While the 2000s is generally presented as one of the biggest toss ups of all of the eras in NBA history, here's why Kobe destroyed his decade unlike any other player ever besides Jordan in the 90s.
It was TECHNICALLY 11 years. BUT, I totally agree. He led the league in those 11 years in scoring and average, was the best defender at his position during that time. No one more complete ever other than Jordan.
@@skap_attack Why don't we just factor in the '99 year to give Duncan an extra title and FMVP? 😂 Yes, I agree The Black Mamba was the best of the decade. However, you can make a case for Duncan as well. Kobe was IMO slightly better than Duncan.
The 2000s West was INSANE. LeBron wouldn't even qualify for playoffs if he was in that conference back then. No play in tourney to save him back then. Luckily for him he was in the Leastern Conference...
It's weird. I remember there was a time where I thought it was common knowledge to think that Kobe was up to the second best player of all time next to Jordan, then it seemed like overnight, LeBron entered the conversation and the media stopped talking about Kobe all together. Maybe I'm remembering that incorrectly, but I do remember for sure being confused when people started to speak as if LeBron had surpassed Kobe way before you could even make that argument.
You're SO right. For at least a 5 year stretch there Kobe was top 2 or 3. Then LeBron came around and Kobe dropped to "more like 12 or 13". LOL absolutely CRAZY.
@@melvinhhcp3615LeBron was better than Kobe by 2012 and I don't like LeBron. Despite playing for the Lakers Kobe's still the most overrated player ever with LeBron right behind him
@@melvynsngltn27 How? Lbj choked in Dallas in 2011 as the 3rd option, and was playing on a superteam full of veterans. Kobe was not. Lbj wasn't better than Kobe until Kobe tore his achilles.
Kobe has never stopped until he ruptured his Achilles in 2013. He had faced the highest level of competition for a LONG time and more games. 00-10 Western Conference was the best time for basketball ever in my opinion. Even compared to '90s.
Dam right, the West was brutal. Spurs dynasty rolling, Nowitzki Mavs always contending, Suns running a revolutionary offense. You know a conference was tough when Tim Duncan couldn’t repeat as champion, even with the great talent around him
West was brutal from 2010-15/16 as well. The 8 th seed was at least a game or two above 500. And in that playoff race were two finals contenders spurs and okc. While the shit eastern conference conference had sub 500 teams as the 8 th seed. Even the trash Bobcats made the playoffs once
Mannnnn facts Kobe path was so tough from 2006-2011 the west was stacked, you had Phoenix, Dallas,San Antonio, Utah, and Denver All those teams had at least 50 wins.
I remember how brutally competitive the 2000's were. The media has a way of making you forget that. Being a Kobe fan, I appreciate you highlighting his greatness when the media constantly points out to the viewers of all the players they think are better.
-- I never liked Kobe, but he is probably the 2nd best SG behind MJ. I don't have Kobe in my Top 10, maybe around 15th. But as killer: he's Top 5 along MJ, JWest, Kobe, Bird, etc. So why do I have Kobe not in my Top 10? It's shocking that he and Shaq only have 1 MVP -- and Nash has 2. One thing I respect about Kobe? He and MJ didn't flop like LeBum.
When the game is on the line, and everything is at stake, LeFrozen seems to fade into the background. Kobe, on the other hand, had an insatiable hunger for victory. He wanted the ball in his hands, and he wanted to take the last shot. He relished the pressure and thrived in those high-pressure moments. LeBronze, well, he seems content with passing the ball or deferring to others when the going gets tough. He melts under the spotlight while Kobe thrived, hitting iconic contested shots and carrying his team to victory.
Couldn't agree more! And ANYONE who has ACTUALLY watched and remembers the entirety of BOTH players careers, quite frankly can't see it any other way. I refuse to believe anyone who watched both of those players entire careers can in reality see it any other way.
those are the facts, no doubt...MJ, Wilt, Kobe, and Bird had that mindset...give these guys the ball and tell everyone else to get the heck out of the way...unfortunately, LeBron at 6'9" & 260 lbs. wasn't wired that same way...if he had been, his career might've turned out even better than it had/has...maybe...
I'm a Spurs fan. Tim is my guy, however playing 2nd fiddle to Kobe is nothing to be ashamed of. If not for the Spurs Kobe would've won more rings without a doubt.
Never. Kobe was carried by Shaq for three championships. Blasphemy to even compare the two, Kobe actually got benched in a finals game 🤣 that would never happen to Duncan.
Yeah, I think Kobe and Shaq would've won the 1999 NBA title bringing Kobe's total to six but I feel like the Mavericks would've won the 2003 championship with Dirk Nowitzki bringing his total to 2 championships, the Suns would've won the 2005 championship with Steve Nash, the Cavaliers would've won the 2007 championship with a young Lebron, and the Heat would win the 2014 championship. Had this happened, I dread to think of all of the debates about Lebron Vs. Jordan because Lebron would have 6 titles, 6 Finals MVPs and 4 regular season mvps. It would be weird considering Kobe would also have 6 titles, 2 Finals mvps and 1 regular season mvp to his name as well bringing his name into a three person debate with Jordan, Lebron and Kobe.
Or if Stern didn't nix the cp3 deal... or if Jim Buss hired Phil instead of D'Antoni at the last minute. Kobe probably wouldn't have tore his achilles.
ABSOLUTELY. His team was ABSOLUTE TRASH in those two years. Smush Parker, Chris Mhim, Brian Cook and Lamar Odom was the starting five. The first two guys off the bench was Kwame Brown and Luke Walton. Legit one of the most putrid NBA teams in at least the last 3 decades. Exponentially worse than ANY of Lebron's early cavs teams.
@@skap_attackI truly don’t think people can truly grasp how awful Kwame was. Bless his heart, but I remember a stretch of games when he couldn’t catch a pass/or kept turning the ball over when trying post moves. It got so bad Laker crowd would boo him. 2005-2007 Kobe just needed a D Fish and a non-scrub big man . Which is what happened to begin 2007-2008 season. Bynum took a majority of Kwame’s minutes and we became one of the best teams in the league, before Pau arrived.
