The Zelda game that had to be CHANGED in America 

Hehe

Did you guys see this ratio

Agreed! I want all the starters 🥰

Yeahhhh

Yeah looks so good.

It’s a common in Japanese trope in their ‘other creature’ they use.

@@hiddenflare6169 it’s kind of annoying, personally.

What

What are you talking about? everyone adds their species into their speech huma!

FYI the Japanese language actualy does this normally. Different reigional dialects will end certain words with different sounds. There's even a small village that uses nya.

Same here. I can understand the controversy if they kept the original "fat-shaming" lines via. direct translation, but you gotta give the English translation team some kudos on changing the lines some to make the situation more serious.

cute pfp

Inflation

Oh lol, haven't watched you in a long time

It was? I can't really remember and I don't have in mind that any of the Zoras said something about Oreens beauty.

But German has the best Link's Awakening translation change. Look up what Cukeman says in the original translation. That definitely wasn't in the Japanese.

@@marvj13 I distinctly remember that one Zora saying that they preferred the Queen's previous look.

Ok see

Igual yo no recuerdo que dijeran nada de su "belleza" igual lo jugué hace mucho.

I really don't see this as "Fat Shaming", Like the Zora literally points out meaningless it is really is.

It's because the English translation was done in the USA so it makes sense for jokes about fat people to be more harmful in that version

And yet its the positive comment about her weight that's supposed to be fat shaming :/

BMI is proven to not be an accurate measure of a person's 'health', there isn't much relation between weight and height.

@@thefurry7165 It's a decent measure for most of the population, or else everyone from doctors to actuaries wouldn't be using it anymore. If anything, the biggest problem with BMI is that it tends to *under*-diagnose excess fat these days. The BMI chart we use today was developed in 1972 based on aggregate population data available to a particular scientist at the time. People today are on average less active, older and consume more processed foods than people in 1972, so the predictions made back then about the body composition of the average person of a given height and weight combo would be optimistic by today's standards. There are probably a lot of people of nominally "normal" BMI who are nevertheless carrying more body fat than is optimal for their health. I think the simplest solution would simply be to shift the upper cutoffs for each category of normal and above on the chart by a point or two to the left so that the new "normal" range is 18.5 to 23/24 and the new "obese" range is 23/24 to 28/29, etc.

@@SoIDontUploadMuch I'm beginning to believe your knowledge in biology isn't just lacking... It's below zero

@@thefurry7165 k

@@thefurry7165 It's only inaccurate if you're really, really short/tall or muscular. Which most americans aren't.

But realistic fish are beautiful, though.

*than

Actually, there is a good reason. The ratings that Wii Fit gave were known to be badly incorrect. I believe I once read a story about how a girl that wasn't even fat got rated as "Obese" by the game but if you took 1 look at the girl it was clear as day she wasn't even close to being obese. So actually yes, people did have good reason to be offended.

My mom was around the top of the obese scale in the game. She was never labeled obese by any doctor. Still, we had a good laugh. It's kinda like a joke now.

@@prismaticc_abyss bruh its literally a game for small children do you not see what’s wrong with give them body issues based on horrendously inaccurate scale

@@prismaticc_abyss I'm not saying all women are like this but yeah...you definitely are ignorant to how sensitive women can be when it comes to their bodies. Not to mention what Benzona said is also true.

"bEiNg FaT iS uNhEaLtHy??" Yes _(Friendly fire will not be tolerated!)_

That reminds me of lady Alvida, from One Piece. She ate the Sube Sube no Mi and went from fat to beautiful.

@@MrLoowiz yeah that’s exactly the same

ohhh ok

now i understand lol thx

Josiah, would you be willing to share your source? I'm asking because I'm a Japanese speaker yet I've never heard of it having that meaning. In fact, I even looked up in every dictionary I could find and there's no trace of that meaning of "sexy". We do say the skin of a young woman is "sube sube" but that's because she's young, so her skin is smooth to the touch, not because she's sexy. For instance some women get envious of men that have a skin more "sube sube" than theirs. It really isn't related to "sexy" or inherent to sexy women. While we're at the topic, the reason Alvida became slim wasn't because the fruit is sube sube, but rather because her skin became so smooth to the touch that her fat "slipped away" from her body. No relation between "sube sube" and "sexy" (or "slim")

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@@NewSoupWiiHii mweep

Indeed

LOL

or later ones. Look at the Zora King in botw. He's mega obese. lmao

Wow a verified comment without any replies huh, yeah the wii fit thing made me feel bad lol

First reply on a verified account 🎉! Yeah 🥳!

