child’s puberty being robbed from them, can only think in terms of beautiful images of Kim Petras at the Grammys.

yass queen preach; orange bird would never stand for this

I'm still convinced Jenny is a Fey

Thank you for speaking for those who sadly cannot in the form of internet

Actually, LGBT riots are not annoying, they are violent and dangerous. But then, you obviously are ignorant or in denial of that factual reality.

@@franklong6269 - Oh man that was such a good one.

@@VagusDoc Yes it was, wasn't it? And yet you are still ignorant and living your life in denial of reality. That is quite common for LGBT cult members who believe that a man can become a woman [POOF!] by magically wishing it to be true. Tell me, do you "wish upon a star" like in Pinocchio?

​@@franklong6269 riots of any kind are violent, thats why they are called riots. Like, its not saying much to call a form of protest that is defined by violence as being violent. But theres a reason why theres a saying: "A riot is the voice of the unheard" - Martin Luther King Jr. People pushed to the extremes will exist in the extreme. Who would've thought? And thus Contrapoints quote, which builds on MLK's quite nicely.

Pathetic need for people to affirm your emotional insecurity.

Can't believe this American woman was so influential that she started the first Pride in the country of Europe! What an icon!😊

Heh, I didn't know that. Nice! (a fellow Dutchie :-) )

❤Iconic Protesting❤

I've changed my mind on Anita bryant. She is secretly an ally and did the worst job imaginable as a villain to further the lgbt cause. Thank you sister Bryant.

Echt? Dat wist ik niet. Nice.

I love this. It’s honestly genius, the narrative they were pushing misleading and harmful so she took over

Queen behavior as usual.

@@Blueeyesthewarrior i read this as queer behavior n i was a little confused but like yeah queen behavior

WASTED

@@notreal9214 Queer queen behavior!

Nb person of color 😂 get a grip

​@@ErinJeanetteyou're just rude

"Transgender" used to be considered a type of DSD, which is why "normalizing surgeries" were promoted as the treatment. It seems nothing as changed. Trans-identified people outside the West don't require any medical intervention or psychological analysis.

Those statements are always so painful, because hospitals _do_ perform genital surgeries on children every day, not trans children that need them (trans teenagers should have access to surgery, just like cis teens do) but intersex children that have no idea what's going on (not to mention the deranged obsession over foreskins)

@@oiytd5wugho I'm so sorry that I hurt you. I thought they'd stopped doing that to intersex babies, but your comment makes me realise that it's unlikely to have stopped everywhere. As you say, it's awful. And circumcision. And FGM. Why can't society let people decide for themselves?

@@SheilaCrosby oh, no, _you_ did not hurt me, don't worry. We only moved forward a little bit, there's more bans on FGM (hence why I didn't mention it) but other than that, they can still do whatever at hospitals, pretty much. Still, there is progress, the hardest part is getting medical organizations to treat the issue appropriately - as in, if you do these procedures, we disavow you and you're not welcome anymore, like they do with capital punishment.

@@oiytd5wugho "Trans" is the only type of "intersex" where surgical intervention is not considered malpractice.

Ah yes, because she might literally die to to withdrawl symptoms from not having her brownies surely... I mean I get that they're trying to relate but it just ends up being projecting and diminishing the severity of the issue ("oh aren't we all a little OCD?" etc.). You can empathize with people without having to have had similar experiences anyways to boot.

😂😂😂 omg. That's kinda sweet though, ngl.

@@sage5296 if i dont get my brownie fix im stuck in bed shitting into a bucket

Your therapist might have been well-intentioned, unlike Bryant, but I've found that it tends to come across a lot better regardless if one says, "I can't understand what it's like to go through that. All I have is this experience of my own." Then let the person decide if it's relatable to them.

It would have been misguidedly sweet if she wasn’t already very condescending. Luckily I was able to switch to another person not too long after that.

you're a sad bar steward

You just need to get outside more I promise there’s is a lot more delightful things in the world when you turn the screen off

They're genuinely egocentric in the worst way. They can't wrap their heads around the concept of others not giving a shit about their religions.

