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We're diving back into the scary world of internet advice forums today by visiting the relationship advice subreddit! Reddit is always a bit of a haunted house but the relationship advice subreddit in particular tends to be pretty volatile so I'm excited to get into it! What should we talk about next?
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@FeministCatLadySpinster
@FeministCatLadySpinster 2 года назад
"If you just want a hype man, get a dog". Yes.
@Anna133199
@Anna133199 2 года назад
Dogs are the best hype men!
@macgirl1234
@macgirl1234 Год назад
So many people need to consider this option, based on what they expect from their partners😭😂😬
@smockedtop9720
@smockedtop9720 2 года назад
“I got 2 months of therapy and completely changed” *me having completed my 7th year of weekly therapy*: 👁👄👁
@seashotel
@seashotel 2 года назад
try 10
@lisarodriguez6966
@lisarodriguez6966 2 года назад
I hear ya. 30+ years intermittently, for me.
@seashotel
@seashotel 2 года назад
@@lisarodriguez6966 :DDDD
@shayna8324
@shayna8324 2 года назад
🙌🏻 say it louder for the people in the back
@boots1622fan
@boots1622fan 2 года назад
short term cbt works for a lot of people. idr how long it is...
@longforari
@longforari 2 года назад
The guy that insisted to stop smoking weed at the start of a relationship without being asked is such a red flag for me. It turns your partner into the one who "made" you stop smoking despite them not saying anything
@rebeccaplowman6367
@rebeccaplowman6367 2 года назад
It makes me think of the song in Crazy Ex Girlfriend, "All the things I did for you, that you didn't ask for." 🤣
@jemimaaslana
@jemimaaslana 2 года назад
Yes! It establishes an debt that can be used to guilt-trip the receiver of the unasked concession. It's so nefarious, because it can be super hard to distinguish such transactional concessions from stuff that people just genuinely and innocently adjust because they see it's for the best.
@grazielaalmeida8438
@grazielaalmeida8438 2 года назад
It's protection, it would be a red flag if he insisted to make you use weed.
@luisandrade2254
@luisandrade2254 2 года назад
I think she was lying about that considering guys don’t usually turn 180 like that
@HarryDirtay
@HarryDirtay Месяц назад
​@@luisandrade2254accordi g to the story, he didn't. He said he would, used a few times a month, and is using it as an excuse for their incompatability. He claims her not doing drugs is interfering with their relationship.
@SamHaeger
@SamHaeger 2 года назад
Something to note is the age gap of the first couple. I'm not saying age gaps can't work or anything but the fact that he's dating someone 10 years younger and wants her to have the experience level of someone his age for a lot of stuff that is not easy to get into in the first place is giving a red flag for me.
@fruityeva
@fruityeva 2 года назад
Agreed!
@konstancja2973
@konstancja2973 2 года назад
Ohh that realisation that we need to honour our partner's autonomy and individuality was such a gamechanger in my relationship!! It can be tricky sometimes when you catch yourself trying to push your choices on your significant other and make them "just like me"... 🙃
@Kstanimal
@Kstanimal 2 года назад
Me too. A long while back I realized I was obsessed with trying to control little behaviors in public, for instance . It was such a relief when I just, say back and said hey, whatever he wants to do is on him, let him be himself. Lol
@luisandrade2254
@luisandrade2254 2 года назад
Tbh if you don’t share the same interests as your partner and don’t want to be more then just “individuals” your relationship is probably not worth continuing
@07Flash11MRC
@07Flash11MRC Год назад
@@luisandrade2254 "don’t want to be more then just “individuals” ": If both partners agree on being individuals, what's the problem? You shouldn't be in a relationship if you think you need another person to complete you. You are already complete, and a relationship should expand on that.
@sheepylamby7320
@sheepylamby7320 2 года назад
As someone who loves climbing, skiing etc, I’d NEVER go into the backcountry with someone who doesn’t respect my limitations. That’s when injuries and worse happen. Safety is about feeling your limits and pushing into them when you feel ready to. That BF’s behavior is toxic for a romantic relationship and for the outdoors in general.
@My-name-is-Kit
@My-name-is-Kit 2 года назад
I also have ADHD and after my husband being frustrated by my forgetfulness for the first few years of our marriage, I had to tell him that if it's not in writing, I won't remember to do it. To his credit he's been very good about remembering to put things on the calendar or leave me a post it note somewhere I'm going to see it.
@marlyd
@marlyd 2 года назад
Well the 'men expecting women to fit into their lives without putting in any work' just hit me like a tonne of bricks, yet another insight of why I felt like a complete disappointment to my last partner. Thanks!
@pilowprincessgang
@pilowprincessgang 2 года назад
This just makes me feel so much better for running for the hills when my partner kept insisting I should start having children cuz my eggs were getting old at 24..