@@luigift5900 I refreshed the page and saw your reply! I guess I didn't type fast enough!

@@allaccessentertainment4755 gg tho😁

Stress eat more, lardass

@Electroboss Internet slang for cool or awesome

@Electroboss I keep getting told opposite of cringe? I've seen it used somewhat like "a good opinion despite what others think" but I also see it used ironically pretty much as often. I don't mean something like "that is an opinion I support, I too am against abortion" but more like "that is an opinion I support, I also think the 3rd game is the best in the series unlike all those who like the 5th one". The ironic way is like "we should kill all horses" "based"

@Electroboss BASED ON GAY MANGA

@@Wabbit_Guy wrong, based means something like not caring what others think.. so for example let's say you do something cringe and it isn't the lack of self-awareness but rather the lack of giving a fuk that makes you do said cringe thing, then that would be based

@Clayton hey just cause ya dont like it no shaming others

Also the fat Zora king from Ocarina of Time.

@@camthesaxman3387 He's less fat and more a giant fish head with legs. Like a reverse mermaid.

@@camthesaxman3387 if you’re counting him as fat then so is the zora king from botw

The point being that Zoras have a history of fat monarchs.

A link to the past was made in a different time for a different audience. People today are too sensitive.

This is what the world needed to hear

"Fat acceptance" is killing a lot more people than "fatphobia" ever did.

a doctor once said "beauty may only be skin deep, but fat goes to the organs. stay healthy"

I am actually quite thankful i was harassed when I was fat since about a year ago it heavily motivated me to go to the gym and lift weights. Now I am in the greatest shape of my life thanks to this, all without even a minute of cardio lol

A bit, yeah.

"research" no shade (and no pun intended) to Thomas but his research came from Clyde not him

that’s how you get views, i guess.

It's honestly fine. Go watch veritasium's video on click bait.

you gotta do what you gotta do. it is his job after all

Hello there. I studied this phenomenon for 3 years. Unfortunately the data would suggest that you are an outlier. There is a whole ton of data too so I don't doubt it's credibility. For every person who receives harsh words and pushes back in defiance there is a much larger group that only sinks further. You should be proud of the fact that you are in the minority who responds that way but that cannot be expected of all people. The metric used in Wii fit were not correct and the scale they were attempting to approximate (BMI) has widely been discredited to the point of causing harm by healthcare professionals and is being phased out in most places. Tackling the issue of weight should follow what has been proven to be effective and not what is anecdotally effective. That means encouragement, realistic goals and mental health support. Also other physical health factors such as access to healthcare are really important. Telling people that a number is too high has been an abysmal failure in the push for better health. I would also note that studies into people who responded well anecdotally to "tough love" didn't show statically significant improvement in exercise or studying from recieving negative stimulus than recieving no stimulus at all. They did however consistently state that they 'felt' that they did better. They also still showed most improvement upon receiving the positive stimulus of affirmation and encouragement. So even if you think the tough love helps the nurturing love still works best and the tough love might not be helping at all. My takeaway was that for some people the negative stimulus is just an intrinsic part of how they choose to challenge themselves and I'm not here to judge. Some people want to get called weak and fat when they work out. Some people want to be called stupid when they study. Heck I like to be called a slut in the bedroom. This doesn't mean that it works for everyone or improves outcomes for the people who have these preferences. It certainly doesn't mean that we should tell people who respond negatively to these stimuli that they are incorrect either. Just cause I like being called a slut in the bedroom doesn't mean you should call everyone a slut. Just because a comment about your weight felt like the push you needed doesn't mean that we should go around inaccurately calling healthy people "overweight".

I believe being too soft, lead people to a false sense of accomplishment. Getting praise for just joining the race isn’t going to help push that person to try harder to become number #1. Real results, require real pain. An echo chamber of praise will spoil a person, once that “false cheerleading group” is not around. The real motivation and confidence they need comes from within. Despite what your Studies say, which are normally done in a small group of people, afraid of offending themselves. You have to embrace negativity, to find the positive that can result from it.