"It's your right to believe I'm evil, and it's my right to not fucking care. It's not your right to do anything about it, just like it isn't mine to do anything about you."

In the mind of a true dedicated bigot every single human is born as part of their specific religion. And punishing sinners is their duty. NOT punishing sinners is a sin in itself. And also: Getting into the afterlife can get seriously technical and there is NO room for error.

Religious bigots, the epitome of narcissism. Here is a swath of people who say "I believe that there is a being somewhere out there that made all this and these are its rules, l don't have any proof, l just believe it, believing it is proof enough, it's important to my identity and it's my right to believe it" and the rest of us are like "Sure if that's important to your well-being, you do you." And then they be like, "And because we need it, a certain portion of our taxes need to be allocated to building our institutions." And the rest of us say, well, it's honestly a little weird for me, this thing you do every Sunday, but l get that everyone needs a place of community, so sure, here you go. And then they be like "And because it's important to a few of us, you need to teach it in schools" And then we're like "Okay, but then we also need to do that for other religions" And then they're like "OVER MY DEAD BODY!! GET MY GUN!!" Organized religion often doesn't just exist for itself and let the rest of us be, it so often tries to recruit. And that's why they believe any other identity group isn't out there just to exist for itself, it's out there to recruit. They believe that these other groups will behave exactly as they themselves have behaved.

@@tenaciousrodent6251 I generally point out to them that the fact they think their literal GOD needs help in judgment and punishment sounds like blasphemy. Shuts most people up.

Hi Lindsay! Glad you're still putting videos up on Nebula :)

lmao iconic

Yassss I love your books!!

Poor Joanne and her average sized gametes, how will she identify now?

Will they only have 2 differentiated roles for reproduction?

It truly will be the dumbest timeline if conservatives make fursecution an actual thing rather than an internet joke.

This is no solace, but he's saying that in a lead-up to talking about the "they now have litterboxes in schools" nonsense

@@morrisonnolan5687 I honestly wish this was what furries were, just innocent kids playing pretend.

ikr... i literally yelled "WHAT ABOUT US SHARK SONAS" and like if im honest we all know scaly's are thee best. like how brain dead was that guy >_(\

Yeah he should know they're Therians and also deserve their own activism. How out of the loop are you?

Oh! Let me try it! "As a mother of two loud and rambunctious kids, I love nothing more than letting rip on the weekend and eating an entire tray of edibles until I shit milk." I mean, I don't, but it does make the whole concept a bit funnier, you're right.

It is funny af but at the same time, it makes me so sad. Because it shows that somehow they equate womanhood with motherhood and that's just... that's an aspect of what being a woman can entail but to reduce yourself and all your worth to bearing and raising children is so harmful, even detrimental in various ways. They're doing to themselves what countless women have tried to unravel and stop men from doing over centruies at this point. They make their motherhood their only virtue, their only reason to live, their single source of respect and acknowledgement, they burden themselves with responsibilities that should be shared with the other parent and they ultimately shackle themselves, their entire existence to a biological function that many cis women and trans women as a whole lack. Not being able to bear children or not wanting children doesn't make you less of a woman. And men have the exact same responsibility to look after their children or the children they adopt. They're their children, too. Yet somehow men don't usually reduce themselves to being fathers, even if they're responsible and accountable.

@@FallenChocoCookie It's because what they mean to say is, 'as a woman who complies with the standards enforced by White Supremacist Patriarchy, I want to express an opinion I hold that proves I comply and will enforce it against my fellow oppressed folks, on behalf of my beloved patriarchs everywhere. Please notice me, and praise me, for my efforts.'

@@joleneonyoutube yes and no. There are POC who step in and out of whiteness as need be. As a Black Muslim woman I use respectability politics as needed when dealing with obviously racist healthcare staff, when trying to advocate for my kids’ at school or simply to piss off racist people. Similarly, white women lean on white supremacy also when convenient. What I mean is that, the phrasing “as a Mom” may not always be seeking approval or praise from the powers that be. Sometimes it’s just a way to disarm others before going in for the kill. Maybe we’re saying similar things.

