The Worst Recovery Moves in Smash Bros. History

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Recovery moves are vital to each character's survival in Smash Bros.
But, some characters have some very bad options for recovery.
In this video, I discuss what I think are the worst recovery moves in the Smash Bros. series.
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@DaDandyman 4 года назад

When you stop someone from recovering, it's called a "gimp." "Ganking" is when you ambush an opponent in a MOBA and team up on them.

@akio0191 4 года назад

Yeah i had a stroke when he said this

@Serralas 4 года назад

A gank is also killing a monster or anything really in Supernatural. 😂

@_doop8257 4 года назад

Well: Pikachu, Pikachu, Pikachu, Pikachu and Pikachu

@kash2862 4 года назад

Yea it was triggering me rlly bad

@ziphrox 4 года назад

Not only in MOBAs tho. We also use the term in Dark Souls PvP.

@santiagoossa2301 4 года назад

Smash 64 link looks like he isn’t even trying

@raichu472 4 года назад

Looking at the Pikachu vs. Link matchup hurt a little

@IIIISai 4 года назад

don't let that low recovery beat you, If your an aggressive player you'd good combo into link Up B, and or not need recocer if controlling the match

@justinhaugan1124 4 года назад

Literally worse than a midair jump

@nkyiem 4 года назад

Duwang

@nahor88 4 года назад

@@IIIISai That was legit until the idiot community banned Hyrule, which was Link's only viable stage. Now pretty much the only person that can win with Link is Isai, and even then, it's rough. Funny enough, Isai was one of the most vocal proponents of not banning Hyrule. At least we have Smash Remix now, where Young Link has one of the best recoveries in the game, and is arguably one of the best characters.

@eliteteutonicknight1 4 года назад

Out of everything on the list, I'd say Link's 64 Up B is the worst. It's basically a lone ice climber Up B that doesn't grab edges properly. It's extremely bad. Mac's recovery looks reliable by comparison lol

@Godzilla1282 4 года назад

I've been a Link main since Smash 64. I'm very stubborn

@thatperson1009 4 года назад

Yh I agree as it has like hardly any vertical distance

@thatperson1009 4 года назад

Godzilla1282 yh link was pretty powerful in 64 so I would see where your coming from

@falco642 4 года назад

if popo didnt have his side b in melee he would have the worst recovery but with side b you can make good horizontal distance

@Sacred_Sword 4 года назад

I would say the opposite. At least Links recovery didn't remain the same thing transitioning into Melee. On the other hand Little Mac can be removed from the roster for all I care. If Little Mac had more appearances in other games or more "Punch-Out!" games in general I feel like he would be much different in Smash.

@santago8234 4 года назад

Plot twist: Little Mac's down-b is a recovery move

@frankestock6275 4 года назад

Sant! I’ve seen them die using counter by the ledge and dying cause they weren’t attacked

@thenorfnonly3486 4 года назад

Technically, you can use all of Mac’s specials to recover

@santago8234 4 года назад

@@thenorfnonly3486 Its true :)

@YourCrazyDolphin 4 года назад

@@frankestock6275 I died by being attacked using counter. No jumps, and hit by a get-up attack.

@manyachievables 4 года назад

So is his K.O.! Punch, which is why I personally find Mac's Smash Ultimate recovery worse than Mac's Sm4sh recovery. I would trade old K.O. Punch for the ability to use Side B and then Up B.

@astro_1707 4 года назад

The Belmont's have a decent range in their recovery but they have the air mobility of a snail attached to a parachute made out of sandpaper and sadness Edit: They decent vertical range on their recovery plus the tether on their aerials

@julienventura8632 4 года назад

They deserve it

@ABAgamer_ 4 года назад

In what way?

@ghostspider 4 года назад

Yeah in what way

@ace6897 4 года назад

Astro _ lmao what a fucking fantastic description

@Geneolgia 4 года назад

@@ABAgamer_ because he lost to one online

@bonezxz 4 года назад

I have an honorable mention: Hero with no MP

@homemaderamen 4 года назад

SmileyTrashbag I see your suggestion and raise you this: Elwind with no charge.

@ishudsonn3183 4 года назад

SmileyTrashbag You seem to be forgetting something obvious. Sonic without spring.

@Capybaring 4 года назад

Pswed Pokemon trainer without pokemons is just an average human or Villager

@Capybaring 4 года назад

Damn could Villager be a pokemon trainer?

@alexanderredhorse1297 4 года назад

DK with no momentum.

@volcanicz6739 4 года назад

"You can't recover with the Belmonts" Shuton: Observe

@bonsoir7495 4 года назад

But it requires a sacrifice...

@pke571 4 года назад

that one moment will live on forever. it doesn’t have to be explained it’s so legendary

@Wrench-007 4 года назад

Lmfao.

@Exceed_HS 4 года назад

Don’t let Belmont’s garbage recovery let you forget that Shuton Down-Air’d a Pikmin to recover

@Wrench-007 4 года назад

@@Exceed_HS Wow. Nice job making it obvious.