@@jumpmadmadness1222 no these studies are not conducted on small groups. You are simply incorrect about this. The smallest study sample size for the meta-study I compiled with my peers was 240 students. The largest was a study of over 16,000. The total number of data items we had was over 100,000. And this is only one of the many meta studies. There is a wealth of data on this because of our ability to work with learning groups at various levels of formal education. The reason I personally find it interesting is because prior to my research I believed that I myself benefited from negative stimulus. I have had to come to terms with the fact that my expectations were flawed. Again I was specifically looking at the impact of negative stimulus on different groups for different activities. The data proving the benefit of the so called "soft approach" is far more vast and spans multiple decades of quality research. You are misinformed on this subject and your belief is not aligned with so much of what we know. Countless studies including my own have sought out to show that positive stimulus shouldn't be seen as the default but I have to say that it really doesn't pan out the way our bias expect. Encouragement is consistently the most beneficial response. I had not wanted to debate this. I simply thought you might be interested in what someone who specifically worked on this would have to say about it. I would ask you to research it further if you want to understand it better and bring forward the question of if rhetoric has influenced your current attachment to an unsubstantiated point of view. Belief in media reports on supposed "participation trophies" would be a good indication of if that is the case as that entire concept has been proven to be largely a media fabrication. A co-worker of mine attempted a study on participation trophies and long story short they basically don't exist and the ones that do aren't what they have been reported to be and don't meet the volume necessary to conduct research. The closest they came to "participation trophies" were "certificates of attendance" which are not used as positive stimulus and if you stretch the definition "graduation hoodies" could be described as participation trophies but there is nothing to suggest that graduation hoodies have had any effect on like anything. You usually have to pay for them. Point being you have now had an opportunity to confront the data. You of course don't have to confront it but I always hope that when forming opinions people will take on board the incredible tool of scientific data which we are so lucky to have instead of assuming that preconceived notions about areas that they have not studied are impervious to being incorrect.

Most people are into bodybuilding. They build a body out of fat.

@@rosejuliette9180 The body positivity movement is one big participation trophy, patting people on the ass and congratulating them for merely existing is what our society does and people can see it with their own eyes no matter how many of your ''studies'' try to gaslight them into doubting it.

It's already pretty weird on its own because, you know, F A T F E T I S H.

@@krimsonkatt for real, when he was talking about the queen inflating I remembered sonic dream collections and weird cringe deviantart fetishist fanarts...

It may also be putting a positive spin on something negative. a lot homophobic/transphobic jokes have been changed to be positive, like calling things "gay" is used as a compliment

@@playedlikeaspoon2439 It is used in the LGBT community as a positive adjective to describe things. Of course it's not going to be used properly in a high school. That's a tiny sampling of people, especially of children, for you to confidently tell someone how a word is used lol

@@TheExigency Gay still has many meanings similarly to slang words. Thusly I don't think you can use it "properly" or improperly.

@@sam4gaming135 gay as a compliment? never heard that before lmao

@@sam4gaming135 you should be transphobic

Indeed.

I agree

Body neutral is better because it’s about accepting the way you are, not shaming yourself or focusing on your looks :)

@@yoshisarethebomb if you look like a bag full of fat you should not be ashamed, but you should be concerned about your health. Just sayin'.

Nah it should be shamed

What a charitable company!

It would also help Nintendo stans to get out of their mom’s basement

Damn, what dastardly marketing.

How generous.

that's some next level entrepreneurship

All of human history, until extremely recently, beauty has been accepted as something positive to behold or aspire to. Now we cry about "words are violence and cause real life harm" nonsense.

@@Vulpas many years ago, being 'chubby' wasn't considered ugly, it was only in recent years that people came up with that whole "it's unhealthy" nonsense.

@@thefurry7165 Any extra weight, even muscle, is hard on organs, especially the heart. We've known this for a long time. Cease this folly.

Concern for health is also used to fat shame people, though, whether you mean well, or not. Someone being a bit fat doesn't necessarily make them unhealthy; and often times, people only have so much control over their weight, before genetics starts to play a role in it.