It's just basically "think of the children!" Without actually saying "think kf the children"

So the reason it has so many views is because the same people just keep rewatching it? Numerous comments saying the same thing in reference to rewatching this video… weird

​@@SicklySweetBeast Cry more,Manlet. Keep posting more comments. You're adding to the engagement.

@@LatinaCreamQueen that’s response embodies the mentality of someone who is chronically online smh mental health is always available seek it out instead of using RU-vid to reinforce your delusions it won’t help you in life. you make zero money from this channel, so unhinged degenerate idolization of a stranger will do nothing to benefit you but send you further down the path of social isolation lmao get bettter

I think it would help a little bit.

@@mrbanks456 thanks mr banks

Yea that was groundbreaking man! Never heard anything like that before

Yeah. Keep up the good work polarising the world

@@anapontopina86 It's the racists who are polarizing the world??? Why are you blaming everyone else?

I think that's what we've just started calling 'pick me' behavior... Anyone that accepts their 'defective' identity and is happy to politely agree with their oppressors

​@@b4rbarbar The "pick me" attitude sadly exists in almost every marginalized group. People who are trying so hard to show "they are not like the stereotypes".

“How is it that we can have these conversations?” Dave hates himself, that’s the only reason he could sit there and have those conversations

His dead stare says it all

It's just so incredibly pathetic to watch this guy who presumably loves and cares for his partner and his children sit down and call someone who hates him and disparages his family a friend. Grow a fucking spine for them if not for yourself!

There is no internal feeling that is exclusive to men or women (or boys/girls), what makes anyone a man or a woman is being either male or female and reaching adulthood. Their sex and stage of physical maturity makes them men or women, not some "feeling" they have. Believing there is some "essence" specific to males or female as far as feelings go, that can manifest "in the wrong body", is akin to a religious belief, having faith in something that is impossible to prove or disprove. The thing is though, that no one on the "trans" side can actually even explain what this "essence" is, they can't even explain it to themselves yet have convinced themselves that the feeling they have means they "are in the wrong body" - without realising that their discomfort simply stems from not realising that they view conforming to sexist stereotypes as legitimate measures of manhood or womanhood. That is why every explanation given of WHY a male "can't be a man, but is instead woman" etc. relies upon listing stereotypical stuff, or, in some cases is completely abstract and refuses to actually provide any explanation of what they mean, simply stating they "know" that what they feel means what they say it does, even though they can't actually provide a definition of it. "It's hard to explain but I know I'm right" is an attitude one constantly comes up against - a religious faith in something they can't define. This idea that the terms "man" and "woman" carry all this baggage, sexist stereotypes, that people need to live up to or feel comfortable with is a complete fabrication coming from the "trans" side. You lot want a term to reflect aspects of your personality as well, you want to create more boxes to put people in, as you won't accept simply just being a man or a woman based on being born male or female (and reaching adulthood, obviously people are boys and girls before becoming men or women), but believe you need this "freedom of expression" to broadcast what sexist stereotypes you feel more comfortable with - thinking the world needs to adopt the sexist view you lot have (you fail to see just how much you have in common with Conservatives). Replacing objective definitions which are based in physical reality, with entirely subjective metaphysical claims, is not logical in any way, is not morally superior, and is demonstrably harmful, not least to female rights and protections, but also to practically anyone that buys into it as it warps people's perception of the underlying issues. It hinders people in their quest for individuation, creating this false narrative of them becoming more "authentic" when the total opposite is true, they believe they need validation from others in order to be happy etc. instead of being encouraged to find more inner strength and resilience with less reliance on how people see them. Demanding to be legally recognised as the opposite sex of what one is, is in no way shape or form more authentic than accepting the physical reality one is born into. This "woman is a social construct" thing IS the part that validates and perpetuates sexist stereotypes - woman isn't a social construct in that sense, it is a word society has chosen yes, but to describe a PHYSICAL state of being, not anyone's emotional states or where they fall on some spectrum of masculinity or femininity. There is a fundamental misunderstanding here of what the definition of man and woman means. The notion that people need to live up to sexist stereotypes of what "real men" or "real women" are, is complete fantasy. The fact that many people act as if sexist stereotypes were valid ways of measuring "real men" or real women" is a problem with the individual and their sexist bias, not with the terms themselves, as the terms themselves have none of the expectational baggage that people who internalise sexist stereotypes associate with them. A woman, is an adult human female, it is not an "identity" or a feeling, dress, attitude etc., that whole line of thinking is regressive in the extreme. Claiming there is some "essence" to "womanhood" that also males can access, but the reality is that women do not have to look or act any certain way, or act out some ludicrously sexist idea of the “social role of a woman”, all females who reach adulthood are women regardless of how they feel or look, and the one thing they ALL have in common, the one experience they ALL share, is that they are FEMALE, they do not have to "identify" as anything, they physically ARE women because they are female. Why should MALES be allowed access to SINGLE-SEX spaces/sports reserved for FEMALES based on their "gender identity"? If sex and gender are separate, then a male announcing his "gender identity" is "trans woman" does nothing to change their sex, they are still MALE - so why should they be afforded rights reserved for the opposite SEX? The movement is regressively sexist, and misogynistic. Why do you believe females do not deserve any spaces free of males? What is hateful about upholding female sex-based rights that were fought long and hard for? Believing sexist stereotypes define men and women, instead of their biological sex, is unquestionably sexist to the core, because you are saying men and women are not actually free to behave however they want but need to conform to these sexist stereotypes in order to be men or women - if you say no they don't have to act any sort of way as a man or woman, and being a man or woman has nothing to do with biology - then what are you describing by calling someone a man or woman? If you think it doesn't describe biology, and doesn't describe anything about their looks or behaviour, then what on earth are you basing defining anyone as a man or woman on??? Why would a man need to become a "trans woman" in order to be their "authentic selves", why can't they just be a very feminine man and dress/act however they want? If trans ideology isn't sexist, then why would a man ever need to "transition" if either sex is completely free to act however they want? How can you claim to be opposing sexism when the whole basis for anyone feeling the need to transition, literally is sexism?

