The ZZZ Comment Section | Wuthering Waves 

My boy is farming drama. He's a real gacha streamer now.

Ive never seen any seeth over the combat but you can and will see 99% of the community seeth over the t.v.'s

Nikke player here, I understand they respond that way after they felt upset for the "difficult" difference But, don't engaging it's the best, after all, who doesn't have an open mind, is not gonna listen So, don't get so obsessed with it And yeah, Nikke is so hard on late game (must be played on PC and full manual)

Let me tell you my experience in Hoyo games. Many of the end game content that saw were hard and challenge in it’s own way. But there are common themes for every new patch and its end game content, that those event were tide to the latest release characters. Every content they released made me feel that I need to pull for this character for this content and later on. For example Xiao was the only character that can do multiple plunge attacks, now we have Cloud retainer that can provide plunge attacks like Xiao does. In HSR they give multiple character that power creep the last, and sometime the latest enemies were problematic that you would need the latest character to deal with them. Using my current team or character I have obtained were doable, but it was so annoying with the enemy mechanic. Even some of my team set don’t have the element weakness to deal with them. I am not surprised if they said Caesar is a must pulled character, because she would likely need to clear the latest content just like other Hoyo game. Don’t get me wrong I love all the Hoyoverse game, I have been playing for the last 5 years, I like to play through their story and experiment with the team combo and mechanics. In Wuwa, I never feel so restricted like I had with Hoyo game, I never feel the need to pull for every characters on every patch. I don’t feel that I need rush for late content and I can enjoy it slow. In Genshin, I was not able to clear many things with every new patch and enemy until I pulled for Clorinde and she became my main power house. HSR, I still can’t clear many end game content with just the current team and characters I have but just enough to get decent amount of stellar jade that I am happy with. I already feeling numb at this point, so if can’t clear their end game content, then I can’t clear it, that is that. I am not competing with anyone so I shouldn’t care if can’t clear them.

Dude, play any game you like! No need to justify which is which. I watch you for WuWa but I don't mind ZZZ or literally any content gacha or non-gacha.

I think your mistake was expecting people to actually watch the video when you are making a statement like that in the thumbnail lol They just see the statement and comment xD As for the video itself I think it's very important to clarify what EXACTLY you even mean by difficulty and skill. Because what you mentioned in regards to character availability is definitely not the first thing people think of when they hear the word difficulty. To me ZZZ is just not a game that really needs healers or tanks, and the available roster just confirms that for me. The word you are looking for, and you are using it yourself in this video is probably balancing. And saying "ZZZ has worse balancing" is a very different statement from "ZZZ is more difficult than WuWa", the latter will always cause an argument. Although I am sure people will also fight you on the balancing aspect. But like you said, they are two vastly different games, ZZZ is entirely focused on perfecting your own team rotation, whereas WuWa is all about learning your enemy's moveset because even a perfect team rotation doesn't help you if you get oneshot in the middle of it xD The same goes for skill. If when you say "skill" you mean the basic understanding of the game which you as a new player would be lacking then I guess EVERY game is skill-based because yes, you should understand the basic mechanics of the game to be able to play it. But when people in WuWa talk about skill they actually mean knowing the enemy's moveset and/or having the necessary reaction time to dodge/counter every move. ZZZ has a different focus, once you get your rotation going and QTE from one character to next and back again, it's more about reacting to the QTE prompts to switch to the next character and less about what the enemy does. When it comes to your own rotation at the end of the day you memorize it and it's essentially just the same thing over and over again, just against different enemies. However what the ENEMY does you have no control over, so constantly having to react to that in WuWa requires more focus which I guess equals more "skill" in the eyes of most people. Although I am sure there are people who actually prefer just having to focus on dodging on countering rather than building and optimizing a team rotation, so at the end of the day it all comes down to preference.

My man, you are getting one guy'd... don't pay much attention to people who just talk shit

wuwa is not that hard if you had played pgr before

In that zzz video i actually talked with someone in the comments and they convinced me to try iut zzz. And first impressions, its not as brain dead as people say it is imo. Yes the mobs are weak and stuff but the mechanics are good. It feels a bit weird for me since im not used to the game yet but its really not that bad. The tvs are annoying yes but i also dont think they that bad. Granted, im only about 1-2h into the game so i might be wrong. Am i enjoying the game so far? Kinda? There are some fun stuff but there are also some not fun stuff, but i dont think zzz is as bad or easy as people are making it out to be. And i do have experience playing this type of game i play pgr daily and hi3rd for a bit a few years back