@tabathaarria9558
@tabathaarria9558 2 года назад
@@pilowprincessgang excuse me he said WHAT 🤢
@FiddlebirdBlue
@FiddlebirdBlue 2 года назад
I was just thinking yesterday how many men put ableist stuff in their dating app bios with stuff like "looking for a woman with a good heart, both literally and figuratively" or "My ideal partner is an adventurous foodie like me, no dietary restrictions BS". The first was probably trying to be funny but it's shitty to loads of perfectly valid, lovely people with a funky valve or congenital heart failure or something! And dietary restrictions aren't bullsh*t and my inability to ingest meat or peppers without becoming wildly ill has no bearing on where I'm willing to go to eat (I often have a light meal before an event/restaurant where I know my options are limited, eat what I can without complaint, and just enjoy the friends and the atmosphere) or how fun that dinner will be. And some of it I read as also being fastphobic, like "must be extremely fit and active" (I'm fit and active but guessing he wouldn't dig my build/size), BUT THEN that guy continued, "because I want a girl who can keep up without complaining", which seems, honestly, both practically dangerous and emotionally abusive. (What if someone is ill or injured and they don't say anything because they don't want to complain to an unreceptive partner, and then your hike ends with a burst appendix or a torn tendon that could have been avoided?? Both of those have happened to people I know hiking!) So yeah, when Mickey said that I also felt the bricks hit lol. Because I was seeing this weird rigidity around so many men seeking women they can just slot right into their lives, and trying to make it clear that's what they want/idealize in a socially acceptable fashion. I'm an abuse survivor and this attitude of entitlement and control sets off alarm bells for me. If the other person is just there for you and to support and accommodate you and you want/expect to do minimal growth/adaptation/work yourself, how much are they really a person to you/? The perceived absolute centrality and superiority of the self's needs and import is the bedrock of an abuser's perspective on life (Source: "Why Does He Do That?" by Lundy Bancroft). I'm not saying every guy who has this approach is an abuser, but you can see how I worry about the precedent being established by a lot of these attitudes and expectations. Which dovetails neatly with what Mickey said about patriarchy dehumanizing women, femmes, and people perceived to be female, etc.
@helenbartlett782
@helenbartlett782 2 года назад
Jeez that first one sounds a lot like a rock-climbing ex that I had - he basically just wanted a climbing partner as a girlfriend and would get so frustrated that I was still new to the sport and making mistakes. It made me feel like I was always disappointing him and not trying hard enough - and that I would be a better girlfriend if I was just a better climber. Mickey's point about men expecting their female partners to slot right into their lives is so real - my ex wanted me to participate in all his hobbies and sports, but would act all inconvenienced if I had the audacity to suggest any of my hobbies.
@julesoyler4306
@julesoyler4306 2 года назад
YES! Oh, you just said it all - thank you for summing-up this for me!
@inkypunk
@inkypunk 2 года назад
Oof yep this one guy I dated liked to cosplay and I don't. He had lots of ideas for me that involved skimpy outfits and full body paint right off the bat. Also just wanting me to go to big family events and meeting his mother literally in the first two weeks. I felt like I was meant to be slotting in and picking up where his ex girlfriend left off, it was super weird.
@kathleensullivanrye5868
@kathleensullivanrye5868 2 года назад
I have an Ex-husband (17 yrs) extreme athlete. We started rock climbing together, but then that’s all he wanted to do… for weekends at a time. Tri-athlete, Long distance cyclist… I couldn’t do or BE enough. Therapy and friends made me realize that he was a complete narcissist!! All the signs and behaviors. Took me 2 years to agree to the divorce. Wow! He put me down ALL the time… especially if and when I did anything better than him.
@SaraxAdam
@SaraxAdam 2 года назад
me too, but she was a woman!
@grazielaalmeida8438
@grazielaalmeida8438 2 года назад
For me it's not a problem to fit in a man's hobbies, since it's gonna improve my life, the problem is when he dictates what I have to do in sex, it's like he is a corn movie director and he wants me to fullfil all his sexual desires, I'm out, I have boundaries and self-preservation when it comes to my body. I would like Mickie to do a video about sexual boundaries.
@breoneal_art
@breoneal_art 2 года назад
The ADHD boyfriend one is very similar to my situation! My boyfriend has ADHD, and as a compromise for chores he does the “regular tasks” like laundry and dishes. I don’t have ADHD, so I do “big tasks”, like cleaning and tidying the house, as well as deep cleaning. It works for us, because I hate those regular tasks 😛 and he gets really overwhelmed by the idea of cleaning the whole house 😄👍.
@pallasitematrix1614
@pallasitematrix1614 2 года назад
I wish that the ADHD ask was handled differently. While advice about how to better manage symptoms can be extremely useful, it sounded to me like he was really struggling with communicating with his wife, and was asking for advice on how to navigate the fact she won't hear/accommodate his needs. I think that any time we're talking anything that is complicated by neurodivergence, it's important to not only talk about how we're managing those symptoms, but how we can make the situation more accommodating to our needs. Because even when we try to manage our symptoms differently, it can still take time to get the correct medication/ for it to kick in, or for us to learn those new habits.
@trueintheory
@trueintheory 2 года назад
especially with stimulants. every single day is different when you take it
@riversrhodell2359
@riversrhodell2359 2 года назад
It's also possible that these things might not actually be able to improve or resolve in the way neurotypical people want them to. Neurodivergent people often have to bend over backwards to accommodate how neurotypical people want things to be done, instead of working out feasible solutions or giving basic accommodations. I have executive dysfunction that cannot be medicated or easily worked through, and I get constantly screwed over because accommodations are considered "optional/unnecessary."