@@thefurry7165 How?? Its always been stated that being fat is unhealthy. At least here in America anyways. In recent years ppl are more accepting of overweight ppl bc big is the new beautiful now. Y'know big butts and boobs come with it so it's favored now.

I'm in no way natively hispanic or Spanish-speaking or born in the culture or whatever, but I heard when I studied abroad in South America that people can often call each other fat/chubby, but with a positive, endearing connotation (e.g. calling your wife "mi gordita") rather than it being seen as offensive, so maybe because being fat doesn't have such stigma as in the US might be why they didn't change it? I wouldn't know for sure though since I'm just a white English-speaking US American myself.

@Toquimequi Graphic Design gorditas pelliscadas, why they had to call it like that... but I agree Latam is way non-sensitive in comparison although sometimes that makes Americans tick off

@@fixedfunshow Americans are way to sensible we don't give a fuck about that,also fat is not healthy so..

@@ladymoragsbootlaces8059 Nope, people being bullied for being fat exist. The reason why people take it endearing is because at a young age they are taught the difference between what is actually offensive or not. Which I really appreciate it makes you stronger in a way, that’s why South America is known for not being offended as much as America is. I mean there is literally fat models in USA, here in South America you don’t see that. So I think the stigma is way bigger here in South America than in the US At the end of the day, I mean people who are fat get their praised by almost anything.

@@ladymoragsbootlaces8059 It's not so much that the remarks themselves have a positive connonotation, but rather no connotation at all (sort of), you'd be surprised to find so many people being called as their appearance (even to strangers, although that tends to happen with more vulgar or extremely informal places within the city), hence why you may hear people refering to you or someone else by their skin color (if you know the spanish word for black you likely know already, for white people though, it tends to be "colorado", don't think too much about that last one, it does not have much of a meaning as far as I'm aware of), weight (for thin people as well), or just straight up sassy remarks (could be a nickname that is kind of an insult but isn't really taken on that seriously). As the other one said, it is usually taught to differentiate between someone being offensive or not, especially since remarks with "positive" connotations tend to be accompanied with diminutives (in the one you mentioned, it would be -ita, but then again, it tends to be there, but it's not a must). Although I'm definitely not saying discrimination does not exist (I think it's more than obvious that it does everywhere), people also tend to differentiate between someone being actually hateful or just extremely sassy.

whats your pb

As a guy who also watched One Piece, that seems like a stretch.

@@DoJayMi If it's not a reference, then it's going off of the same idea.

They must call you Luffy cause that was quite a stretch lol

One Piece! Don't give it up, Zora! One Piece! Don't give it up Motxmod! One Piece! Don't give it up, give it up, give it up, give it up!

I was looking in the comments for someone mentioning this, not sure about an outright reference (although "smooth-smooth stone" is pretty dang similar) but it is quite the coincidence

Yeah

This actually made me smile kjdfk

Daaa dum, dum. Daaa da da da dum dum. Daaa da da da, dum dum dumm...

@@CanadaBud23 ow!!

Nice.

Thinking the exact same thing. Couldn't it have been established, that that's how the Zora simply think of their species?

Yeah facts. Health and natural attraction are way more linked to one another than most people I think realize.

