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The WW2 Truth Russia Wanted to Keep Secret 

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For decades after it happened, Operation Mars would be taught in Soviet History books as a brilliant and effective diversion scheme that masterfully deceived the Germans.
The official story claimed that Operation Uranus, the ambitious Soviet thrust to encircle Stalingrad, was the cornerstone of the Red Army's offensive, while operation Mars was merely a secondary diversion assault aimed at keeping the Germans near Rzhev from reinforcing the embattled city.
But as Operation Uranus unfolded, the Soviets launched a second pincer maneuver on a salient located in the northern town of Rzhev.
The tumultuous assault kept the German 9th Army engaged, leading a desperate defensive effort and prohibiting the soldiers from reinforcing their comrades in Stalingrad as they were being besieged.
Nevertheless, another version of the events would emerge five decades later, portraying Operation Mars not as a clever distraction that fooled the German armies but as a massive, botched assault aimed to be even more significant than Uranus.
The operation was filled with reckless actions and appalling mistakes that would lead to one of the most ruinous Soviet defeats in the war, earning the name of "The Rzhev Meat Grinder"…
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Комментарии : 621   
@Knapweed
@Knapweed Год назад
"Never interrupt your enemy when he's making a mistake".
@gracemanock2471
@gracemanock2471 Год назад
Napoleon at Waterloo?
@Knapweed
@Knapweed Год назад
@@gracemanock2471 Oui, monsieur! 😁
@runlarryrun77
@runlarryrun77 Год назад
@@gracemanock2471 Originally Tsun Tzu, but Napoleon also said it.
@seancooney297
@seancooney297 Год назад
Bad manners
@TheRealBatCave
@TheRealBatCave Год назад
"Thats some wet azz puzzy" -Albert Einstein
@drmarkintexas-400
@drmarkintexas-400 Год назад
Thank you for sharing 🤗🙏🇺🇲
@nicksdinosforkids6001
@nicksdinosforkids6001 Год назад
Russian military success always goes hand in hand with mountains of their dead.
@spyder6423
@spyder6423 Год назад
The stories of Russia's crossing the river in Ukraine last year despite futile bombardment is a perfect example of this.
@COMANCHE3
@COMANCHE3 Год назад
😂😂😂😂😂😂
@abraham2172
@abraham2172 Год назад
The question is, could such tactics still work if used by todays russia, after decades of decline under putin, low birth rates, modern weapons etc.
@TheDickieP
@TheDickieP Год назад
@@abraham2172it would seem not
@michaelproctor8824
@michaelproctor8824 Год назад
Ukraine might find out.
@brianmccarthy5557
@brianmccarthy5557 Год назад
Thanks. Interesting and informative. German historians have been saying this for years. I remember Paul Carrell's books on the War in the East discussing this in the 1960's when I was a small boy.
@rainbowseeker5930
@rainbowseeker5930 Год назад
When we hear that the Soviets had 100.000 dead in the battle and several hundreds of their tanks knocked out, as opposed to the 40.000 casualties of the German defenders, we can see the reason why they lied for decades about this huge Red Army defeat.
@scorptech9041
@scorptech9041 Год назад
@@rainbowseeker5930 Nobody lies more than germans or french, making myths about russians doing human waves attacks and being defeated by the winter instead of russian/soviet army :) Butthurt "superior "westerners can't admit that they are outsmarted and outfought by russians every time, just like now in ukraine
@kylekirkpatrick1292
@kylekirkpatrick1292 Год назад
I really appreciate your videos. They are well done. One suggestion- the inclusion off occasional maps would be helpful.
@TheRealBatCave
@TheRealBatCave Год назад
2:02
@Guimcu
@Guimcu Год назад
@@TheRealBatCave lol
@Wallyworld30
@Wallyworld30 Год назад
Dark Docs half the time uses wrong clips for his topic you expect him to present maps? If you want battlefield movements and tactics check out the RU-vid channel "TIK" he has maps and order of battle and movements. If you watch a TIK video series about a WW2 battle you know more about that battle than 99% of the general public.
@thedude3291
@thedude3291 Год назад
@@Wallyworld30 I'm assuming your video uploads are superior? F off.
@Wallyworld30
@Wallyworld30 Год назад
@@thedude3291 I don't make a career on RU-vid if I did I would hold myself to these standards. I enjoy this channel enough to watch his content but like many others still get annoyed about the terrible video clips he uses when talking about a completely different battle.
@jonthebru
@jonthebru Год назад
It's amazing that we have all the film footage from the heat of battle from all sides. The cameramen really deserve some credit for their bravery and professionalism.
@chadhaire1711
@chadhaire1711 Год назад
a lot of these films were staged....not real fighting...and most of what we see here has nothing to do with Russia...lots of film is from France in 1944!
@BlackMan614
@BlackMan614 Год назад
@@chadhaire1711 Russian, yes. German, sometimes. They had embedded propaganda camera groups in several divisions. Now... were they from actual frontline action? Rarely. As an example, only one photo exists of a massed human assault wave you read about in all of the history books (especially those written by ex-german generals). So did they actually happen?
@Wallyworld30
@Wallyworld30 Год назад
@@chadhaire1711 This channel will use out of place clips for his video's. Wrong plane wrong army wrong country. As long as it's WW2 close enough for Dark Docs.
@thedude3291
@thedude3291 Год назад
@@Wallyworld30 And there you go again. Complaining. You must be a lonely little fella.
@polskie135
@polskie135 Год назад
@@Wallyworld30 That's why there is a disclaimer.
@stevecastro1325
@stevecastro1325 Год назад
Thanks again for shining a light on this nearly forgotten/misremembered event!
