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@quantumuninstall that's what I commented I was saying they should do some body panels with some kind thin lexan or carbon fiber would be better but just something to help with the aerodynamics. It would not add much weight but it would definitely help with the speed
@@NicCageForPresident2024 with the amount of connections that these youtubers have, they cant find a company to hook them up with a one piece front end? I find that hard to believe. Even if it costs a couple grand to make. Whats a couple grand to these guys?
Aerospace engineer here: you need aero on the entire car. As long as you use light enough material it will improve the times more than the weight savings would. Also design it like a water drop as much as possible and go for smooth edges. I believe you could get in the low 8s like this as long as you have grip
Aerospace engineer here: The biggest problem is the low air pressure pocket behind the windshield. It appears they want the kart style look on the plaid, so in that case they would need some inward facing fins to help with the pocket. But as for the rest of the body small panels or fins on the tube frame to create a better streamline.
@@thlightest9827Mechanical engineer here: Due to all weight removed, the suspension isn't working optimally, making the car sit quite tall from what I can observe, and probably making it a fair bit more bouncy. This, combined with the poor tire choice for this application, and the fact that they removed the front bumper, which acts as an air dam making a low pressure area under the car, exerting downforce. So, I'd first upgrade the tires and fit either a front bumper or fabricate a splitter for up front, as both can be done quite cheaply. Suspension upgrades would be great, but I don't think there are many Tesla aftermarket suspension options? After all this, it might be worth it to dive deeper into reducing the drag, but the current greatest gains are to be made on traction issues.
I remember when he sent Kyle home a little upset. But i think that is why he always tries to help Kyle go faster. Mr Taal is a Gentleman of the highest order.
With all the weight gone, the suspension might be setting different. How about checking the alignment and making sure the tires are getting full contact? I agree with putting something back on the front for some wind drag.
James is such a nice guy, not for just helping his "friends" but for the time or two he gave me [and countless other randoms] some pointers that knocked a few tenths off my times. Truly a gentleman racer.
Can you share those tips? I was late to work yesterday, and with the three red lights on my way to work, those tenths of a second could add up to a whole second before you know it.
accurate? it'd electrical signal that uses the same voltage and current every time. All the driver has to do is stomp the pedal, there is no adjusting the throttling.
Swapping those heavy 21”s (65 lbs each!) for a lighter 19” wheel will give at least a tenth and a half. The Tesla 19”s are 56 lbs, and we’ve run 9.15 @ 152 MPH on them 👍 Kyle, I’ve got a set of Nittos on lightweight 20” wheels I could loan you if you’d like to make a few passes on them. See ya back at Bradenton soon-
36 pounds of unsprung mass makes a noticeable difference, even with 1020HP. More sidewall helps traction quite a bit as well, which is why so many drag racers will swap down to like a 15” rear wheel when it works with their brake setup…
The Model S has self leveling air suspension, so it should be automatically compensating for the weight loss. The ride height doesn’t look to be all jacked up. It could probably still benefit from a more drag strip optimized alignment though.
On the Aero for the strip, I don't think the front bumper and fenders are going to do much. Hood will give some improvement, but the biggest aero issue you have is the giant pocket of low air pressure you're creating behind the windshield, which increases with speed. Ideally you want to remove the rear shock towers and add body panels to make the whole rear end have a fastback shape. If you want to keep the kart-style, id put some inward facing fins that also roughly make the shape of a fastback. Or maybe there's a way to add something like the Mclaren Elva's virtual canopy where you put an airscoop on the front that directs air through the firewall and blows straight out from the top and sides of the windshield? And you want to use the spoiler, your're going to get a significant downforce improvement if you have a roof, or mount it much higher up. It needs to be outside of the low air pressure bubble. Side panels dont have as much of an effect.
@@orielism ee seeems loike such a niice bloke innit blud. on chewsdays we wotch boosted boiz and go to the shoppes to puuurchase some crisps, then we turn on the tele innit
Add the front back on, also do something with the bar over your front window, that also catches a lot of air :) This is awsome to follow :) Regards from Norway
@@tylerlivingston5800 @Jake_Hamlin @elijahcortez965; Apparently You'All have not seen Tesla Plaid Racing, which is the Tesla which Kyle [thus has seen the videos at least] is referring to which has ~ 700 lbs reduced, 4240 race weight including driver, has AV104 wheels, M/T 18" 275 Street Radials on the rear, 19" Michelin on the front, achieves 8.73 sec. ET, 162 MPH TS, 1/4 mile !!
