A needlessly thorough roast of Dear Evan Hansen (2021) 

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Trrrrrrruk

16:59 for a time stamp of the truck lol

You've been hit by, you've been struck by, truck

tRUCK

That's it, that's the show

This is so fucking funny

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@@cinderellaskeleton6720 who tf are you talking about

reminds me of that scene in Bojack where Vance Waggoner's publicist says "he's just a 49 year old kid he's still learning!"

Hahaha

This made me laugh out loud 😂

28:56 listen to Somewhere that’s green from little shop, then listen to part of your world from little mermaid

@@nickit7655I’m k I CD G G G h fed

hes the ultimate super senior

Hence the cast…🤔

he kinda looks like he's turning into a zombie with the weird puffed up kinda pale face, sweat, bulging facial muscles, and strange hunched over lurching walk

@@Crypted112Totally

I laughed out loud thank you

Dawn of the Dear Evan Hansen

W H A T

WHAt-

I can not believe someone like Ben Platt could be in a health relationship

LMAO YES THAT'S TRUE

Christ almighty. I liked him before but this is just not respectable lol

Yeah, that's...that's definitely a choice.

thank you!! I was thinking that the whole time like, did they forget about it, or what??

Which was a totally unnecessary and problematic revelation in the first place - the point of the cast on his arm isn't how he broke his arm - it's to show that it has no signatures - he has no friends. That's the entire point of his cast. Trying to shoe-horn in at the end an explanation for how he broke his arm serves no purpose but to muddle the story.

“go out and touch grass” is what he basically said

@@Char-mv3fc hey, grass is still cool if you're depressed. I like grass

Woulda worked better that way. In fact it did; it’s called Heathers lol

Yeah, I can imagine a movie portraying something like that with the same energy as Jay and Silent Bob picking up chicks outside of an abortion clinic.

"The Gang Find a Dead Body"

He's got a Dennis vibe going on so that makes sense.

Eh, it's not quite that bad. He does try to tell people. They want badly to believe Connor had friends so they ignore him. It works much better in the play.

Oh my god, I've never thought about that... and imagine how much that could have helped him, having a person who he can be honest with and who is on his side through all of this - he could have told his therapist the truth right away, and they would probably have helped him navigate out of the net of lies he created, instead of making it progressively worse.

Are we sure that was even a licensed therapist? Did anyone see their license? Did the family just roll up to a place with a plastic banner hung over the door that said "Bob's Discount Therapy And Halloween Costumes"?

Evan or his mom did say that he stopped going to the therapist after everything happened though right?

yeah his mom says he skipped an appointment, its still weird that he doesnt see him throughout the length of the movie. it seemed like a regular session kind of deal

@@luna-mo3ol he says he doesn’t need his meds anymore, doesn’t mention the therapist though

But the trees 🥺

The ironic thing is, I kind of prefer Alana in the stage musical. Because similar to Evan, she’s using Connor’s situation for her own self-glorification, but the stage show knows this.

@@osmanyousif7849 Also in the stage version, her posting the note was more of a knee-jerk reaction and her desperation to raise the money for the orchard was more palpable. In the film, she sits on it for hours and then posts it. She had hours to decide it was a bad idea and posted it anyway.

@@osmanyousif7849 The film takes a lot of the grit out of the secondary characters. In the stage version Jared is selling "RIP Connor" buttons, Alana comes off more as an opportunistic outcast who is trying to act like her being lab partners with Connor means something at all, Heidi dismisses Evan's feelings when she forgot about their taco night because she doesn't want to accept that she's letting him down. The film felt very sanitized compared to the stage version, like, they didn't want the characters to be too complex.

@@creategenius719 , agree with everything you said except for the fact that the movie didn’t want it’s secondary characters to “be too complex”. Because it’s made abundantly clear from Ben Platt and his daddy that they wanted all the focus to be about Evan, portraying him in the film as if he’s a victim who’s compelled to what he did instead of having any sort of autonomy. Well good f**king job with that, Marc.

this made me laugh until I started choking and coughing, thank you

"Sang pop songs at us" - Hahahahaa

😂

😭😭😭

NOO THIS KILLED ME 😂😂😂

It's sensitive to context amirite?

I wonder how many songs were accidentally triggered by someone trying to pick something off the ground too close to him.

@@NonsenseWithGlasses too many they’re like unskippable cutscenes

What's E?

@@kimifw58 The E key in a keyboard, famously used as the interaction button in many pc games

Media has not been kind to "popular" kids. There's a reason why Legally Blonde was so groundbreaking and still stands as iconic. El's friends are probably my favorite part of the movie because even tho they are ditsy, "superficial" bimbos they are unapologetically and wholeheartedly supportive of El in everything she does. They even come to her first court case.

@@colt9836 fr, I was a social chameleon in high school and hung out with the band geeks and football/cheer team. The popular kids didn't pay much mind to being negative, but every gd time I sat with my band mates they'd be under the impression that a cheerleader was talking shit about them or a jock was silently judging them. They bullied these people in response to the ASSUMPTION of bullying. When I told them that the after game parties were just hang outs where they made chocolate chip pancakes and played soul caliber they would NOT believe me. Media has brainwashed quiet kids into victimizing themselves lol.