@luongo7886
@luongo7886 Год назад
Your war videos are awesome as always. May I give you some constructive criticism? Please include maps of the battlefield along with arrows of attack and lines of defense. That way, we can better relate to the battle and how the two sides interacted during the event. Thank you.
@StoriesByPenguin
@StoriesByPenguin Год назад
Yes please.
@dragospeta3812
@dragospeta3812 Год назад
Send monney ! You'll get the maps ! I suppose it's all about editing costs. For maps... please : Watch Eastory in English. Watch Soviet Storm... in Eglish ... good enough even for TIK. Watch TIK RU-vid channel.
@markstott6689
@markstott6689 Год назад
Definitely, please.
@ryanwalsworth9119
@ryanwalsworth9119 Год назад
Ditto what he said!!
@Mackowitz
@Mackowitz Год назад
I was thinking the same thing
@michaeldean1289
@michaeldean1289 Год назад
Thanks for sharing another great story on an often overlooked piece of eastern front history ❤
@jackzimmer6553
@jackzimmer6553 Год назад
Thanks for sharing this story about Operation Mars. I wasn’t familiar with it so it’s time to do some additional homework!
@reagandow850
@reagandow850 Год назад
WTF is “operation ur-in-iz” ? 😂😂😂😂😂
@stephenkalatucka6213
@stephenkalatucka6213 Год назад
Check out TIK for WW2 history.
@RandyTerrell7174
@RandyTerrell7174 Год назад
Always the best content and the narration!
@kennethobrien6537
@kennethobrien6537 Год назад
From the same ppl that do dark skies? This content isn't even fact checked.
@vvr881
@vvr881 Год назад
@@kennethobrien6537 it's U Tube...its entertainment
@nataliegrn17
@nataliegrn17 Год назад
They're excellent starting points to tell many people about important events, and can be used as a launching point to start research.
@BlutUndEhre88
@BlutUndEhre88 Год назад
@@vvr881 so one watches documentaries for "entertainment" and not for information now?
@vvr881
@vvr881 Год назад
@@BlutUndEhre88 well u don't get it on U Tube. Try reading and going to archives
@bman6065
@bman6065 Год назад
The ghosts of Caesar, Alexander the Great, and Napoleon observed a military parade in Red square. Caesar said if I had Soviet planes I could conquer the world. Alexander said if I had Soviet tanks I'd be invincible. Napoleon said if I had Pravda the world would've never heard about Waterloo.
@amazingfantasy7879
@amazingfantasy7879 Год назад
Source please?
@arkangelnorthman
@arkangelnorthman Год назад
@@amazingfantasy7879 😅🤣😂
@bman6065
@bman6065 Год назад
@@amazingfantasy7879 I'm sure it's somewhere nestled away in the Reagan archives I actually just googled Soviet jokes and this was the best one. For such a historically repressed people their sense of humor remained intact.
@jeromedavid7944
@jeromedavid7944 Год назад
And then they encountered the Mujahadeen and then the Ukrainian soldier......All the conquerers mentioned where unnoble leaders that were motivated by greed and inhumane land(grösse lebenraum) grabs without concern for collateral damage or indecent inhumanities. All were doomed for eventual demises that were poetic justice as the Great Alexander slaughter armys as far as the human eye can see succumbed to an invisible bug! The man whose men followed him half way around the world and conquered it for Roman, also had men that stabbed him in the back literally! And finally the little General who had not one but two chances to be the greatest French leader in history but justifiably became it's scape goat on Elba and dies a lonely, bitter, and regretful sorry ass end that he and everyone who thinks they can rule the world deserve! Z NVYOM ROKOM! SLAVA UKRAINI 🇺🇦!!!
@bman6065
@bman6065 Год назад
@@jeromedavid7944 that run on was epic
@blacksquirrel4008
@blacksquirrel4008 Год назад
Thank you for telling this story. It would have been even better with some maps to back up your narrative.
@scothayes9220
@scothayes9220 Год назад
Another great presentation of the history of WW2 combat. Dark Docs is quickly becoming me favorite source of historical view. Thank you for your hard work and I look forward to more. BTW the narrating voice is easy on the ear and straight forward with little pause for criticism that could deviate from the topic.
@rosesprog1722
@rosesprog1722 Год назад
Great, a chapter I knew nothing about. Your research, analysis and objectivity make for an inspiring and satisfying experiemce, thank you.
@BRANFED
@BRANFED Год назад
impressed that most the video clips appear to match the time frame and situation discussed in the video...a rarity for some of the video's by dark docs or related channels
@guidor.4161
@guidor.4161 Год назад
Some do...there were no Kingtigers in 1942 though...
@BRANFED
@BRANFED Год назад
@@guidor.4161 also no stg 44.. that archived footage was taken from the ardennes offensive i believe hey i said most.. lol.better than the one about an m3 stuart w/o ANY footage of the m3 stuart other than a very short image
@guidor.4161
@guidor.4161 Год назад
@@BRANFED Lets agree on more than average, i.e. 5% LOL
@BRANFED
@BRANFED Год назад
@@guidor.4161 agreed.. lol
@stevenhoman2253
@stevenhoman2253 Год назад
In my experience, an extreme rarity. With weapons and aircraft and even soldiers often so mismatched historically, they may as well be scenes from the Battle of little big horn, overlaid on the bombing of Ploesti. The first time I raised the matter years ago, I was attacked by vicious channel supporters??
@polka23dot70
@polka23dot70 Год назад
You cannot describe a battle without a map.
@davidearea242
@davidearea242 Год назад
polka23dot - Well, he just did... 🤷‍♂
@sabre22b
@sabre22b Год назад
LOL you remind me of a friendly Sgt 'b'. Although he was screaming it. For no reason whatsoever. The man was a dick. An utter waste of a perfectly good uniform. And then there was the fun of carrying little coloured ribbons and plastic markers around. During combat. In the rain. At freezing.
