And knowledge and awareness, so many times I got dived or died but left the enemy near me with low health but my teammates have no awareness to hear or see my pings the enemy behind my teammates after I die and then it's "sUPpOrT DiFF"
@@hillwoop9101 depends, when we're talking skill are we only talking mechanical aim skill or also positioning and cooldown management, because I'd believe if they have a latter a sigma reaper can definitely counter winston and tracer if it's a skill issue
It can work out sometimes with two snipers. I remember dps player picked an widow while i went Ana. we perched up in good sniping spots while she got enemy players down or out. I follow up the shots to make sure kill confirmed or heal the rest of the team while they went in to brawl basically. good thing was if widow got low or someone snuck up on us. i could handle that with either a sleep dark or some heals.
Mine is a combo of Lucio, mercy, zen or brig where I get 0 burst heals so cant actually engage almost at all on the tanks I like to play In hindsight I should have specified rein because once a combination of those 2 walk out of spawn the "Correct play style" because be a wall, beep boop farm ult with fire strike beep boop and only actually works if the enemy team is already being diffed in some other level as it removes my own ability to have an impact on games, other than by swapping
@@FloptropicanPresident I mean specifically once I've already walked out of spawn as like reindhart, because it if that happens if I do try to do something like exchange some swings I almost immediately fall over if not just die from any person behind me, because once those 2 are picked the correct play style as a rein becomes be shield, farm ult which is the lest impactful and most boring play style possible as rein. On a different hero sure I could make brig zen work, I've actually won games with Mercy zen as zarya, but specifically on rein it means I pretty much have to swap or be extremely bored or give up any chance or being able to out play the enemy team, often meaning I have to swap. The support combos aren't necessarily bad , like in season 9 where Lucio zen saw pro play, but they can often create really boring play styles that remove me of any actual ability to do anything.
@@loqaxz5654 in the current patch that’s probably not the worst thing in the world 😂 me and my friend have been locking the Ana Brig (him on brig) and it seems to be fairing well in diamond
@@BrandonCollier-rm5ou I mean I am a 1 trick and I figured out how to counter basically everything in some way, shape, or form. Some characters are extremely annoying but possible if you know how to handle them.
I feel like the disregarding of things like comps in the first place is why so many people get stuck in the first 3 ranks with varying levels of mechanical skill.
@@fatnootz3466thats not true. any T500 one trick would steam roll through metal ranks on any hero. Cover usage, ult usage, not staggering, etc are way more important for low rank players. Hero pick doesnt matter unless you’re T500
@sxrk- not true when im playing tracer into ashe/rein. How can rein survive when ashe is shooting from range and im the only dps in the front? But then I swap to echo and then we start getting value. The only alternative is to lock in and start popping off
From my experience in high master and gm lobbies comps tend to be less of the 3 main archetypes and more countering tank or the most impactful member of their team. For instance if we walk out on doom instead of going full dive hero’s (lucio, Moria, tracer, echo, venture,etc) we play Ana to counter hog (dooms biggest counter) then we might add a cas to counter any ventures, tracers or any other dive hero’s that would kill Ana. The remaining players would play something to support the doom in his dives but I rarely see full dive or full brawl or full poke.
yeah seems this way in my like mid-low masters too. Ive never really worried about comp and i rarely hear anyone even talk about it outside of some leaving comment of complaining the tank or a certain player wasnt playing the comp, which is always poke mentioned because im guessing brawl and dive are probably confusing to people. Only thing people seem to know is some support comps, mercy lucio is no no and brig ana is good and to counter tank/support tank or dps. We got a hog then people want a kiri, genji we want an ana, phara and we want a mercy, they have a hog then ana, they have winston we want a brig ect ect.
ok but like, ana brig is typical dive supports, so ana is a dive support, also lucio and moira are both brawl supports, not dive supports. Also, orisa is dooms biggest counter (in terms of tanks) not hog, definitely not hog.
That reaper example was actually awful! The reaper on a poke comp whilst not ideal for sure isn't throwing or "anti synergy". Reaper forces the opponents to save defensive cooldowns to not be destroyed in close range, meaning that the poke team has more angles to play with, or less cooldowns to deal with since they're saving them. We can't just. Think. About the game as walking in a straight line.
Junk and Widow is a weirdly good pairing, I’ve realized? the inevitable sombra switch gets caught in his traps and has bombs thrown in her face, Tracer’s too. and Widow can pretty easily deal with pharah for him
Would really like to see a video(s) about map strategy (where to hold as a team on defense when spawn doors open on each map, etc.) Thanks for this vid you da man!
This is helpful for learning how to think about the big picture, thanks! Would love to see a video about which composition each hero fits. It's probably obvious to seasoned players but as a newbie it would be helpful!
As a low ranked ana who can't hit sleep darts, I've realized i shouldn't expect my team to turn around and defend me. moira and kiriko was meant for low ranked play.
On my main account at best im around low to mid plat on all roles. I made a smurf just to have some fun and played in bronze lobbies. All I can say is my god...comps arent even the baseline issue. Positioning, awarenesss, and basic technical skills like aim were all huge issues As of the moment, im chilling in gold lobbies and I gotta say that once again comps isnt an issue rather basic strategic plays. And whats worse is the toxicity from these players that again, are at best high silver to low gold. Now im not saying im an expert in any sense. But when I hear the complaints people in gold lobbies dish out, it makes me realize why these people are stuck in the ranks they are
I'm plat as well and made an alt to learn heros I'm bad with. It's wild how toxic low ranks can get, and have no idea how much they're actively hurting their team and are just flaming each other lol.