Kobe Bryant and Tim Duncan owned the 2000s decade. Both won their championships the right way, they both have incredible battles against each other, especially in the playoffs, both of them were dominant in that physical tough and more competitive Western Conference when the West were so damn deep in the 2000s and they went through many many Hall of Famers and All-stars to get to their championship wins
I have Kobe #2 behind MJ and right ahead of Bird. People who didn't watch Kobe in the 2000s just do not understand how great this man was. The revisionist history on Kobe is criminal. I didn't see MJ, but I saw Kobe. This is what I call special.
Kobe was and is my favorite player. Considering all he went through and to still persevere is still amazing. To being doubted, to being respected. To failing multiple times to succeeding multiple times. #MyGoat
Those 2004-2007 years (give or take a year) really were tough -- they were in a rebuild phase, the Colorado allegations, all that with the pressure of being an LA Laker and carrying the franchise's expectations on his shoulders.
While I can recognize Jordan as the GOAT, and can understand how his "resume" is better than Kobe, the best player I have personally ever seen with my own eyes is Kobe Bryant. And he is also easily my favorite athlete of all time, if not one of my favorite people ever.
@skap_attack been following you Skap since I found you. Keep up the good work👏🏼👏🏼 a suggestion. Can you go over the 2007 finals and bring to light the Cavs we're not as trash as everyone seems to say. They were a top 5 rated defense and a top 10 rebounding team that made the finals. Which usually means they were actually good
LeBron James won 1 scoring title, Kobe Bryant won 2 scoring titles, and Michael Jordan won 10 scoring titles. No MJ carbon-copies. Kobe Bryant was Kobe Bryant, with some of Michael Jordan’s moves, which both Michael Jordan and Kobe Bryant confirmed. Highest scoring games of their respective careers: LeBron James -61 points /5 assists/ 7 rebounds , Kobe Bryant - 81 POINTS/ 2 assists/ 6 rebounds, and Michael Jordan - 69 POINTS/ 6 Assists/ 18 REBOUNDS, yes EIGHTEEN REBOUNDS for Michael Jordan’s highest scoring game of his career. So LeBron James was good. Kobe. Bryant was extra special. And Michael Jordan was OTHERWORLDLY!
@@somerandomchad4699and yet NBA players put Kobe second some put him first, but most definitely not listening to you, I'd rather listen to NBA greats, instead of robots like you
@@hashmoncrief6965it's the fact that you still think nba players know more about basketball than everyone else, there's a difference between playing and analyzing the sport
@@skap_attack hardly, curry's decade hands down. yes, same number of rings as lbj, but he should have had 4 not 3, had the league not fixed the 16 finals for lbj, furthermore even with durrant, i'd argue the cavs were a better team top to bottom then the warriors. but lbj just kept coming up small. furthermore, what has durrant done without curry? meanwhile curry has won 2 rings without durrant, with essentially the same team.
I got into the nba because of Allen Iverson. Then as a kid growing up in Miami, Dwade became my favorite player. I always saw Kobe as a rival so I never rooted for him. I was far from a Kobe fan. However I would never be foolish enough to say Kobe wasn’t the top dog of the 2000s
Also for most of the decade, Kobe was kept on a leash by Phil as far as him going off on scoring tears. He could have way more statistical achievements if it wasn't for that. But Kobe really wasn't a stat padder like that, he only cared about winning. And besides going through that gauntlet in the Western conference in the slowest pace in NBA history he also did it with multiple injuries as well as winning a chip with a broken finger on his shooting hand and other injuries. I remember LeBron sprained his finger on his non-shooting hand one time in Cleveland and he missed five games because of that.
Absolutely correct. Not only that, but until 2005 he had to defer to Shaq on offense, so he couldn’t get stats, either. But like you said, it’s always been about winning. At least, until LeBron came along.
@@J23LA24 if you really break down his career, take away the first two years as he was on the bench. And take away the last 3 years which were after the Achilles heel career ending injury. He played only 15 years as a starter and being relatively injury free.
@@chrisb5000 yup! I’ve argued that if you take away the first 3 seasons where he didn’t start, and the last 3 post-Achilles, you get a real picture of Kobe’s career. Without those seasons where he couldn’t go 100, we’ll never know. Yet even with all that, and everything we’ve said earlier, it’s still an amazing career.
Because lebron actually understood that playing with a sprained finger can cause permanent damage, but no while injured means you have the MaMba MeTaLITy
I once saw Kobe play. It was in the Playoffs in San Antonio. I had nosebleed seats. The Lakers beat the Spurs. I was so upset, but when I think back, what I remember the most is Kobe making fadeaway 3 pointers. It’s the ONLY thing I remember. Thank you, Mamba.
Duncan was a machine. I have the utmost respect for him as a player, teammate and man. However, if I have to choose between Duncan and Kobe I have to go with Kobe.
Duncan won 1 playoff series against Kobe and lost 4 playoff series to Kobe.... head to head, Kobe better. and 2 was when KObe had shaq, and 2 were with Gasol. However, you cut it, Kobe better than duncan
No doubt, I have NOTHING but respect for TD. He is bunched right in there all time with Bird and Magic around my 5-7 slots. BUT, I HAVE to go Kobe in the battle between these two.
Duncan had no All nba teammates not 1st 2nd or 3rd team during his titles runs. Like you said kobe had shaq, actually more like Shaq had kobe and kobe had pau. Duncan had nobody and won 3.
As a big Spurs fan growing up, Tim Duncan was always my favorite player, and he still is. But as a basketball fan, I always loved Kobe Bryant. He had a special place in my heart ever since I was a little kid sitting in front of the TV and trying to soak up as much NBA basketball as I could before bedtime. Many years have gone by since then. I'm now an adult in my 20s, and Kobe has sadly been gone for almost 4 years now. But even after all this time, my love and admiration for Kobe still hasn't changed. Hands down one of the greatest players to ever live, and I'm so lucky that I got to watch him play. Rest in peace, Kobe Bean.