@d540vamartin9
@d540vamartin9 Год назад
It was dis big!!!
@GordonjSmith1
@GordonjSmith1 Год назад
In hindsight it is not always easy to understand 'intent', but 'outcomes' are rather easier to identify.
@JTA1961
@JTA1961 Год назад
That would also look good in "'French"'
@kellik5453
@kellik5453 Год назад
I'm loving these ~10 minute history snippets. If World History wasn't a 2 hour class, I would have payed attention in school!
@cascadianrangers728
@cascadianrangers728 Год назад
Love all the kv1 footage, 10/10, would ride
@XD152awesomeness
@XD152awesomeness Год назад
Günther von Kluge was an interesting person to read about.
@M1945
@M1945 Год назад
I like your stuff, respect
@JPriz416
@JPriz416 Год назад
The one thing Russia had that Germany didn't was a massive manpower advantage.
@hpholland
@hpholland Год назад
They had 14 million trained reservists, and were less industrialized than Germany (which meant more men for fighting vs working)
@stephen4121
@stephen4121 Год назад
Russia also had a vastly larger territory to defend. The human waves of Red Army against a much smaller German professional army thing was a myth created by German commanders to excuse getting kerb stomped. There were similar numbers deployed on the eastern front for most of the conflict. At key moments the Red Army had massive local superiorities, but that was because they got their act together and frankly out generalled the Germans. Bagration was possibly the best organised and executed offensive of the war.
@notthefbi7932
@notthefbi7932 Год назад
Russia has never had a problem sacrificing men for "victory". There tactics haven't changed much in centuries. Just keep sending wave after wave until you run out of men or the enemy runs out of ammo 😬
@chicagopunditwhohasabrain4808
@@stephen4121 You are joking right? Maybe at the start of Barbarossa the numbers were very much similar to each other. From August 41’ to Soviets fighting in streets of Berlin. Germans were outmanned, outgunned, logistic numbers everything from Armor vehicles, to Motorized Trucks, to US sending 2,000 Locomotives and about 11,000 rail cars that equaled to 92% of the Soviets Railroad equipment and locomotives. By 1945 a third of the Soviets trucks were American Built. I can keep going on. The list is long. USA was only reason Soviets were able to maintain its position in the war. Zhukov said it himself. So let’s back the statement up about numbers being somewhat even throughout the eastern front. What the Germans did in the time with Barbarossa is the greatest feat in history. Yes it was a failure, but it was a campaign to conquer the Soviet Union. Bagration was an offensive. From the time of the Sixth Army’s surrender to end of the war. In which Germany was waging a defensive war on Eastern Front. What the Germans were able to inflict on the Soviets despite all odds stacked against them. Tells you everything you need to know. About the Germans. It took the whole world to take down one nation (Germany). Remember that
@josephgallacher3729
@josephgallacher3729 Год назад
When the Red Army stopped Nazi^s outside Moscow Stalin was asked how he would defeat them and expel them from Western Russia he said ^........we will Bury them with Russian dead^ and they did, 4 Mil dead Germans and 14 Mil dead Russians.
@lllPlatinumlll
@lllPlatinumlll Год назад
Bitter experiences. One does not learn experiences one learns lessons.
@specter3983
@specter3983 Год назад
And how not to repeat bad ones
@brianclingenpeel5123
@brianclingenpeel5123 Год назад
After reading the title to this, all I could think is "it could be ANYTHING" . The red's have done so many horrible and unspeaking things that the list is SO much longer than I wish it was.
@oldegrunt
@oldegrunt Год назад
David M. Glantz's deeply researched book Zhukov's Greatest Defeat came out in 1999 on this campaign. Incredible book w/minute maps on the actions down often to company level.
@alitlweird
@alitlweird Год назад
Thank you and God bless you for properly pronouncing the name of the seventh planet. 🙏
@bruceleealmighty
@bruceleealmighty Год назад
Numbers alone don't win wars but, it does help that the opposing forces have to put so much into fighting the numbers that resources lag in other locations.
@askmaxim
@askmaxim Год назад
thank you for your awesome efforts!
@9thGenerationCajun
@9thGenerationCajun Год назад
RU-vid needs to take the scam commercial down about the "$5,200 Healthcare Stimulus " Don't be dumb & give a third party website your SS#
@steventhompson399
@steventhompson399 Год назад
David glantz had a neat book about this, I read it around a decade ago, called "zhukovs greatest defeat"
@climbslc2281
@climbslc2281 Год назад
I would love to see some stories about the current Soviet bungles in Ukraine. Seems like they have't lost their (lack of) touch. Great to have such detailed analysis of what is now the distant past. It would be perhaps more meaningful to detail the fresh "darkness" that we are immersed in now.
@TheDickieP
@TheDickieP Год назад
Have a look at Perun, he’s also really good
@lloydchristmas1086
@lloydchristmas1086 Год назад
*current soviet* 🤣
@kellik5453
@kellik5453 Год назад
@@lloydchristmas1086 I read right over that! LOL!
@mollyy.mollyy
@mollyy.mollyy Год назад
i’m high as balls rn watching this at work on my break and this shit is so intense my brotha god damn these videos are sick love them
@myboysd5772
@myboysd5772 Год назад
Hope you aint working anywhere where you can be a hazard to other people
@baked73
@baked73 Год назад
they be mad interesting when u faded bro
@senorpepper3405
@senorpepper3405 Год назад
Gae!
@jzimmerman284
@jzimmerman284 Год назад
@@baked73 real shit
@dorseyblack9833
@dorseyblack9833 Год назад
Excellent narrative of real events uncovering Soviet tomfoolery.