@swigtimefoxy4422 4 года назад

Jigglypuff in Melee and onwards: good recovery Jigglypuff in 64: ⬆️⬆️⬇️⬇️

@outofthecoral 4 года назад

Maybe more like ⬆️⬆️⬆️⬇️⬇️

@azophi 4 года назад

Recovery moves that can recover: exist Sing: hey

@Corrugatedkeeper126 4 года назад

She has 6 jumps guys

@intensellylit4100 4 года назад

@@Corrugatedkeeper126 and in 64 they all suck, your point?

@Corrugatedkeeper126 4 года назад

Intenselly LIt they have made it better

@-Haunter 4 года назад

Link starts descending halfway through his Up B despite it still being active- even Little Mac at least falls *after* the move is finished...

@TerrZy 4 года назад

He’s a beyblade

@JagoShogun 4 года назад

"He drops like a rock as if he has bricks tied to his ankles" *AHEM* they're called IRON BOOTS. You don't know the lore!

@ahmadkazan7994 4 года назад

He messed with the ancient text get him!

@larslke3184 4 года назад

so..... he's not wrong

@miitopianlife6180 4 года назад

The recovery is still crap

@JagoShogun 4 года назад

@@miitopianlife6180 No shit, they're iron boots.

@Toxin_Glitch 4 года назад

*These are winter boots*

@Sjono 4 года назад

Having poor recoveries can really make or break a character for me. I love Cloud, but his recovery without limit is so trash

@bimblor6866 4 года назад

Sjono not really

@stopplayin05 4 года назад

as a cloud main this is so true

@thefirefades 4 года назад

Dude, I used to main cloud and I got to 4.8 million gsp with him, his recovery is good if you know how to use it. There are many things you can do to get closer to the stage to recover. I think you're just bad.

@thefirefades 4 года назад

@Gustavo Vasconcelos jump airdodge recovery

@alejandromomota6934 4 года назад

XxFlannelxX cloud is easy to bait

@azophi 4 года назад

Recovery moves that make you go upwards: exist Sing: I'm gonna have to stop you right there

@quirkyqwertyto1055 4 года назад

Jiggs be guardin’

@azophi 4 года назад

@@quirkyqwertyto1055 lol

@michaelbesser5348 3 года назад

Depends on how you define a recovery, I guess, because Yoshi and Jigglypuff can often make it back to stage even though their Up B's only slightly help (Yoshi) or don't help at all (Jigglypuff). Having a bunch of jumps with Jiggly's air speed kind of means you can get away without one.

@princekingkingprince 4 года назад

Sorry buddy but once you make a “worst” video, you gotta have to follow up with a “best” video or riot

@ChromaLuke 4 года назад

Kirby probably tops all the lists except Ultimate. lol

@hahaurdum9961 4 года назад

@@ChromaLuke pikachu

@bastionunitb7388 4 года назад

Fucking villager from smash 4 I hate that balloon bastard

@anthonywashington2469 4 года назад

@Script bayonetta had a better recovery in smash 4 since she could put out hit boxes during it

@IAm-zo1bo 4 года назад

@@ChromaLuke wow kirby 5 jump wow kirby best recovery so op unstoppable right?

@DBE_TheZek 4 года назад

“Oilmar has basically the same weaknesses as Ivysaur.” Ivysaur crying in bottom tier.

@buubaku 4 года назад

Oilmar

@spongeman3090 4 года назад

Olimar is actually the 2nd best character in Brawl next to Meta Knight.

@buubaku 4 года назад

@@spongeman3090 i think that spot would go to ICs, actually. They were the only viable character with a positive matchup against meta knight, plus they're recovery was much better than olimar's, and they had a wobble on like half the cast

@diegogreninja3668 3 года назад

What abaout zero suit samus recovery in brawl

@sebc.416 3 года назад

@@spongeman3090 h o w

@theblueninjagaming3698 4 года назад

When recovering with incineroar its Best to use side special BEFORE double jump, using all of your available resources makes his recovery decent

@Melophoric 4 года назад

As long as you have your jump, Incineroar recover very decently and can mix up his reco quite a bit Big agree

@WarrickAuthor 4 года назад

People who don't use Incineroar or don't play against him don't realize that his recovery is very consistent. You have to get used to not using your jump when you get knocked offstage. The double jump alone makes his recovery very consistent. The up special has super armor and can sent an opponent downwards, so if you aren't prepared Incineroar can actually hit you with it and potentially take a stock. Also, if you get knocked into the top right corner of the blast zone you could try using up special since you can still jump, air dodge, and side special after the animation is done. I wouldn't recommend it though lol.

@enigmaboy6523 4 года назад

Honestly I'm so sick of people saying incin's recovery is awful. People really underestimate how safe it is to recover high. As long as you can aim for the ledge you shouldn't try to recover low

@enigmaboy6523 4 года назад

@@WarrickAuthor exactly

@danieldavid3766 4 года назад

I main Incineroar and I can consistently recover and/or take the stock of an edgeguarder with my Up-B

@Telcontar86 4 года назад

On paper, Link in 64 has some of the most effective means to control the pace of the fight while on stage. Disjointed attacks, a tether grab, and two types of projectiles. As long as you are controlling the fight, you're fine, and you can totally win against the majority of the small cast. Then Link gets hit offstage and he turns into Sandbag.

