The WORST People at the DIY Show (Hardcore Punk) 

What's "cringe" about lifers? They committed to their lifestyle, instead of being posers when they where young.

Bar tenders worse days are when they have a straight edge show 😂 I saw em crying at gorilla biscuits cause they were gonna make $0 money. 😂

Shout out to Dan for ranking Nazis so low they don't deserve to even be on the list.

I saw a guy jump off stage n run to the booth to fight the sound guy once. He wouldn’t turn something up after multiple requests… Ruined the show. However..there are some really great sound guys out there, and they really do know better. Let em make you sound good. They know the venue/acoustics (hopefully)

The lone hardcore kid that starts two stepping next to you randomly at the end of the song 😂

Bands 😂 I saw a guy throwing chicken blood to everyone but nobody said nothing cause it was the vocalist from a gore band 😂 it was part of his show

female punk/hc/squat bartenders are the best, i married one. patient and witty lady :) [edit] and yes, if you're into "aesthetics", they usually look good.

I personally don’t see anything wrong with lifers. Not because they’re cringe, they just love the scene and relate to it so much. Each of their own opinions I suppose.

i was at a napalm death show and a dude super drunk hopped on stage and a sound guy grabbed him nd just threw him off😂 landed right in the middle of the pit

wait until you become a lifer ahah

What bullshit! This deserves a short, cringeworthy book of me bragging of my punk LEGEND life! The sound guy is _only_ good if he can tell me the cool song that's playing between bands, and if he makes the night sound good. Promoters, if they're like ME, are _LEGENDS!_ I promoted in the 80s & the _only_ reason I'd book a band is because they're fire & everyone wanted to see them. I promoted because of my passion for hardcore. I paid bands out of my pocket if the door didn't supply the contract price. I made bands home-cooked meals & put them in 3-star hotels! I gave everyone gift certificates for Krispy Kreme Doughnuts & filled their gas tanks using mom's credit card! I was LEGEND! Now it's 2023, I'm 55, and I'm a Lifer _LEGEND!_ In the past two years I've seen every hardcore show in DFW! Black Flag, Circle Jerks, Murphy's Law, the ORIGINAL Misfits (no shit, a one-off show with Alice Cooper & FEAR! that _sold out_ a 23K seat Dallas pavilion!), Dead Boys, OFF!, Turnstile, Knocked Loose, Drain, Scowl, DRI, TSOL, Negative Approach, 7 Seconds, Agnostic Front, Sick of it All, Terror, GBH, MDC, and many more! If a show/band is duper-dope I'll see them in Austin, too. When I found out Adrenalin OD were celebrating their book release by getting back together & playing 2 shows in NY & NJ, I DROVE from Texas to see them (they are a favorite)! I'll do it again when they open for some of NOFX's East Coast farewell gigs (which haven't been announced). I talked with Keith Morris for 10 minutes after the Circle Jerks gig & we actually engaged! If you know Keith, that's _not_ easy! I spoke with Greg Ginn for 10 minutes, too & didn't ask either for an autograph or a selfie & not once asked about politics between ex Black Flag members! I flipped off Glen Danzig at the Misfits show & he flipped me off too! At shows I don't put toilet paper in my ears & I stand at the edge of the pit & jump in if it's not _too_ violent. I did a stage dive at Knocked Loose! I'm a fucking LEGEND! _Not_ "cringe!" Look at that list of bands above, you can see why half (or more) of the audience has receding gray hair, pot bellies, and a T-shirt with some 80s band! We carry the torch! We are LEGENDS! We used to make fun of old people in the 80s, now we _are_ old(er) people! Damn! When I look at this crazy little book I just wrote I think "Hey, danframptOn may be right in a way! I am cringe!" Read this BS story again & you'll see! But I love it, and don't care! See ya'll at the Drain/Gel show Sat night! Maybe I'll wear a fanny pack, or knee-high socks with shorts! Come on Lifers! We can all be cringeworthy LEGENDS! There! That's the new category! Cringeworthy Legends! Maybe I'll start a band. Now, THAT would be _cringe!_

Study this breakdown and learn it verbatim….. so that you can teach it to ….. absolutely no one, because nobody alive would honor this information as anything worth knowing or listening to

I scored a Cringe, a Chill, and a Worst. I do still have my bartender's school certificate though I've only tended bar once so we won't count that.

I'm 38 so I guess I'm a 'lifer' and I can see why that would be cringy, but the benefit of age is that I give a shit a lot less now than when I was a kid. Also I can push crowdkillers over without spilling my drink.

Being cool to staff every show goes so far.

Bar tenders definitely need to be up there. They deal with a lot

merch flipper is the worst.

Turns out we all are pretty cringe appearently - but it appearently doesn't prevent us from being chill.