I always love seeing James on other peoples video man, guy is always willing to share his wisdom, no matter if it’s Kyle with his Tesla or Adam with his rotor, dude is definitely a drag racing guru
Seems to me that the original as bought and fixed time of 9.66 means they are already fighting a tough battle since the starting time for this specific damaged Plaid is quite a bit slower than many stock Plaids at the strip that get 9.3s and 9.4s without any modifications. If you had a Plaid that started out with a 9.4 and stripped it like they did then they would already be even lower into maybe the 8.7s.
Nice! That 60 ft was the ticket.. front aero is important but rear is equally important.. it's like a parachute now. Some sheets of lexan(like an RC Car) on sides, top and back will get your top end back.
You guys really need to triangulate the rear bars on the shock towers to the main bar down below the front seats. In a crash or anything those bolts will not hold. Ideally you want to triangulate all bars.
This EV is too complex for them to play around with ... So the only thing they can do to make it faster is by removing the weight .... lolllllllllllll....
Looks very good guys ! You should be able to reduce the weight by half again if you remove the battery pack and redo the cells into packs of your own. If you only need X amount of cells per 1/4 mile run you should be able to hot swap multiple lightweight battery packs so theres always a fully charged pack ready. I'm an old mod for Jehu Garcia's youtube channel and got Rich of Rich Rebuilds onto his channel btw , so i almost know what i'm talking about . lol
My thoughts exactly that and better tyres with lightweight wheels and more aerodynamic front panels as you said the biggest holdback is the Weight of the batteries and Tesla controlling the whole car is also a set back
@@scotttod6954 Then for each run you recharge it with a big generator. Keep in mind that the Tesla Model S consumes about 1.7 kWh to run the 1/4 mile, so you'd need a 20hp generator to get a the supercapacitors up to full in just over 5 minutes. That 1.7 kWh figure though accounts for the sheer mass of the 100 kWh battery which can do 58 runs before being fully dead, each of those runs steadily getting slower and slower as the battery voltage sinks in an exponential decrease, staying high for a while before it sinks faster and faster. Thankfully supercaps deliver their maximum current right up to the point where they're dead, so no performance loss as they drain!
@@kasuraga That might work, the trailer could easily handle the 3/4 ton of battery and they could take it to a Supercharger to top it off for a track day :P
@bodaducheebodaduchee6473 they are still running a street tire. Once they put slicks on it the traction issues will go away. That thing is still heavy for a drag car.
It actually is one of the most aerodynamic cars ever designed. When the Model S came out it, it had the least drag of any production car ever made. James has a lot experience and was able to get that little bit extra. Pretty awesome.
@@teriyaki_joe Oh stop it, you know that just isn't true. Please take your BS and go somewhere else, real people in this chat seem to like fast fking cars...
Ya know, I really didn't care for the plaid when u first got it, but honestly, u guys have been having a blast with it, and it's been an exciting journey, and it's only the beginning can't wait to see how far u go
This is absolutely amazing. I remember watching this video like 5 months ago. Anyways I had a science test today about weight and acceleration and this is the first thing that popped in my head, this video and the lightness, APPRECIATE IT CUZ I JUST GOT AN A ON MY SCIENCE TEST TY SO MUCH MAN
Yo Kyle add some long travel suspension and paddle tires to this thing.. i personally wanna see it(I’m sure others do too) ripping on the dune with razzle dazzle.. that would be sick
@@jaumeferrer4868 explain to us how is it that those eco boost ford raptor hitting the dunes just fine with 5k curb weight.. I’m sure this E-Roy is more than capable
I'm also KW Kyle.W In Florida. Close to Bradenton , been there a few times! Weird... Congrats on your times. Fully built Honda Prelude blown up for the 4th time chilling in the garage for 20 years. Current car is my Audi S5 tuned nothing crazy but love her beauty. Speed is no slouch but no plaid either...