@martyn6792
@martyn6792 Год назад
The casualty numbers are staggering
@01karmacop
@01karmacop Год назад
You always do a great vid after watching one its binge time with lots of bowls watching from Scotland peace and love to all
@stevecam724
@stevecam724 Год назад
Balck and the 11th Panzer Division saved so many German forces. He thwarted the Russians at every stage on the Chir River.
@Nnnuvolari
@Nnnuvolari Год назад
Yes. Balck and the 11th PzDiv. prevented the collapse of the whole Southern Front. I guess you have read that defensive battle in detail. The more you know about it the more you are in awe at what these guys achieved.
@thomasgumersell9607
@thomasgumersell9607 Год назад
Informative video on a controversial battle. The looses suffered by the Soviet Union in both men and machinery. This was a battle that went down in history as a German victory.💪🏻🙏🏻✨
@Дмитрий_Тихомиров
And what are you happy about? The victory of the Nazis? Are you a fool or a Nazi? И чему вы радуетесь? Победе нацистов? Вы дурак или нацист?
@theBEASTisJJ
@theBEASTisJJ Год назад
German victory 💪🏻 ✌🏻 ✨ Deutschland Uber Alles 🇩🇪 🇺🇸
@thomasgumersell9607
@thomasgumersell9607 Год назад
@@Дмитрий_Тихомиров I never said I was happy ? I watched this video and agreed it was a loss for the Soviet forces. I am from England originally and my immediate family fought against the Germans and Axis forces in WW2. My late Father RIP was born in June 1921. The outbreak of WW2 my Dad just had turned 18 yrs old. He immediately signed up with the British Eighth Army and was gone until 1946. One served the duration of the war plus 6 months. My late Mother Born Dec 1925 signed up as a Wireless Operator for the British Army in 1943. Her Father my Grandfather was a Warrant Officer in WW1. His name was John Edington OBE, MBE. Who in WW2 worked for MI6. So I definetly have a strong family history of fighting the Nazi regime. My comment only stated a fact that the Germans were victorious in this particular battle. I don't particularly like how you stated what you did about my comment. I only stated the truth about one battle in WW2. 💪🏻🙏🏻✨
@masterbalay
@masterbalay Год назад
The Soviet Union managed to defeat the Nazis. They cleared Europe with German and Axis forces. If you say that the Soviet Union has more forces but they are not so modern and well trained. This is directly proportional to the Germans. A 1 German soldier is equivalent to 2 Soviet soldiers. That is why you see many casualties in the Soviet side. But apart from it, the bravery and determination plus strategies helped win the war for the Soviets.
@garywheeler7039
@garywheeler7039 Год назад
One small complaint, the German losses were listed as "causalities" and only included one number. I assume that the term included wounded, killed, captured, sick and so on. Can that be verified, can we estimate the number of Germans killed in operation Mars I wonder.
@kek7320
@kek7320 Год назад
What that through paper clip effectively regrouped arguably and never went away
@authorknown1623
@authorknown1623 Год назад
Russians unwilling to face the truth? ....and the beat goes on......
@danielgreen3715
@danielgreen3715 Год назад
Mars was the Red Army's first real attempt at Movement warfare in an attempt to counter the Whermachts Advances
@Waldemarvonanhalt
@Waldemarvonanhalt Год назад
For those wondering, most of the footage in this video is from the 1941 documentary, "Moscow Strikes Back".
@alanfike
@alanfike Год назад
For those wondering like I was, Rzhev is located West of Moscow, roughly in center between Moscow and the border with Belarus. Also, it's spelled Rzhev.
@zach11241
@zach11241 Год назад
No. It is spelled it.
@ulrichbehnke9656
@ulrichbehnke9656 Год назад
The german propaganda spelled it wrong „Resch“. Correctly spelled it sounds like: „Scheb“
@cheyennereynoso4116
@cheyennereynoso4116 Год назад
This footage is incredible
@garywheeler7039
@garywheeler7039 Год назад
I think he has memorized many of the clips. Some are actually from battle of the Bulge, but still woven into the current story quite well.
@ernestcote3398
@ernestcote3398 Год назад
I've been reading Glantz's Stalingrad trilogy for a year (it's SO dry). The Germans won just about every encounter but for Stalingrad, yet that one loss cost the war. IMHO, Germany went to war against an empty shell that solidified once the German "bias" was determined. Better the Devil you know then the one you don't and both Stalin and Hitler were devils.
@silentumexcubitor6747
@silentumexcubitor6747 Год назад
Nazism, AND Communism, are BOTH CREATIONS of the Global Ruling Elites, & Global Banksters....as was America....
@JohnSmith-gd2fg
@JohnSmith-gd2fg Год назад
The Germans lost for numerous reasons, Stalingrad is not necessarily one of them. They also lost huge numbers of troops in Africa, when Tunisia was captured. Lack of manpower and limited strategic resources (like oil), meant that at an economic level they were always going to be in trouble once the USA entered the war.
@silentumexcubitor6747
@silentumexcubitor6747 Год назад
@@JohnSmith-gd2fg disagree! Germany kept ground troops out of Stalingrad, while they bombed it into rubble, -ideal for defenders. Thus, they failed to take Stalingrad, and incurred irreplaceable losses. Stalingrad was only 1 of several deliberate failures Hitler personally oversaw....which added up to Germany's overall "failure". Thus, postwar, Nazis were taken to Russia, the U.S. in Project Paperclip, and escaped to Ukraine. All leading to the current false-flag conflict around Crimea & the Black Sea.....
@jrmagallanes4219
@jrmagallanes4219 Год назад
how to be a marksman: shoot first... anything you hit call it the target
@BillyBob-wq9fl
@BillyBob-wq9fl Год назад
Anyone runnin is a V.C…. Anyone standin still is a well disciplined V.C..
@garywheeler7039
@garywheeler7039 Год назад
@@BillyBob-wq9fl Too true!