except for how skinny does not equate to healthy/fit. Before I had kids I could slouch in a chair and you could count all my ribs, from the front, from a distance. I had such a lack of love handles that i could fit my fist in the divot in the front of my pelvis. My waist (not my hips) was only like 25" or so around. Like measure out a shoelace or string to that and put it in a circle. Meanwhile my hips were at about 35". Sure I could ride my bike for 20 hrs and after I had my kids I could still wear just under my own body weight between weights and a loaded backpack (23lbs in weights and 100 or more of random crap in my backpack) and go for a 7 or 8 hour walk, but that's just going of natural build. I HAVE never been in shape. Even back then. Yeah I ate a lot of fruits and veg back then, but before I had kids I would generally be eating between 3,000-4,500calories A DAY. Like keeping them down, just eating that much. I have also always struggled to dead lift even just 45lb. Even back then I was never in shape and never actually fit. I was that skinny because of my metabolism and that my body didn't store fat unless I was getting ready for a growth spurt and after I was done growing, it never stores fat until after I had kids. Meaning it's just how I was. Even now with me being much fatter than I was before kids, I'm still pretty skinny for my build. But after having a heart attack I'm now more out of shape than I've ever been and am for the first time in my life actually having to work to even be able to do a 30 min walk. (Just last march a 30 min walk literally put me in ER because it caused enough stress on my heart to interrupt it's electrical rhythm and caused it to regularly skip multiple beats in a row. Going on a 3 hour walk last week was a major thing. Nothing like the 8 hour walks I used to do but still. a 3 hour walk is nothing. Especially with no added weight and no jogging/running.) So while I'm still "skinny" I'm the most out of shape I've ever been. And this isn't even touching the topic of eating disorders. So yeah, just because someone is skinny, doesn't mean they are fit let alone healthy. Heck, just because they are fit doesn't mean they are healthy. You should look into how much of a risk body builders are for heart attacks and other cardiovascular issues because of how large their hearts get, and that's without the use of gear (chemical enhancements like steroids and growth hormones, and other such stuff.) Body builders tend to have very bad hearts despite having super "fit" hearts. So even being fit doesn't automatically equate to "healthy". Also, until modern times, being skinny like I was, would make you the first to die during a harsh winter. The only reason why these genes survived in my family was due to the fact that until my great grandparents' generation, that part of my family were very wealthy. (and there are branches of that part of the family that still are very much so.) So we had the money and power to just steal food from the peasants when we got low on food. Meanwhile, those peasants my ancestors forced food from would and did starve to death if they weren't able to hold onto large amounts of calories and fat. Being able to store calories and fat so easily is one way that allowed homosapiens to out compete Neanderthals. They needed far more calories a day than we do and their body was more likely to pass extra calories in the form of bodily waste and sweat vs storing ALL extra calories as fat. (And yes, it's thought that they possibly literally sweated out excess fat through their sweat instead of storing it.) So being prone to gaining weight from calories has really only been a bad thing as of like the last century, maybe past century and a half.

Stop voting for left wingers and this will be purged from our culture.

Given that beauty is very much a historic and cultural thing and modern, Western beauty standards not having been prominent for most of human history: no. Humans aren't "engineered to admire" fitness. Humans aren't engineered for anything really because we're all complex individuals with different believes, preferences and personalities and not some homogeneous blob created by one bearded dude.

I think you are misinterpreting the messages of people sharing love for their bodies and other peoples' bodies. It is not about health. We know that being dangerously overweight is bad. But being a "healthy" weight isn't accessible to a lot of people, especially in the US! Unhealthy food is a lot cheaper + easier than healthy food. Many people dont have the money or time to eat healthier or go to the gym. No one is saying "Yes! Be morbidly obese! That is going to give you a long and healthy life! That is ideal!" It's more like people are trying to share love for bodies that are looked down upon. Also, what's healthy for one person might be unhealthy for another. I'm naturally skinny and I'm aware that I'm unhealthy, but no one looks at me and goes "ah, you unhealthy person, you are going to die soon because of your weight." Ofc thats more intense than what you're trying to imply- but I hope my message was able to get across? Just be mindful of how you interpret body positivity and acceptance. It's not as black and white as you think. A lot of people are just making the most of what they have and trying to love themselves.

Just because a small minority movement (The idiots known as the fat acceptance movement) say that being fat is healthy dosen’t mean the rest of us Americans think that way tho. Maybe the Californians at best, but still

@@kaoru9829 "Being a 'healthy' weight isn't accessible." I disagree. Certain diets are definitely cheaper or easier, but that's the point. You don't have to eat those foods. It isn't necessarily more expensive to buy fresher or lower calorie foods, for example, just harder for a lot of people, which I get, but choosing to eat that extra piece of dessert, etc., is still a choice. Not an easy one (if it was, we wouldn't have this issue in our country), but it's not 'unaccessible." I've literally tried eating better on the same grocery budget, and I actually found that I was spending LESS because of factors like eating out less and not spending more on extra sweets etc. Unless you have a rare exception with how your body works, I don't find it healthy to be encouraging that. I don't think people are just trying to "share love for bodies that are different." In my experience, it has had more to do with accepting lifestyles that are potentially hazardous to your health. I'm not talking about just "morbidly obese." I'm talking about even being obese, period, which is proven to cause higher chances of declined health, diabetes, mental health, etc. Why would I wish that on anybody? I'm not misinterpreting anything. I just don't want people to necessarily equate slim/etc body shape with beauty, but I also don't want people to use that as an excuse to continue with lifestyle practices that could endanger their health in the long run. Yes, love your body, its shape, everything, but also show that by taking care of it.