Hell no man! I’m loving this ev content. When you get these faster times it’s still amazing, to get the quickest time with ev I feel it’s harder because most ev’s are so consistent, it’s harder to get that lowest time. Keep up this awesome content!
The other stat that blows my mind is 1.83 0-60mph time. That is hyper car acceleration. Put on some slicks all around and make a carbon fibre one piece front clip and set some records.
I’ve loved this channel as an avid Cleetus channel fan, and I’m excited to start watching boosted bois more seriously. This is great!! And active uploads lately. Badass.
Well done! I'd get rid of that wing too. Honestly by the time it's providing any meaningful downforce you won't be traction limited anyway. All it's doing is increasing drag.
Aero on the front will help Computer limiter may be causing issues on top. Tires will help ,but great job guys. James came in clutch with the prep! 8.8 let's go
More clear, obvious, "Guestimates" without any actual proper knowledge, principles, concepts, certainly ignorant with aerodynamics, physics, reality as nearly everyone including Kyle & Wyatt. = Ignorance & Nonsense Good Luck
Really recommend talking to someone who knows aerodynamics when doing this though. Will really help you with this. The underfloor part you removed should definitely go back on. Also worth remembering that it's the rear end of the car that is the most important to aerodynamics, this is something a lot of people don't know. Taping up some of the rollcage, especially the roof will definitely be beneficial.
Not with the stock battery. Needs all of those paralleled cells to dump enough amperage and keep the voltage from sagging too much. I'd also be wary of using an aftermarket pack. Those dense lipo pouch cells get angry real easy. But it would be a lot faster if it could hook!
removing cells would lower the amount of current the battery can output to the motor thus slowing the vehicle down. not a good idea for wanting to go faster.
@@starfox_wr-45e93a replacement or custom battery is THE only way to make this go faster. Just goes to show how good they are from the factory. I guess there’s a reason for putting aluminium everywhere!
Congrats on breaking into the 8’s! I’d be curious to see what your battery temps are. If you have a supercharger near there, that would be ideal coming off it and hitting the track. The batteries like to be pretty hot and full for peak power.
I saw someone do just really heavy accel/braking on the highway for a while. I'd be curious to see because shouldn't you be able to log data? You could plot the temps and kW
Lighter wheels, sticky tyres and a little lightweight aero and I think you’ll be knocking on the record if not smashing it. After that you could look into halving the battery bank, smaller wheels/lightweight smaller brakes and even more weight reduction. I’m sure there’s also gains to be made once folk figure out how to get into the “ecus” for power curves and suspension/traction settings.
Exactly what I was thinking, I had a Nissan leaf EV and changed the wheels to lighter ones some rpf1 saved around 7.5 pounds per wheel felt like a 30hp gain would love to see what an extreme amount of rotational weight savings would do. Brakes etc would make a huge difference. Was night and day difference on the old leaf I was mucking around with. Aero makes a huge difference as well would love to see some crazy front end and wheel covers etc.