I think most people do agree with you that ZZZ isn't button mashing games and can be challenging in its own right. For those people who claim ZZZ endgame to be button mashing are just trolls not to be taken seriously. Fully agree. That is not the contention we personally have. It's that when you make a claim such as X is harder than Y, people are going to take issue : when they believe that the metrics used for such comparison aren't fair enough. Basically, the definition of difficulty you might be using is way different from what people have in mind. Hence, they find that statement very weird. 1) I don't believe that lack of healers should be a justifiable metric to call a game inherently harder, at least, in a certain way. Here's the reason why. Let's say you have two bosses X and Y, where X has way more complex and intricate mechanics than Y. However, Y is also not an easy boss either. Now you set up a test where you can beat boss X in about 3 min but beat boss Y in about 15 minutes (by setting up hp, levels, buff, or anything else). Also imagine you don't have heals for both situations. The truth will be that boss Y will turn out to be much harder because of the "accuracy" check. This is what people are having issue with. Accuracy check is not the full picture of skill check. Even if boss Y may be "more difficult" due to accuracy check, boss X would be more engaging for people like me due to mechanics or reflexes check. Coming back to the healer point. Do you already see how boss X becomes harder again than boss Y with the introduction of healers? And why it is a flawed metric to say that, "oh healers are absent, therefore it is harder". Maybe you had already taken this into consideration and that's why you clarified in this video about the balancing issue. 2) If we really want a fair comparison, I think best would to be run a s1 Xiangli Yao probably with signature. Sanhua s4-6 probably with emerald. Another dps like havoc rover probably well built too in the overdrive tower of adversity, right side tower floor 1 (the Jiyan floor).

I play both games but this is why I don't interact with the WuWa community many people come off as insecure and just plain toxic when it comes to anything related to the game, while there are absolutely some toxic ass Hoyo fanboys I find that out of all of Hoyos games the ZZZ community is by far the most chill out of all their games. As far as difficulty goes you can't button mash your way through end game content neither in WuWa or ZZZ and anybody saying otherwise is straight up lying, one thing I will say unless you're using Caesar ZZZ does feel sometimes a tiny bit harder because there are no healers so if you screw up you have to redo everything but at the end of the day its all negligible tiny differences both games are challenging and both can exist without fanboys tearing each other apart.

The farming begins bois!! Get yur tools out of the shed.

just don't compare 2 game as content creator you will be ok . I play 2 game and for me Wuwa is harder than ZZZ for sure because ZZZ you only need to do 3 button , dodge and counter really easy in that game but isn't a bad game the problem is ZZZ boss love scale HP to make the game harder on tower nothing change and you will get boring soon so when you max your build and stronger i'm sure this game will turn into smash button again

Play Jane Doe solo, mash both right and left click and you'll clear everything, even bosses that resist phisical DMG. I've been playing both games since release and I get your point, yes it is hard for a new player, but FOR ME WuWa combat is waaay deeperand harder (intros, outros, vertical movement, parry timings, invulnerability frames, characters mechanics, teambuilding). Also you should try playing ZZZ if it tickles your fancy, it is a great game and as you said, it's completely different to WuWa, just don't expect getting anything from the Hoyo gacha system (got 2 weapon on the standard banner so I'm stuck playing one standard 5star and one exclusive 5star).

Toxic gachas is real people. Try Wuwa it's as generous as honkai SR

I like Wuwa and zzz, I want to play both, I’m waiting for Wuwa to come on ps5, I do have to say, I have been looking for a new gacha and I fell in love with zzz and I do have to say without getting ceasar you do need skill to beat the bosses in the end game, I’m still working on building my account and I have to say, I am having Fun with the game, it’s mashing and a lot of fighting and action which I like, nothing wrong with ZZZ or Wuwa in my opinion

you nailed it

The thing u say the base character at wuwa was balance is was fact as u say for zzz u fvcking need pull character to match team element to do more damage n zzz have hp sponge 😂😂😂😂

Shills gonna shill, easy as that 😂Play what you like

honestly zzz's problem is the game stupid progression, it takes days and days of yapping, Tvs and f-ing baby mode at the start to get to supposedly enjoyable parts, also the combat is frustrating since it forces your actions constantly which is not fun and so restrictive, maybe it gets better after a month of grind but at that point it's just masochism Once you put a bar of almost 2 weeks ( if you play casually ) to even get to any enjoyable content most will quit and only remember the deplorable state of the "combat" at the start and how boring it is, living up to its name "zzz" i get some people pushed through and find some parts enjoyable, good for them, but in WuWa you have the choice from the start to try to go at hard fight straight away and enjoy the challenges which you can't enjoy in ZZZ, you are not allowed to enjoy the combat until days and days of masochistic grind which makes WuWa much more enjoyable in comparison for me Also on your point on ZZZ that you don't do damage on end game boss looks bad, looks like a Hoyo typical HP sponge which just is not enjoyable, begging for C6R5 and very specific characters to go through the bullshit artificial difficulty :/

The thing with me.. I play the game part time.. a few times a month.. I see the game as very easy.... made for casuals. The game pings at you when you are ment to dodge, it gives you flashing hint and you 2 seconds of window to dodge or hit spacebar. things like that. And the enemy just walks around you and attacks you 1 at a time like a B movie. But Ive not gotten to the end game about the previsous video. So i didint really want to say anything. But it has a challenge mode, that just gives them more health...

Wow, you just triggered a potential war. I thinkk your video title and opening lines should be more straightforward next time.

If you think zzz is hard, try pgr end game. That is truly the hardest gacha.

If you think zzz is more difficult you're just wrong lol. Agree with your other points.

Honestly, the thing that I'm having problems with in your video was the team comp, I do agree about others things though, those who said you can beat endgame with button mashing never even meet the twins.

Kurobots won't be happy to see you play ZZZ

Kurobots > How dare you say that another game is enjoyable and stop talking about our Wuthering Waves?