​@@colt9836fr, most popular kids I knew in school was honestly quite decent. The stereotype of the "bitchy mean girl" or the "meathead jock bully" is either an American thing or just a straight up projection of someone who was bullied or was jealous of certain people in school.

⁠@@owenlealusually the reason someone is popular is because they’re pleasant to be around lol

​@@colt9836 amazingly, Legally Blonde was also produced by Ben Platt's father

Conner's actor is actually really good! his name's Colton Ryan and he's the second lead in my favorite musical Alice by heart where he also shows incredible range. i hope he gets roles better than this lol

Resume Driven Acting

@@fawnlowell6094fun fact! Mike Faist was also involved in the Alice by heart workshops. It’s really cool how these two actors are connected - theatre is a small world!

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Oh my god that's so good

😂😂😂

😂😂

😭😭😭 YOURE SO BAD BAHAHAHA

That seems reasonable lol

this actually made me lol

Free him

Or someone in the scene with him, Considering there’s also more space on stage for more people

@@valentinahendrick9540 no, stuck in tv

Thank you for the information

That's actually kinda interesting...

So what I'm hearing is that the orchard is another area where the musical makes no sense. Neat! I mean, the information about orchards is neat.

To add to this: Whenever an orchard truly closes it is typically because the land has become unusable either because of poor management or extremely bad cases of pests like nematodes or some fungi, such as armillaria (this actually ruined a local orchard industry) that can wipe out entire stands and then live in the soil for many years after. This would make it likely impossible to reopen the orchard, even for $100,000. Source: I'm getting a degree in forest pathology.

Thanks for the info, really interesting how a huge acreage of a single crop can actually threaten others in the area. Hope our horrendous monoculture farming practices go extinct soon. Permaculture is the future!

To this day, whenever Im exasperated, I will warble "wOrds fAil, woOrdds fAil 😔" and no one will get it.

I love that bit, it's so good :D

time stamp bc this is also my favourite moment of the whole video: 50:56

The channel Caleb Joseph has a great video breakdown of this

i guess so lmao

@@vanessaajohn which video was that one?

My thoughts exactly

*wHEEZE*

Or his daddy, the producer.

I’m treating this as canon; the movie is the result of stage Evan trying to recuperate his image after becoming rich from the lie, then getting cancelled for it

Jenny has a lot of knockout lines here

@@PKEin a bit like the weird FNAF lore where the video games were made by the business in order to mock the idea that the murders had ever happened.

@@PKEin in universe Connor’s family made the musical to expose Evan for the asshole he is so Evan using all his orchard money brought the movie rights and made the movie adaptation to make himself look better

EVEN HATES MEN‼️🚨‼️🚨

I took that as being intentionally dissonant because it's like he's lying about one more thing but it's also just generally kind of a lazy lyric

He's secretly a latent homosexual.

It’s coming from Connors perspective too tho so it’s not that weird

in the play both connor and evan when they are singing that line, they emphasize this comment, highlighting the ironic fact that none of them get along with their respective father, it's intentional

🤣

This was my first Jenny video as well. Didn't make the thematic outfit connection until about an hour in.

same 😭

this is so fucking funny omg

Same 🤪🤪🤪🫣🤣

That make up was so bad, It might as well have been 10 years per grade.

I almost choked on my own spit reading this comment, thanks

@@braingirl9112 No, because you just add her to that same scene and she looks to camera and says: "Yes, I was also held back too, as well"

I can only read this in Jenny's deadpan delivery lol

He's the high school Van Wilder

Depraved is exactly the way to describe Platt’s performance there and in the other Zoey scenes

I guffawed.

This made me laugh, a very loud laugh, and all my family heard …..

I NEED TO WTAHC THIS MOVIE WITH MY FRIEND AND SAY TAGT AHAHAHHA THANK YOU

27:56

It's not like it was basically ok otherwise. I'm not sure you can make the memory worse really. In fact, by giving the family a villain to hate, it might help ease the guilt of failing to save their son's life. They will instead remember the asshole who came and effed with their lives for no good reason

@@skeetsmcgrew3282it’s still really messed up and adds even more trauma to an already grieving family

No honestly that is probably the scariest part of the entire story. Imagine being dead and some random guy you barely know starts telling your family completely fictional stories about you to a point that they believe in a completely different view of who you were as a person. At that point, even if that view is ‘better’, your own legacy isn’t yours. Your life and the person you were in it is practically meaningless because the story outlives the author

@@guldmattbb473 But he was, like, an awful person by most accounts. Maybe caused by severe mental illness but that doesn't really excuse abusive behavior. So is a hideous truth really better? Like, I'd rather be entirely forgotten than be remembered as a troubled monster

​​@@skeetsmcgrew3282 the thing is that you have the choice to decide you'd want the lie more than your actual legacy. Evan essentially took that decision away from him completely after the fact and there's no way to ever ask him if he was ok with his reputation being tied to a guy he's barely spoken to before who only really did it to get into his sister's pants.