@JohnSmith-gd2fg
@JohnSmith-gd2fg Год назад
Russia still doing this in Ukraine. Hit an apartment block or hospital? Call it a barracks or command centre. Hit a shopping centre? Call it a warehouse for weapons. And so on.
@whiskey_tango_foxtrot__
@whiskey_tango_foxtrot__ Год назад
Model was an excellent General that no one has heard of...
@marchellochiovelli7259
@marchellochiovelli7259 Год назад
Not heard of, just belittled and ignored because the victors choose to do so. Zhukov was wasteful and overrated. Stalin should have purged his ass while he had him in his sights.
@ChrisWizzerd
@ChrisWizzerd Год назад
Love your vids bro
@kennethobrien6537
@kennethobrien6537 Год назад
Are you kidding? So many errors!
@ChrisWizzerd
@ChrisWizzerd Год назад
@@kennethobrien6537 ...Soo... What videos did you post??
@joelex7966
@joelex7966 Год назад
This perfectly illustrates the difference between having Paulus in charge and not having Paulus in charge.
@scribebat
@scribebat Год назад
Love your channel, usually watch each all the way through but RU-vid content is increasingly getting run over by annoying RU-vid commercials. When their adds cut in, i close the tab. From the theme song from MASH, "...and you can do the same thing if you please."
@henrikg1388
@henrikg1388 Год назад
These operations, from a Russian perspective, were actually insignificant if it hadn't been for the massive amounts of lend-lease aid they got from the USA, mainly food, fuel and trucks. Without it, they would have "lost" or forced to make peace anyway, with or without Zhukov or anyone else.
@secutecheood4601
@secutecheood4601 Год назад
For your information till the time of the battle the so called "massive amounts of lend-lease aid" for 1941 and 1942 was only 15% of the total lend-lease amount. Actually the deliveries started after it was obvious the Hitler was losing the war.
@henrikg1388
@henrikg1388 Год назад
​@@secutecheood4601 I don't need to read up on anything. You do. Stalin's War by Sean McMeekin states clearly from archival sources that the Soviet Union would have starved themselves into submission, including the military, already by the summer of 42, without all the SPAM they received. They didn't produce nearly enough food by themselves and Germany was in control of the Ukraine. And that is just the food. Whether those percentages may be true because it escalated to abnormous levels later, is besides the point.
@TheRogueEmpire
@TheRogueEmpire Год назад
@@secutecheood4601 "so called" man, your brainwashed.
@TheYeti308
@TheYeti308 Год назад
No matter what , you had to get ivan to come out and play .
@peaceturtleinfinity
@peaceturtleinfinity Год назад
I like these videos because they are like…bite sized morsels. Just the right length and amount of info.
@hotelpro8285
@hotelpro8285 Год назад
I'm so glad that you discover The Secret.
@bennyboogenheimer4553
@bennyboogenheimer4553 Год назад
So 30,000 Germans against 1,300,000 fresh Russians troops. I'ld be embarrassed too.
@firstname2853
@firstname2853 Год назад
Man you just gotta love a bit of dark docs perfect to put on in the evening after work spot on bruv
@dmvamos
@dmvamos Год назад
Interesting to hear about it. A correction: the term is "thorn in the side" not on the side
@Norman_Fleming
@Norman_Fleming Год назад
Repeat after me "Any loss is a feint to draw out the enemy, or blah blah blah" The more things change... Seeing information on the other end of the war is always enlightening. Thanks for catching the spelling error @nedludd7622
@nedludd7622
@nedludd7622 Год назад
"feint". No reason to repeat after you.
@manowa3395
@manowa3395 Год назад
@@nedludd7622 he credited you lol
@skelejp9982
@skelejp9982 Год назад
Rzhev. aka The Meatgrinder Some German Soldiers had to cry, watching Soviet prisoner battalions getting blown up, after being forced to walk hand in hand, to clear German minefields. When they ran out of men, the Soviets send in cows. Try to fully deplete German ammo, was a simple tactic to gain advantage, by sending in wave after wave. Because the Soviets constantly kept attacking at Rzhev, the Germans were not able to send reinforcements to Stalingrad. While also putting extreme pressure on German east front logistics. Logistics that were already facing huge troubles, because of constant Partisan sabotages and attacks, on trains, railways, depots etc., far behind the frontline. The poem "I'm killed near Rzhev" was written by the famous poet A. T. Twardovsky in 1945-46. It has a tragic real basis. I WAS KILLED NEAR RZHEV I was killed near Rzhev In a nameless bog, In fifth company, On the Left flank, In a cruel air raid I didn’t hear explosions And did not see the flash Down to an abyss from a cliff No start, no end And in this whole world To the end of its days - Neither patches, nor badges From my tunic you’ll find I am where the blind roots Seek for food in the dark I am where the rye waves On a hill in the dust I am where the cockerel cries In the dew of the dawn I am where your cars Tear the air on highways Where - small stalk to small stalk - River’s weaving its grass Where for the remembrance Even my mother won’t come In a bitter year’s summer I was killed. And for me Neither news nor bulletins Will come after this day Would you, the living, count How long before that For the first time in front news They named Stalingrad The front burned without stopping Like a scab on the flesh I was killed and I don’t know Is Rzhev ours at last? Have ours held their ground There, on the Middle Don? This was the month of horror Everything was at stake Could it be that by autumn He already took Don? And he broke through to Volga Riding onto its bank? No, it’s not true! That mission He could never complete. No way I say, no! Even for the dead It would be too terrible to hear Even the dead and voiceless Have one last single joy We have fallen for the Motherland But it’s finally saved. Our eyes have faded Out is the flame of our hearts And up there, at roll calls They are not calling us. We’re like bumps or stones Even darker and dumber. Our memory eternal - Who is jealous to it? Our ashes are rightfully Owned by black earth Our eternal