@@mroversteer3739 If you understand that, then I am not referring to you. Sorry, "tends to" is overly general I agree. I've heard this here more than other places because obesity is a large issue in the U.S., and it has a lot to do with our diets, culture, and everyday life choices. It's something I need to work as well, so I can't be a hypocrite about that. I'm just trying to emphasize that this message, this culture is out there, and that it is using something good (love your body, respect others' bodies/shapes too) to justify something hazardous (being at unhealthy weights due to eating, etc. habits is okay because it's just a different body shape). Hopefully that's not the majority of people or even some people, but it's just a reality and a struggle for many people. I don't want people to feel bad about their bodies, but I do hope they take care of them.

They’re not saying fat is better or ideal. Even if they did, it would be skinny people. Now, there’s a new movement called body neutral which is about accepting yourself instead of saying “I am beautiful” :)

I think there’s two kind of Zoras, the blueish, slender alien humanoid Zoras, and the more green, creature of the lake looking Zoras

*zroa*

@@dustymcwari4468 Yes, in Oracle Of Ages, There's a dialogue with a Zora(Blue one), saying that they are the Noble Zora's and the ones that attack Link are the wild ones

Because people treated them badly? What are you talking about?

It's not about the amount of weight., it is the concept of slim=beautiful, fat=ugly. That is fat shaming. Saying she eats more because she's bigger is fat shaming. Mocking her and pretending to like her more bigger is fat shaming. You're just finding a way to justify it, as most people do. It's the same premise as constantly showing black people and people with disfigurements as villians. That takes a toll on people mentally and if you don't understand that, you're most likely not a minority.

So why are fat people "fat" in first place? If it is not because of an eating disorder. Magic?

@@bepal2703 metabolism can also contribute

@@TheExigency Personally I think you're taking this way too seriously. It's a video game.

@@TheExigency fat people aren't beautiful

Sounds like we should take notes from them, they seem to have it all figured out.

I'm getting flashbacks to One Piece. There's literally an item called the "smooth smooth fruit" that turned a fat woman into a slim and curvy one after eating it.

@@revolvingworld2676 perhaps that was the inspiration?

@@INSAne_DrUNkard Eh it's probably some Japanese culture thing that they both share inspirations with.

the german name is flatter stone

@@Safetyswitch Well it certainly made her belly flatter...

wtf

@@anonymousfilipino3232 Well, the Japanese version implies that.

Probably not they could of just changed that ones dialogue it is probably a combination

Except it often gets it wrong. A person able to SEE you can because they can SEE you are factually that. An minigame score system can't actually tell the difference between a cripple, someone obese, or someone bad at X game. This is why you'd use a fitness rating or tie it to something like average fitness for age group. This judges your abilities shown without making a massive claim that is impossible to verify. It makes no sense to use weight as a judgement system as there is simply no way to correlate the information in any meaningful way.

There definition of obese was wrong. And plus sized ≠ unhealthy

@@ellie8784 first of all, there is no such thing as "plus sized". Overweight people (like myself) are overweight. Period. Second, yes it is possible to be healthy and overweight BUT only in specific situations "People who are overweight can be considered healthy if their waist size is less than 35 inches for women or 40 inches for men, and if they do not have two or more of the following conditions: High blood pressure High blood sugar High cholesterol"

@@glock4455 most plus sized people do not have 2 or more of those conditions... Being overweight is not, in most situations, unhealthy, it just puts you at higher risk for developing medical issues. There's a lot of things that have higher impact on medical outcomes than weight.

@@ellie8784 Overweight is a health hazard. To say being obese ≠ being unhealthy is scientifically wrong. It's like saying that smoking ≠ being unhealthy just because a smoker doesn't have any medical issues. Obesity kills, stop spreading misinformation, that's a disservice for public health.