@@972CHENZO You are correct. There is one portion that is built though; The Roll-Safety cage and additional rear bars. However, they failed to properly build a proper Roll Cage as required by NHRA for 8.5 sec & 150+ MPH along with a parachute. How did BMP allow this to occur ? => during private track rental it seems they do not apply the proper safety requirements, rules ?!! @BoostedBoiz; @boostedboiz; Kyle & Wyatt, if You had accepted broper concepts, principles, reality, advice then You would have achieved the proper results already during these first runs A. Aerodynamics 1. affects significantly from 40-60 MPH increasingly exponentially with speed and acceleration a. known equations within physics b. proven reality by placing hand, arm outside any traveling vehicle and with any bicycle, scooter, motorized vehicles c. need full body, not just front end, including top, sides, rear to channel air properly, along with flat bottom panels. 2. affects launch, traction, etc. B. traction is key - as per Tesla Plaid Channel, Andrew and Tesla Plaid Racing in Canada [fastest, as referred 8.73 sec 1/4 mile, 162+ MPH] C. peak performance - batteries heated - have significant affect upon power available, thus via computer control 1. see posted videos from Andrew, Tesla Plaid Channel at BMP, OSW, 2. ask man in Canada, Chet, others D. As per man in Canada, Tesla Plaid Racing, improved traction with M/T 275 Street Radials, 1. rear tires minimum 2. perhaps will also improve with front too 3. still track preparation is key as seen a BMP, Canada man experienced in June 2023 compared with Napierville NHRA track 4. lighter wheels improve weight and rotating mass E. The rear wing will help with downforce, thus traction, if position and shaped properly 1. else drag increase 2. rear tail, flat wing may be more effective 3. consider proper air flow through front, under, out from under rear -> see NPK, Pro Mod, Funny Car, etc. 4. also need air release, flow which builds up within wheel wells too. F. The more effort placed into proper aerodynamics, the more efficient the use of the power/weight and imporved traction G. Please be extremely careful with brakes !! Note: Stock brakes and fluid are actually dangerous, overheat quickly, easily, not suitable for any racing conditions 1. As Andrew states, he runs only 4 consecutive passes, with minimal time, then more significant time break [may not be actually, properly sufficient - he is somewhat ignorant - proven by his statements] 2. As Chet and many others note, know, shown, proven the stock brake disks, pads become literally red hot during repeated, long time period high speed and road track use. => thus Brake Fade = serious danger !! 3. As Chet and many others note, know, stock brake fluid is only DoT 3 -> fist simple modification is replacing with DoT 4 for higher temperatures 4. second requirement is replacing with ceramic-carbon disks--rotors, improved, high heat, brake pad materials as Unplugged, RB Performance, others or Tesla H. Please consider more, proper safety including a full containment seat within this modified Tesla and all of Your vehicles sued for racing. All The Best, Sincerely
Loving the Tesla series! Congrats and like you know clean up that aero with better rims and tires and you have yourself the fastest tesla on the planet! Doesnt matter if its gas or EV its all about pushing the limits and doing things to cars the manufacture never intended or dreamed of. Thats motor sports to me!!!
I love this content, this has been a blast as I've always been curious about the Tesla plaid and how fast it could be! Thanks guys for making this happen and keep up the great work!
Pretty darn impressive. Jack stand Jimmy coming through with an assist. He’s definitely a smart racer to have on your side. If you guys get the aero front and improved rubber on the car I think you’ll definitely get much better times. That little Honda was crazy quick.👍👍🇨🇦
ditching the factory shocktowers at the rear and going custom likely will help, that whole setup is kind of like a parachute at the rear.. probably clean up the nose and just behind the fronts a bit as well
This late of a drop…this just happened today and he stayed up late editing…HELL YEAH KYLE….Content is amazing can’t wait for you to troll some drag cars like the old days taking the civic out on the highway!
- Page cainted black looks mint. - A set of coilovers and slicks suitable for spectator drags and it will dominate. - As mentioned elsewhere, this would be a ripper on sand!
Really awesome build! Just the name itself is fantastic. That said, you guys are way off on the aero talk. First off, the model S has fantastic aero from factory. It was the most slippery car in production when launched, not sure if it still is. That is the less important part though, the more important part is that you guys fundamentally misunderstand aero. Making changes to the front is positive to make the air stick better to the car but you will see the big gain if you cover the back of the car. Ideally, you want the shape to taper off like a water drop. Most aerodynamic drag is literally created by drag and that happens behind structures when you move through the air. What happens is that low pressure is created behind the structure, essentially sucking the car back. At the front, on the "pressure side" you will build up air pressure that pushes the air out of the way. So, if you want to try to really reduce the aero drag, cover the car using the cage with some light material.
That bar above the window is possibly hurting the aero a lot as it's creating so much turbulence of the top of the windshield Maybe try tuck it behind the windshield if possible
@@evank8459 That's not true at all! You can buy third party control units with custom firmware that let you control literally everything you could possibly think of! EV-Controls offers some that work with tesla drive units
What is so cool about this build is there are so many new and creative ways to go fast. They’ll be things explore that nobody has ever thought of. I love the absolute fresh opportunities. This build provides.