@marcushan-whyte6020 4 года назад

I'm surprised you didn't talk about cloud's abyssmal recovery. Without limit you go basically nowhere, and anyone with a disjointed d-air or any projectile hitting you without your jump kills you instantly and you become two-frame city with how much lag there is on it. Additionally, you can't even snap ledge! It truly sucks.

@byanar 4 года назад

yeah but at least sometimes he has a good recovery and side b and neutral b can help him stall in the air and give him a small horizontal boost even if he doesnt have momentum

@marcushan-whyte6020 4 года назад

@@byanar true, but you don't want to be using your main pressure/kill option as your recovery. It does help to charge limit offstage, but that can put you into disadvantage because you can't drift left or right. Cross slash isn't the best stall tool, as blade beam just does it better, but even then, stalling offstage just gives some projectile characters more time to set up and hit you, or allows characters with disjoints to hit you with buttons

@marcushan-whyte6020 4 года назад

And also stalling basically does not give you any horizontal boost. It's generally worse to use a stalling move as downward momentum is needed to move left or right, so unless you are recovering high, it's nearly useless. And if you are recovering high, why not use F-air? It covers more options, allows drift and you can land with it. Stalling really doesn't work for some characters.

@byanar 4 года назад

@@marcushan-whyte6020 even if you give them more time to set up their edgeguard there is still a chance to make it to ledge because they might mess up. also when cloud stalls idk why but it feels like he goes farther horizontally than if he just normally drifted

@byanar 4 года назад

also i think it would be better to survive without limit than to die with it

@TinkC43 4 года назад

3:53 You mean Iron Boots?

@rudyrubio5214 4 года назад

I was gonna make a comment on how he missed the opportunity to say iron boots 😂

@chiefkiep1147 4 года назад

The problem with your statement is that there is a terminal velocity, no matter how much heavier, so no real good reason for that statement.

@Mufflin 4 года назад

@@chiefkiep1147 By that logic there's no point in making the joke about bricks tied to his ankles.

@rac1equalsbestgame853 3 года назад

Love your WW profile picture

@emersonwodnick8012 4 года назад

No one: Literally no one: Doc Luis: yOu AiNt No AiR FiGhTeR MaC

@AlexEXE 4 года назад

Doc Luis out here preachin' facts.

@derodainfamous 4 года назад

Ikr

@theninjustice138 4 года назад

As the Mac main, gotta say it. Doc *Louis*

@kyeblade06 4 года назад

@@AlexEXE mac did you just try to dair pit

@IAm-zo1bo 4 года назад

Stop

@E.O.A.W 4 года назад

I would argue that JigglyPuff in Smash 64 should be a honorable mention, just because of the bad vertical movement it had. Otherwise good video.

@YamatoFukkatsu 4 года назад

Needless to say, Jigglypuff makes up for it significantly by having several jumps. In fact, Jigglypuff is often cited as having some of the best aerial maneuverability in the game, which goes to show that not everything boils down to the Up Special.

@seymourbrown4540 4 года назад

YamatoFukkatsu no, in 64 she had terrible jumps that barely did anything

@inediblemangoes7797 4 года назад

Nah that’s melee her air speed was ok but her jumps were dog shit in 64

@ColdHumor 4 года назад

Rising pound in 64 would like to talk to you.

@_Eremurus 4 года назад

Oh hello there Minor.

@Supwe 4 года назад

Alex: Sopo Side-B: Am I a joke to you?

@raghavarun9275 4 года назад

Worse smash 4 Mac

@antoniopriego5660 4 года назад

Side b doesn't even grab the ledge, no matter how close you are. You have to recover high or grab the lesge during freefall, otherwise Popo will bounce

@quirkyqwertyto1055 4 года назад

@@antoniopriego5660 it’s even worse if you just so happen to slip offstage.

@xenomaster7263 4 года назад

Antonio Priego and mashing doesn’t do much to help you either

@Rosie_Cozy 4 года назад

Links 64 up b that’s my prediction Edit: I was right lol

@bastionunitb7388 4 года назад

I don't remember that move being that bad And it looks strange now that we've seen how all the other games have him fly with his up B

@danielwappner1035 4 года назад

He's in the thumbnail lol

@jamesv337 4 года назад

Yeah, I never played as Link in 64 and said "Link's Up B sucks"

@baconbities 4 года назад

He's in the thumbnail

@leandronunes577 3 года назад

I still think Ness Up B is way worse than Link's Up B in 64 because at least Link's recovery is a good killing move Yes I know that this is not the point of the video Yes this is a Link main fangirling

@pedronovais4130 4 года назад

When I saw links recovery I actually started laughing

@fompjex 4 года назад

2:48 did you just... say... forward special?