It wasn't funny anyway (fruit hanging so low that its rotten), and became much less funny because like you said, it doesn't even make sense

It's exactly what a teenage boy trying to sound cool would say

@@pseudonymous9153 Ikr? The OP here was spending way too long (that is, more than zero) looking for justification.

@@FlyNAA I mean I wouldn't put it past the terrible writers to have genuinely thought it was a good logical line. But it at least works I context, whether or not that's intentional.

Now that you mention it, I may or may not have a serious rocket science kink.

Um... literally neither of those are reasons for this kind of sociopathic behavior.

​@@StarWarsomania ITS A MEME

"The fuck you are, you're clearly a middle-aged man!"

This feels like heather saying “I’m a student” in crazy ex girlfriend 😄

StarWarsomania wooooooooooooooooosh

Reminds me of Jonah Hill's Adam Grossman at Benihana... (except somehow Jonah Hill is actually a more convincing 7 year old than Platt is as a teenager)

How do ya do, fellow kids?

I thought this as well and halfway through the movie, I realized he looks a bit like Fred Armisen as one of his Portlandia characters and now I can't unsee it....

@@jamiet.s.2137 He looks like Fred Armisen playing a teenager in a particularly hilarious/ridiculous Portlandia sketch.

“Watch what I can do!” 😂

Up until reading this comment it had never ocurred to me how good it would be to have Zoe's perspective on this. "Requiem" is a pretty solid song and I resonated with it a lot, that glimpse of the character that we're provided with then is quite human. Honestly I'd love to have someone reboot this with Zoe as the protagonist, even if it's just as fanfiction lol.

Ah, so it's like the version of Passengers everyone wishes we got... Damn.

This is Saltburn 🤣

And it’s actually good

To be fair that seemed more apologetic than bragging lol

Platt's the type of guy who'd lecture the public on how people like him are victims, and say they must check their privilege.

Ya that was a great line

He’s not the nice kid dealt a bad hand and looked down upon by the rest of the school, he’s the kid that people know what he’s like tell you to leave him alone

Sounds like decent ish story. The whole new girl in town, think the nice guy outcast is bullied and different, befriends him only to find out he is actually an outcast cos he sucks. So… twilight, or Heather’s. Never mind

Was looking for this quote called out. As someone who had to learn this lesson directly a few times...there are low-key problems with socializing that all awkward or socially-withdrawn people are sensitive and nice or need you, a little girl, to be their friend. Nope - don’t ignore the hair raising on the back of your neck.

@@mfenn7325 this reminds me of how after school shootings, shooters are often characterized as sad lonely kids who would have done nothing wrong if their classmates had just befriended them. The way that attitude pushes off the prevention of school shootings on the very victims has always made me extremely uncomfortable. Just the fact that some people would expect a child to go out of their way to befriend someone who is already unstable, possibly violent and often harbors some form of bigotry, in order to not get brutally murdered by that person is appalling.

Agreed

This statement was genius.

Evan Hansen propaganda. god

Dear Leader Hansen

This is what I’ve been saying for MONTHS, literally ever since I saw the damn thing.

i fully wheezed

😂😂😂😂😂

STOP AKFJSKFNSNG

Evan Hansen, Chris Hansen, Chris Evans … it’s all connected

Ah, okay, thank you! I wondered the same but I'm not about to watch this thing.

Wait, what?

It’s a *_WHAT_*

Dhar Mann vibes

better characterization than any other moment in the film

Sometimes it's fun to watch trash, to pick out those brief moments when the actors who probably knew it was going to be trash decided to just go with it and got the performance spot on. Unfortunately this is not that kind of trash.

This movie would have been at least 20% more funny if Evan had a flashback to him on a swing

This isn't especially relevant, but more comments will only drive up Jenny's place in The Algorithm so what the heck: Whenever a Naruto run comes up, I think of a video I saw ages ago of self-taught free runners using a professional gymnastics gym in front of trained ballerinas. One of the free runners did a Naruto run at a vaulting horse, and a ballerina commented that his form was "interesting."

44:44 for anyone wondering

Seen that one commented a few times hahaha that one she touched with a needle

YEEEESH LOL

Bro if people were better at knowing quiet boy ≠ nice boy

Truly a sentence that will live rent free in my mind indefinitely

This makes me _hmmmm_

Literally the exact same thing happened to me. As a bass, nothing can put into words my burning hatred for Broadway songs haphazardly slapped into choral arrangements

I am gradually discovering that apparently a universal experience for choir kids was having to sing these two songs

singing you will be found is a core memory for me and it is very much a negative one

Oh no

Y E S

How about Chris Pratt

I was thinking he looked familiar..

Yeah, the cinematographer didn’t know what the hell they were doing.

This is how white guys act what's the problem

@@theconsciousobserver6829 Nononono. He never punched a hole in a wall.