glory Is of little delight. We shall not wear our Battle awards This is all for you, the living, We have just one last joy That we didn’t fight in vain For our Motherland Let our voice be inaudible You’ve got to know it now. And you had to, my brothers, Stand fast like a wall For the curse of the dead Is a terrible wrath We are forever given This bitter right And it is forever ours This bitter right In the summer of forty-two I was buried without a grave Everything what came later Was taken by the death All, what has been for many So clear and common But then may it all be In accord with our belief Brothers, maybe you didn’t Lose the Don battlefield only And were dying in battles Fighting behind Moscow And in steppes behind Volga Dug your trenches in haste And in battles you marched To the limits of Europe For us it would suffice To know for sure There was that last inch On the road of war - That very last inch: If it is abandoned, There’s nowhere to put The foot that had stepped behind And you drove the enemy Back to the West May it be so, my brethren And Smolensk’s now ours And you’re crushing the enemy On the other front, And maybe it’s the border Your are nearing now? May it be… Let the holy oath’s Words be fulfilled : For Berlin, if you remember Was named near Moscow Brothers, who now trample The stronghold of enemy land If the dead and the fallen Could only cry! If only victory salvoes could Resurrect us for an instant, Us, deaf and numb, Us, who rest in eternity O, my faithful comrades, Only then at this war Your limitless happiness You would realise! In this happiness there is Our inalienable part, Our, severed by the death, Faith and hatred and passion. All is ours! We did not cheat, In this cruel fight, We have given all ours And left nothing to ourselves Everything is bequeathed to you For all time, not for a term And this mental voice of ours Is no reproach to the living. For we had no distinction In this war at all: Those living and those fallen - We were all equal. And no one of the living Is indebted to us Those, who took up the colours From us on the run Only to fall one step later For the holy cause, For the Soviet power, Like all of us. I was killed at Rzhev, And he - somewhere near Moscow… Where are you, warriors, where, Is there anyone alive?! In the million-large cities In the villages, at family homes? At the military garrisons, On a foreign land? Ah, does it really matter If it’s foreign or ours If it’s snow-covered or blossoming… I bequeath you to live - What more can I do? I bequeath you to be happy In your life over there And to serve your Motherland With honour for long. When in sorrow - be proud, Do not bend down your head When rejoicing - don’t boast In the victory hour. And to safeguard, brothers, this victory, The happiness of yours, - In the memory of your warrior-brother Who has fallen for it.
@Tordogor
@Tordogor Год назад
Why no maps? At least, maps would improve the understanding of how operations developed. Instead, only unrelated images to the Operation Mars are shown.
@moistmike4150
@moistmike4150 Год назад
Almost unbelievable how the Red Army could take such horrendous losses, yet still eventually gain the strategic advantage. What a horrific war.
@Bsquaredplus2
@Bsquaredplus2 Год назад
Horrific war, yes, but it was also horrible military planning on behalf of the soviet leadership. Rather than use tactics, they used numbers to overwhelm the enemy. Russia's pre-war population was roughly 200,000,000 so they had a giant pool of manpower to pull from.
@Bsquaredplus2
@Bsquaredplus2 Год назад
Germany had around 13.6m soldiers over the course of the war compared to around 34m in Russia. There was simply no way Russia could lose with that numeric superiority and the US lend/lease program providing them with vehicles and supplies.
@mikewingert-savagelyerudite
It’s all mind over matter….the Russian generals don’t mind and their soldiers don’t matter…..the same in Ukraine today…😂
@michaelarmbruster586
@michaelarmbruster586 Год назад
Thanks. More info than I've had other than just a name
@jacobhowerton3379
@jacobhowerton3379 Год назад
In war the truth is the first causality
@hansweissmann_xviii6754
@hansweissmann_xviii6754 Год назад
That picture with the guy on his skis depicts a German guy as he has a Schmeisser around his neck.
@jankutac9753
@jankutac9753 7 месяцев назад
But what do you say to this: Just discovered it in Anthony Beevor's book. "Although Zhukov was responsible for supervising this operation as a Stavka representative, he devoted far more time to planning Uranus than Mars. Zhukov spent the first nineteen days in Moscow, just eight and a half days on the Kalinin sector of the front, and no fewer than fifty-two days on the Stalingrad axis. This alone indicates that Mars was an ancillary operation, despite its deployment of six armies."
@americanpatriot2422
@americanpatriot2422 Год назад
Outstanding video and presentation.
@Arthur-tx8fd
@Arthur-tx8fd Год назад
The first I've learned about Mars...thank you for the research put.into this..
@Stray1One
@Stray1One Год назад
Cheers man,
@benjaminrush4443
@benjaminrush4443 Год назад
Good One. Thanks.
@Seyfudin
@Seyfudin Год назад
This was already published in 1994 by Viktor Suvorov in "Tyen Pobeby" - "Zhukov: The Shadow of Victory", five years before Glance while it was still classified.
@ΣτεφανοςΣυκουτρης
I watch all your channels and I enjoy your content. Mars was the God of War tracing to Ancient Greece
@notthefbi7932
@notthefbi7932 Год назад
Russian's don't lose,they just change the story 🤫
@christianvik3400
@christianvik3400 Год назад
A so big Soviet Russian offensive was no diversion, that's for sure. They failed, big time, but tried to conseal it afterwards. Classic behavior from them.
@ramonzzzz
@ramonzzzz Год назад
Minor pronunciation correction: The Marshal's name is pronounced not Zu-kov, but ZHu-kov.
@attila7092
@attila7092 Год назад
The Rzhev salient was defended by all German troops. Does that tell you something?
@rainbowseeker5930
@rainbowseeker5930 Год назад
No... Do you mean to point out that there were no other Axis troops involved in the battle ?