Thank you so much for sharing this I am older than you. I "grew up" in the 90s. While I can admit Jordan is the GOAT and can recognize his resume above Kobe, the best player MY OWN eyes have ever personally seen is Kobe Bryant. It was the honor of my sports watching lifetime to be able to see his entire career, AND to be in Staples Center for his career finale against Utah. I still can't believe he's gone. BUT, he will NEVER be forgotten. 🙏❤
Skap, you killed this one. I told you this before, but you legit converted me to a Kobe guy. I can't believe how inexcusably I slept on his greatness. I knew he was better than everyone during his time but you've moved him up around the top for me all time next to MJ and another slept-on all-time great - Hakeem.
My top five in this order. Jordan, Kobe, Wilt, Magic Bird. Now if you let me take those five guys in their primes they would destroy any starting five all stars from the modern era. With Wilt on the court you don't need forwards any bigger than Magic and Larry, who both had way better basketball IQ than LeFraud. The skill level from those 5 guys would be impossible to beat. Larry from outside? Magic handling the ball with Jordan Kobe and Wilt all bringing their mid range and inside skills? Insane.
yes im taking bird over james. people say james over bird and i say you dont know basketball. because james cant shoot the 3 and bird can. and if u need a 3 im taking bird over jordan kobe and magic to take the 3. btw i agree with your top 5.
Who would be the 6th man? And it would be nba rules in the 80's. Your squad would give today's players a reason to be laid out on the floor and maximize their load mgmt. 😁
Mike and Kobe are my favorite players, and I love the respect they had for one another. Like brothers. RIP Kobe your legacy will live on forever, we will never forget ❤
Duncan is right around 6th or 7th on my all time list. Though, I can see the case for him to be higher. Generally I put him after Bird and Magic, but he is right in hat grouping IMO.
@@skap_attackyou’re a bum. “Kobe made 9 all defense teams that decade” well did you knoe that for his career Tim Duncan made FIFTEEN all defense teams, and was a FAR FAR better defender than Kobe. Also, in 2003 when David “Dry Bones” Robinson was putting up 7PPG, and Tony Parker was a sophomore and Manu was a rookie. Also, you love to talk about LeBron in the 2011 finals, but as a Kobe glazer, you never bring up the 2004 finals, when Kobe played like trash. Also neglecting Tim Duncan’s defense, having less help for the earlier part of the decade, and Kobe and Shaq going out in the second round to Tim Duncan in 2003, when Dry Bones Robinson averaged 7PPG, Tony Parker was a sophomore, and Manu Ginobili was a rookie. Also, the Lakers should’ve never won in 2002. For all of your talk about the NBA rigging things for LeBron, you leave out the 2002 WCF. Oh, and you forgot one thing: Kobe made 9x all defense teams huh? Well for one he didn’t deserve all of them, but two and more importantly, Tim Duncan was a FAR FAR better defender. Kobe had a gambling issue, which Tim Duncan did not have, and Tim Duncan was locking up big men. But wait, Tim Duncan made an all defense team for EVERY YEAR OF THE 2000s. All ten. He should’ve won DPOY in 2003. And before you bring up Gregg Poppavich as Tim Duncan’s coach, Kobe had Phil Jackson. And there’s more: Phil called Kobe uncoachable, something that was never an issue with Tim Duncan. Also, that’s not all: Kobe has 4 chips for the decade (2010 doesn’t count), Tim Duncan has three, however no rigging was involved for Tim Duncan. Duncan could play in any system, Kobe couldn’t. Duncan was more clutch and didn’t jack up shots, arguably the most unselfish player in NBA history. Also, the one thing Kobe was better at was scoring, and yet he only won two scoring titles. Tim Duncan is better on the head to head matchups. Tim Duncan was a far better off-ball player on BOTH ends of the floor, and was far better in the post season. I’m not a Kobe hater, he’s 8th all time, but I got Duncan at 6. And just to trigger you even more, LeBron’s at two. And before you bring up steroids for LeBron, Kobe was for sure taking them as well. Unreal athleticism and also a receding hairline very early on. His muscle mass was crazy for a dude his size, and was still playing at an elite level until he tore his Achilles. Meanwhile, Tim Duncan had a very natural decline. And you trying to discredit Pau Gasol as if he wasn’t a great passing big man. Sorry but Kobe’s 2009 run was not near Tim Duncan in 2003. You bring up scoring for Kobe being better but Tim Duncan is better at everything else. Tim Duncan was losing to Kobe in 2000-2002 because Kobe had Shaq. Tim Duncan was much better against the 2005 Pistons than Kobe in 2004. Also, Tim Duncan won more MVPs than Kobe. Now let’s look at how many years each player was the best player in the 2000s Shaq: 3 (2000, 2001, 2002) Tim Duncan: 3 (2003, 2004, 2005) Kobe: 2 (2006, 2008) LeBron: 2 (2007, 2009) (Tim Duncan called LeBron the best in the world during the 2007 finals, and don’t try to bring up the media or the NBA pushing narratives. Because Kobe was always being called the next “MJ”, and LeBron got a cheeks Cavs team to the NBA finals in 2007) Kobe was an all-time great, 100% top 10 of all time, no doubt about it. But he’s not better than Tim Duncan, and the 2000s was Tim Duncan’s decade. Don’t ever disrespect Tim Duncan again. I really hope that Legend of Winning, Johnny Arnett, or Rusty Buckets finds your sorry channel, because they will tear you to shreds, just like what LOW did with Dreamerspro, and just like what Marz did to Ticket.
I was waiting for this decade! I respect all of the other decades as well. Skap, you did a phenomenal job well organized. Enjoyed how you portrayed this decade and giving all of the great basketball players their due respect, and finally but not least THE LAST ALPHA! Kobe was a beast RIP.
Even with Lakers head office giving up on the team and league colluding to deny that cp3 trade, Kobe still managed to win with what he had. I am glad that Shaq was gone so Kobe could solidify his legacy. I hated hearing people saying how Shaq carried Kobe. Still makes you wonder, how many more Shaq and Kobe would have won if they had managed to stick together.