@@dildonius they aren't all that spicy though

He looks a lot like Rick Moranis in Ghost Busters when he's possessed by the Key Master!

Hahaha

"teenager imitates friendship with dead boy and INSTANTLY REGRETS IT"

@@hershelroswell *MUST WATCH*

dear evan hansen has about the same depth as a dhar mann video

@@FireBird826 dhar evan hansen.....

Right! It’s so cringe and the writing is so lacking in subtlety that you kind of *have* to lovehate it!

It’s the only like if the song cut from the film, weirdly enough

Also evans dad is pretty absent i thought?

When I watched it on West End (British Broadway) I interpreted it as an ironic joke because neither Evan or Connor are close with their dads at all, not homophobic

On this note, "You Will Be Found" is so hypocritical. How are we supposed to take seriously the message of "when it's dark people will be there for you", while Connor was alone to the point of committing suicide and is now having his memory overwritten with lies?

I think we're to assume that all the "guilt, grief, and uncertainty" happened normally as it would for any grieving family, and the musical focused on Evan's story rather than it.

You know, I think I should take a moment an recommend to you a film that tackles something like this much better. A film called World's Greatest Dad, starring Robin Williams. In that movie, the character Lance Clayton is an underappreciated high school English/Poetry teacher, who has a passion for writing and yearns to become a famous author. He's a man who gets looked down upon by many, including his own son Kyle, who is an ungrateful misanthrope. One night, he finds Kyle accidently killed himself, and Lance, distraught by seeing his own son dead, especially in a very humiliating way, stages his death as a suicide, to salvage a bit a dignity for Kyle. While nobody finds out what actually happen, a student manages to obtain Kyle's "suicide note" and publishes it in the newspaper (Because that's what any sane person would do, RIGHT!?!?!). But much to Lance's surprise, everyone starts to praise him for having such a "lovey intelligent son" like Kyle, claiming to be his friend, and become fascinated by him. Therefore, Lance takes advantage of this to get the attention he's always wanted, and decides to publish a fraud journal under Kyle's name about "things Kyle did, before his death". But something to note is that the movie knows that what Lance's doing is self-serving, especially if you think about the movie's title. But you are still able to empathize with Lance, even if what he's doing is wrong. However that wasn't what the film's focus was about. You see, instead of the release of Kyle's "journal" having everyone connect with him and each other, it's made clear that's BULLS**T. Because the people who are claiming that they were connecting or inspired by Kyle, were the same ones who detested him (although, justifiably so...). They never knew him or cared about him, but are just hopping onto the bandwagon, using Kyle's death to signal their own virtue. The film's premise was meant to be a satirical black-comedy, on how people make the dead become celebrities and how everyone starts saying how they knew this person and cared so much about them, but what if these people were actually bulls**ting, behind our backs this whole time. So World's Greatest Dad works because it's not trying to be some lecture about mental illness, but creates a premise that has a protagonist you empathize with, while getting some good laughs at how absurd the whole scenario is. But Dear Evan Hansen tries to lecture about mental illness, makes the protagonist someone you're expected to sympathize with (but actually want to strangle the living crap out of), and tries to be all emotional and dramatic with it's absurdity.

@@osmanyousif7849 Yay, thank you for this excellent summary and analysis! "World's Greatest Dad" is one of my top favorite films and it's very underrated (but you certainly need to be in the proper mood for it, emphasis on DARK comedy). And since I'm not a musical theater person, I had never heard of "Dear Evan Hanson," so when I first saw the movie trailer a few years ago my first thought was, "Oh, so it's like the plot of 'World's Greatest Dad' but a drama taken seriously?" I've since learned, despite not seeing the DEH movie, that its execution is terrible and tasteless, and much like how Jenny talks about "Heathers" - "World's Greatest Dad" is another example of how this premise and satire works SO much better as a black comedy.

yeah, i love the song "requiem" but the dad's verse always rubbed me the wrong way, zoe had a valid reason to choose not to mourn connor, but "i gave you the world, you threw it away" is such a shitty reason to choose not to mourn your dead son. i understand anger is one of the stages of grief, and it's one that's not looked into as often as it should be, and grief _can_ oftentimes present itself in a "selfish" way, human emotions aren't perfect and all, but they completely fuck it up here imo. for a show trying to preach about mental health, they seem to completely ignore things that could have helped connor's mental health or kids like him in favor of whatever the hell they thought they were doing here. it's as shallow as something like 13 reasons why

Jenny with a witty, devastating take-down is just as deadly as The Bride in "Kill Bill" with a sword- She DESTROYS.

Zoey: "what about the time he tried to break down my door, telling me he was gonna kill me for no reason?" Jenny: "wow, I cant believe he told her it was gonna be for no reason." Jenny is a professional piss taker.

