It takes a whole propaganda machine to make LeBron's GOAT case yet Jordan hasn't played for decades and his GOAT status won't die. That should tell you everything you need to know yet morons still insist despite all of LeBron's failures, he's still somehow the GOAT.
It's like morons voting for the lesser of 2 evils thinking they will bring about good. Voting for evil will only bring more evil (peace will in reality be total control by globalists).
😂 if you ever plead you’re MJ goat case to an LBJ fan. Don’t expect a logical discussion based on stats and accolades. Expect propaganda 😂and a rabbit hole that leads no where
The fact that there was a GOAT debate between Michael and LeBron is a blasphemy against MJ,NBA and basketball.. It seems that LeBron has achieved a solid second place with this GOAT debate. Even this seems incredibly ridiculous to me. (i use google translet.from turkey with love)
-- I would say: arguably the most cheapend player in the NBA. Great player. Great career. But joining #1s: Wade, Bosh, Kyrie, Love, and Anthony Davis cheapened his legacy. With those teams, he should be 6-4 at least.
The more "The Decision" gets discussed, the lower my respect goes, not only for LeBron, but for D-Wade and Chris Bosh as well. So they just watched Kobe win rings with only ONE All Star teammate, and their answer is to join together three of the best players in the league, 3 of the top 5 draft picks from the historically strong 2003 NBA draft that at that time were in their prime - THIS is how they wanted to go about winning rings? All 3 of these guys were franchise players that should have wanted to be "The MAN" who leads his team to a ring, not join together with two other franchise players to win championships. This went WAY BEYOND filling out a team with role players or aging veterans. This was a level of team stacking that any REAL COMPETITOR would have been disgusted with. MJ didn't want to join forces with Bird, Isaiah, or Magic - he wanted to lead his team and BEAT those guys. Same with Dirk, who ended up beating the LeBron/Wade/Bosh superteam. "The Decision" was one of the WEAKEST moves in NBA history that would be a source of embarrassment for any true competitor. Those guys basically said "We're NOT true NBA greats like Kobe who can lead a franchise to rings, so we'll join up." These guys were NOT "The MAN"; competitively speaking, LeBron, D-Wade, and Bosh were each 1/3rd of "The MAN", and they STILL barely managed 2 rings. This is why LeBron will be begging for respect for the rest of his life but will never get it from a significant number of NBA fans.
@@ItsYurVatoAlex This and the Suns throw just to prove a point takes Kobe out of it for me. It really is just MJ and everyone else. The one who did it right and has the skills to claim the GOAT title.
@@Vennnnnnnnnn Fair point. But had the Chris Paul trade been allowed to go through that would have had a 33 year old Kobe teamed up with only ONE "franchise" player in their prime (Chris Paul was 26 at the time), not a "prime" Kobe teamed up with TWO franchise players both in their prime as happened with "The Decision". That David Stern vetoed the Paul trade for "basketball reasons", yet allowed the Eastern Conference competitive balance-destroying "Decision" to happen only a year earlier was inconsistent at best, hypocritical at worst, IMO.
@JS-ch1hkso best case scenario he’s responsible for one of the worst finals appearances by an nba star ever, one that Magic, Bird, Jordan etc never failed as specularly at for most a finals series - not just a game or two- and is responsible, in part for one of the best comebacks of all time with a stacked team against another stacked team that choked. Cool. That’s fair. That still means he’s not the Goat.
@JS-ch1hk Apparently I know the history of the game better than you. And no, the 1991-1993 bulls weren’t stacked. Pippen became a great player in the 90-91 season but was the only other all-star on the team, Grant was a bit better than average as a power forward, Cartwright was ok, Paxton was decent, good spot up shooter, BJ Armstrong became more solid as the 90s rolled on, but it was Jordan, Pippen and pure role players. The same can be said for the 94 and 95 Rockets. They were well rounded teams anchored around Hakeem but it wasn’t a parade of all-stars in their primes. When I say stacked I mean overly so like the mid 80s Celtics, 80s Lakers, Warriors with KD, the 2010s Miami heat with Lebron, Bosh and Wade. The 2008 Celtics could qualify even though Garnett and Allen were no longer in their primes, though still very good. If you need any more lessons let me know.
