Oh god I feel that. Hopefully season 3 brings things back to the way they were. One of my favorite things about hibike was the way it took its time with the stories it told
I feel happy knowing that I'm not the only one disappointed by rushing the entire second year in one movie. Honestly I can barely recall what happened in it. Seasons 1 and 2 of Hibike Euphonium are easily among my top 10 anime, this movie is far from it.
3rd season of hibike euphonium has been announced today and it's going to cover the final year! I'm glad that it's getting a tv series. And yes, this film was good but it would really have more beneficial if it had a normal season because of the new characters. Depsite being the weakest part of hibike euphonium, I'm happy i was able to enjoy it.
@@Totaraum after this being announced officially after 3 years since the project started, waiting for 2024 is nothing. And i don't blame others for not liking the film. I really wanted more time to know the first years too.
Tbh I found this movie to be very forgettable and it was a massive disappointement for me, especially after watching the masterpiece that is Liz and the Blue Bird.
As much as I liked this movie because it keeps the spirits of the original series, I'm gonna have to agree that the movie felt very rushed and would have preferred it to be the usual 12 episode length that it's always been. I really wanted to know more about Motome which I wanted to relate to but never got the time to properly connect with, and the performance despite it being beautiful in itself, the buildup to it is nowhere near as good as the original series due to how short it is. Oh well, at least Kumiko saves the movie because I love her LOL
Kumiko will always be a saving grace. I also agree that it has the same hibike spirit but I just don't think it's appealing when it's sped up 30 times over
I do trust KyoAni to do good in S3, these subplots and characteres weren't really bad as they were rushed imo. Still they did dirty to those second years, I really liked many of those characters and I wasn't satisfied with their send-off. Btw that girl with mandibular arthritis is Tomoe Kabe, she featured mainly on the Kakedesu Monaka OVA, basically the thing about her is that in the end she never got to play in the competition.
I didn't think the movie was that bad when I watched it but reviewing it compared to the rest of the show.. Yeah, it's painfully rushed, Kumiko and Shuichi's romance was barely discussed even though it literally opens the film, but then again their "romance" makes no sense as explained in the video. So many new characters also need development, yet only two got little of it. The first two seasons and Liz were some of the best drama anime I've seen and goddamn do I hope the 3rd year is adapted better.
@@shana_sakai The adaptation is bad (not just the movies, the anime also). In the novels, there's a shit ton of interactions between Kumiko and Shuuichi which made them dating not really a surprise, while the anime pretty much focused on the yuri, resulting in the anime/movie only watchers saying that Kumiko dating Shuuichi is forced
@lordrald09 EXACTLY in the novels the development of kumiko and shuuichi was very well done but because of the director wanting girls kissing he fuked it all up
I watched this movie yesterday and I seriously wish I didn't. It feels almost like a parody of the TV show, like they were trying to do all the things that the two seasons did without understanding what made them work in the first place. You can't do good character drama without good characters, and you can't do good characters with direction and writing like this. KyoAni, Monet you are not; you can't just dab some characterisation here and some great animation there and hope that the result ends up looking good somehow. It's especially infuriating because the upperclassmen--Natsuki, Yuuko, Mizore, Nozomi--were by far my favourite characters. To see their final year--and the fruits of Liz!--wasted on this sorry excuse of a plot is heartbreaking.
The movie "Chikai no Finale" had so much content that the focus blurred. But, for me, the movie's main focus seemed to show the aftermath of the movie "Liz and the Bluebird". Chikai showcased Mizore and Nozomi's performance of Liz and the Bluebird in the contest, and also showed that Reina, Kumiko and Shuichi had changed in their relations after they learned the lessons from Liz and the Bluebird. They stopped trying to monopolize their beloved, as Mizore and Nozomi did. Back to the season 2, Mizore and Nozomi's story suggested that the same thing would occur around them, (and also, Mizore and Nozomi were the embodiment of Asuka's inside in season 2). As Mizore recovered the bonds with Nozomi, Asuka recovered the bonds with her estranged father, and also Kumiko's sister-like bonds with Asuka were forged. The roles of Mizore and Nozomi seemed to be the same in the following movies mentioned above. In "Liz and the Bluebird" Reina and Kumiko played Mizore and Nozomi's part. This plot implied that the same thing would occur between Reina and Kumiko in the following movie "Chikai no Finale".
This is why I always say the 5th Anniversary Disc Drama CD is much better than the movie even though there are no visuals, it's much closer to the first two seasons, it's here in RU-vid, if it's ever released in english I'll buy it
So sad those arcs were .rar into a movie and not 12-13-14... episodes, it really felt super rushed and their lost (in the competition) felt so meaningless because of the lack of context, hopefully Kyoani will make his past mistakes up on the upcoming Season 3. I just don't wanna see one of my ever favorite and life changer shows going to garbage 😭
Imagine setting up one year of story in 2 whole seasons and then just doing the same for the second year in just one movie. This movie was destined to fail from its conception, even more when you have a show like Hibike with a huge cast. You can't just present and develop a third of the cast in one hour. And what's also unrealistic is that after reaching the Nationals the year before, this year they just lost in the first stage
They didn’t lose in the first stage. They lost in the second. The competition leading to nationals. There’s a local competition before regionals that they just didn’t show; it happens before summer camp. They brushed over the locals in s3 too because it’s a given they go to regionals at this point.
