i hate that chase and leo are just, not healthy for each other. leo really deserves someone who can help him deal with his issues, and chase could have been that person if the issues aren't anchored to him in the first place. the good ending was honestly the best for the both of them, though i do wish there was a way for chase to have stayed with leo without it spiraling out of control. leo's route has left me so twisted that i can't even get myself to touch the other routes yet months after i've played echo,, EDIT: wow returning to this comment two years later and i STILL haven't played the other routes. but i've definitely formed a much better opinion of the whole situation (aka FUCK CHASE HUNTER and KUDZU TÉNGWÀN MY BELOVED). these two were definitely not meant for each other and i realized that chase has a big part of the blame too. man, this vn screws me up!!! but i'll be checking out the other routes over the summer for sure
It's the bittersweet reality of our fist love. Sometimes people are just there to teach us a lesson and then move on. As harsh as that is its just the ugly truth
I played thought all the routes and i need to ask Please do it as well They all give you pieces to discover everything that's going on and they are great(still wish chase could be with carl
I feel like we are forgetting the reason why leo became so fucked up. Chase played a really cruel prank on the wolf and then proceeded to tell him that he was leaving echo, and by extension, him without even saying goodbye like. Does annnyone else think that's just a tad fucked up?
No it's fucked up for sure. Both of them were really unhealthy for each other, Leo was obsessive as all hell and Chase just didn't care enough about communicating, and led the wolf on even though that spark had practically already died out on his end.
@@LokiFops yeah Route 65 shows that Leo's just REALLY not a good partner for Chase. Like they got problems, Chase (not helped by so much of his actual personality being suppressed) definitely lead him on in Echo making it less cut and dry but... Leo literally strong arms someone who he slept with, recorded sleeping with, who is much younger than him at a time where that age gap means a lot, into fucking off so he can pounce on Chase the minute he becomes romantically available... After ignoring him for at least a couple weeks if the intro is to be believed.
Echo is a place born out of greed, temptation, lust, secrets, betrayal, death, grief, a endless cycle that occurs generations apart yet forever in a circle, as painful as it is to say, Leo is better off with another that will truly love him, he is a victim to the hysteria, twisting what he thinks as love into obsession, I am content with the good ending as heart breaking as it is. But it's for the better
I'm sorry to read that you both are feeling this, same here. I want to be loved, idc if it is romantic or platonic love, even if someone is just using me, I feel love deprived and in pain for physical contact. Have a nice day, whenever you're reading this.
@@warfare__sam4047 in Leo's route he kinda goes crazy for the MC (Chase) and the bad ending involves him accidentally getting the MC legs cut off by a train and then kills one of the ppl your trying to escape with, he then takes you back to were ever it was and yeah his good ending tho is chase telling him they are over and when the all board the train Leo stays behind, chase and the person Leo killed in the bad ending (Kudzo) chase now boyfriend end up going back to see Leo and Leo talks abt how much he's been hurting over and over but then one day the pain went away and he coped with it took off there bracelet and pretty much won't be seeing each other anymore through call and in person they pretty much just want each other to forget each other exists its not a good VN for some ppl cuz of the amount of emotional damage they can experience is just to much so yeah great times😁
@@haihuynh8772 true but like Chase said in Jennas route "We keep each other sane" the biggest problem with leo is that chase refused to talk and leo refused to listen hence they both loose their minds
@@MechanicWolf85 More like Chase kept feeding Leo with false hope and selfishly refused to just rip the bandage off because he’s weak, and Leo kept eating it up and refused to take the hint. They kept each other in a downward spiral, mostly Leo, and the others do not do anything about it, either because they’re hurt by it like Flynn, or out of ignorance like Carl and TJ, or whatever the fuck is going on with Jenna. They kept each other sane, but they’re ironically the source of each other’s insanity.
@@haihuynh8772 So two things, Chase feeds it because he's physically incapable of making a hard choice, in that if he's not close enough to a certain someone's mortal remains that someone wont make said choices for him but still suppresses his ability to make those choices. Jenna *tries* in the beginning that's the whole point of their one on one during the first or second day and likely due to her own flaw (excessive self-assurance) or unwillingness to keep playing life coach, doesn't follow up. (Though depending on the route things go south fast.)
they both got hurt, both were crying all the time, chase hated himself for what he did to leo, leo was too obsessed with chase, forgot about others and hurting them, it was the best thing chase could do in this situation..
@@saccharinesilk Echo made Leo crazy. It is the reason why chase ended this relationship. he was just crazy, and after these two years, he came back to normal, moving on and trying to live without chase, even when he still feels for him. chase said they will meet when he will go this way. Leo said he dont want Chase's number, but they can still text via internet or chase can text to his number, because he probably saved it. im not trying to change your opinion, i think leo deserved better than this too, but there weren't any other options.