As a Heat fan, 2011 still traumatizes me. I can only imagine the mental gymnastics 🤸♂️ Bron has to go thru to still act like the 🐐. Worst choke of all time to this day…
@@skap_attack Lebron's bum performance is the reason that series went to 7 games. People(lebron glazers) like to pretend that pacers team was a juggernaut but they really weren't.
MJ and Kobe were genuinely clutch. Kobe, for instance, hit the game-tying shot vs one of the best defenses in NBA history to send the Finals to OT in 2004 (where they won). Kobe hit the Game Winner vs Indiana in OT in his first NBA Finals (on a severely sprained ankle that, according to the Lakers team physician, would've sidelined most players for a month minimum), and led ALL players in 4th quarter scoring in the 2008, 2009, and the 2010 playoffs (and Finals all three years). Kobe was INSANELY CLUTCH (most Game Winners, 36, of any player in NBA history). MJ is the most clutch human being to ever live and the GOAT. LeSteroids is 19 for 141 in Go-Ahead/Game-Winning FG Situations in the 4th Quarter for his entire career; he is 0 for 7 on game winners in the Finals; he is 10-11 in one possession games in the NBA finals; he has the highest 4th quarter Turnover Rate of any player in PLAYOFF history (and regular season history, 1.9 TOVs/4th Q, and several hundred MORE total TOVs than any player in history, an unbreakable record by the time he retires). He also has the most 4th quarter Turnovers of any player in NBA Finals history. Yet his Bronse*uals cult will continue to lie and say he is more clutch than MJ and Kobe because "hE hAs mOrE pLaYoFf bUzZeR bEaTerS tHaN mJ oR kObE oR bIrD oR dr J oR mAgIC" (🤡). In reality this is a VERY misleading stat. Notice they don't say game winners or go-ahead FGs, it's SPECIFICALLY "Buzzer Beaters in the Playoffs." In reality, his "Clutch" stats in the playoffs are pedestrian. Kyrie led the Cavs in "Clutch Scoring" in the 2016 playoffs and this was in the heart of LeSteroids PRIME. AD led the Lakers in Clutch Scoring in the 2020 Bubble. Cmon fellas, let's stop the pathological lying about LeBalco. He is not clutch, never has been, never will be. Look at the Olympics if you want even more proof (2008, 2012, 2024). Not once did he ever lead Team USA in clutch scoring. Not ONCE. He is the EPITOME of UNCLUTCH, the paragon of choking, the paladin of sticking a pacifier in his own mouth in crunch time. He is, in short, the BIGGEST FRAUD in NBA history. (And he's on several PEDs too, keeps super teams stacking, and still can't catch Kobe or MJs ring count despite the incessant flopping for cheap points and uncalled travelling - almost every single play). LeChoke 😂🤣🤣🤣😂 IMO he's not a top 10 player in the NBA all time, and if we really emphasize CLUTCH ability, he's not a top 50 player all time. He's a role player masquerading as a top Alpha.
@@lelouchlamperouge4386 Why are you answering for the person I was asking? Also... OBVIOUSLY it was tongue-in-cheek, dimwit! The point is... BOTH are on video!
@@darkballerz Kobe owns Wade one on one look at the time they match up he lock him down out score him too even after Wade broke Kobe noise he still beat him in there last match up
MJ never looked at Bird Magic Isiah Thomas 🏆and ask Ewing and Charles Barkley lets team up to beat Bird Celtics or Isiah Thomas Piston in the east MJ took down Isiah Thomas who was 30 years old in the conference Finals MJ took down Magic at 32 years old in the Finals in 1991 Bron lost to a 33-year-old Dirk in 2011 Finals Bron lost to an old 38-year-old Tim Duncan in 2014 Finals and Bron fans have the nerve to say Magic and Isaih Thomas got old😆🤣😂
@@yp1c And how is he better ? More points when it does not matter ? More turnovers when it matters ? Better defense when he is not even trying to guard ? Better offense when he chokes in clutch moments ? Oh he scored 40k points
@@rimantasandriukaitis2730 the only time he choked was 2011 bro did you even watch the games and "better defense when he is not trying to guard" what does that even mean
You are not alone my friend. Competitive integrity died here but started when these guys were in the Olympics together colluding to figure out where they should team up at. It's not enough that they get paid millions, they also have to cheat their way to try replicating what past greats did.