My all-time favourite definitely doesn't show off Jenny's staggering facility of language as well as the one in the OP but it's still too good not to mention. When she did a reading of Colin Trevorrow's leaked script for Star Wars Episode IX, a new character was killed off and her response was, "he died the way he lived - wasting my time!"@@reneedailey1696

you skipped my favorite part of that line, the "in shambles!" "So you've got a scene with a bunch of normal looking characters, and in shambles this big hunching mop-headed man, eyes sunken into his artificially puffy face, warbling out high notes like an anxious Jiminey Cricket" (agreed that this line is amazing, it's one of my favorite lines from jenny ever)

Jenny is so funny cause you can just tell she’s been on the internet a WHILE. Like she’s been in these streets, an expert troll and counter-troll

LOL I have no idea what the context of this is but that cracks me up

WHAT DDSDGHIK

@Eduardo De Lara Season 10, I forget which episode. Ru was talking to Miz Cracker about opening up or being vulnerable or something.

Ben Platt who plays Dear in Dear Evan Hansen

absolutely

oh my GOD that would have been so much better

God damn, that is fantastic.

YES.

You should have edited this movie

Honestly woulda loved that, very surreal, and you know Colm would dominate those songs

Omg yes 😂

😂😂😂

Pretty much.

That is why I do not dress that way, seriously.

😂😂 I do feel just as ghoulish and unsettling in front of people, it's true

Oh my god you're right that's a horrifying point

I was looking for this comment before making itself.

oh jeez, I didn't even think of that. considering how many depressed people I know (including myself) who love musicals that might be an issue. Thankfully none of us actually like this one

To be fair, depressed teenagers (or generally anyone suffering from depression) will fit anything into a “the world is shit and possibly better without me” box. That’s what meds and therapy are for, because it’s simply not true, but the feeling won’t go away, even if everyone tip-toes around them.

@@ellazenzen8735 We did when we were 14 or 15 years old, but by the time 2019 came around basically everybody in the fandom grew out of it.

Also, I've got to say, if my sibling died and some random kid started lying about being close with them to date me and I found out I would be going to jail for attempted murder.

it was certainly one of the more interesting sides of musical fandom lol. i was on tumblr at the exact same time and when i read the synopsis for dear evan hansen for the first time, i remember being so dumbfounded that this was the musical ppl latched onto. at least the gay jokes in the other popular musicals at the time weren't so cruel....

I remember thinking “aw that’s cute. Maybe it’s a musical about a couple of bff’s who like fall in love or something. I’m gay, I like that shit” and it ended up being a drama about suicide and exploitation and I felt really weird about myself afterwards.

@@gabriellegoodwin4422 i'd seen "sincerely me" and thought the same thing, i thought it was some goofy dark comedy thing based on the tone of that song. it was not. it's wild how vastly different in tone that one singular song is, and honestly if they'd kept that dark comedy vibe throughout the whole thing i would have liked it a whole lot more, but they try to play all of this completely seriously and do a piss poor job.

i've always thought that the whole musical was in the same light as the sincerely me song because it's probably the only one that ever got into my circles enough to draw any attention. i was going to by the plot because the song made it look almost self-aware and darkly comedic. the shock i felt after watching this vid and learning that the rest of the play is drastically different lmai

;D

I like to think Tenacious D's "Tribute" is about the same song as One Direction's song.

@@Stevonicus You stole my joke, you beautiful bastard.

Just to be clear, the best song ever would NOT go Oh Oh Oh or Yeah Yeah Yeah….or Ooh

@@LateCambrian there are a lot of people who think She Loves You is the best song ever I've heard that... at least twice...

"Words fail" is what the songwriters were thinking when they couldn't write their way out of this dead end. Somehow their internal monologue made it into the lyrics

Evan: "Dude I played along with this lie to try to fill my inner void and so did you."

@@dialecticsjunkie7653 *cinemasins voice* the writers' dialogue somehow ends up as the first line of the song. it also happens to be a line I said when I found out this was the film's main conflict! [ding]

I think he's aiming for EGOT 😑

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Still salty about that honestly when Great Comet was right there. “No One Else” alone has more integrity than the entirety of DEH.

@@rgs8970 he will fail

@@missmusicalsrock oh my god yes! I will die mad about the fact that it lost best musical! It’s got a clear story with intense emotion and a metric ton of bangers.

It's because beards hide mouth wrinkles. A neatly trimmed beard can make you look younger.

@@addstrat1207 Interesting. I always thought guys looked younger after shaving their beards.

He also just looks… normal outside of the movie.

He looks like a slightly younger Dennis from It's Always Sunny. Which is not the look you want, unless you're going for the psychopath angle.

In 'The Politician', which was filmed the same year I believe, Ben Platt plays a teenager and passes well enough as one. He's still clearly not a teenager, but it's more forgivable due to the hair and makeup helping out. The makeup and the hair in this movie are just not it whatsoever. Even if I forgave the hair, THE MAKEUP plssss they didn't even try

Bob Saget would have made it funny. Or turned it into a very special episode of Full House about how DJ and Kimmy learn that its wrong to laugh at the socially anxious kid at their school.

Huh. I was actually going to give Ben the benefit of the doubt after reading that the director said that the main goal of the film was to capture his performance for posterity (yes, really). I thought that perhaps he was told to perform exactly like he did onstage, but it sounds like he wasn’t.