If it’s the deepest decade ever why do a lot of you shit on bron for playing in the 2000s as a non-difficult era. I’m still a little new to basketball so I haven’t seen much of early bron
I love how fools out here are STILL talking about "Shaq carried Kobe", when Shaq himself said Kobe is in the GOAT case. Shaq HIMSELF has said it's Mike and then Kobe. The lies out here today are wild.
Awesome! Loved how you gave Duncan, Nowitzki, Garnett and Shaq their props. I never liked Kobe (while my Jordan Bulls were still competitive!) but I do recognize that he was an outstanding player. Great video! Expecting the next 😬
I've honestly had enough of this shit smh. Bad enough people out here plugging LeBron over Kobe, and saying its "not close". BUT now we got Tim Duncan...and hell even Steph Curry going over Kobe. Soon we're going to have Kobe down around 20th all time. The fuxk outta here. I watched every playoff game this cat ever played in. Kobe is WAY closer to one all time than he is ten.
Kobe said it best "they forget about the good one's but the great one's they will forever hate". The greatest player of my generation and no POS puppet in fake media gonna tell me otherwise. My favorite player, my favorite Laker, a REAL Laker. Mamba4ever, RIP Kobe 💜💛
@@zoidzilla348 Kyrie ain’t have that extra level Kobe could go to. Kobe had that gear where if nothing was going for the team he could will them to victory
Heck yeah! Kobe absolutely dominated the 2000s on both sides of the court and was laser focused. There is no debate that Kobe tore the 2000s apart both inidividually, and helped his team to win and to win Championships. Kobe also had a lot less help than MJ, but it didn't matter because he was so individually dominant and insanely driven. His 81 point game still blows my mind and is insane to watch. That's hard to do in a video game, let alone real life, and he is second to only Wilt, but Kobe actually accomplished more than Wilt when it comes to winning 5 championships. I also thought Lebron was a bust and that Dwayne Wade is better because Lebron couldn't win championships without him, but the media constantly shit on Kobe and shoved Lebron down our throats. Lebron was apparently the next MJ, but he just couldn't win, but Kobe was winning and admired MJ and even befriended him, but Lebron was somehow better? It made absolutely no sense. That's when I stopped caring about the NBA. Lebron was supposed to be the next best thing and he went ringless for nearly a decade, and it just kept getting worse. Amazing videos as always, Skap, and thank you for speaking the truth!
@@somerandomchad4699 Imagine knowing about Wilt, Kareem, Bill Russel, MJ, and Kobe and thinking that Lebron is the GOAT. 🤦♂️ Lakers may not even qualify for the post this year, or if they do, Lebron will just choke again and complain that he has "no help". Dwyane Wade has 3 championships and Lebron has 4. Wade also actually went to college (but unfortunately didn't graduate) and played pretty damn well for Marquette too, though he couldn't take them all the way. Meanwhile, while Lebron was individually doing pretty well, he went ringless for 9 years, until he had to break the league and try to forge a superteam in order to finally win, and then fell far short of winning his own projected "Not 4, not 5, not 6..." 🤦♂️. Don't get me wrong, Lebron has individual achievements, but he is nowhere near being to GOAT of anything, unless you count turnovers, missed shots, and choking in the finals. Sorry, but Kareem earned every single one of his points, playing against other tough centers and tight man to man and often full court press defense, whereas Lebron scores countless completely uncontested shots against loose zone defenses, gets made up fake foul calls because he flops and the reffing is a joke, and he blatant stat pads. So that scoring record is hallow and not nearly as meaningful as Kareem's record, or Wilt's records, or Bill Russel's, or MJ's, or Kobe's, or Hakeem Olajuwon's, or John Stockton's, or Robert Parish's... If you honestly think Lebron is somehow the GOAT, then you gotta look up more about basketball history.
You thought lebron was was a bust? 💀 What even is a bust to you people? not being a literal god? Lebron literally carried the worst finals teams probably ever to the finals in his 4th year and has 10 finals appearances with 4 champions and 4fmvps so he was the best player on all of his championship teams, I don't care what you say but in the era of the golden state avengers that's winning
@@evifnoskcajKareem "earned" all of his points and somehow lebron didn't? 💀 Do you know how stupid that sounds. Just look up videos of lebron absorbing contact and playing through clear fouls without complaining, he only flops when it gives him a clear competitive advantage... Like almost every modern star player.
I think Steve nash deserves a mention too, how he led the greatest offence of that decade and being able to turn a 29 win team to make it to the conference finals. He shaped the future of basketball.
Like, am I crazy here? How many other players led the league in points scored and average for 14 years, was the best player at his position on defense, went to 7 finals and won 5? How many?? Only two cats I know from years of study of the sport that come to mind: Mike and Kobe. The slander is literally outrageous.
2000s was the most competitive era...my personal favorite! It was magical! This was the only era where every position was competitive and stacked. There's so many great teams, great players, iconic/controversial moments that happened during this era: MJ returning for a bit (showing he still has it), Vince Carter's iconic dunks and iconic dunkers in general like Jason Richardson, 2002 Kings getting robbed or rigged rather of a chip, Kobe/Shaq dynasty lakers, Shaq's dominance The Jail Blazers, Malice in the Palice The underdog 2.0 bad boy Pistons putting an end to the Lakers dynasty and becoming the big dogs, Iverson's elite skills, Tim Duncan and the Spurs going neck-to-neck with the dynasty Lakers, T-Mac, and him single-handedly taking shitty teams to the playoffs, Freakish centers like Yoa Ming and Shawn Bradley, The 2001 Milwaukee Bucks, Dirk and Nash Mavericks duo, Jordan's official retirement, The most iconic draft class is 2003 with Bron, Melo, and Wade leading, Jason kidd's quest for the title, Kobe 81 points Wade winning his first chip his 3rd year and a Finals MVP with Shaq The big 4 Celtics Then last, Kobe closing out that era by going back-to-back without Shaq (taking out prime Dwight Howard, the big 4 Celtics) and almost creating another Laker dynasty. There's more iconic things I'm purposely missing because I'd be here all night typing. Shaq, and Duncan esp were top candidates for this era, but there's one man who this era belonged to over them, and it was Kobe Bryant! What he did during the 2000s was magical and probably will never be duplicated again...even though what Jordan did in the 90s was the most magical. The 2000s belonged to Kobe, but Duncan and Shaq were the runner-ups. 80s - Magic (Larry Bird Runner up: everyone calls it the Magic vs Bird era, but Magic got the better of Bird. I wouldn't say he single-handedly dominated his era to the level that MJ, Kobe, and Bron did, but for the most part I'll still give him this era because all of his chips came in this era). 90s - Jordan (no runner-ups) 2000s - Kobe (Tim Duncan and Shaq runner-ups) 2010s - LeBron James (Steph Curry runner-up)
2000s had very ugly basketball in the early years stop with the revisionist history. Teams would end up having 75-85 points at the end of the game. Every team was playing hero ball and there was very little ball movement. And it was way too defensive. The ratings were struggling back then because of it. The phoenix suns team lead by Steve nash rejuvenated the nba and brought In a more fast paced exciting brand of basketball. The 90s was overall the most entertaining basketball played ever when you combine offence and Defense and that’s why the ratings were so high back then.