@@Heretowatchstuff Especially if they didn't change the rules so much to where it looks like a completely different game. They took out most of the tension from the game so now they don't really play for pride they just play for the money.
It doesn't speak facts, it speaks embarrassing Lebron hating nonsense nonstop. "LBJ has a miniscule to non existent skill set" "LBJ is maybe the 11th to 15th greatest player ever" "LBJ is going to choke and cause Team USA to lose in the Olympics." "LeBron secretly hated Kobe because he knew he could never be as good as he was." Absolutely inexplicable how anybody can describe anything like this as "facts" or meaningful sports commentary.
@@joshweiner4645it doesn’t matter how he says it. It’s still the truth lol, go look at LeQueen’s shooting percentages outside of 3 ft. That’s not being skilled lol, LeQueen is quickly falling outta the top 5 list of many people and some are dropping him outta the top 10. He’s top 10, not top 5 or the GOAT. And they would have lost the Olympics if Curry wasn’t there to save LeQueen in the 2 biggest, most important games of the Olympics. What were his stats in the semi-Final and Olympic final games???? Way below what he was averaging in those meaningless exhibition games 😂🤡. Everything said can be looked up, stop being an emotional LeQueen stan lol
@@Ascending11 well from what I heard only one went to college and more counting, I’ll will also clarify that none of those students passed on their SAT test scores
@@thefunguy5069 Didn't the multi-billionaire philanthropist only pay a portion of that school HE set up while the citizens are paying the rest of it off in taxes? Very charitable indeed.
@@sameenergy9414 No he wasnt Kobe wasn’t at no Diddy parties him taking a picture with him or him being fan of his music is totally different it is widely known Kobe didn’t party or mingle off the court with anyone he didn’t even hang out with his own teammates off the court LeDiddy was at that party’s
@@davis2k1234 bro, Kobe was at Diddy parties. Send me your email, ill send you the pictures. Kobe partied with Diddy also. Kobe loved to party with Diddy bro.
@@thefunguy5069 been closer to lebron than you ever have so whats your logic here? Should i trust your opinion, or someone who played against lebron and many other greats?
@@dolphinitely_bro3944 well ped’s on athletes are really just used for a quick healing process, if he was dosing it before games constantly his heart would explode, not to mention no one else is mentioning ped’s on other nba players except lebron
I did not care for Lebron but I really wanted him to lose that 2011 championship because Wade and Bron were belittling Dirk because he was sick in one of the games. That was the fire that lit the Mavs to destroy LeBum. I love it.
Here's a thought. My mom and I were re-watching those Finals games a while back. Mom took a close look at James and said, "He's on something. His eyes won't focus."
Hey Skap, Le Balco said in the media today, that it is “…unfair to put expectations on us…” already making excuses for the disaster of a season that lay ahead 😂 Keep up the good work too!
The 2011 Finals is a true indictment on LBJ’s resume. The excuses used to justify the 2007 Finals Sweep can’t be used in 2011. -No Help? This was the excuse used in 2007, & one where LBJ fans love highlighting how he carried a woeful Cavs team to the finals, ignoring the fact that they played the 41-41 Wizards who were missing Gil & Caron this series, the 41-41 Nets, & a Pistons team that lost its leading defender, Ben Wallace, to the Bulls. This Heat team had 3 All Stars, all in their prime facing a Mavs team w/ 1 All Star, & are the 2nd oldest team by avg. age to ever win a NBA title. -Home Court? Miami in this series had home court advantage over Dallas w/ a 2-1 lead, & had game 6 at home to tie the series. -Experience? LBJ, Wade, & Bosh were all in their 8th yrs this season. -Underdogs? Nope, Heat were a -180 favorite (heavy favorite) to beat Dallas this series. It’s inexcusable how this series went. LBJ was the 5th leading scorer this series behind Wade, Dirk, Bosh, & Jason Terry, while leading the series in turnovers.