@CloutmasterPhluphyy 4 года назад

Yep

@thealientree3821 3 года назад

Ryu mains be like:

@funnynamehere8025 3 года назад

@@thealientree3821 *Terry

@GuerreroSebastian 3 года назад

@@thealientree3821 *Terry

@FloofyQuenchiest 3 года назад

@@thealientree3821 *Terry

@Silent-mt2ot 4 года назад

3:57 the cpu Mario flexing lmaooo

@newchallenger9017 4 года назад

everyone on this list: I fear no man but that... thing Alex: One good hit off stage List: it scares me

@weapontriangleisasuggestion 4 года назад

*“yA aIn’T nO aIr FiGhTa MaC”* Gee thanks Doc, I sorta got that idea from the countless stocks I’ve lost because Mac’s recovery sucks ass

@Reece_is_still_here 3 года назад

I love how short and sweet these videos are. No fluff, no bs, just straight content and information.

@dabluepittoo-aqua4213 4 года назад

Aside from Pikachu, no one had a good recovery in Smash 64. However, Smash Remix's Young Link turns his older version's horrible move into a pretty decent recovery. Also Remix' Wario has a good recovery as well.

@shyarusu7755 4 года назад

I swear Remix Wario's recovery is actually really good

@ceeemgee0381 4 года назад

I think kirby had a good recovery in 64, despite it being kind of slow and exploitable

@personma6653 4 года назад

Hasn't wario always had a good recovery

@thatperson1009 4 года назад

Cough cough ness he had a rly good recovery if u do it correctly

@dariuscox3576 4 года назад

Dude, you forgot Mario’s recovery in Smash 64, it’s up there with Pikacuh and Kirby for the best recoveries in the game!

@yeetusskeetus884 4 года назад

Alex: “forward special” Me: Dies on inside

@DaRamnGod 4 года назад

Edge Hogging

@mikey-hm7dt 4 года назад

@@DaRamnGod That is the term for what he is describing, what is wrong with it

@DaRamnGod 4 года назад

The term in smash is edge guarding but they'd have the same meaning so it doesn't matter

@mikey-hm7dt 4 года назад

@@DaRamnGod no, no they don't. In melee and brawl, if you hold the ledge the other person can't grab it and it's used as an edgeguarding tactic and this tactic is called edge hogging

@zacharyyoungblood7013 4 года назад

Ah, a fellow 64 Link main. I too got destroyed by my siblings.

@N12015 4 года назад

I was mostly a Kirby and Yoshi player. My brother a Link player. I was the one who normally win those matchups.

@leandronunes577 3 года назад

*sad Link main noises*

@thickums5344 4 года назад

Incineroar's recovery is very versatile actually. If you were hit kind of high, just start with an up b, you have your jump, air dodge, side b and can still attack to mix things up. When he's hit below the stage height is when he has issues

@johnkastran1253 4 года назад

God them calling gimping “ganking” frustrated me to no end. But otherwise good video!

@DJTileTurnip 4 года назад

Why does everyone say Incineroar has a bad recovery? He actually is able to get pretty far

@mystic0146 4 года назад

Its a following of people not using up b first then using side b and jump, and his up b having horrible horizontal distance.

@power0029 4 года назад

DJ Tile Turnip it’s not bad distance-wise, just exploitable.

@sethstoll8525 4 года назад

Yeah the real problem with Incineroar’s recovery is his air speed. His side b and up b allow him to mix up his recovery quite well.

@michaeljames6737 4 года назад

Cloud recovery and Wolf too aren't that bad I don't SD with cloud often

@quirkyqwertyto1055 4 года назад

Yeah, maybe it’s because it’s a multi-step recovery and only Incen mains and pocketeers have the time for that.

@bije277 4 года назад

Sopo’s recovery in Ultimate honestly seems better than Link’s recovery in 64.

@Clepto_and_Co 3 года назад

I've done both, and it is

@N12015 Год назад

@@Clepto_and_Co That's because Ice climbers are floatier.

@Clepto_and_Co 3 года назад

The Belmont's have enough mix-ups on their recovery to keep people guessing, I haven't had too much trouble getting back on stage after I got used to how differently the Belmont's recovery is

@reritheguy6756 4 года назад

This man really just said "forward Special".

@envan7865 4 года назад

Reri, Elder God Nerd Terry Bogard Tings

@reritheguy6756 4 года назад

@@envan7865 ok fair

@moussacamara909 4 года назад

Was it really a surprise that Little Mac's recovery was one of if not the worst (and people say Roy's recovery in Melee was the worst)

@AlexEXE 4 года назад

It's definitely up there - I think Ivysaur's (from Brawl) is even more exploitable though!

@intensellylit4100 4 года назад

@@AlexEXE based on this video, I have a growing suspicion you don't actually play smash.

@CloutmasterPhluphyy 4 года назад

@@intensellylit4100 lol yeah

@nathanthompson8666 4 года назад

Incineror shouldn’t be on this list imo. You’ll recover from nearly any offstage situation without an opponent edgeguard, which is more than at least a couple of other ultimate characters.

@kyeblade06 4 года назад

I mean who should be in his place he already had used all the other ones

@nathanthompson8666 4 года назад

Blade 06 good point. Of the ones not used in other games maybe captain falcon or duck hunt. Incineroar might be 3rd worst in the game not including doc/Ganondorf.

