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The world's rhotics 

Krishna the conlanger
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In this video I present to you the different "r" sounds (= rhotics) in the world's languages. I first talk about the three main categories of rhotics (alveolar trills, approximants, uvular rhotics). Then I go into some details, how rhotics interact with other sounds in a word. Thirdly I talk about Dutch and Portuguese, that to me are special cases considering rhotics.

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@gabrielrangel956
@gabrielrangel956 6 лет назад
One of my favourite topics in linguistics. Adding to the discussion on Brazilian rhotics The strong/long 'r' can be /R/, /r/, any ''guttural'' approximant or /h/. The weak/short 'r' is always /ɾ/ in the onset but might be /ɾ/, /ɹ/ or cause vowel lengthening or colouring in coda.
@ConlangKrishna
@ConlangKrishna 6 лет назад
Thanks for the details! Yeah, Brazilian has some rhotics to offer ;-)
@andrealmeida3569
@andrealmeida3569 4 года назад
Yet another subtlety, many older people in Portugal pronounce the /R/ as the spanish trill. To my understanding this was common in the past but seems to be disappearing. Others pronouce it as the guttural that easily decays into /h/. This page even claims that you can have all 6 rhotic variants across the different portuguese dialects: hackingportuguese.com/pronunciation/portuguese-r-the-long-version/
@joaopedrolang
@joaopedrolang 4 года назад
In the Brazilian South, the strong r found in carro (car) can be /r/ as in Spanish.
@bokatummtukote
@bokatummtukote 3 года назад
So many videos on youtube comparing languages and accent, BUT you actually SHOW the difference - and sooo well!!! More please :)
@joaopedrolang
@joaopedrolang 4 года назад
Awesome vid. In my dialect of Portuguese, is pronounced /ko.ɾɐ.'sɐ̃w̃/, with retaining its sound in the first syllable and becoming higher on the nasal spot in the final syllable.
@ShubhoBose
@ShubhoBose 5 лет назад
In most Indian languages, we have 3 different rhotics, all flaps though. One alveolar, one retroflex, and one aspirated.
@joanbrouwers152
@joanbrouwers152 2 года назад
Ik
@joanbrouwers152
@joanbrouwers152 2 года назад
Ik
@joanbrouwers152
@joanbrouwers152 2 года назад
De kinderen T
@joanbrouwers152
@joanbrouwers152 2 года назад
Ik aaRiwii
@joanbrouwers152
@joanbrouwers152 2 года назад
De Eiiwwh
@paranoidrodent
@paranoidrodent 3 года назад
That metropolitan French uvular R is slowly getting more common in Canadian French (our Rs are traditionally an older sounding, more rolled Rs, especially in old rural regional accent). My own R sounds more like the German R in Rot in your example than the Rouge. Some of my elderly uncles have Rs that resemble the Spanish RR in Perro due to their regional accent.
@ConlangKrishna
@ConlangKrishna 3 года назад
That's indeed fascinating. The uvular r is still spreading!
@paranoidrodent
@paranoidrodent 3 года назад
@@ConlangKrishna It's one element in the significant shifts occuring in French Canadian accents. Education levels rose dramatically during the last several generations and a standardized prestige form of our dialects has been normalized (including our own prescriptive authority which generally but not always concurs with l'Académie Française). The net result has been a tendency towards a more standardized, more international French overall (hence little things like shifts in the uvular R) but also the rise of a pride in our own unique dialect shaped by our history (a bit like how American English, Mexican Spanish and Brazilian Portuguese are distinct dialects from their European counterparts). It has also sadly led to our rich regional accents fading as they sound more like our main urban dialects with each generation and the urban accents themselves slowly grow more international (both due to education and immigration from across la francophonie). The change in how the French of my grandparents and great-grandparents sounded versus how the French of my cousins' kids sounds is dramatic. We're in a period of fast linguistic change and it's kind of fascinating to observe. Even my own spoken French has become my normative over the years as the culture around me shifted.
@marin4311
@marin4311 5 лет назад
Rhotics are quite confusing. When I went to China, I noticed the difference between the two different pronunciations of "r" in Northern and Southern China. Thank you for this very interesting video, Krishna.
@georgiusagricola4720
@georgiusagricola4720 4 года назад
i agree. my mother tongue is one sinitic language but not mandarin, we don't have any rhotic sounds. old generation would just make [l] sound for mandarin /r/, while young people taught since early stage would pronounce it 'right', but still quite different from native speakers.
@artugert
@artugert 6 месяцев назад
I just want to say that I love your videos and wish that you would make more of them!
@ConlangKrishna
@ConlangKrishna 6 месяцев назад
Thank you for your support! I have the plan to redo the full IPA chart, as my knowledge has grown. But I am running low in ideas what else to post about...
@LucBoeren
@LucBoeren 3 года назад
Your immaculate Dutch pronunciation offended me in that it exposed how raar it really is.
@fernandobautista3200
@fernandobautista3200 3 года назад
Great video, can I ask, do you know any app tha helps to type the letters of the IPA chard?
@vorqoo
@vorqoo 3 года назад
GBoard has IPA keyboard
@fernandobautista3200
@fernandobautista3200 3 года назад
Thanks a lot man, you are very helpful and I like your content.
@ellermg
@ellermg 6 месяцев назад
Very interesting video, thank you!
@kla2s65
@kla2s65 4 года назад
One can actually more or less tell by the way speakers of Dutch pronounce r-sounds what region they're from.
@eduardselleslagh-suykens6842
@eduardselleslagh-suykens6842 2 года назад
In Belgian Dutch only the 'Spanish' r and rr are used. Other pronunciations like uvular r, are manierisms.