Skap is figting the good fight. I held it down for Kobe back then with the same points and arguements against crazed Lebum fans trying to convert me. Kobe was unbeatable reckless and disgracefully got 1 MVP. Lebum was always classless and a bum to me. Smoke and mirrors. Nothing earned, everything given.
That 2016 ring just compensates for the 2011 pants crapping, considering this and his other finals losses, LeBron realistically needs to win another four rings to be considered the GOAT
Stop it, 2011 was Absolutely Winnable, Before 2016 Season, the Cavs was the Favorites, they underperformed and still made it to the Finals and needed a Miracle to overcome a Self-Inflicted 3-1 Deficit. 2016 Finals was a Phenomenal Performance from Lebron no doubt but that will never take away the Choke Job of this Finals.
Not going to happen as long as: - team keep him as #1 - team let him rub HIS offense - team continues allowing no defensive (and offensive) play - continues 35+ minutes a game
I know it’s not a popular opinion around here, but Kobe’s back-to-back Games 3 and 4 of the 2004 Finals - both losses - were worse. Game 3: 11pts, 4/13 FG, 5 ast, 3 reb, 3 tov Game 4: 20 pts, 8/25 FG, 2 ast, 0 reb, 3 tov In Game 4, he inexplicably outshot Shaq, despite Shaq having 36 pts/ 20 reb/ 76% fg. He was also the primary defender on Rip Hamilton, who scored 31 pts on 22 shots in Game 3 and 17 pts on 11 shots in Game 4. I’m not a Lebron fan, but just being fair.
kobe's performance was bad no doubt but saying it was worse is a crazy reach. Not only was he going up against one of the greatest defensive teams of all time, but also had no one to help with scoring except shaq.
“He had no one to help with scoring except Shaq.” Is that a serious sentence? Shaq in the early 2000s was arguably the most dominant offensive force in NBA history. Re-read what I wrote, this time slowly. Shaq’s game 4 was EPIC, and Kobe inexplicably outshot him. A player with 35/20 in the Finals has happened only 4 times since 1970 - all 4 by Shaq. And we’re supposed to be sympathetic because that was the “only” other scoring option? GTFOH with that.
@@DANGERProductions2020 ok?? None of that explains how it worse than lebron's 2011 finals performance. Also do you expect kobe and shaq to put up 80 points a game? Because the 3rd leading scorer on that team averaged 6ppg😂😂😂
Wade was honestly the best player in the series for the majority of the series. Dirk owned the fourth when it mattered most, but Wade was THE guy for the most of it. Lebron wasn’t even the fourth best player in the series meanwhile 😂
You know something you should put together...show MJ worse playoff performances ever and how they are no where near as bad as LBJ worse playoff series ever....not game....series
How dare you disrespect Dirk and the Mavs. They had a tougher road to the finals including sweeping the Lakers who were trying to hurt Barea by the end of game 4 like the sore losers they were. And then they played better team basketball then the Heat in a final where 5 out of the 6 games were decided by single digit points. You are right, LeBron is the most overrated athlete ever. But put some respect on the Mavs. They won that series. It wasn't handed to them by any means
As a Bull fan. Yeah we swept them in the regular season. But Miami wasn't really trying their best, the Bulls played that season like it's a game 7 every game with heart, defense and hustle and Rose being clutch as hell. Only D Rose could create his own offense. Once you slow him down it was a wrap. The Bulls had no one else on offense who could create for themselves. Rose and Noah had to do it for them. They weren't a true threat to Miami unless Rose had another guy to create offense and it was too late after the injury.
Funny thing is, Cavs weren't exactly "the underdog" in 2016. Not by that much at least. They actually had the highest payroll in the history at that point. They had, beside the supposedly the "GOAT", two perennial allstars, one of which is still considered one the best player in the league, and the other being NBA 2nd team 2 years prior. Due to the high payroll, they had serious depth as well. Just because Lebron's team underperformed in the regular season, and Warriors overperformed, doesn't make them a significant underdog, especially if he claims to be the GOAT. Lebron had great team every single year beside maybe his first year in Lakers since he left Cavs the first time to join Miami. His team underperforming in regular seaons and being labeled as "the underdog" every year shouldn't really help his legacy, but tarnish it tbh. Tbh, I don't think Lebron's 2011 performance alone take him out of GOAT conversation, but whatever he did AFTER 2011 doesn't quite live up to GOAT standard.