@@anonymoussaga8723 Yeah idk what to say. I went with my class of like 35 people and 30 of us were openly crying at his live performance but I definitely didn't feel that same energy when watching it with my friends (some who knew the story and some who didn't) on our TV. I get it's not as impactful through a screen but we were in a more comfortable place to cry and we just kinda stared...

​@anonymoussaga8723 if the goal is to capture the performance for posterity then there should have just been a professional recording of the stage musical...

​@@SuzER08 yeah but if they post a recording they cant make a profit /s

⁠@@avelynn5976 if only they can find some way to profit from a recording…

The movie really needed a scene of someone coming to see him in his half-lit bedroom and him just swiveling straight up into a standing position.

Not nosferatu lmao lm deadd

Now I'm imagining a much better version of this musical where Evan is a vampire and it's like a black comedy where he eats Connor and makes up this elaborate lie to try and maintain his cover as a human teen

@@flowerheit4512 That is already a better movie

Rare reference. I like it.

I'm a 37 year old man and I almost dropped my phone when I saw it.

Fear Evan Hansen

@@booktales1687 The parody this movie deserves, and the audience needs

Can this movie be enjoyed ironically -- so bad it's good? Or is it too boring or unpleasantly bad?

I legit pulled away from my screen at that, it was terrifying.

Ben should’ve gone round the halls saying “how do you do fellow kids?)

It would have been effective if they had a likeable, young (-looking) actor play the character as he is seen by other people and then Ben Platt could have played him as seen by himself. Like, in reality, he's a typical teenager, but in his own mind he is Ben Platt.

thank you for making me burst out laughing wtf

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Omg thanks for this!!!! I wasn't expecting it but it resonates so much!!!

@@janeeyre1990 I am wheezing at this comment 🤣

NTA OP you meant well.

"a guy from my highschool died and now everyone thinks I'm his best friend and I'm dating his sister under the pretense that I am the only person who knows what her brother was like but I don't know a thing about this guy, AITA?"

@@chocomelo454 "okay so i know that title sounds bad.... BUT"

@@stumpcluber "HEAR ME OUT."

@@chocomelo454 LMFAOOO

WHAT??

@@littlemau1360 there are actually at least two sets of Evan Hansens dating!

This is hilarious.

@@aelrah omg

This makes me think of Jenna from 30 Rock dating Paul who does drag of her

It really is! Kind of the opposite of “watermelon” 😁

Even worse, writing a whole song that isn't a continuation of, "You've been hit by/You've been struck by/TRUCK!"

two trucks by lemon demon 😎

Truth

Almost the entire genre of modern country music would disagree with you.

Wow, never read the book so didn’t know Miguel existed! Also, I’m glad I’m not the only one watching (or in my case rewatching for the 10th time) in April 2023 ☺️ The rewatchability of Jenny’s videos is off the charts!

Honestly if that turned into Miguel becoming the real hero and exposing Evan it would be interesting

Wait, so is Connor a ghost in the book?

Yeah I can tell you why Miguel didn't make an appearance: would be too difficult to explain away. This story already hinges on like 57 things happening exactly that way without someone questioning it, if yet another person shows up being like "hey so I knew Conner and who the f are you" it would absolutely crumble

@@madeniquevanwyk I think in the book they met in rehab. It could be a really damning way to expose him, like Miguel could have contacted Alana after seeing the letters about his suspicions. It would be kind of a twist, and a better reason for doubting Evan than ‘he was getting better in the letters’ or ‘Evan got the date he broke his own arm wrong’.

Ooooh, thanks for sharing.

I mean they TECHNICALLY killed the character off so they kind of did lol

If the dude’s career is dead then at least he got to hit the first woah seen on film

The actor was an understudy in the original musical, which is crazy because yes, he is obviously an extremely talented actor and in some ways that makes him perfect for the role of "guy who wasn't really given a chance and now he's just a character for others to control"

If he and the girl who played Alana get film careers out of this, it was all worth it.

@@adamwarlock1 Amandla was in Darkest minds, the hate you give, and was rue in the Hunger Games???? Lmfao

Because it’s 100% correct. Evan isn’t the nice kid with social anxiety who’s alone because he has trouble connecting he’s the quiet kid who nobody talks to because everybody who does know him know he’s bad news and should be avoided

@@mrcritical6751 i think its more like no one knows he's bad news because no one talks to him, and we all just assume he's nice and quiet instead

@@mrcritical6751 yeah, it’s sad when people are like this, there was this girl who i thought was just kind but shy so i talked to her, then upon talking to her i realized why she didn’t have friends because she would try to look up bakudeku p0rn on my phone and show me even when i told her i was uncomfortable with that, she also is incredibly rude to teachers who are nice to her, she makes offhand rude comments about people, and doesn’t do any schoolwork but instead looks up my hero academia r18 things on school computers

@@meimae7804 These things doesn't even sound bad. Normal highschoolers do these kind of things all the time,nobody is perfect.