I respectfully disagree with the idea that Reaper/Sigma is a bad pairing. When I am Sig, I _crave_ a Reaper on the team specifically because _he solves all the problems I can't handle_ Enemy Rein? Not a concern. Venture keeps popping up? Venture keeps dying. Because Reaper and Sig solve completely different problems, they give the team greater flexibility while still allowing other heroes to support the poking Sigma. Most good Reapers don't really need help to do what they do and then get out, so the team theme is still poke, but now we have a counter for those who do penetrate to brawl distance.
I hate choosing my character first everybody sits at the screen and then when it's time to leave and they finaly pick their character like they say "can you swap". The team will never switch for how the supps want to play.
For real? I've seen so many games where the tanks and all dps be swapping but the supports never swap. They stay on the same Mercy, Lucio, Moria the whole game.
@@tyrenace6597 I'm down in plat trying to hit diamond. I always pick lucy or zen to start becuse they are my picks. But down here they dont like (or dont know how to) playing with them because low heals. then they say go Ana/Kiri and get mad that I'm not good. I just stay my characters now and do my best but will change if I feel like I should, not because Timmy Tryhard doesn't know what cover is and keeps dying in the open.
@@TheHardstyleFoxcrazy that any Plat would think that. You figure by then they would already realize not only what cover is but that you don't even need that many heals to do good. I've had matches where the enemy team has double our heals [around 7-8k] and we still dominate. Also hard to believe anyone would think Lucio or zen is a bad option when discord and speed boost are such strong abilities
As a widow main, people say ALL the time that I'm throwing cause I have low damage despite being the person that typically starts a team fight with a kill
I’d say mei and bastion is a crazy good combo, wait till turret form is ready, then walk of a pick or 2, I do it with my bastion main buddy and it works hella easy
Just subbed. Thought I was this whole time lol I love your vids. Could you make a video one day focusing on positioning across the roles? Especially dynamic positioning and how to keep it in mind as fights often evolve from choke -> open space -> choke. I just always find myself getting obliterated thinking I was doing the right thing until I realize I was walking through open space desperately looking for cover.
Thank you a lot i just started 1 month ago and I'm better than a lot of players who have been playing longer thanks to your video tips the hero synergy really helps a lot Great content as well Also do you think venture fits into every comp cause i use her a lot and I'm really good at her
This is what I’m talking about, idk how overwatch was ever successful when it was built around a comp mindset, a game made like that is always going to fail
It doesn't matter what rank you in or how good of a player you are. If there's no communication, which is the strongest weapon in the game. In the game just as good as lost every time.
And who do you think killed communication....exactly ow players themselves. Beyond that tho, you don't need comms to win matches. 8/10 matches I've had literally no one in vc and guess what...we didn't need to scream into the tanks ear that we need them to peel back. They instinctively knew to. Why? Cuz they simply have good instincts and spatial awareness. If everyone does their job the way they're suppose to, to the best of their ability, then everyone should work out smoothly. Hell, sometimes comms does more harm than good. If you're getting shittalked the entire match, that's only going to lower morale. If you and your teammates butt heads over strats, that's only going to waste time, overcomplicate situations and lead to arguments.
Most of this is pretty good advice and or information about comps and synergy, the statement classifying sigma as strictly poke is misleading, he is generally like but he has good brawl capabilities though he may not take ones well against generally brawl tanks, he can be ran with other brawl heroes. Even into other brawl comps, especially junker queen comps. Though appealing him as a strictly poke tank to learning players or new players might be a good idea so they don’t run sigma into a full brawl comp and blame their team cause they saw a single video saying he is viable in the correct context of brawl
First few minutes of the video, putting brig in brawl and saying sig is exclusively poke when we have seen multiple instances of sigma being utilized in brawl comps just in Overwatch 2, that's just some crazy work.
Lowkey i wanna have someonebdo an experiment if they do bring 6v6 back i wanna see a 222 stack of like example 2 poke tanks 2 dive dps and 2 brawl supports just to see how chaotic that synergy is
Synergies are mostly meaningless if the people playing those heroes aren't very good at those specific heroes. Most players don't pump 10k hours to play the entire roster. Most people have a significant number of hours on one or two heroes per role and are better served trying to play those heroes as best as possible rather than forcing all these synergies.
This is really good information. However I find none of this matters before diamond. If you are plat or lower it simply means you are not good. Improving your skills will be MUCH more useful than learning all this. I am really confident when saying this because I am a diamond Moira one trick and I literally know nothing but “grinding stats” to get to diamond. And even in diamond you will come across some literal DOG SHXT players that are also diamond. They just keep dying, low stats, however hard you tried to help them. Thus I can only imagine plat being even worse…
Can I ask where ana resides? I feel like she is only bad in dive. Honestly i feel like she is good in brawl just because nano makes the rein/junk go burr
Sigma has definitely been brawl before and showing Brig as a brawl healer in the intro makes me question everything you say when she is definitely better in the other 2 comps.
I’m sorry, but I’m clicking off after hearing “Mauga can play in both brawl and poke” Mauga has never once been played in pro play as a poke tank, everything is based off his engagement with cardiac which strongly favors close quarters