Man Kobe's peak was wasted for THREE STRAIGHT seasons: 05, 06 and 07. But he went into video game mode those seasons. As soon as he got one all star caliber teammate, he went to three straight finals and winning two titles in a row. Kobe is different!! Top 2 ever!
Tim Duncan is kind of the Bill Russell to Kobe Bryant being Wilt Chamberlain. If that makes any sense. Tim and Bill are more facilitator team players while Kobe & Wilt are just super elite.
@@melvinhhcp3615 True. But Bill and Wilt went head to head while Tim and Kobe went head to head. I was trying to make the parallels as much as possible.
Imagine playing with the most dominant force the NBA has ever seen, but yet, you’re so cold at 22 people are like that guys like MJ. For Kobe to get Jordan comparisons while sharing the court w a larger than life figure is unreal!
Saying 'It wasn't close' is such a reach. There is a solid debate for Duncan. The man who won more games, MVPs, and Finals MVPs with an all-time great Finals run and a game where he almost had a quadruple-double on the biggest stage. I love Kobe but c'mon now lol
Remember back in 2010 Kobe Bryant was named player of the decade. 2000-2010. You don’t see anyone bringing that back up. THE MEDIA be trying REWRITE HISTORY….
Shaquille O'Neal 3 finals mvps and best player on Lakers 3peat and Kobe Bryant a sidekick like Pippen 6 rings 2000 NBA finals Lakers 4 Pacers 2 Kobe 15.6 ppg, 36.7% fg and 20.0% 3pt Carried by Shaq 38.0 ppg, 61.1% fg and 16 rebs Duncan 3 finals mvps, 2 league mvps better player then Kobe 2 finals mvps, 1 league mvp Finals Mvps (individual player) Jordan 6 LeBron 4 Shaq 3 Kobe 2 Best players on teams championships Jordan 6 LeBron 4 Kobe 2 🐐Jordan > LeBron > Shaq > Kobe LeBron James PPG, FG%, 3pt%, TS%, REB, AST, STL, BLK higher then Kobe Bryant. So it's pretty clear LeBron the better player 🤭 LeBron 39,531 pts on 50.5% fg more points then Kobe 33,643 pts on 44.7% fg LeBron 1st all time points Kobe 1st all time missed shots Bleacher report top 50 greatest NBA players all time 1. Michael Jordan 2. LeBron James 3. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar 6. Shaquille O'Neal 7. Tim Duncan 14. Kobe Bryant Kobe Bryant 44.7% fg only 32.9% 3pt most missed shots in the NBA history not even top 10 player all time that's why Bleacher report has him #14 Kobe Bryant 15 losses seasons he didn't win ring including getting swept 3 times by Jazz 4-0 in 1998 playoffs and by Spurs 4-0 in 1999 playoffs and by Mavericks 4-0 in 2011 playoffs last I checked he doesn't have 20 championships LeBron 4 finals mvps been passed Kobe 2 finals mvps up lol You can't have only 2 finals mvps only 1 league mvp and 44.7% fg only 32.9% 3pt Kobe Bryant and be in goat convo when you don't have the individual stats or accolades
@@koolkai4299 Shaquille O'Neal 3 finals mvps and best player on Lakers 3peat and Kobe Bryant a sidekick like Pippen 6 rings 2000 NBA finals Lakers 4 Pacers 2 Kobe 15.6 ppg, 36.7% fg and 20.0% 3pt Carried by Shaq 38.0 ppg, 61.1% fg and 16 rebs Duncan 3 finals mvps, 2 league mvps better player then Kobe 2 finals mvps, 1 league mvp Finals Mvps (individual player) Jordan 6 LeBron 4 Shaq 3 Kobe 2 Best players on teams championships Jordan 6 LeBron 4 Kobe 2 🐐Jordan > LeBron > Shaq > Kobe LeBron James PPG, FG%, 3pt%, TS%, REB, AST, STL, BLK higher then Kobe Bryant. So it's pretty clear LeBron the better player 🤭 LeBron 39,531 pts on 50.5% fg more points then Kobe 33,643 pts on 44.7% fg LeBron 1st all time points Kobe 1st all time missed shots Bleacher report top 50 greatest NBA players all time 1. Michael Jordan 2. LeBron James 3. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar 6. Shaquille O'Neal 7. Tim Duncan 14. Kobe Bryant Kobe Bryant 44.7% fg only 32.9% 3pt most missed shots in the NBA history not even top 10 player all time that's why Bleacher report has him #14 Kobe Bryant 15 losses seasons he didn't win ring including getting swept 3 times by Jazz 4-0 in 1998 playoffs and by Spurs 4-0 in 1999 playoffs and by Mavericks 4-0 in 2011 playoffs last I checked he doesn't have 20 championships LeBron 4 finals mvps been passed Kobe 2 finals mvps up lol You can't have only 2 finals mvps only 1 league mvp and 44.7% fg only 32.9% 3pt Kobe Bryant and be in goat convo when you don't have the individual stats or accolades
Still won 4 titles in the decade an scored over 21,000 Points. Counts for something. Don't get it twisted Kobe has a case but Duncan never had a losing season that's what I think separates him from Kobe, but finals MVP? Shaq was going up against nobody's an Kobe in 2002 was in the MVP discussion.