@@exosproudmamabear558 also another exol

I LOVE YOU

Because Ben's dad was the producer

@@JinStreams Fair point

Same! I was really disappointed when that song was cut, it's my favourite and it would've made the movie perhaps a biiit more tolerable for me than the hell that it is.

This comment made me go watch an animatic of it, and yep you’re right it’s the best song in the musical. Better than Sincerely Me, just cuz this one isn’t terribly sad and sinister with context.

literally. i refused to watch this movie even though i enjoyed the musical simply FOR the songs and FOR the reason that evan is absolutely the villain. i never pitied evan and appreciated how the musical showed that people who seem like they’re being really nice are actually fucking evil. but the way they totally bastardized the characters in the movie and tried to be like “poor baby :(((( poor little evan and poor alana and poor jared and poor conner :(((((“ like nah they might have mental illnesses but do not have immunity from their awful, AWFUL behaviors.

what i didn’t include in that other comment is that i enjoy good for you because it SHOWS how even people who were in the gig for their OWN profit are hurt by evan who was WORSE than them. it shows that evan really is the villain.

SAME!!!!!! good for you is one of my fav musical songs from any musical- and I was so disappointed to see it cut out :( not to mention having such a big impact on the other characters

"Yeah, this'll make great content"

I expected something about Evan ending up in a cringe compilation but this was even better 🤣

This and the Hannah Montana vocals over the house killed me

This will do numbers on r/cringe

"Top 11 Idiot Children Doing Cringeworthy Things While Publicly Grieving" The heart-warming lockdown content that the clickbait algorithms have decided we need right now

That’s so messy oh my

I’m so sorry, I feel bad for laughing! 😂 Poor you! Your poor friend!

It's such a bizarrely gruesome choice for Javert to jump into a brick thing like that anyway, when in the original novel and presumably most versions of the musical he drowns himself. I think part of the impact of the suicide is also in how intentional drowning has to be, like you have to stop yourself from doing things to make you survive, which I think shows the audience just how dramatic of a change in Javert this is, that he's able to so fully resign himself to death after being so dogged previously.

@@ruthie8785 Nooooo Ruthie NO!!! ..but also hilarious!

@@ruthie8785 you mean it's the the age he's coming IN ?

what are you saying? we can't have a guy and a girl together in a movie and _not_ have them fall in love! /s

HONESTLY THOOO, like it’s super creepy how he has a crush on her and basically uses her head brother to make a move on her 😭 plus he did kinda like the family so sibling envy would have been better tbh

Better yet, that happens and they get together anyway. The classic enemies to siblings to lovers arc.

@@MackenzieChandlerDunnavant That old chestnut.

They could have made it Hamlet but with siblings and the plot twist is that Evan murdered Connor so he could replace him in the family lmao

It’s the tumblr “lil boy” syndrome. There’s a lil guy who’s a soft boy and it doesn’t matter what he does because the fanbase has a strange mixture of maternal affection and attraction towards this lil dude. It’s a phase a lot of fandom kids go through and thankfully most of us make it through

@@gabriellegoodwin4422Tumblr has a soft spot on some controversial characters and can only see them as character who can do no wrongs.

I'm sorry for your loss and hope you've been able to process your grief.

Even if the movie was incredible, you don’t have to support shows or movies like this. No one gets to choose for you what media is conducive to your grieving process. I’m so sorry for your loss

jeez I never thought of that but you're so right

Yes! I'm not the only one thinking that! Great summary, thank you!

One of many ways the story could've been improved would've been by having Evam crumble under the weight of the situation and confess. He and the whole situation would have felt much more believable if he'd just naturally come to find what he was doing unbearable, instead of needing to be prompted by [checks notes] a grieving family getting canceled on social media because of contrived misinterpretations of the alleged suicide note his "friend" leaked after being given it in confidentiality because she wanted to boost a Kickstarter to buy an orchard. The story tries so hard to make sure the audience sees Evan as sympathetic that they just end up making him look like a psychopath.

I feel like this could make an awesome dark comedy. Imagine him digging himself deeper into his worst nightmare as he keep lying to cover up for himself.

Honestly I think I would like the plot if Evan weren't an attempt at a sympathetic character & was purely a deceiving manipulative dude using his quiet demeanor to lure people into thinking he's a sad, gentle, shy teenager. I mean, people always say that sch**l sh**ters (I don't want the YT algorithm deleting my comment) are sad shy dudes. & of course not all sad shy dudes are manipulative but you're right that Evan's anxiety & insecurity, which we KNOW to be genuine, appear incongruous with his role as skillful manipulator relying on charm & social skills to deceive a grieving family. What if the anxiety & insecurity weren't genuine? I think that could be an interesting plot on its own.

Well to be fair about the anxiety part; I have that too and others do too and the did display him as struggling to even make that speech in both the play, movie, and novel. Anxiety doesn't stop you from making a speech in total, you CAN do it but it's just so difficult and takes calming down to realize that you have it/you can do it. Sometimes you can push through your anxiety, especially in the moment where Evan found himself/talked about himself (f*cked up since it's someone else's memorial) and finally got to tell people how he felt. You can make a speech without confidence, and he did lie without the confidence and anxiety, anxiety just made it harder for him to handle the monster he created and stressed him out even in the novel. It was just the matter of him finally cracking, you can be a terrible person/lie even with severe anxiety.