I am also a little on the chubby side, and don’t personally take offense to it, but I still don’t blame others if they do

hell, the line where the zora says she's still attractive pretty much removes anything offensive about the scene. beauty is in the eye of the beholder, and as long as you arent so thin or fat that it's killing you (as in restricting yourself from walking if the latter) then theres no right or wrong body type.

@@supersmashbro596 well it still suggests that you cannot be beautiful and overweight. The couple comments from the zoras don't change that: "everyone else may think you're hideously disgusting but I don't!" that doesn't make it better

People are far more likely to get offended over things they already know they are doing wrong than the things they can do nothing about.

The media in America is driven by whiners, what did you expect?

I feel like assuming the intent behind the lines is a pretty lost cause and that it's best to just take it as face value You could say that objectification is a clear theme here since they look up to her solely for her beauty, but liking someone regardless how skinny or chubby they appear is 100% not a fetish thing

Definitely a fat/inflation fetish lol

to be frank it kinda removes all the offensiveness in the scene. beauty is in the eye of the beholder. then again you should still get her rock back as it looks very painful.

They're making Legend of Zelda: A Way Forward?

Pyrocynical be like:

Based

That is basically what i got from this

gems

But I'm not saying that fat shaming is okay, and body positivity is not cool as well because that just makes your body worse. There is a limit to what is healthy and what isn't. Slim is not healthy because your not adding fiber or nutrients in your body, normal is just normal it means your good, muscular is healthy as well, but having too much muscles is not healthy at all and means your putting too much pressure into yourself, fat is just a over your weight a bit you can still be active and be close to normal, but obesity is very unhealthy because your basically risking your own health with overeating or not keeping your body at a safe wait distance. And if you want to add a fat character to your TV show, cartoon, anime, comic, or video game, there is such thing as moral messages that impact or be relatable to other people. Or you just want that kind of character to be a regular character along with your other characters. Even though everyone can be different sometimes, we're still human beings.

And to be fair, the translation isn't really what made me cringe, but the fat joke itself. I mean, it would be hypocrite to say she's not more beautiful once slim, but that subject could be avoided. From one part, there's America being oversensitive not recognizing there's a huge malnutrition issue in their country (I'm talking globally, not to individuals), and from another part, there's this constant harassment to fat people in media. This ALBW joke isn't appropriate in the first place, no matter the translation

So true, I remember back then during a school trip in France I was like "why every man looks so stylish and beautiful lol".

@@EtheRenard It's a big part of the joke that the zora are ugly regardless of size. If the joke simply stated that "fat=ugly" then it would indeed be cringe and unfunny.

You know, I have seen the website where Clyde Tomato was talking about this. Glad to see that this strange translation getting some notice. It was even in Did You Know Gaming's 3DS Facts video.

What?

@Tblazer ik i watched the video

I don't think there was a Chinese version back in those days. It wasn't really a thing until around 2016 when Pokemon Sun/Moon became one of the first big Nintendo games to receive full Chinese translations

@@Onionion852 The 3DS had localised games for the HK market, at least all the big titles. There were Hong Kong versions of games during the Xbox 360/PS3 generation too, and in the past, such games were classed as "Asian Versions"

Same. Im ok with both skinny and overweight People

I kinda like 'em squishy too.

It's also kind of a throwback to many of the Zora leaders being fat (lookin' at you King Zora from OoT).

Yeah I don't think people understand how big a deal being 'fat' is in Japan and east Asia in general. If you're average weight you're fat. Everyone around you will comment on it and tell you to lose weight. You will get in trouble with boss's and teachers for being 'fat' when you may not actually even be overweight. Most people in this comment section really don't get it and brush this off as just like 'sensitive snowflakes' when they really have no idea what's going on.

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absolutely agree, but its comprehensible knowing that like 70% of the people in usa is overweight

to be frank as an american it's not all that offensive, especially because one zora admits shes still attractive. beauty is in the eye of the beholder, and theres no right or wrong body to have provided it's not killing you.

Yesss

I thought the plot was satirical lol

Shes needs a diet

Being unhealthy it a choice. Stop being fat.

L+ratio

Why so weak?