​@@ambientjohnnyI love this strategy of making an argument by just asking really basic questions that you could literally just google. Like "I don't understand the absolute base fundamentals of this subject please help me I am confused" is, unsurprisingly, really not a convincing argument.

Indeed. As if the wife is just a pawn and not a person of own free will.

​@@ebos9651 I think its more of an ideology thing. Say there's a Muslim family, and the husband picks up Christianity. The wife would say Christianity took her husband from her, because him picking up a new religion was the catalyst of their disagreement. I guess it depends on the intent of the person saying it and the context of the situation. This is kinda different, but I would often say drugs took my sister from me, because I blamed the drugs she was using for her sudden unlikable traits (stealing, lying, violence, animal abuse). Was I trying to invalidate her free will and choices? Not really but more trying to understand the primary reason for the change. Anyway I think this was a really convoluted way to get my point across lol, but I hope you know what I mean

@Gaming Gamer I was thinking that too. Of course, people in the wrong have always been capable of twisting words that's supposed to be against them, weaponizing it back. But yeah, linguistic relativity should really be more in people's mind. I notice this especially since, I'm essentially bilingual, but English is still not my thought's language so there's always going to be a translation issue that people who are only monoculture/monolingual won't notice.

But of course, it couldnt possibly have been them!

@@GamingGamer1000 Thank you for setting them straight. I was thinking the same thing. It's also ironic that this gentleman shakes his head about people deluding themselves, yet here he is, comfortably jumping on the train and demonizing a normal thing to say...

It's standard rhetoric for conservative Christians

No, it’s because Christians believe that while everyone should be loved, not everything they do should be loved. Christians are taught to rebuke unrepentant sin, not because of hatred for the sinner but out of a desire to warn the sinner of the danger they believe said sinner’s soul is in.