This youtube channel only point is to shit on Lebron. Bro is more of a Lebron hater than a basketball fan. How many of his videos have the same subject every time? There are hundreds of player in the Nba, no one tells you to only focus on him. Ps: I’m a Kobe fan i put him over Lebron. I respect Lebron even if i’m not a fan of him. Watching those video would make someone a believer that Lebron is a bum which is crazy.
I think its more of a channel to get on Lebron because of his fans. Like I really don't have an issue with Bron the same way I don't have an issue with Taylor Swift. Its their fans that are so damn annoying. And in the case for Lebron, its the media that makes it worse. I really believe if the media wasn't slobbering Lebron every 3 seconds then channels like this wouldn't exist.
Too much emphasis is only put on 2011. His goat case was over in 2010. -2007 Finals vs SA, shoots 35% for the series and gets swept 4-0 -2008 ECSF vs BOS shoots 35% for the series "AGAIN" gets gentlemen swept 4-1 -2010 ECSF vs BOS Disappears last 3 games Game 4 22 PPG, 38% FG, 0-5 3PT Game 5 15 PPG, 21% FG, 0-5 3PT Game 6 27 PPG, 38% FG, 2-4 3PT Which is a total of shooting 26% FG, and 0-14 3PT. And in the win or go home Gm 6, coughs up 9 turnovers. loses series 4-2. And then has the worst meltdown by a franchise player in finals history in 2011 to cap it off. If his teams were losing in the playoffs and finals, but he was putting up incredible numbers and performances, we couldn't hold it against him. But it's because he played so terribly that they lost when they did. Never happened to Jordan.
To add because you came with some heat. He shot more 3s then anyone else on his team despite missing that many times. He was not the best 3pt shooter on those teams, yet he kept chucking them away. He also kept shooting jump shots. You can even look at the series he played Dwight Howard's magic teams. Everyone loves that he avg 38pts ppg. But then look at how many shots he took and then look at how many he missed, especially from three and the FT. Lebron shot the ball nearly double the amount of times then anyone else on the court. Like I would hope he avg 35+ ppg with that many attempts. This is how I know people didn't watch those games. He also played zero defense that series as well. Lebron could have matched up with Hedo or Lewis, but instead he settled guarding Courtney Lee who was the least offensive threat on the team. You could blame the coach, but if anyone dives deep into those Cavs teams, coach Mike Brown deferred to Lebron. Its why the Cavs fired him hoping to keep Lebron there before he went to Miami.
@@MikeBNumba6 Couldn't have said it better myself. He's taken so many ill-advised 3PT shots in his career, especially in big moments. The best example was his massive collapse in the final minute of game 6 of the 2013 finals vs the Spurs. The Heat were down 3-2 facing elimination. And with 1 minute left The worst was in The final 60 seconds of the game LeBron is the only person to touch the ball and what did he do? -takes the ball up court, turns it over, Spurs convert with FTs. -next possession, LeBron takes it up court, another turnover, Spurs convert with more FTs -next possession, takes it up court, then puts up arguably the most ill advised 3 attempt in finals history, AIRBALL. The Heat got the ball back after the air ball from LeBron, and kicked it back out to him for a a second wide open look, and he hit it this time. San Antonio turns to ball over on the next possession, and now The game clock is turned off and it's LeBron's last chance to either tie the game with a 3 or San Antonio wins the title. He puts up a wide open 3 with the championship on the line, BRICK. And we know what happened next, Bosch grabbed an incredible board, kicked it out to Allen on the baseline and he hit the greatest 3pt shot in final history. Leading them to overtime, where the heat closed them out, and then took game 7. So what did we learn. In the final 60 seconds, LeBron had B2B turnovers followed by an air ball triple, followed by bricking the tie or go home final shot. I can't be mad at him for not hitting the final 3. That's not what the problem was... It was him, in the final 60 seconds, an elimination game in the finals somehow giving up back to back turnovers, And then putting up an airball triple consecutively?? So to me, and I've researched this, that was officially the worst meltdown in the final minute of a win or go home finals game by a franchise player. I