Wait why are lifers cringe though

I suddenly remembered the song 'Breaking and Reaching' by Snapcase. There was a special dance for this sort of music and straight edge chugga-chugga hardcore in general in the 1990s. Ideally you'd be wearing a baseball cap and a tight white singlet. If you had a hooded sweatshirt on, the hood had to be pulled up over the cap. Now comes the most important accessory: the black backpack. You'd clasp the front straps and nod your head and flap and buck like a leaden flag in a hurricane. Hilarious. Really baggy trousers or long shorts with white socks and skate shoes was mandatory. The skinny jeans thing was for hardcore metalheads, swampies, goths and skinheads only-- absolutely no tight black jeans in the hardcore scene in the 1990s. Funny how these sartorial codes and dancing styles were codified silently then sent out wordlessly, like smoke signals sent between teenager bedrooms across the entire country. This song in particular is right on that dangerous precipice seen only with the benefit of hindsight in 2023; take it too far and you've got deeeekhead nu-metal. Sadly, it's the direction it all went in-- 1990s emo-hardcore bore absolutely NO relation to the music and cultural scene known in the early 2000's as 'emo' or 'scene'. Why THAT goofy social-media and high school based scene of things was even called 'emo' I have no idea; it was NOT an organic development whatsoever, as a progressive third wave, but rather an ENTIRELY different scene/mentality. Thus, 1990s emo and all it entailed has disappeared into the mists of time, as if the original 'emo' scene never even existed. The softer 'emo' bands broke up and collectively fell in love with Radiohead. Metallic hardcore took over, all sense of ethics and a DIY-network of countercultural music just died out and this new generation were mainstream in mentality, all wanting to be cool, get chicks and sign to a big (but cool) label. That was the end of that strain of 'emo'. You could ask these coontailed 'emo' kids with backcombed hair, plastic jewellery and smeared eyeliner wearing My Chemical Romance t-shirts in the early/mid 2000's who Kent from Heartattack was, or what Ebullition or Jade Tree was and you'd only hear crickets. People left the hardcore scenes they were somehow subsumed in and then Ebullition style screamo just turned into pop-metal for angry suburban solipsists partial to over-producing their records and really into their hair and becoming rich rockstars. That's NOT a natural progression. It was a separate seed sprouting altogether...with clothing that smells of their mum's fabric softener?! PS= The strange mind virus that took over a great many men in the 1990s for whom being straight edge, tough, Christian AND vegan wasn't enough was 'Krishna Core'. A short lived and amusing trend which targeted the malleable minds within the scene, strangely bypassing females and ravaging male grey matter only. So much of music history has been lost in the mists of time...

the bar tenders at A7, the premier HC venue here in NYC on HC nights were just the opposite of what you said. They were musicians like Doug Holland of Kraut. One big family!

If you’re doing karate kicks in the pit you don’t belong.

usually the diy shows i go to dont have any bartenders...

If you are not a lifer, yer a poser

im a lifer and a 3 year tour. guess 90s kids arent welcome anymore.

Oi skinhead Oi

so you put yourself on to the worst list

you must be going to beatdown shows

I ♥ bartenders

I notice that slammers actually know when to stop compred to pushers. And thats hilarious considering "Pushing" sounds less threatening than "Slamming" 😂

You are bogus for putting "lifers" in the cringe category, just because they saw a couple of hardcore lineups you would only dream about seeing they are cringe?

oh shit we said trick ass mark instead of the other way around.

So why are we listening to you and caring about your opinions? Who are you bro whats your credentials?!

the worst person is my ex straightedge ex girlfriend actually

The band people are ok until they start getting recognized.

Yea the bands are the worst

Slammers > Pushers Stage Divers > Slammers

bruhh this was so funny (and true lmaooo)

The Bands can be anywhere from legends to the worst.

Pushers are 100% the worst

Promoters bring bands to town and put the money up to do it

I'm a lifer. No apologies. It was never "just a phase" or something to grow out of. Call it cringe all you want, I'm happy. It amazes me that a scene so quick to condemn all the "isms"(No racism, sexism, classism etc. - not to mention the "phobias"; homophobia, transphobia, xenophobia etc .) has NO problem with ageism. What IS the "correct age to abandon punk and stop going to shows? BTW, you forgot one or he other "worst"

i'm so cool i was taken off the list

I used to be a lifer 20 yrs ago

You have the best punk rock channel A cringe lifer would know

Slammers are the worst. There was no need for slamming to devolve into tae kwon do. It was perfect in 1980.

You forgot to add RU-vid commentators to this list.

The lifers should be on yhe legends tier. Tey have been there from yhe beggining which makes them kegends....duh

Door guy took a soda bottle out of the trash and took the cap off and sniffed it and made me leave the line for drinking fuck door people 😂

Business Man Dan

I'm promoting shows now, and I hate having to explain to people that I lose money doing it. Like, I'm here for the scene, not the $

i have friends that bartend that try to work shows they'd go to anyway.

this is the most on-point tier list i have ever seen

I love this so much. Maybe include the people you may interact with while standing in line waiting for the door to open? It's part of the experience as a whole.

What is a lifer? I can't find out on the interwebs.

Hahahahaha 3 year tour. Cringe indeed.

What, no trick ass Marks???

I am a little older I remember the hard ore basketball jersey people

Hahaha calling yourself out like that.

Hahahahahhaahha omg where you placed the actual bands

I hate stage divers

I can't stand pushers. I be tryna dance and get fucking shoved across the room

What about bouncers.

I love these lists! I tend to agree with you on most of all the things.

Been goin to punk/hardcore/crust shows since 2003 when I was just 14. I’m 35 now and still go support my local Texas punk scene! If you think it’s cringe for lifers to still be at shows then maybe you’re the problem for thinking people have an expiration date In the scene. If you’re not in it for life then wtf are you doing ya poser?

You forgot fat guys