@kyeblade06 4 года назад

@@nathanthompson8666 soneone else said luigi which is a fair point since in that adaptation he can down b mash

@bowsertnt7904 4 года назад

Down B mash doesn’t exist in Ultimate for Luigi.

@kyeblade06 4 года назад

@@bowsertnt7904 oh i thout i put in a t

@shalashaska69420 4 года назад

Incineroar’s recovery: imma go up, THEN DROP DOWN

@olivinator 4 года назад

his recovery is actually pretty good, the clips from the video were just from trash incineroar players.

@bowsertnt7904 4 года назад

olivinator it was from a computer which is worse LMAO

@cyfer115 4 года назад

I would say Kirby’s recovery is worse than Bowser’s in Melee because of how abysmal his air speed is, but Bowser is a good pick for this list. Thanks for the upload! 😊

@maikybourgeois5086 4 года назад

This video is so well edited, no "n°1,n°2..." and the linkages are so fluent!

@cadethecrustycreature 4 года назад

Hi Can you do the difference between ness and Lucas?

@AlexEXE 4 года назад

That's on my list! It'll be coming at some point. :)

@cadethecrustycreature 4 года назад

Cool!

@mythoughtsexactly2145 4 года назад

@@AlexEXE how about Fox to Falco/Wolf?

@Juan-zs6jt 4 года назад

Every freaking thing in the world.

@k.schuffs4657 4 года назад

They are different characters altogether. There specials are "the same" but even those are different.

@Mrocto-si6wt 4 года назад

Links ability like he has bricks to his ankle Meanwhile kirby turning into chests rocks

@Cri_Jackal 4 года назад

Solo Ice Climber recovery is surprisingly not actually as bad as it looks, their good air speed and decent jump height help make this move semi functional. I've been able to get back on stage consistently whenever my opponent doesn't go for any good edge guards, which is better than what quite a few characters can say for themselves *-cough -**_-Chrom-_**- cough-*

@kyeblade06 4 года назад

Chrom has no forward momentum

@user_beep6964 3 года назад

As an honourable mention, we have: *Recovering from my alcoholism after missing the ledge as Little Mac*

@Metalc 3 года назад

This needs likes

@Uvirith 4 года назад

*sees title* Little Mac: Aw shit, here we go again.

@michaeluwuowo 4 года назад

Alex.exe:there's not one thing ivysaur can do to get his grass type ass back to the stage. Every Pokémon trainer main:SWITCH TO THE DAMM CHARIZARD!!!!!!

@justincheung9205 3 года назад

you can only switch to charizard in ultimate

@jonathanyu9076 4 года назад

Also i want to add something about macs recovery in ultimate in smash 4 when mac was hit out of side b he regained side b but in ultimate that is not true when mac is hit out of side b in ultimate he will not regain his side b.

@kyeblade06 4 года назад

Still dont know why they did that

@chiefkiep1147 4 года назад

Yup, that is kinda stupid

@alexandergee4677 4 года назад

He also had KO Punch as a recovery option in smash 4. It gave Mac decent horizontal momentum, but not in Ultimate

@kyeblade06 4 года назад

@@alexandergee4677 it had a lot of endlag

@Hu-kun 4 года назад

@@alexandergee4677 Its sorta possible in Ultimate. Though you need to make sure you're moving to the direction you wanted to go to, otherwise you go nowhere

@andrewkrebs5608 4 года назад

See the thing is, I main incineroar, so I know exactly how to recover properly with him, and it doesn't look like you were even trying in those clips. I'd reconsider ur choice, as his up special is actually quite a powerful recovery tool if you actually bother to space him correctly I think chrom would have been better for that spot, have no horizontal recovery at all

@cadethecrustycreature 4 года назад

I main him too, and I realized he doesn’t even have a great horizontal recovery... also I can agree that chrom would have been better.

@andrewkrebs5608 4 года назад

@@cadethecrustycreature dude I know the exact angles of his up b to make it back to ledge every time. It's kind of easy. He doesn't deserve a spot on this list

@cadethecrustycreature 4 года назад

@Andrew Krebs k then, you’re the better incin main I guess lol

@WarrickAuthor 4 года назад

Chrom does have excellent Aireal drift though. He would be a lot better if he had Ike's side special though

@thegoodgeneral 4 года назад

Yeah don’t worry, I don’t think this is coming from a competitive Smash perspective. This is only like a cut above a “WHO’S GOT THE BEST B SPECIAL?” video that doesn’t realize Sheik’s neutral B is charging/throwing needles in Melee.

@TheRamblemanWhoSings 4 года назад

not gonna lie i was confused when you said genks & edgehog since im so used to hearing gimps & edge guard [EDIT] I know edgehoging is something different

@SuperSilver7591 4 года назад

Same here

@silasnichols7593 4 года назад

Edge hogging and edge guarding are different. Edge hogging is a mechanic in brawl where if you grab the ledge, other characters can’t grab the ledge at the same time as you.