I'm with you on the disappointment train, but I gained a greater appreciation for it once i rewatched it a year later (although I still wouldn't say I like it nearly as much as s2, which I don't like nearly as much as s1). I nearly fell asleep during the performance on my first watch and there are long stretches of this movie I barely remember- not to mention I don't remember a single newly introduced character's name... One valuable perspective someone shared with me on this movie was that it demonstrates the cyclic nature of these conflicts- the feelings are human, normal, and expected. And those who have pushed through them before, like Kumiko or Natsuki (aka the secret GOAT of hibike), are the best equipped to share their knowledge and fix the issues this time around. I am totally aligned with you on the lack of focus piece, though I feel that was a bit of an emerging issue even in season 2. I have high hopes for season 3 though, I recognize that Chikai no Finale had a valuable story to share, but the production did not allow it to flourish. With a full TV series on the way, I feel that we will see hibike euphonium return to form!
I wound up watching the Sound! Euphonium movie (and Liz and the Bluebird) long before I ever happened to watch the anime series, and my intial impression was that it was an overall good movie. Since I had no context of the previous two seasons my introduction to all the characters mostly took place in this film. While I did get a sense of missing some minor plot elements the film did a good job of letting the audience enjoy the movie without needing to have see the previous two seasons. After watching the series and going back to the movie again however, all of your criticisms became more readily apparent. This does not mean that I do not like this film, but its flaws are more readily apparent after seeing an entire school year play out over the course of two seasons versus the next year being crammed into a two hour theatrical experience.
Thank you for the video op! And yes, as much as I’ am a huge Hibike and Kanade fan as well as the fact that I was excited to see the return of the old art style, I have to admit this movie felt lackluster and rushed compared to Liz to Aoi Tori 😔 had the potential to be great but came up short in the end…..
Completely agree with all your points on this one. This shouldn't have been a film; this should have been a third season. I think the problem is that the anime industry is realizing that there's more money to be made in movie theaters. That isn't to say that anime films don't their place, they certainly do-Liz and the Blue Bird, A Silent Voice, and Violet Evergarden: The Movie are all proof of that. But if this movie and Clannad: The Motion Picture are anything to go off of, some media are better suited to the longer runtimes of TV shows. Something I feel is worth mentioning is that almost all the problems of this movie were avoided by the previous movie, Sound Euphonium: May the Melody Reach You. In that movie, the filmmakers made the wise decision to trim down most of Season 2 to focus SOLELY on Asuka and Kumiko. The greater focus found in that movie worked very well, and I think that this movie could have benefitted from that kind of focus. Maybe, instead of trying to cram in so many subplots and characters, this movie could have focused primarily on Kumiko and Kanade. I really think there was something going there, and with a bit more time to flesh out Kanade and her subplot, it could have worked, but the rushed pacing squandered it. Anyway. Great video! Congrats on the world record.
To my knowledge kyoani is more so powered by what the studio wants to do rather than money, but I guess it would be dumb to assume that money doesn’t play a huge role. I totally agree that too many films like this one are doomed from the start due to an overcrowded story. I also didn’t see season 2’s recap movie because I thought it would just be a clip show, it’s surprising to hear that some genuine thought seemed to be put into it. And thank you, I practiced for years and now I finally hold the world record in something
@@Totaraum Ah, that kind of came out wrong. I wasn't really trying to take a dig at KyoAni in particular, and I'm completely in agreement that they focus more on pursuing projects that they want to do than most other studios. I actually think they've done a remarkably good job at balancing their movie output and their show output. Most of the time they know when something works better as a movie, like Liz and the Blue Bird, and when something works better as a show, like Clannad. I guess that their rock-solid consistency makes any sort of misfire stick out more.
@@chattywheeler5734 true, any dud from them sticks out like a sore thumb. I'm pretty sure money isn't much of a factor for them because of their success and their business model, but I could be totally off with that. I might look into how profitable making a film is compared to making a show because that's stuck with me ever since you brought it up
@@Totaraum Perhaps! I'd be lying if I said I had much knowledge of how KyoAni operates. I might just have to do my own internet search now; I'm realizing that I probably shouldn't be making big claims about the industry as a whole without evidence.
I watched seasons one and two back when they first came out and didn't know about Chikai no Finale until recently and I thought a similar thing. It was trying to cram in so much into an hour and 40 minutes (approximately). I did go into the movie wanting to enjoy it. but it felt like nothing was going on for so long even though there was actually a lot going on. If they didn't try and set up all of the plot points and just stuck to a couple it could have worked with the timeline the movie portrayed. or even if they had two movies to set up all the plots that were in this movie. (obviously a whole season would have been better but you can't have it all lol). overall they shouldn't have rushed it.