Comparing their stats and accolades in the Decade 2000-2009: Tim Duncan Championships: 3 MVP:2 FMVP:2 All star:10x All NBA Selections:10x All NBA Defensive:10x Playoffs Appearance:10x Pts: 16,110 Point avg: 21.4 REB avg: 11.7 AST avg: 3.2 BLK avg: 2.3 STL avg: 0.8 Kobe Bryant Championships: 4 MVP:1 FMVP:1 All star:10x All NBA Selections:10x All NBA Defensive:9x Playoffs Appearance:9x Pts Total: 21,550 Point avg: 28.0 REB avg: 5.8 AST avg: 5.3 BLK avg: 0.6 STL avg: 1.6 These are the reason why the 2000-2009 decade is shared with Timmy and Kobe. Both have competitive accolades and stats. Timmy has more MVPs, FMVPs, All Defensives, Playoffs Appearances, Rebounds, Blocks Kobe has more Championships, Points, Assists, Steals I know you admire kobe the most, but lets be real here.
@@glass7407 what did happen when Duncan Retires? this Popovich system still works? Duncan is the engine and the reason the Spurs are successful from long time not Popovich. When he retired, shits got real for the spurs. No more Anchor, no more go to guy in crunch time.
@@KarloJamisola Don't act like by the time Duncan retired all the greats that were part of the system weren't old past their prime or gone as well.. The System was made of great players that played a key role. You can say Duncan was the best player in that system but he wasn't the system. I believe if you replace Duncan with any other good PF they'd have the same success if not more. ie Malone, Barkley, KG, Dirk..
He was supposed to do that. He outweighed his opposing centers by 50-80lbs each. None of them were HoFers, except Dikembe who had injured fingers & weighed 70lbs less.
Your best video yet!!! I would also add that in the playoffs, Kobe beat Duncan head-to-head 4-1: in 2001, 2002, 2004, and 2008, while Duncan only beat Kobe in 2003. Kobe also went back to back twice in this decade (01-02 and 09-10) while Duncan never did.
Kobe had Shaq. Stop! What happened in 2003? Kobe still has Shaq and Duncan almost single handedly beat them. Prime Shaq and Kobe against Duncan an old David Robinson. A second year 20 Parker and Rookie Manú off the bench. Without Shaq Duncan would have smoked Kobe in every series. Stop y'all nonsense
@@jermainezinnerman7450you’re wrong on both counts, yet type accusing of nonsense. The video is about the decade of the 2000s, and you’re bringing up 1999. Second, in 2008, Kobe didn’t have Shaq, so that argument is already proven wrong. Third, Duncan had David Robinson, Manu Ginobili, Tony Parker, and they always had solid teams. Ain’t no “single-handedly” bullshit.
@@jermainezinnerman7450 just to prove how dumb your “argument” is, you said “what happened in 2003?” I literally said in my comment that Duncan won in 2003. So that’s a really dumb question to ask. Also really stupid how you bring up 1999, yet Kobe was only 19-20 years old in his 3rd season, the same excuse you are trying to give for Tony Parker and Ginobili. It’s obvious you don’t really know the game if all you can say is “But Shaq!”
Man! Love your content! You are a truly talented and expert person about this! Am glad to know that we still have smart people in the world! Just love it!
The level of competition Kobe faced was incredible. So many teams in the Western Conference that decade that were championship caliber each led by their own superstar. It was so balanced the 4-6 playoff spot would change on a nightly basis so games meant a lot more, plus you needed 50 wins alone to even have a shot
Spread the truth. People keep slandering this goat's name. Like he wasn't killing anyone in the 00s. And his 08-10 finals run included so many 50+ win teams. Way more than most other legends
As a laker fan I loved Kobe’s era because he always defined greatness. Now I look at my team and I feel disgusted because of the self proclaimed “GOAT” Lefraud James screwed up. I can never accept the Mickey Mouse ring in 2020 and that in season tournament.
2000's means from the years 2001-2010 that's why the Lakers championship in 1999-2000 doesn't count in this particular argument. So, Shaq had 3 championships during this span of a decade (2001-2010), 2001, 2002, and 2006.
My man! I appreciate you 🙏❤ And while Shaq does have 4 for his career, for purposes of these video, the first one with LA came in the 1999-00 league year. So I counted that for the previous decade...
@@deonkincaid Yea the 00-09 style is called the cardinal, while the 01-10 is called the ordinal style. I believe the cardinal is a more generally used, it’s easier to follow for most because only one digit changes. 👍🏼
Wow. Great video. It really puts Jordan and Kobe in their own unique category. Kareem and Wilt being admirable just below them in dominating the decade. Both Kareem and Wilt just won 1 title each in those decades although so that’s why you really see how incredible Jordan and Kobe were. Magic and Bird also dominated, and won titles, although they didn’t quite dominate as much over everyone else. It probably was the best decade. The 2010s are more of a toss up. Curry really wins it in terms of his impact in changing the game basketball wise, although I don’t really love the era he brought in. Still, he is the best in terms of dominating compared with LeBron who changed super team after super team, and played as a kind of all rounder. I really wouldn’t mind placing him at the 10th or 11th best player of all time, and if he and his fans accepted that reality, I’d have more respect for him, especially with his longevity. It’s the GOAT nonsense that is so annoying. Like a gnat in my face in August. Not really a problem, but just aggravating. It’s like arguing Brett Farve is the greatest QB of all time and disrespecting Brady and Joe Montana. You’d be better off just saying he’s better than Troy Aikman, John Elway or Peyton Manning, even Dan Marino or Roger Straubach or Fran Tarkington, Johnny Unites
Dope video, & people really need to stop with debating who's better when everyone knows Kobe was Mike's little brother that tried to be just like him. Leave it at that & he was 1000xs better than lebron. Which is why lebron ran from kobe 2xs in an all star game. Please do a video about that skap... people would 😭😂
The media hated Kobe! When he caught those bullshit charges the whole league except laker fans and real basketball fans knew he was the best… getting robbed of mvps a few years since Kobe w gasol always had the 1st seed. To this day Kobe sold more jerseys world wide during the 2000s and beloved more worldwide as the best player in the nba period.