​@@Legoluigi26 See, this makes me doubt your claim to have ever actually been overweight. You're acting like it's easy to fix, the same way people with no experience talk about it. If it was just a simple choice, nearly everyone would choose to be at a healthy weight. It's not like it's not obvious that doing so is better. The problem is that it is difficult even in the best circumstances--when you have the money, time, lack of stress, and are otherwise physically healthy. Real life makes it even harder. This is exactly the problem with fat shaming. It at best doesn't help at all. And, at worse, it makes the person feel worse, and that leads to more eating. Just like shaming a drug addict tend to lead to more drugs.

@@ZipplyZane It's not easy, and that's why we need to work at it. I've literally looked like Nikocado Avocado, but after bullying from the internet, I have decided to make changes like lifting weights 5 times a week and making smarter eating choices. We as humans have this thing called self control, and you don't have to vore an entire cow because some people on the internet said mean things.

That's kinda fucked up?

@@ellie8784 how

@@smurgerburger I read it wrong

Being fat is considered ugly in the US. In that regard, americans are not different from the rest of the world, the whole PC culture thing is just hiding the truth in order to create a fantasy world where everyone is beautiful, and denying anything that might be slightly offensive at any scale. It's a disease, to be honest. I'm also fine with the censorship, it's a safe move for Nintendo, but the issue with PC culture stands.

and annoying.

If you mean Vascular fat, then yes absolutely But if it’s subcutaneous fat, then it does not cause harm

@@finkriel1814 Wanna bet? There's a reason why horrifically fat people often have knee, hip, ankle, and lower back issues, not to mention issues sleeping and breathing, which causes all kinds of harm.

@@bon7029 Of course, and that’s because those people have too much vascular fat in their bodies Case in point, almost all of the “dangers of obesity” (diabetes, heart disease, cancer, early death…) are really dangers of visceral fat - which is important to know because we usually assume that obesity is visually obvious, but visceral fat isn’t always visible from the outside. It’s common for people to look thin and have a normal BMI but have high visceral fat.

​@@finkriel1814 Even 400 pounds of muscle would cause harm to your body.

I agree that obesity isn't healthy, but as someone who has an obese family member, just making her feel awful for being fat didn't help because that doesn't make people change. That just made her emotionally unstable, because she's human, and humans react awfully to being treated badly. Fat shaming can actually lead to people getting even fatter if they develop depression, both depression and depression medication can lead to gaining weight. People that say that Fat Shaming is good because it helps people to stop being fat are both uneducated, wrong, and probably don't care about the health of those people anyway. If you want people to be healthier there are other ways to do it, don't be an asshole to them. (This is just a comment I copied from another thread because this argument is fucking dumb and I'm tired of replying every time)

@@gonnsolo8506 I already said that fat shaming is not ok. But I think it's better than pretending that being fat is good and normal, as a former obese. It almost cost me my life, and my teenage days were hell, not being able to run or play with other kids in the same conditions. Obesity has to be our first enemy. The mental health issues that fat shaming produce are nothing compared to the mental health issues (and general health issues) produced by obesity itself. Specially in children.

@@Alfonso88279 Nobody "pretends being fat is good", or if somebody does it's a statistically insignificant minority, though pretending that many people do think that "being fat is good" is a good strawman to justify fat-shaming. And, as someone who has had an obese family member and a couple of obese friends, fat-shaming doesn't magically make those people thin, it just makes them feel bad, and in the case of my family member, develop depression, which is a more serious issue than obesity (and again, depression and certain anti-depressants are known to make people gain weight). Fat shaming IS worse than obesity, stop pretending people people who do it are justified saviours when they're really just being shit people.

@@gonnsolo8506 I already told you and this is the third time in three messages: Fat shaming is bad, but it's worse to pretend that being fat is good. And it happens all the time. Fast food restaurants are making the food for schools in the USA, at least a few years ago and I have no reason to think that's changed. You just don't pay attention to the stuff that you don't care. You don't care about people being fat, I care. Half my patients care.

@@Alfonso88279 Telling you again, no it isn't, fat shaming is most of the times more harmful than pretending being fat is good, and again, practically nobody thinks being fat is good anyway.

Fat men don't get protected and coddled by the fat acceptance community like women do. That's why no one cares about how King Zora is portrayed.