A lot of people with anxiety are compulsive liars, where they're so used to lying, it doesn't trigger a stress response anymore and telling the truth can even feel more stressful. That's one of the few things that's actually realistic about the portrayal of mental illness.

@@juliamavroidi8601 yeah, the speech is unrealistic but the continuous lies are pretty normal. At least I lie daily and I too have anxiety. Lies can be comfortable since you're not exposing a reality you might find shameful or embarrassing. We also lie to appear normal.

@@alemunnoz agreed, though in my experience even though I'm used to lying and can do it fairly well, it still stresses me out to hell and back, but telling the truth is even worse. Quite literally choosing between hell or high water.

I have high social anxiety, and I am a terrible liar. I can't tell a good lie when it's important, and people can usually tell immediately when I am lying. I was also raised to not lie, and I'm always worried to lie to people because I don't want them to think I'm a fake deceptive person. it sounds like I'm the weird one here though.

Same. I thought it would be a genuinely good story that touched on the intricacies of grief, like "Requiem" with the "we should mourn but I don't really feel it" sense for the sister, or "Break in a glove" with the "I should've been a better dad but it's too late now" for the dad. Instead... Well, this.

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To be fair, Cats had no plot in the first place.

@@halfdemonprince Isn't it about a buncha furries talking about their character backstories?

@@ahhh4117 The loose plot is a bunch of cats competing to get into cat heaven. The actual plot is a vehicle for a number of technically impressive song and dance routines, loosely connected through some shared ideas, imagery, and the conceit that these characters are cats. Which, coincidentally, is why it was a terrible idea to have a director who does not engage with metaphors on their level and instead tries to make everything as literal as possible do the movie adaptation in (mostly) live action.

😂

I think it may even be an attempt to make himself appear smaller. You know, so he doesn't look so much like a 45 year old man.

@@nonesuch6833 Boy, did that work well for him-

To be fair, in stage acting everything needs to be exaggerated for people who are way far back but good god why did no one tell him stage acting is a whole other ballpark than film

As someone with anxiety, I can confirm we are not missing vertebra, but my spine is so anxious it can't stay straight

Anxious people just walk with their head down, and maybe slightly quickly with bad posture

Nail on the head

Hope you’re doing better mate, i really do

Michael Myers was a quiet boy…. 🎃

Yup, we get the two confused a lot

@@lordhirudo5311 LMAOOO 😭

Shinji was a quiet boy, but thats about it

Reminds me of Into The Woods. ‘You’re not good, you’re just nice.’ Coincidentally, that musical for having a far better song about not being alone.

This is what I want

then itd be finally watchable

This made me want DEH to just follow the plot of His Face all Red somehow.

I would genuinely enjoy this so much, and i hate that you've put this idea in my head because it's an infinitely more interesting show that does not exist

You're thinking of Megamind

THATS WHAT I WAS THINKING lmaoo

He should have made finger guns for "shoot the breeze"

THIS COMMENT HAS ME ROLLING

Thank you, I was wracking my brain trying to figure out why he looks so unsettling

Thank you for your help

This comment should be illegal!🙊

@@funpolice5821 What are you? The fun poli- oh SHIT.

It just demonstrates how our society is morally bankrupt.

Yeah I have no idea how that works. I’ve only listened to Good For You from the musical, never seen it, but that song told me more than enough about what Evan did. The dude could’ve come clean at any time and stop digging himself a hole, but he didn’t. Great work, Hansen.

It's a problem of trying to add a conflict and arc for the story but it just makes things worse

Honestly...hauntingly similar to stuff some dudes would actually pull these days. Awkward dating app screenshot compilations come to mind.

I liked some of the songs at first when I heard them without knowing what the musical was about. After I read the plot I couldn’t enjoy them anymore. Just imagining somebody were to tell me lies about my dead family member and gaslight me into believing I never knew them at all… it’s truly horrifying.

he's not?

@@irlmeow He's 28 I think.

@@goosegas2087 h o w

@Linda Les More like how Tom cruise looked at 50, which was 37

Absolutely this. And until the clips in this of him in interviews I had thought he at least *looked* way older like this in day to day life, but apparently not? They just… seriously managed to somehow make him look *way* older than he does normally, while specifically trying to make him look way younger? Like it just completely backfired, and yet no one involved went “Ok, this isn’t working, what if we just didn’t do this and he looked 27 instead?”. It’d be awkward but still better than this! Truly amazing work.

bro I hope you meant leaves as 🍁 🍃 😂😂 cause that got me laughing

@@masonthejar8890 *explodes into a cloud of leaves, disappearing into thin air*

Leafs

"evan is like a tree" *makes like a tree and leaves*

lmao was that intentional

Same! I usually listen to Jenny’s videos in the background so I didn’t even realize the first several times lol