@TheRamblemanWhoSings 4 года назад

@@silasnichols7593 oh ok but he also siad it when talking about dr.Mario in melee so that could of thrown me off

@psycular 4 года назад

The ramble man edge hogging is in melee too

@eduardoboulocq3135 4 года назад

@@TheRamblemanWhoSings edgehogging is in melee too

@WildlandsGG 4 года назад

Had to turn this off when you got to Melee and started talking about Doc. The footage you used to showcase how "bad" his recovery is was just garbage recovery attempts. Should have known when I failed to see a single sweet spot on Ness's recovery in N64 footage where this video was going.

@quackle5623 4 года назад

I think that he is just out of practice with the older games since his picks for the later games are pretty accurate.

@Edddy_S 4 года назад

listening to casuals talk about Smash is so annoying lmao i’m assuming he doesn’t know what sweetspots are

@josiahtheawkward6008 4 года назад

I love how all these characters are from the games the premiered in. *except Ganon in Smash 4

@h4jdesh_10 3 года назад

Alex.exe: hmmmm which smash game can I not think of two characters? Oh Smash 4? Ok, I'll give that one to ganondorf

@W3AR138 4 года назад

For vids like this, I recommend grouping each one by game. So, worst ones in 64, then melee, and so on just for a bit more structure. Either way, nice solid vid. Will definitely sub

@BluesM18A1 4 года назад

I like how the Belmont's air mobility and recovery game is wickedly weak because it matches how the older games work. It's an amazing touch, really.

@waluigist 4 года назад

“Dr mario from melee” Have you SEEN him in ultimate?

@nikyu.106 3 года назад

I think it's literally worse than little mac's

@FroggyORTIZ 4 года назад

I used to main Link in 64. Whenever I play 64 actually, I still play him, and I use his lavender alt. I have mained Link in every Smash game. I love the character and the series he hails from. Cool video!

@DiegoideGetsNoBitches 4 года назад

Literaly everypne after seeing the title: LITTLE MAC

@1080Frostbite 4 года назад

As a Robin main, It's always hard if I'm knocked off when I just ran out of elwind, the recovery is basically reduced to the solo Ice Climbers.

@yeeterman007 4 года назад

5:26 “Just whack Gannon away from the ledge” That’s the point of edge-guarding

@laneriddle6893 2 года назад

With other characters, they have a chance of returning if they are edgeguarded. With Ganon (just one N in the middle) he’s not making it back.

@ASmarterThanAverageSeel 3 года назад

Random Guy playing Link in Smash 64: Oh no! I feel off the stage! I need to go up! Smash 64 Link: ALL I BROUGHT IS A SWORD, HOW THE HELL AM I SUPPOSED TO DO THAT

@Geneolgia 4 года назад

I would add Chrom and Cloud to honorable mentions they can be easily gimped just like the Belmonts with just one easy hit, also Chrom's gets negated by characters with counters and Cloud can only hope his limit gets charged when he's offstage.

@IAm-zo1bo 4 года назад

But chrom has that weird spike

@kingbbqchicken 4 года назад

Lol if you have Roy or someone against Chrom just hit him off stage one and time your counters and hes a ded child

@diegobodegaluis5125 4 года назад

I don't know. Chrom's recovery is bad, but the boy does have an excellent air speed, which is the saving grace to not be truly awful

@dontegraves5051 4 года назад

@@diegobodegaluis5125 It still won't help against certain types. Link, Pac-Man, Bayonetta, Captain Falcon and especially not Mario. Fire Emblem characters like Chrom, Ike and Roy in particular have little chance at returning back to stage against Mario.

@diegobodegaluis5125 4 года назад

@@dontegraves5051 I agree about that. Mario is pretty opressive when he has stage control

@phantompop3192 4 года назад

God I remember when I compared Melee Link to 64 Link. First time I saw him actually rise skyward, I felt utter joy.

@TheIceCreamWizard 4 года назад

Zss from brawl: MUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA I’M NOT IN THE LIST

@gwroliver3540 4 года назад

*flip kick*

@Sly88Frye 4 года назад

My former best friend's main in Smash 64 was Link and I never saw how well he played that character as I met him when Melee was the new game when we were teenagers but I heard it may have been legendary. A bit surprising considering how bad that character was in the game. I personally feel his recovery was so terrible because in his original series he doesn't jump or doesn't jump on command. Just jumps ledges so he isn't a good jumper.

@CanZand7SM 4 года назад

3:15 Plus, when he uses this move, he has a voice clip from IVYSAUR.

@PeinMartyn 3 года назад

When clicking on this video I was thinking “PK Thunder.” First pick did not disappoint.

@aidanklobuchar1798 4 года назад

Oh come on, Doc's recovery isn't that bad, definitely not bottom 2ish in Melee. Years of watching Shroomed's Doc (RIP) has me convinced that the move is un-edgeguardable.

@Edddy_S 4 года назад

the dude who made this video is obviously a casual who has never heard of sweet spotting lmfao

@halt1931 4 года назад

As a Ganondorf main, the biggest issues are lack of mixup (he's got one of the, like, three remaining side specials that put you into freefall for movement and I honestly don't get why characters like Incin or the spacies can use theirs but not him), and, of course, rockcrock. Both of his "recovery" moves get him killed if he lands them offstage trying to reach the ledge. Why.