@skeptic781
@skeptic781 4 года назад
Swedish uses all of these in different accents. The most common is the trilled though
@gonzalo_rosae
@gonzalo_rosae 2 года назад
Woww you know a lot man, and you pronounce very well all of the phonemes (at least the ones I know) Keep up the good content pls!!
@jonathansmith5801
@jonathansmith5801 5 лет назад
I confused the "R" Of the French and the German both are similar Cause are produced in uvular :(
@ConlangKrishna
@ConlangKrishna 5 лет назад
Yes, the German and the French "r" sounds are quite similar. If you have problems with the uvular sounds, just try making a snoring sound (when you make noise while you sleep). That sound is made by the uvula!
@johnclarke1319
@johnclarke1319 3 года назад
Interesting, but it is ˈrəʊtɪk with an əʊ
@mgk3176
@mgk3176 5 лет назад
I am Austrian, no single Austrian can pronounce that German R...😂
@athulfgeirsson
@athulfgeirsson 4 года назад
The uvular R is uncomfortable for me in some words, so it's enticing to switch into Austrian pronunciation for those ones
@mgk3176
@mgk3176 4 года назад
@@athulfgeirsson Yes, that's ok too :) When I have to talk standard German, I also don't use the rhotic and talk with my accent. :)
@viktorkhan8518
@viktorkhan8518 4 года назад
I would say r functions as an "a" sound instead of lengthening the vowel in, for example, British English and German.
@ConlangKrishna
@ConlangKrishna 4 года назад
In some dialects it does, in others it is pronounced more clearly. See Irish English or Swiss German. They both pronounce the "r" clearly.
@viktorkhan8518
@viktorkhan8518 4 года назад
Like when you say " Ich stehe hier" in modern German, it feels like you just replace r with an a, making it kind of like a "hie-a"
@johnpont2442
@johnpont2442 4 года назад
It is actually a palatalized rhotic with an immobilized tongue. Like when the cockney accent glottalizes the T sound in bu(tt)er by immobilizing the tongue. Or the french immobilizes the tongue in many final S or T's.
@gabor6259
@gabor6259 3 года назад
It doesn't have to be an "a". For example 'word' becomes something like 'wööd'.
@alanwhite3154
@alanwhite3154 3 года назад
@@gabor6259 yes, NURSE vowel vs START vowel.
@tunistick8044
@tunistick8044 2 года назад
*seeing the japanese kanji for heart* me immediately: *"SHINZHO WO SASAGEYO!!!"*
@Jorge-xf9gs
@Jorge-xf9gs Год назад
"Raro" in Spanish means strange.
@Enceladus2106
@Enceladus2106 2 года назад
I’m Dutch and I don’t pronounce the r like any of those lol. I’m not sure but it’s something like a velar approximant, a bit like a voiced fricative (not rly tho), not sure
@artugert
@artugert 6 месяцев назад
17:36 Not sure what you mean by saying that Mandarin confounds R and L. They have both distinct sounds.
@ConlangKrishna
@ConlangKrishna 6 месяцев назад
True, they are different in Standard Mandarin. I personally know quite some people from China who confound l and r when speaking other languages, in my case, German. Same for Thai, that also has both phonemes. I have the impression it's similar to English t and θ, or Spanish θ and s. Some dialects have them merged, even if the standard variant has both.
@artugert
@artugert 6 месяцев назад
@@ConlangKrishna I see. Yes, it's true that some people (not sure which area, but I guess the South somewhere) do pronounce Rs similar to L's even when speaking Mandarin. Some also pronounce Ns similar to an L. It would be interesting to find out who exactly does that. I would assume it's because they speak their local Chinese language more than they speak Mandarin.
@ricardomobile8479
@ricardomobile8479 2 года назад
Very complete and useful linguistic video
@phistuck
@phistuck 4 года назад
The 90s (and later) Hebrew R is no longer the French R or the Spanish R. It is much softer/shorter and somewhat less throaty, but not rolling.
@TheZenytram
@TheZenytram 3 года назад
and in Brazil we have all of those sound 😂. you can pretty easy find someone pronouncing any of those.
@fgaze72
@fgaze72 3 года назад
love a Trudgill map
@piadas804
@piadas804 2 года назад
In brazil it's also sometimes pronounced [r].
@joydeep2504
@joydeep2504 2 года назад
Does Krishna mean blue? It means BLACK as far as I know. make me correct if I'm wrong!
@ConlangKrishna
@ConlangKrishna 2 года назад
You are right, it means black, or dark blue.
@joydeep2504
@joydeep2504 2 года назад
@@ConlangKrishna Being an Indian, I've never used krishna as dark blue. Krishna paksh- dark fortnight Nice to know a new meaning of the word, Thank you
@666neoselen
@666neoselen 2 года назад
i'm sorry but the french r for tram & else, you're not right. This R isn't rolled at all (or else you're in a specific part of france but it would be part of a local accent), it's mostly as if you'd have the dryest mouth, and trying to pronounce an english r, kinda like a tiny blow. it could be compared as listening gas going out, leaking. just shape your lips like a "heh" or "hah" and you'll got it (in fact this part depends on the vowel before the r, otherwise your jaw goes a bit low). another technique is to pronounce a S but keep the tongue near the down part of the mouth and un-glue your tongue from the upper part of the mouth.
@ellermg
@ellermg 6 месяцев назад
Depends on who your talking to and where they're from, got some colleagues who say it with a rolled R and others don't
@sortingoutmyclothes8131
@sortingoutmyclothes8131 2 года назад
btw "raro" isn't "rare," it means "weird."
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