@@syzorst2006 when he led the league in scoring averaging 35.4ppg when the league average 97ppg. He became the only player in NBA history to average 35ppg and make 1st Team All-Defense in the same season with Michael Jordan. Kobe finished tied for 1st in the entire NBA in Player Efficiency Rating that season. The Lakers had the 3rd worst offensive rating in NBA history when he was off the court, he averaged 40ppg for 2 months that season. The Lakers were a lottery team without him and he didn't have another teammate who finished top 10 in MVP voting like Steve Nash had in Shawn Marion who was the best defender on the Suns. Meanwhile Nash didn't average 20ppg or contribute defensively at all to the Suns. Kobe played with Smush Parker, Chris Mihm, Kwame Brown, Brian Cook, Luke Walton and rookie Bynum. 60 win Mavs team was a 4th seed. Kobe outscored them in 3 quarters that season by dropping 62 points. Kobe had 27 40+ point games 6 50+ scored 81 points in a game they were down double digits to win. Whole teams set game planned to try to stop him. I've never seen anything like it.
@koolkai4299 Yeah sorry but Kobe avg 35 ppg while getting his team to only 45 wins isn't moving me. It's easy to score a bunch of points to be a one man show. Nash got his team a higher record while being more efficient than Kobe. After he did avg 18 ppg on 50/40/90. And while Nash wasn't great on the defensive end but his elite passing and playmaking is what elevated that team to having the best offense in league. Not to mention in 2006, let alone Nash, Kobe wasn't even above Lebron or Dirk that season in the MVP voting.
Kobe helps shaq to win 3 chips and kobe help USA and LEbRONZE to win his first. Olympic gold medal. And has more points and play in a harder era than mj. Never run never team up the truly 🐐
@@TruckLife89 no know needed Shaq 3 times..Shaq was league mvp and finals mvp..Kobe wasn’t even the best player on his team for most of his championships
Another great vid by Skap. What people forget is that in Dec.2009, Kobe fractured his index finger on his shooting hand. He refused surgery. Went into a shooting slump. Had to change his jump shot. Played the rest of the season and the playoffs with the broken index finger = won his 5th ring, playoff MVP, 1st team All-NBA offense AND defense. Like Larry Bird, Kobe's finger never was close to being right again. Kobe friggin' BEAN! The last warrior in the NBA. May Kobe's legacy never die. Can't wait to read the lame LeFlop Fanboy comments. (they're comin'!). I'm sure you'll see something like these: LBJ's rookie ppg was higher than Kobe's rookie season, that makes LBJ the GOAT. 🤣 If LBJ had help with the Cavs, he definitely would have won at least 2 rings in the 2000s... 🤣🤣 If LBJ didn't sprain his big toe in 2007, he definitely would have swept the Spurs in the Finals... 🤣🤣🤣
Couldn’t agree more, the 2000’s is Kobe’s era. Much respect for this Legend. 💜💛 The insane part is that this guy made the Super team of LeBronze happen as per Wade😂
@kierzenpaultorrico9251 That doesn't change the fact that it was Wade's opinion. Lebron had a 16-6 winning record against Kobe. Why would he be worried about him? LeBron's was worried about the big 3 Celtics because that was the best team that dominated the eastern conference at the time.
@@syzorst Yeah and it does not change the fact that they colluded to WIN championships cause they’re jealous of Kobe’s Chips and to promise not 1, not 2, not 3, not 4, not 5, not 6, not 7 and only deliver 2. Lol
Kobe is clearly the goat of the 2000s. Shaq's prime was relatively short. Duncan somehow managed to win a chip 7 years later his last one, dude deserves to be in the top 10 all time. AI and KG unfortunately didn't have competitive teams, otherwise they would be in this conversation.
I remember them airballed shots against utah... Getting swept in 99 by duncan... Crying in 03 when Duncan beat him again... Costing shaq a ring in 04, missing his playoffs in his prime in 05, blowing a 3-1 lead against a suns team without Stoudemire in 06, getting eliminated by 39 in 08 by pierce, barely beating a hou team without yao N tmac in 09, getting swept by dirk 2011, getting spanked by kd in 2012 and missing the playoffs the last 4 yrs of his career until he missed everything 2020
People like to talk about LeBron’s basketball IQ and making players better but never mention Kobe’s actual IQ and ability to inspire. The man was brilliant, dedicated and an all around leader.
Kobe from 2000-2010 is 4-1 against Duncan in the playoffs. Kobe 29.3ppg Shaq 24.8ppg Shaq never outscored Kobe in any playoff series in the 2000s against the Spurs. Kobe met Duncan without Shaq once in 2008...Lakers won in 5 games. Clearly Kobe is the player of the 2000s. Shaq got the Finals MVPs because the East was weak. The real Finals was in the West, where Kobe flourished.
Damn brah, you KNOW I respect the hell out of you and appreciate you. And THIS is EXACTLY why. This smart, insightful and SPOT on commentary. My man 🙏❤
@@skap_attack also shaq was outplayed by tim duncan in those years Shaquille O'Neal averaged 22.4 points, 12.8 rebounds and 2.8 blocks in 30 games versus Tim Duncan in the playoffs in his career. Tim Duncan averaged 25.6 points, 13.0 rebounds and 3.8 assists in 30 games versus Shaquille O'Neal in the playoffs in his career. MEANWHILE Kobe Bryant averaged 28.2 points, 5.9 rebounds and 4.7 assists in 30 games versus Tim Duncan in the playoffs in his career. On 47% shooting 35% 3PT CONCLUSION Shaq does NOT get passed the spurs in 2001 minus Kobe shaq does NOT get passed the spurs in 2002 minus kobe 2000 would have been shaq best chance to win minus kobe BUUUT he would have lost Kobe Bryant got a double-double with 25 points and 11 rebounds versus the Trail Blazers in Game 7 of the 2000 Western Conference Finals on June 4, 2000. Shaquille O'Neal put up 18 points and added 9 rebounds and 5 assists against the Trail Blazers in Game 7 of the 2000 Western Conference Finals on June 4, 2000.