@murilo.sccp11 3 года назад

7:18 This music is so relaxing!

@druco123 4 года назад

The incineroar clips it was you and the cpu being bad lmao, all of em were livable

@maximusmax1063 4 года назад

Incin recovers below the stage way more often than he does above or level with it though ??

@fuguranto 4 года назад

and there's some super armor at the beginning too. it's not SUPER awful, just sucks when you mess up timing enough that you die early.

@bowsertnt7904 4 года назад

Luigi’s recovery is worst than his recovery

@airestith5309 4 года назад

@@bowsertnt7904 I think it all boils down to how well you know the character. Because with a enough labbing of the character you can know when to air dodge and jump to give you the mobility to get to stage depending on who your playing. It also depends on what the rules are like does best mean, like anyone can pick up the controller and recover with this character or does it mean the distance or how well they get back to stage even being edge guarded.

@bowsertnt7904 4 года назад

Chris Hall yeah, but you can just take the hit of the side-B and just bait his jump

@Funkermonsterco 4 года назад

@@fuguranto Cross Chop's actually _heavy_ armored: It has a threshold of 11.99%, which is actually pretty weak when you consider that there's several aerials in the game do enough % to beat that.

@OmegaM3TE0R 4 года назад

Ey, you forgot the Ice CLIMBERS normal recovery because if you let yourself get hit by Nana, Popo will go nowhere

@cmcwar 4 года назад

Here are some examples I thought of: 64 Jigglypuff: She just has terrible air mobility and a up b that doesn’t go anywhere. The only reason why she isn’t bad at recovering now is due to probably one of the best air momentum in the game 64 Fox: Very gimpable Brawl ZSS: another tether character Mabye more

@D-W-N-Xsist 4 года назад

CMCwar Melee and 64 Falcon is also trash

@RosiYYAP 4 года назад

Brawl ZSS has multiple options to get to ledge, plus she doesn't go into helpless after tethering. She's got one of the most consistent, varied recoveries in the game that requires a lot of precision to edge guard without getting gimped yourself

@xenomaster7263 4 года назад

Ganon in litterally any smash game as well, but that’s too obvious. Cloud when you don’t have limit (not great air mobility or height on up b, plus doesn’t snap to ledge making it very punishable) Ike: same problems as cloud but a bit better because side b, though side b can be easily exploited in many cases too, and is quite a risk. Chrom: see Ike, but at least he has better air speed despite a lack of side b

@willycheez7218 3 года назад

Donkey Kong should definitely be there instead of the Belmonts. He just straight up doesn't have the ability to grab ledge, he falls right past it. Combine that with his horrendous up B and he's just dead if you knock him off

@transorm987 4 года назад

I feel like this video had a poor title. Perhaps just "recovery" rather then recovery "moves" as you end up talking about several moves used in a characters recovery, rather then one specifc move.

@Wingspan183 11 месяцев назад

I remember being 5 years old playing Smash 64 and being in awe at how bad Links recovery was 😂

@sayzar9474 4 года назад

I too forgot how garbage Link’s recovery was in 64....yikes

@willfranklyn2 4 года назад

"Bellmonts are bad" *Simon flies into the blastzone*

@1weyrandom 4 года назад

Incineroar recovery Is decent

@PrevTsukasaRui 3 года назад

The opening at the start shows one of my fav games.

@skillato9000 4 года назад

I feel like Little Mac's recovery was better in WiiU, at least being hit in that game resets your specials, which means that you could side special multiple times(good against spammed projectiles or quick attacks). While in Ultimate, your opponent can interupt your side special start up animation and . . . that's it, you are done.

@transorm987 4 года назад

It's really not better....in Ultimate he can use Side Special and then follow up with up special. It's SUCH a vast improvement. Plus his air speed is faster overall, which makes recovery much better.

@skillato9000 4 года назад

@@transorm987 I mean, if they hit your side special you're left with just raising uppercut anyway, and since Little Mac's recovery moves are ridiculously predictable, the new mechanic it's more often than not useless

@transorm987 4 года назад

@@skillato9000 I'm well aware but in most situations, that reset in 4 wouldn't save you. I agree that it would be good to have now but it didn't make his recovery better then it currently is. Since that is far more situational.

@skillato9000 4 года назад

I guess each recovery has it's strenghts, as of rn I firmly believe they are equally terrible, if Sakurai gave us back the side special reset, that would truly be an improvement. I don't have an example atm, but I just can't help feeling salty when other characters have that trait and Mac doesn't.

@transorm987 4 года назад

@@skillato9000 Neither are good, I agree. It's just that the one in Ultimate is overall better

@wanderfilho5443 3 года назад

Me: watches some gameplay of a game in youtube RU-vid: ITS FREE REAL STATE

@lordquastheonly 4 года назад

Ivysaur in smash ultimate I literally can’t count how many times I clipped through the stage using it

@Cristeve 4 года назад

How?

@frappompi 4 года назад

It doesn't work if you're vertically too close to the edge, but you can switch into charizard for a double jump and up b or side b, so it doesn't count.