@@saccharinesilk Leo wasn't exactly ok in the head either, even before the whole hysteria issue, he was really jealous, controlling, we have the whole breaking the phone issue (using cheating as a "prank" ain't nowhere near ok obviously, still his reaction was way out of boundaries), there's the thing with Micha when he was still a minor and let's not forget about how Chase felt like the "wife" in the relationship, with Leo always being the macho and mostly not validating the otter's feelings and says. In summary both lacked communication skills and general empathy.
@@MasterZero34 honestly the jealousy and controllingness and phone smashing i think are hot, as for micha, if the wiki ages are correct micha was 14 and leo was 17, which is a little sketchy, but not unforgivable. i stand by what i say, chase isn't good enough for leo, he deserves someone better, me uwu
I would have to agree with you, if they talked it out they could actually make it work, and Leo needs to stop clinging to Echo so much so that his mind isn't fogged over and amplified with negatives
@@savagecabbage1184 Even him clinging to Echo feels like an artificial conflict made by the writters. I mean, Leo's family already moved from some other country to Echo and then his parents moved to Pueblo. It makes no sense for him to want to stay so much when the love of his life wants to be somewhere else. It's a very easy concession to make.
@@reyalfa18 Not exactly. They left things vague, like most horror stories do. It seems like everyone is affected differently. But during the hysteria, things go wild.
@@renatoramos8834 I mean it's made pretty clear that is exactly what the entity that resides within Echo does. Leo longs for the "way things used to be," his group of friends together again, but Chase most importantly. He doesn't want to leave Echo, even if it is with Chase because he's been manipulated into thinking that staying there is the only way that he can regain what was lost. Even if it means accidentally or intentionally killing his friends to make it happen. Of course it's illogical, and I'm sure he is aware of this, just like he is aware of Chase's shadow, but due to how his mind is effected by Echo, he is convinced that this is the only option.
I'm not sure if people are joking, but if after playing his route (and the others) you still like Leo and think there's nothing wrong with him, you fell for the trick
I get that he's manipulative and not to mention obsessed, but some people act like he's irredeemable. They could have worked through it if they had more time. It's just fucking echo ruined it.
@@__-ku6lj no he's very redeemable. Think about what you're saying for a second. People change. It's just Leo got so lonely his mind broke down. I can guarantee if Chase confronted it before the hysteria Leo could have been redeemed. It's just Chase's idleness towards the situation forced Leo to go through trauma as he was hallucinating from the hum.
@@renatoramos8834 I'm pretty sure that was the point though. Echo is by no means a happy visual novel, and even every single "good" ending is bittersweet at its very best.
@@StardogFN I'm fine with that concept but it feels like the writters came up with the ending and then wrote excuses to get there. As a reader, I can only work with what's given to me. And there was nothing terrible about Chase and Leo's relationship. Echo operates on the multiverse theory, so just like there's an ending where things go bad, there should be one where they get together.
I'll say this in the youtube comments because I have literally nobody else to say it to. I hate how much I feel like Leo. I feel like my partner, one of the only people who seemed to truly care about me, unceremoniously dropped me from his life one day and took most of our mutual friends in the process. I feel like I have this incurable anger juxtaposed with this insatiable need to be loved by someone, anyone, even if I know we'll probably be bad for each other. I feel like I was largely used by my partner as a symbol for a masculine gay man, but even being used was better than being alone. And I hate Echo. Not because it's a bad game, but because it cut directly into my broken heart with surgical precision and now it just... lives there, festering. Even though it's been a couple years since I finished the game, I still constantly think about it and what it has to say about people like me, like Leo. That trying to help us is the "bad ending", and that the best thing we can possibly do is suffer in silence forever while the "real main character" has their happily ever after. And yes, I know that's not what the game is actually saying, but can you blame me for feeling that way? There is literally _no ending_ where Leo is happy. The only other main character that receives no happy or neutral ending is Flynn, arguably the worst character morally speaking (yes I know he has his own set of problems, but he dealt with them by lashing out at everyone). I just can't help but feel like the world has it out for people like Leo, who are obviously hurting, but expressing it through anger rather than sadness or apathy. And that's not to say that I'm not working on my anger, but... how am I expected to stay calm? I can't throw myself into my work or passions because they're not fulfilling, I can't be social because I have nobody to be social with, and I can't just rely on family because I literally can't talk to them about this kind of thing. Just like Leo, all I have are vices and a job that preoccupies me just enough to keep me from punching my own ticket. The option to "get better" feels like it was written out of the story long before I had a chance to change it.