@@philipegoulet448 I guess I'm thinking of for swapping aftermarket batteries, which is how people typically build cars - from cheap parts. Also, over-volting motors could be big but again you prob need new batteries, and maybe a new controller.. certainly for the lower voltage vehicles out there rn. It'd probably have been cheaper to start with a bigger motor at that point. It'd be nice if there were cheaper parts, and crate engine solutions for such things. It'll get there eventually as people build more cool shit.
Without an engine in front i wonder if you could reduce drag by getting rid of/rearranging everything in the front to be as low profile as possible, get rid of the dash, recline the seat a ton, lower the windshield. Drag is a direct function of frontal cross section so with those changes it might help a ton!
Is it at all possible that there is still too much flex in the construction? Currently, there’s only the batteries on the bottom end and one rail line on the roof end. And the shock towers are only held in place at the bottom. I think you may want to enforce the shock towers and lay one additional tube right on top of the batteries to distribute the force. Also looking forward to your wheel housings.
First off, love the variety. I own a Plaid so of course I love it 😆, but I’m also a high HP ICE guy and building a twin turbo R8. Nothing wrong with having both 😊 Definitely something to be said about drag; I’ve trapped 151mph in my full weight Plaid and the ET was 9.3 so much slower The car is accelerating much quicker though; 60-130 in 4 is almost 1 second faster than a full weight Plaid Put something on the front to reduce drag and this thing should run 8.3-8.5
He said it still has AC right? Remove that, better wheels/tires, figure out that front aero, someone mentioned in the comments above about doing single battery packs that only work for one run, which will lighten up the car even more. I'd say with all that, we're looking at low 8s maybe high 7s, he's gona need to add parachute.
@@jay_wright I think the ac pump may need to stay if it’s involved in cooling the battery pack Also, a smaller battery pack will yield lower power being supplied to the motors so that probably isn’t an option. The 3 electric motors can put down more power that what they are doing from the factory. There are a couple “tuners” I know of working on cracking the factory software to add 100-200hp
Nothing Boring about fast passes down the track. Still having to do racing problem solving no matter the power source- hell, you have me interested in electrics and we run 5's in the 1/8 n/a. Good job guys and damn sure nothing boring, its still doing the problem solving to achieve goals . Loved it, im subscribing . Your good racers. Yep, i watched a couple other videos and heard of you through Cleetus/Brent at PFI , but this shows racing is racing which is :Vision and then 90 percent problem solving to get a vehicle to achieve vision and then driver skill/experience to deal with getting her down track well/safe. Great production as well. Good job. im a 67 year old racer /shop owner and i'm thinking_ i want a tesla to see what i can bring to the table to try and blow your cameras off ( cant blow your doors off-grin) That was a fun watch , really was. Great idea to spray track, drive through glue. Im thinking: drag radials , instead of tesla sheet metal, maybe some strategic fiberglass for the aero and wondering what can be done with shocks/valving ( perhaps not much ) .
I love the sounds those things make. I am ok with a new era of drag racing - Monster electric motors, insane amps, and super lightweight/aero. Hell, less people living around a track will complain about noise, lol
It's so wild I love it🚀. I'm worried. I wish you would put more bars to support the main hoop, nothing to support it above the harness bar nothing to support it from shifting diagonally.
Frikkin awesome 😮 James is a stand up dude to help out like that 😎 would love to see how you progress with this EV drag project and see what you get out with a little aero and tyre/wheel set up, maybe aim for those Low 8's 🤞😬 E-Roy is Mega 🚗⚡
I can see 8.5 with a lightweight body, more sticky runner, light wheels, and playing with the traction control. low 8's sounds hard to achieve though. the crazy thing is with just weight reduction, the car's just as fast as a 2000hp rimac nevera. mostly due to lower weight, but I'm pretty sure the tri motor has more traction than quad motor off the line. With the mass transfer, the rimac can probably only use about half of the torque on the front wheels, meaning accelerating more like a 1500hp trip motor. quad motor helps above 60 mph though EDIT the never was a really much quicker 8.25 with cup 2r's on the track. 0-300kph/186mph in 9.22s 😮
Who’d thought taking aero off of one of the lowest drag coefficient cars would slow it down 😅 Loving this series guys :D Glad you’re enjoying the Tesla