@gilbertvega4012
@gilbertvega4012 Год назад
Love your videos very informative and clarity thank you
@Malinski66
@Malinski66 Год назад
dark thinking - yet the nature of attrition warfare means giving up more of your forces in order to 'wear down' your opponent something that the Russians and Soviets fully understand
@jiritichy7967
@jiritichy7967 Год назад
Regardless of the controversy, the conclusions clearly show the ultimate success at Stalingrad.
@NN-sj9fg
@NN-sj9fg Год назад
WW2 Truth Russia Wanted to Keep Secret - without massive loses in the allied delivery of material (mostly from the US) to Murmansk, it is questionable if the Red Army would have been able to continue fighting.
@ineshvaladolenc6559
@ineshvaladolenc6559 Год назад
This is false. Yes, the American lend-lease no doubt contributed to the Soviet war effort, but in reality only around 3% of total Soviet equipment used was American. Additionally most of the aid started pouring in only after Stalingrad, that is, after the tide already turned. They would have been fine and yes, indeed, won without it. Albeit with bigger casualties and perhaps taking longer. But win they would. As they have. Britain on the other hand...
@JDDC-tq7qm
@JDDC-tq7qm Год назад
@@ineshvaladolenc6559 Americans just want to take the glory from Russia because they destroyed most of Axis forces plus took Berlin
@tomhenry897
@tomhenry897 Год назад
It’s the truth
@10.huynhphathuy8
@10.huynhphathuy8 7 месяцев назад
classic ameritard trying to make themselves as important as possible in the eastern front, where was the lend lease during battle of Moscow, Kursk, Stalingrad, Operation Bagration huh? ameritard provide help too little too late, Perhaps stop learning history from McDonald
@pawelpap9
@pawelpap9 Год назад
This is not entirely correct. Rzhev meat grinder was a series of battles that started in January 1942 and lasted for 15 months. Operation Mars, which was one of the Rzhev battles, lasted all but a month starting in November 1942 and with some justification can be considered a diversionary operation, particularly that it ended with German victory.
@zeus-mt7wx
@zeus-mt7wx Год назад
Well the name of the assault says it all.
@gregstockton1156
@gregstockton1156 Год назад
The videos are great. One thing that can make them even better is by making sure that word pronunciations are correct, such as Uranus, typically pronounced with a long a.
@razor1uk610
@razor1uk610 Год назад
I think in the future Uranus will be renamed Urectum [Ure rek tum] to help stop [Ure ann uss] versus [Ure ran uss] debates.
@steveb6103
@steveb6103 Год назад
There are teams of people who look for the fallen. The Russians didn't care about their own dead. They were left were they fell.
@ursus9104
@ursus9104 Год назад
The Russians always fight in an Eastern state manner with mass armies, completely immune to the loss of their own human lives. Experiences from WW1, the Finnish Winter War, Stalingrad, Ukraine etc. show how to overwhelm the enemy like ants often with only small arms. A very costly tactic that is only possible in the absence of journalists and a free press that can analyze and report on the outcome of the battles.
@TheDavidlloydjones
@TheDavidlloydjones Год назад
A fine video (although I find the breathless voice of the narrator annoying) on a battle I had known nothing about. Here are two reports on it, both of which agree with this Dark Docs take, one Russian, the second the Glantz book on which the video is based: ####################################### The Rzhev Slaughterhouse: The Red Army's Forgotten 15-Month Campaign Against Army Group Center, 1942-1943 Paperback - March 22, 2016 by Svetlana Gerasimova (Author), Stuart Britton (Translator) Historians consider the Battle of Rzhev "one of the bloodiest in the history of the Great Patriotic War" and "Zhukov's greatest defeat". Veterans called this colossal battle, which continued for a total of 15 months, "the Rzhev slaughterhouse" or "the Massacre", while the German generals named this city "the cornerstone of the Eastern Front" and "the gateway to Berlin". By their territorial scale, number of participating troops, length and casualties, the military operations in the area of the Rzhev - Viaz'ma salient are not only comparable to the Stalingrad battle, but to a great extent surpass it. The total losses of the Red Army around Rzhev amounted to 2,000,000 men; the Wehrmacht's total losses are still unknown precisely to the present day. Why was one of the greatest battles of the Second World War consigned to oblivion in the Soviet Union? Why were the forces of the German Army Group Center in the Rzhev - Viaz'ma salient not encircled and destroyed? Whose fault is it that the German forces were able to withdraw from a pocket that was never fully sealed? Indeed, are there justifications for blaming this "lost victory" on G.K. Zhukov? In this book, which has been recognized in Russia as one of the best domestic studies of the Rzhev battle, answers to all these questions have been given. The author, Svetlana Gerasimova, has lived and worked amidst the still extant signs of this colossal battle, the tens of thousands of unmarked graves and the now silent bunkers and pillboxes, and has dedicated herself to the study of its history. ###################################### Zhukov's Greatest Defeat: The Red Army's Epic Disaster in Operation Mars, 1942 (Modern War Studies) Paperback - Illustrated, April 28, 1999 by David M. Glantz (Author) One of the least-known stories of World War II, Operation Mars was an epic military disaster. Designed to dislodge the German Army from its position west of Moscow, Mars cost the Soviets an estimated 335,000 dead, missing, and wounded men and over 1,600 tanks. But in Russian history books, it was a battle that never happened-a historical debacle sacrificed to Stalin's postwar censorship. David Glantz now offers the first definitive account of this forgotten catastrophe, revealing the key players and detailing the major events of Operation Mars. Using neglected sources in both German and Russian archives, he reconstructs the historical context of Mars and reviews the entire operation from High Command to platoon level. Orchestrated and led by Marshal Georgi Kostantinovich Zhukov, one of the Soviet Union's great military heroes, the twin operations Mars and Uranus formed the centerpiece of Soviet strategic efforts in the fall of 1942. Launched in tandem with Operation Uranus, the successful counteroffensive at Stalingrad, Mars proved a monumental setback. Fought in bad weather and on impossible terrain, the ambitious offensive faltered despite spectacular initial success in some sectors: Zhukov kept sending in more troops and tanks only to see them decimated by the entrenched Germans. Illuminating the painful progress of Operation Mars with vivid battle scenes and numerous maps and illustrations, Glantz presents Mars as a major failure of Zhukov's renowned command. Yet, both during and after the war, that failure was masked from public view by the successful Stalingrad operation, thus eliminating any stain from Zhukov's public image as a hero of the Great Patriotic War. For three grueling weeks, Operation Mars was one of the most tragic and agonizing episodes in Soviet military history. Glantz's reconstruction of that failed offensive fills a major gap in our knowledge of World War II, even as it raises important questions about the reputations of national military heroes.