just can't say it enough.. B2B turnovers followed by an air ball 3 in the final minute of an elimination finals game!! I know this was a long post so I apologize. But the problem we're having is because the heat ended up winning, no one really remembers that final minute of pure chokeage. If Ray Allen hadn't hit that miracle shot, everyone would have been (and still would be) talking about that final minute where LeBron gave up two straight turnovers followed by an airball 3. I just like to mention it as often as possible lol. Jordan didn't win every playoff series. But you're never going to find a series out of his 51 playoff appearances where he had a terrible series. Or choked to the point that his team lost because of it. In fact, Jordan's worst playoff game was game two of the 1989 ECSF vs the Knicks. He only dropped 15 points and they lost. However, for the series he averaged about 37/8.5/9.5 2.5 SPG shooting 55% for the series. Having four games scoring above 39 and dispatching the Knicks 4-2. So yeah Jordan has and can have a bad game, even in the playoffs. But he's never ever had a bad series. In fact, his worst statistical series was the 1997 ECSF vs ATL 27PPG/ 10.2RPG/ 5.2APG/ 2.0SPG/ 1.4BPG shooting 44% for the series. Anyone else has a series like that in the playoffs and they're a hero, and that was MJ's worst statistical performance of his 51 playoff appearances. Again really sorry about making this so long, but I'm hoping others read our posts as well.
@@Daveyboy_RS3 don't apologize for the long post. I read it all. The thing is I don't even like bringing to Jordan having a bad series or not. Because I can say the same for many stars. They had bad games, but not bad series MULTIPLE times. The heat beating the Spurs? Yup everything you said is true. I'll add that you left out Manu choking like MF with the dumb turnovers and Leonard missing free throws. Those things negated LeBron's bad plays which is how LeBron got away with everything you mentioned before getting to the ray Allen play. Point in all of this is, if I really want to, I can go down the list and show how many times LeBron was the issue of his teams losing in the playoffs and not his teammates. Those of us who watched the games see it. But we are called haters for pointing it out
@@MikeBNumba6 Yes we are called haters for just pointing out the reasons he can't be considered the greatest. And they're not minor things. They're major playoff collapses. And yeah I didn't mention Kauai missing that free throw that would have sealed it, and manu's turn over. But I remember them. And I live in Miami. But we do not hold any love for LeBron James. I'd have no problem with the guy if he was just a basketball player, just like Jordan was. And just like magic and bird and Kareem were. But LeBron, has used his status and influence to place himself in the most advantageous positions to win, and still collapsed so many times. You don't end up having the most Hall of Fame teammates ever, by coincidence. And he still somehow has the most finals game losses in NBA history, and second most series losses as well. Anyway good chat bro... LeBron is a fantastic basketball player, his longevity is truly unheard of. Regardless of his "regimen" so to speak. But for him to call himself the greatest of all time, with everything we just discussed... That's why he gets all the hate. Good talk brother
@@Daveyboy_RS3 *"But LeBron, has used his status and influence to place himself in the most advantageous positions to win, and still collapsed so many times."* This!!! Zero excuses for losing to the Mavs and Spurs with the Heat. Heat were good enough to get to the finals, but now all of a sudden he doesn't have a team. like get out of here
This is up there with Kobe's pout game when he quit on his team in game 7 against the Suns after blowing a THREE-ONE LEAD then demanded to be traded! 😂😂😂
You mean when Kobe’s second option was career zero time all star Lamar Odom and they were playing as the 7 seed 😂😂😂. Nah. Lebron had top 5 all time 2 guard D Wade as the best player in this series and GAGGED 💀
@@iratepizza647 U mean how he had Odom who was averaging 19-11 that series? In the 2014 Finals an injured Wade who got surgery in the off season just averaged 14ppg but you don't want to talk about that huh? 😆 🤣 😂
Even if Miami managed to win this series, LeBron definitely shouldn't have been the FMVP. Though I'm sure they would've found a way to rob DWade of it, just like they robbed it from Curry.