perfect video, summed up what i saw. i wasn't really a kobe fan, but frankly, no one was better for the 00s, even duncan as great as he was wasn't at kobe's level. i'll be interested in who you got for the 10's i think it's pretty obvious too... Steph Curry, matched lbj's 3 titles for the decade, had 2 mvps, and redefined offensive ball for the whole league, plus he got his 3 titles against lbj. and all 3 of those titles, i'd argue curry's supporting cast was inferior to the "king's", and when you look at the fail durrant has been without curry, or the fact curry took 2 rings without durrant, or the nba basically robbing curry of a 4th ring by fixing the 16 finals, i'd say he's probably the best player of the decade.
LMAO Curry’s supporting cast was inferior to Lebron’s was it? So for 2018, KD Klay Draymond and Iguodala is worse than Love, JR Smith, George Hill and Kyle Korver? For 2015, Klay, Draymond and Iguodala is worse than Shumpert, Mozgov, Dellavedova? 🤣🤣 This alone invalidates anything else you say
Ayyyye I’ve been waiting for this. Thank you. @skap I have Kobe clutch stats that I would love to send you that are never talked about. Would you be cool if I email you?
@@a012345 maaaan that’s tough. I mean ultimately Kobe does have the loss the Detroit and Boston on his finals resume. BUT you’re asking if he won that 2011 season? Beating the Miami super team with just Gasol? Yeaaa. I don’t think I’d go Kobe OVER Jordan. But that would definitely be a 1A and 1B type thing for me.
Duncan has higher VORP, Box plus/minus, win shares, win shares per 48, and PER. Both Total and Per season. Duncan wins them all. Every. Single. One. More MVP's, wins, and Finals MVP's as well. Edited because I forgot TS%. Timmy owns that one too. Duncan won 71.9% of his games. More than 7 out of 10 games is a win. 59 wins per season average. Kobe is at 62.1%, or an extra loss every ten games. 51 wins per year. Still great numbers, but not great enough.
Career win shares (same amount of games played) Tim-206 Kobe-172 That’s 2 seasons worth of difference Seasons with double digit win shares Tim-12 Kobe-1 Peak win shares Duncan-17.8 Kobe-14.9 Duncan had 2 seasons that was better than Kobe’s best season Both 110 offensive rating for their careers. But Tim’s best was 116 and Kobe’s best was 110 Defensive rating 96 for Duncan 105 for Kobe. Duncan had 10 seasons defensive rating under 100, Kobe had 1 season. Box plus/minus Duncan-5.5 Kobe-3.9 Duncan had 4 seasons better to Kobe’s best season.
Kobe"s decade is the only one that the young up and comers couldn't steal a championship. MJ got one on Magic and Bird.'s decade. Duncan got one on MJs decade. But nobody could get one on Kobe's decade. The game was played the toughest in the 2000s and Kobe rose above it all even with the NBA stacking ALL the best players throyghout the west while leaving one super team Boston and one Lefraud in the East. All those 50 win teams Kobe annihilated with a one time all star. That was amazing.
People that actually watched ball in the 2000s know there was absolutely zero debate between Kobe and Duncan. I have no idea when the hell Duncan suddenly passed up Kobe????? I'm pretty sure it's some other manufactured Klutch Mafia propaganda at this point.
Because a 38 yr old Duncan in 2014 tore LeBitch to shreds. And he should’ve been 3-0 against him if not for Ray Allen. The same Duncan that Kobe had the most winning percentage against too. But of course, the Krutch mafia always omits that last part.
I agree 100%. This Duncan revisionism started within the last 5 years or so. IF YOU WATCHED during the 2000s it was EASILY Kobe. EASILY. No conversation. And now, I respect the hell out of Duncan. I have him around 6th or 7th ALL TIME on my list. But he wasn't better than Kobe.
Its bc his team never hit rock bottom. They were consistently contenders through TDs career, even though he won fewer chips then Kobe in their primes. Lakers were up and down, which is really a front office thing but... people look at the standings
That kobe stuff used to be almost lebron level of hype and love where the media would just fawn over him. And it wasn't as annoying than it was with LeBron cause obviously kobe was better, but it got delusional at times cause he did have shaq and he did have those years where the team wasn't that great. I never got the duncan having great teammates thing and yet kobe had a top 10 player of all time and wasn't even a fmvp during that run. Also he did quit during a playoff series. Duncan was consistently always competing for titles and he only ever had one top 75 player on his team, and idk if I would count kawhi cause he duncan was still the best player in during those 2014 playoffs. Also there's several miracle shots/plays that have happened that have stopped duncan from 6 or 7 titles
Duncan has my vote. Imagine if he had the luxury of having another all time great like shaq had Kobe and Kobe had shaq? He had more rings. Garnet doesn’t belong and I would not name him in the same breath as Duncan, Kobe and shaq. Those are the three by far!
Another Skap masterpiece. I have the 2000's GOAT closer myself. My guy Kobe laid an egg in 2004. They should have beat the Pistons. That's the only knock I have. We don't want to talk about LeBron. He didn't win jack in this decade. I have TD a little closer. But 5>3. And Tim's teams never repeated. In fact, his teams only went to the finals 2 times in a row once and in the following decade. I can't argue scoring or defense. Slowest pace and teams/individuals actually had to play defense. What Kobe did was remarkable. For those saying Shaq carried Kobe I say nope. To score, you have to be in the position to score and have the capability. Subtract Kobe's scoring from those teams and the Lakers would have been trash. Who would be picking up the slack? Glen Rice? Horace Grant? Robert Horry? Derek Fisher? Those early Laker teams were the Shaq AND Kobe show. Shaq was an extreme liability at the free-throw line. Had to be kept out of the lineup in close game situations. So how is one carrying the other? Can't wait for your 2010's episode. That should be interesting. Thanks again.