@narwhal6112 4 года назад

My honorable mention would be Diddy, whose up-b requires charging while still falling, and the time it takes to fully charge is basically the same distance you fall

@dontegraves5051 4 года назад

This only applies in Ultimate. In Brawl, charging it fully was much better than using it too early. In Smash Wii U, Diddy Kong could clear battlefield size stages almost 280 degress off a full charge...I don't understand why his recovery was nerfed.

@narwhal6112 4 года назад

@@dontegraves5051 yeah, it's so annoying

@plantrulz223 4 года назад

Incineroar has a really good recovery in Ultimate if you use it well. He can mix it up fairly easily and it goes a good distance. I would pick on more exploitable and linear recoveries first, rockcrocking Ganon and Captain Falcon or gimping Chrom.

@kyeblade06 4 года назад

Its mostly side b thats bad since its hella punishable

@bowsertnt7904 4 года назад

Blade 06 usually when people try it they will get grabbed by the move

@bowsertnt7904 4 года назад

He used computers for his examples folks

@kyeblade06 4 года назад

@@bowsertnt7904 im talking about the endlag

@pizzawonderer5024 4 года назад

Honestly, i would replace incineroar with donkey Kong, shit goes like an inch upwards. I cannot tell you how many times I've accidentally airdodges offstage and died because donkey Kong vertical recovery is ass

@Skullmiser 4 года назад

You should have mentioned that Ness's recovery move is impossible to use if he gets knocked between buildings in Saffron City. It makes it even worse!

@specialperson335 4 года назад

Incineroar should not be on this list.

@screweduptx512 4 года назад

Yes he should his recovery is ass

@specialperson335 4 года назад

@@screweduptx512 not compared to some other recoveries in some other smash games. Even dr marios recovery in ultimate is worse.

@sethstoll8525 4 года назад

Special Person well yeah but he said he was only using each character once. Like he mentioned Doc in melee so he did not bring him back up for Ult

@specialperson335 4 года назад

@@sethstoll8525 maybe not ult doc then but so many recoveries from older smash games are much worse than incineroar. DK from n64, fox from n64, mii brawler in smash ultimate (doesn't really count but still.) Falcon from n64 the list goes on.

@screweduptx512 4 года назад

I saw Bin Laden the other day

@cycloid2326 4 года назад

Yoshi in Melee probably should have been an honorable mention as he couldn’t mix up his recovery with egg throw until Brawl and was completely screwed if he got footstooled (he kind of still is).

@cc-cl9zz 4 года назад

Incineroar's recovery isn't that bad. You need to know how to use it and be patient.

@petrie911 Год назад

The saddest part of brawl tether recoveries is that if you hit the opponent off the ledge, you don't then attach to it.

@skewah 4 года назад

1:34 my guy just got gimped by a level 5 melee cpu

@tyler6643 4 года назад

How you know it's a level 5 CPU?

@skewah 4 года назад

@@tyler6643 it wouldn't matter if it was a level 9 melee cpu because cpus are complete trash in that game

@tyler6643 4 года назад

@@skewah True.

@monoko1234 4 года назад

My recovery blooper about FE characters : Marth : Not yet Lucina : Not yet Roy : Drifted wrong way Chrom : Can he? Ike : Side-B at a wrong spot Robin : Run out of Elwind Corrin : "Almost there" literally 3 time in a row -Byleth- : I don't own any DLC 5/7 of them can't recover on my hands...

@bastionunitb7388 4 года назад

Good video however the title is a bit misleading "Worst recovery moves" I was expecting sing or egg throw to be here But the video is talking about overall recoveries which is counting jigglypuffs jumps and yosis flutter jump A minor gripe but good video overall

@SirDumbassXXXIV 4 года назад

64 Link: My recovery is the worst in history. No contest. Popo: R U SURE ABOUT THAT

@MrAuthor3DS 4 года назад

Robin: Hold my empty tome.

@ErroTheCube 4 года назад

Yoshi & Jigglypuff: Are we a joke to you?

@Zenval 4 года назад

It's a decent video, but i have a couple of gripes with how you represented the bad recoveries in Ultimate. There were many scenarios that you showed where the characters being edgeguarded could make it back if they didn't 1. waste their jump early 2. wait until getting hit before using their jump

@pizzawonderer5024 4 года назад

"I have a lot of gripes" Only has 2 dot points

@Zenval 4 года назад

@@pizzawonderer5024 My bad, poor wording choice

@pastelsux 3 года назад

I feel so bad for Little Mac. In his source games, he's able to absolutely destroy men many years his senior, several feet stronger, and hundreds of pounds heavier without taking a single hit. He's even canonically stronger than Donkey Kong. Then he comes to Smash and becomes the joke of the entire game.

@Mr__Jack 4 года назад

Ness’s Melee recovery is even worse though. Literally take everything bad about his 64 recovery and remove the fact that it actually goes a long distance.

@diegobodegaluis5125 4 года назад

Yeah I would say bottom 2 recovery for sure and only beats Bowser ( maybe beats Kirby)