@_Ladiesman217
@_Ladiesman217 Год назад
history is written by the victor
@damyr
@damyr Год назад
Good video. Tho, it's lacking maps. Even a rudimentary map, with the area and approximate troops placement, would help so much when visualizing a battle.
@seadragon2163
@seadragon2163 Год назад
I have a suggestion for another dark series... Dark Research and Dark Investigations.... Dark Research being focused on hidden and unknown research projects, doctors, and subjects while Dark Investigations focusing on strange and bizare investigations into local legends and lore and unsolved mysterious police/investigator reports. Let me know what you think or if this sounds a bit too much like the what youve got already
@adamlechmichalak2720
@adamlechmichalak2720 Год назад
Good video, but it lacks a map to show army movement
@yzzxxvv
@yzzxxvv Год назад
Shocking
@ggbel3320
@ggbel3320 Год назад
There should be a rule whenever a country goes to war the People who decide that should be the first on the Frontlines on both sides.
@deliezer
@deliezer Год назад
My understanding was that the Germans eventually withdrew, of their own accord, from Rzhev, in order to shorten the line, and to create reserves. But this happened *before* the operation that surrounded the Germans at Stalingrad, and it was thus withdrawal that allowed the Soviets to transfer the necessary forces to the Stalingrad theater.
@cynic777
@cynic777 Год назад
Was US lend lease a factor yet in this stage of the war?
@patrickfreeman8257
@patrickfreeman8257 Год назад
Interesting choice of words. An "ambitious Soviet THRUST" was called Uranus
@blueliesmatter2
@blueliesmatter2 Год назад
Poor choice of words may be why I didn't make full colonel. Following is a quote completely circled in red from my paper at the war college in Ft Leavenworth. " Comparing the failure at mars With two hard but misaimed thrusts , we look even deeper into Uranus" No computers back then, just an old brother word processor.
@patrickfreeman8257
@patrickfreeman8257 Год назад
@@blueliesmatter2 You had a word processor?!?! I remember hearing about those. From what I understand the Commodore 64 didn't offer a word processing feature. But, again, even the Commodore 64 was a rumor in my neighborhood
@alexmurrayholmes
@alexmurrayholmes Год назад
Operation Uranus, the ambitious soviet thrust...
@Mike-tg7dj
@Mike-tg7dj Год назад
Interesting, when describing tanks destroyed you showed an image at like the 12:15 minute mark. It is a photo of a destroyed M-4 Sherman medium tank. I wonder what the Russians thought about the M-4 Sherman?
@Uranium-ko1hu
@Uranium-ko1hu Год назад
Actually the Soviets used the M4 Sherman in the Second World War due to the “Lend Least” between the Soviets and Western Allies. As for what the Soviets thought of the Sherman I cannot say anything for sure because I’ve not read much about the Sherman in Soviet usage, however I would imagine they put the Sherman’s to use like what they did for all their other tanks as well.
@kiwifruit27
@kiwifruit27 Год назад
They had a whole army corps of them. The US sent huge amounts to the USSR
@stephen4121
@stephen4121 Год назад
@@kiwifruit27 huge by the standards of the western front maybe. It was negligible in the context of the eastern front though. But then to be honest the western front was a sideshow in comparison the the east (over 80% of Axis forces were facing the USSR from 1941 onwards and over 80% of their casualties were suffered there)
@derduebel
@derduebel Год назад
@@stephen4121 Without the USA, the USSR would not have existed anymore.
@Faisaldeepblue
@Faisaldeepblue Год назад
So OP. Mars was Zugov's greatest failure while Uranus was his greatest success?
@Дмитрий_Тихомиров
Who is Zugov? Do you mean Zhukov? Кто такой Zugov? Вы имеете в виду Жукова (Zhukov)?
@carolecarr5210
@carolecarr5210 Год назад
I had no idea, "border wars",, ya learn something every day. I thought U referred to the Kamchatka pennisula, wrong again Carole, lol.
@seanbigay1042
@seanbigay1042 Год назад
Why does the German defense of the Regev salient remind me of the Soviet defense of the Kursk salient?
@amazingfantasy7879
@amazingfantasy7879 Год назад
Because it was.well,the name is rzhev and it was a meat grinder for both sides involved.
@seanbigay1042
@seanbigay1042 Год назад
@@amazingfantasy7879 Mmm ... Also, which I guess I was driving at, the Germans at Rzhev at the Soviets at Kursk both seized the chance to build meat-grinding defenses in such depth as to turn any assault upon them to so much hamburger. I wonder if the Soviets got any hints from the Germans?
@Nnnuvolari
@Nnnuvolari Год назад
Very different. In scale, depth and preparations to begin with, or in the differences between German and Soviet defensive doctrines. You might be interested in learning about Walter Model's "shield and sword" tacticts
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