The problem starts with viewing the bible, a book that explicitly supports violence and shunning, and was written by humans about 2000 years ago, as a guide to how one should love their neighbor today. The problem continues when one treats a person's life, love, marriage and family as simply "something they did that was wrong", as if an integral part of a person life is no different than a kid cheating on a test when she was in middle school - we can ignore it, forget it, and move on. Treating a person's family like that doesn't really work. "It is really hard to argue with someone who thinks that an integral part of your identity is just an evil delusion", as Bryant's granddaughter put it. Our relationships are not a mistake that we can forget, nor are they a choice made out of ignorance, or just a phase that's going to pass - and to treat a person's marriage or relationship(s) like that is patronising and annoying at best, hateful and contradictory at worst. To teat others like that in the name of your personal religious beliefs is not love, it's putting your religious feelings above others' freedom and well being. To call this kind of treatment "love", is to insult the idea and action of love.

I wonder if she would say the same about her granddaughter.

@@chrissyweaver3475 she probably would. "I lOvE yoU i JuST DiSAgreE yoUr lifEStYle" meanwhile the "lifestyle" is her marriage, her wife and the family they've built together

Yeah, thank god for J.K Rowling, huh? Finally, a woman unafraid of entitled white men like Hontra and PhilosophyChoob, trying to bully her into silence, and colonise womanhood!! Isn't it CRAZY how deeply these guys HATE women who stand up for themselves?!?

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@@MaximusOrthodox ur gross

​​@@MaximusOrthodox mods get his ass banned

@@VioletJewel1729 What?

Rewound is 4 times 😂

Did she go to jail?

@@ItIsTheLordWhoKeepsme I don't know but it looks like her name was listed and we could research it

@@MaxOakland I hope she did. The intent was probably good but the action was violent against a fellow human being and therefore wrong. It's like a killing people to reduce climate change.

​@@ItIsTheLordWhoKeepsme Yes. The suffragette (Theresa Garnett) was charged with disturbing the peace and sentenced to 1 month in prison.

Rowling doesn’t care about cis women. She only cares about hating trans people.

Dave Rubin meanwhile: “I will continue to be your biggest cheerleader even as you call me a child kidnapper who is a danger to mothers and the reason for the Conservative Party’s downfall because I’m a gay father. Please, keep picking me, I beg you!”

James Baldwin is quite amazing 🙂

Yeah, that's one of the dumber myths perpetuated by the queer wing of the Woke cult. You're denying my existence by telling me I'm wrong when I deny yours! Herp derp.

The fact that anyone has to defend their right to exist in the 21st Century just blows my mind. Having fought for that as a gay man in the 80s, I had hoped that trans folks would have it easier. Boy was i wrong. Hugely wrong. The insane fear and hatred is just off the charts, and being a trans ally feels so inadequate considering the garbage we all face today.

I think this was the saltiest Natalie has ever been in one of her videos, and for extremely good reason. This was a genuinely tough video to get through with all the odium and dumbassery that these TERFs, homophobes, and other rebarbative creeps so viciously spew. I can't imagine what Natalie went through preparing it - mad respect to her!! 🏳‍⚧🏳‍⚧🏳‍⚧🏳‍⚧🏳‍⚧🏳‍⚧🏳‍⚧🏳‍⚧🏳‍⚧ BTW, I always feel odd about the phrase "Mandela effect" because I wasn't at all surprised that Mandela had been alive for as long as he was, but I am genuinely shocked that Anita Bryant is still around as of this posting.

doing one of these videos takes weeks. Shes not tired for weeks. You dont have your eyes at half mast and hair a mess because you're tired of a topic. I worry shes not well or worse, it looks like booze or heroine (sorry just being honest). From the slowed speech, the eyes, its probably not weed, might be booze but probably not. I love her and would hate to hear that shes not doing well.