This movie is like Vince Lombardi having his opponents score against him, or Joe Torre's Yankees not making the 1997 World Series, or like watching a Disney direct-to-TV movie made during the 2nd Disney Renaissance And this really makes me hope we get to see Year 3 sooner rather than later - and preferably in a TV series, with KyoAni deviating hard, or both. Or maybe the band not having Natsuki just means certain doom, who knows?
I agree te movie is rushed and would've been so much better as a season/ova or at least 1 hour more of movie, but idk if the source material had enough ti cover 12 chapters, maybe that's why Kyoani decided to turn it into a movie, but I haven't read the 2nd year novels so idk
I still haven't seen or read anything from Hibike Euphonium, but I gotta support Certified Cool Dude Totaraum, so I watched this anyways and gave it a like. I don't think I've seen many unfocused films myself - I can only recall seeing the critically acclaimed films "Adjø Montebello" and "Assa", the latter of which I only made it midway through. But from this review and the comments under it, "Chikai no Finale" seems like a more frustrating type of unfocused compared to those two films: a type where you can tell that the movie had a lot of potential, but they were just juggling too much and kept dropping the balls. Huff. A poor showing from the best of the best. Also, 1:37 Anilist supremacy
Thanks! I really appreciate the support. Also yeah, it’s a bit of a mess. When you eventually do get to hibike I’d keep this in mind so you aren’t too disappointed lol
After knowing from your video and LN readers that this movie covers the whole year 2 arc, now I understand why the movie feels "meh" to me even though I absolutely love S1 and S2. I also understand now why the LN readers are complaining about how they butchered the LN. S3 should be better though!
I remember my immediate reaction after watching this movie was damn this really should've been a full anime season bc the pacing is wack af. I was even on some copium hoping maybe kyoani will do what ufotable did with the kny movie, making it into an anime as well. At least the music for their performance is lit I still listen to it every now and then
Ironically, I think the full length performance was a great choice for the movie. If the rest of the movie is going to be an unfocused mess anyway I at least want a good performance lol.
I still enjoyed it but lot could be improved by this movie just..... being longer. lmao Though I completely disagree the 9 minute performance being a bad thing. it was really nice to listen to, especially the third act
Yeah the movie was rushed and I didn't like it as much as the rest of the stuff but man, Liz and the blue bird was pure cinematic perfection. It felt like the final sound movie was cashing in on my attachment to the series while Liz was a love letter to what made the series so good while injecting its own style and grace.
i was also pretty disappointed by this movie, they tried to do too much in it. I would've preferred less focus on petty drama. Thankfully season 3 has been pretty good so far.
It's not an awful movie by any means but it's definitely rushed. My biggest worry now is how will the upcoming season 3 handle the few story beats that this season 2 failed to set up. I read through the book this movie covered, and from what I remember there were a few ways that the movie differed from the book due to how rushed it is: Spoilers if you care about the book's reveals (only the books that Chikai No Finale adapted)... Motomu actually has a reason for hating it when people call him by his name. He's got daddy issues and his dad is the well-respected band coach Gen-Chan Sensei, who helped his high school surpass Kitauji at the Kyoto Competition. Characters like Kanade and Midori pay enough attention to the musical community that they know he is Gen-Chan's son, which is why Kanade makes fun of him, and why Midori is so protective of him. (Her not sharing this fact with others or making fun of him is why Motomu has so much respect for Midori.) Kanade is kind of a strange mix of two book characters! One was... Kanade, and the other was a new trumpet player who was talented but suffered from a lack of confidence due to the backstory where she messed up a solo in middle school (I believe that's how it went). They removed the new trumpet player from the cast and folded her backstory and lack of confidence onto Kanade. I can kind of understand why they did it, I don't think either the trumpet player or Kanade are particularly compelling in the book. Still, if the final book that season 3 is based on features this trumpet player heavily then that's a problem for KyoAni. Reina openly wonders about whether the story of Liz and Blue Bird also applies to her relationship with Kumiko. The anime spent a grand total of like, five seconds to show this. Oumae Kumiko plays a noticeable role in resolving the relationship between Mizore and Nozomi, but Liz and the Blue Bird had already adapted that section of the book into its own movie. Still, in general one of the subplots throughout the book is of Kumiko Oumae getting better at resolving the social issues between people, like how she did between Nozomi and Mizore. She gets a lot of respect from other band members because of this, and is ultimately chosen to be president. She breaks up with Shuuichi after she accepts the presidency. There are other character moments that didn't make their way into the movie but that is the notable stuff that I can remember. It's unfortunate that some of these things like the Motomu characterization have the risk of potentially making season 3 more clunky.
great video as always tota! i love the movie because kanade (if it's not obvious enough), but yeah overall it's rushed and tried to show too many things in a short 90 runtime. also, please kyoani make final/decisive movement a proper adaptation i'm begging :(
Thank you! Kanade is great, and I hope to see her show up in later seasons/movies. I doubt kyoani would be willing to go back and re-tell year 2 but I have faith that they'll knock the third one out of the park
I wonder if KyoAni should’ve focused solely on the relationship between Kumiko and Kanade and removed the other 3 annoying first years for a better fleshed out story in the time constraints they have