Ja I am 48 minutes into this and am completely bewildered. I do my best to just mind my own bizness and let people do what they do

@@sasha321atl I do have to ask if you're part of any marginalized communities. It's... very much possible to be exhausted for weeks when dealing with the subject of whether or not you are allowed to exist on your own terms. Defending your very existence as a person for long lengths of time just burns you out. I've been avoiding all social media for a month now and even just watching this vid, being reminded of all the people who hate my friends and I for no other reason than _our existence is an affront to them_ has already made me want to curl back up in bed. I spent the last twenty years fighting for my rights and the rights of my friends. But it never stops, man. Could it be a substance thing? Possibly. But it could very well just be this subject.

Human emotions are irrational and often deranged. Feelings are stupid!

How did you break yourself out of it? What was the mindset like?

Glad you got out of that destructive cycle. Great job, that must not have been easy.

@@TheAxeLord47911 i wasnt a completely alt right c*nt but i suppose it was sort of social pressure when i was a tween/teen since the "triggered snowflakes" thing was huge at that moment (2016-2018). They were agressive and based their arguments in how people looked and acted, now looking back, specially to neurodivergent people or just people that didn't fit the mold, etc, it was overall "better" to not be their target and i became desensitized and even empathised to more extreme rethorics in order to not be affected by rage or so. I started to change after meeting common ground, like hating my country's corruption that gets in the way of justice or getting to experience bad situations and realizing said right wingers didnt see me as fully human since at the time i thought of myself as bisexual, plus i´m a woman

Johnlocke is a political activist i have seen him post all over the place. You are being manipulated his type in the end will discard you when you become of no further use in the worst way.

@@ruffethereal1904 Thanks a lot man, I can't take credit for most of it, it's just been about listening and understanding experiences and knowledge of others that has built me up to this point.

"Hmm, could he be up to no good? No its the 70s, nobody has done anything untoward with a pie so far, its inconceivable!"

Don't forget about Bill Gates getting pied in the face in 1999!

I was looking for this comment

i know right!! wise beyond his years😭

"How we treat or talk to people like J.K. Rowling should come second..." I mean, that really sums up the whole issue, it's a very effective way to justify abuse.

@@SPECTER0459 yes!! the poor jk rowling who is aggressively rallying against the people who want nothing but to be left alone... how did this happen and what couldve prompted this

@@SPECTER0459 Rowling is an old billionaire who has the privileged leisure to abstract trans lives. Most of the major GC influencers are white, middle-class, cis women.

@@pipianvideos If you think death threats and harassment are what help push issues, or that they can ever be justified, then that's what you believe. Not to mention it's indicative of not believing education and open discourse are our most powerful tools for change

Republicans are abhorrent with their false virtues and re-writing of history, both things they always complain the left always do. Don't get me wrong, I think Democrats are utterly demonic. But it just shows that both sides are the same thing with reversed roles. The amount of outright bigotry I see coming from both sides is unreal. We should be way beyond all this ridiculousness by now, but people are incapable of learning from history,

It was quite a cultural moment. Mary Kay Place did a hilarious parody of Anita Bryant on "Mary Hartman, Mary Hartman."

It is a new and genuine emergency. Woke fascism is one of the biggest threats to democracy, freedom, human progress and flourishing and science in history, one of the biggest medical malpractice scandals in history and more.

Christian’s learned in Roman times to accuse their enemies of crimes against children as the Roman’s accused them of the very same ,baby eating and molesting tactics that they use to this day .

I don't think there's anything "well crafted" about this argument. It's deeply flawed and filled with fallacy while completely missing the point harris actually made, somehow exemplifying the exact hysteria in activism that harris is discussing

JK Rowling being able to literally monopolize all these creative ideas is extremely lousy. This is one of many reasons why we must abolish intellectual property laws immediately. For the sake of _all_ of humanity. See:

Same holy shiiiiiiiiiit

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I have a playlist of the best videos on (IP) intellectual property on my channel for all interested.

@@garthinator1 You interrupted my important message!😡

JKR and her "allies" supporting the abolition of Roe vs. wade: "This is an important step towards protecting women and girls!"

I literally didn’t know what “large gamete” meant until I watched this video 😭😂

I know right? Because we feminists long to be solely defined by our genitals and reproductive organs! I'm convinced that the anti-trans movement and the patriarchy that drives it poses the biggest threat to feminism at this stage.

trans women can be called women & cis women can be called Egg Factories, everybody goes home happy.

Mfw you see woman walking down the street and some construction worker shouts " Oh eyyyyy lookit the enormous gametes produced on that broad!

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oh you put it into words

Yep. Trauma forces you to grow up fast, and when the source of your trauma is societal, you gotta grow up even quicker… Trans teens should just be allowed to exist, not have to learn to ontologically justify themselves. It’s frustrating that what little progress has been had since I transitioned as a teen has been or is being walked back…

Infantalizing teenagers like it's a surprise only says more about you

@@mariomario1462 this is the opposite of that

So true. I wonder if it's heavy to do these deep dives into problematic people, though.

@@dreamcatch9561 I like when she does, because she makes a very good analysis on what makes problematic people think the way they do, and what in the way they shape their discourse make other people believe them and support their views as acceptable or valid opinions.

This reads like a very sophisticated "neuron activation" meme.

Do you watch her stream? She never finishes the game.. but I love it anyways.

@@fyraltari1889 It's kinda like that 😂

Also grew up Mormon and I left mentally at 22, but officially at 26. You so right about it being a lifelong process. There are times where I believed that my old bigotry was gone, but it would rear its ugly head in other areas. You’re completely right. Actively fighting against bigotry is the only way to keep from backsliding.

Both of y'all making it sound like Mormonism means being in the KKK or something

@@alvareo92 yes they are both cults

I, 18, also left Mormonism officially this year (Mentally at 15). Want to add that although the process can kinda fuck me up mentally it is 100% worth deconstructing and analyzing previous attitudes I previously held. Couldn’t help but laugh at “constant vigilance” given the subject matter of the video.

@@alvareo92 hey uh you may wanna look up how integral the mormon church has been to the US culture of violent racism, homophobia, and transphobia. Like, HUGELY involved in the systemic and legal side of systemic oppression, direct violence, and conversion “therapy.” Like, the history is NOT on their side. There is SO much evidence of their actions, rhetoric, and their affects on people in and out of the church. Just because the mainline membership is polite in public and in press releases does NOT mean they’re peace-love-and-dope christians.

Can’t wait for 2056 for the next video Natalie uploads!

Oops did not mean to reply here but yeah it’s pretty sad how Natalie has to do this. It just feels like the world has pivoted so suddenly on trans acceptance.

@@bug688 The moment I think I'm allowed to exist, there come the right-wingers out of the woodwork, to remind me that they'll murder me. Whoops.

I also doubt Jessie Gender will actually stop talking bout JK forever. Sadly, these are things that directly concern and threaten them.

I mean you can definitely tell the difference in her tone between her first JK Rowling video and this one. She was a lot more sarcastic and witty in that one (imo it's the best video essay I have ever seen on this topic), whereas this one she's a lot more direct and serious about these issues. Not sure if anyone else noticed this difference.

It was a little cunty 😂

Yup! All they got is, "They're gonna infect our kids with their weirdness! I mean, I'm not saying being different is like a disease, but...but we definitely have to keep it from spreading!"

Except none of the women back then had a schlong

yeah. I always thought the phrase "history repeats itself" oversimplified things a bit... but no, it's really like this. :/

What's worse is how nowadays they have a huge sound box in the form of social medias and algorithms that promote and spread their well crafted hate mongering smokescreens, so you have this pathetic situation where a very popular pundit or celebrity claims to be "canceled" while their popularity keeps soaring.

Less class and restraint? They threw pies and hatchets at people. Mean tweets are a handshake by comparison.

A reminder that some things never seem to change

It's never too late for her to add an apology video to complete her paleo-influencer arc.

@gf431 That fun fact is discussed in this video

When she first said Anita, I thought Sarkeesian, because that's the only other notable internet celeb named Anita.

anita bryant, the first celebrity cancelled by the woke mob. literally 1894 😔✊