@TheDarwinProject1
@TheDarwinProject1 2 года назад
The ADHD one was legit. That's exactly how I forget things as well & I am a woman with ADHD/Autism.
@rh9506
@rh9506 2 года назад
My partner has adhd and I have autism and adhd. It is SO hard for us to not get frustrated with the traits of the other
@SquirrelRave20
@SquirrelRave20 2 года назад
Same and I'm already on meds so I really feel like people think medication just magically fixes everything. Nope. All it does is help (ideally)
@Roanmonster
@Roanmonster 2 года назад
It kind of stung a little to hear that it might be an issue where men are not held to the same standards as women. I am equally forgetful as that guy and that would hurt so much to hear.
@UnicornUniverse333
@UnicornUniverse333 2 года назад
I'm autistic and adhd too! Most of the world is oblivious to us and to our lived experience wisdom
@BlackReshiram
@BlackReshiram 2 года назад
bitch me too tf legit though its so difficult to just. communicate to my mom for example that im not hiding behind my adhd, and that my brain and my filter and memory literally just work that way. its frsutrating that they just dont seem to want to understand
@angiep2229
@angiep2229 2 года назад
My husband and both of our kids all have ADHD. They all need to be given one task at a time. They can't retain a list of tasks in their heads. My kids' school accommodates this with an IEP. It's a disability and it should be accommodated. This is the reality I live in and I do my best with it, just like everyone else tolerates my autistic special interest in which I work D&D into nearly every conversation. We all have our needs. :)
@heyna1185
@heyna1185 2 года назад
you sound like a really great wife/mother!
@Goat.Cheese
@Goat.Cheese 2 года назад
As a woman with ADHD, I 100% emphasize with the guy in the last post. If it's not one task at a time (or a written list) I literally cant do it! It's ridiculous
@leeferrini1527
@leeferrini1527 2 года назад
Oooof the fact that my mom always described love as “finding your perfect puzzle piece” explains a lot of my issues with and around relationship expectations. I always appreciate your insight on these topics, your channel has been really helpful for my own personal processing and growth
@boots1622fan
@boots1622fan 2 года назад
i guess you can think of it more like... puzzle pieces don't have to look the same to fit together, and they usually don't lol
@raineaslan7819
@raineaslan7819 2 года назад
Daniel Sloss has a special on Netflix about exactly this called jigsaw! I had the same experience and it helped me realize that the "puzzle piece" belief really affects every area of our lives, plus it's a huge part of why we might be more inclined to stay in unhappy and unhealthy relationships. highly recommend :)
@Fiona-68
@Fiona-68 2 года назад
What's up with the wife of the ADHD guy? I been married to a man with ADHD 33years. It's not rocket science. One thing at a time .
@mandyb2245
@mandyb2245 2 года назад
I feel for the guy with ADHD. I have it too and I get forgetful too. His wife needs to be more understanding of his executive dysfunction. It would hurt me too if my SO got angry at me when I forget things.
@courtney3540
@courtney3540 2 года назад
You have to be careful on Reddit. It can definitely trigger tons of anxiety and plant doubts that wouldn't be in your head otherwise. They also really hang onto psychologist concepts like attachment styles and use them as the reason why everything is doomed.
@courtney3540
@courtney3540 2 года назад
@@RP-uu7oq exactly. I also spent days spiraling. You also have to remember people are on there to troll as well.
@FundieFridays
@FundieFridays 2 года назад
You make reading reddit comments more tolerable lol
@MickeyAtkins
@MickeyAtkins 2 года назад
LOL the highest of compliments! Thank you 🥰😘
@imaginechi7677
@imaginechi7677 2 года назад
@@MickeyAtkins have you checked out r/askatherapist?
@charlespentrose7834
@charlespentrose7834 2 года назад
On the ADHD one I have to say that even with medication I have significant issues with executive dysfunction. Medication helps, but it only does so much so telling someone they just need to take pills to fix themself isn't a good answer. (And sometimes people have reasons why they *can't* take medication - my brother can't take stimulants due to hypertension.)
@dalailarose1596
@dalailarose1596 2 года назад
I have ADHD, & memory problems led to abuse by multiple stepmothers, & watching my dad experience abuse, including physical, for the same things. So I don't totally love the interjection of gender politics there? I get the point, it just might be hitting too close to home.
@megzasaurusrex
@megzasaurusrex 2 года назад
That's how I felt with my ex husband. He just wanted me to follow him around like a dog and never complain or want anything else. It was so hard to explain it to him because he just got defensive.
@everfluctuating
@everfluctuating 2 года назад
that guy talking about wanting to get back with his ex like "shes perfect for me, but i think shes lying about having a date to make me jealous, she always used to do that when we were dating" 1) shes probably not lying, she probably has moved on and has found someone else 2) if she is lying, its probably because you keep harassing her and you wont take no for an answer 3) if shes lying and it *is* to make you jealous (unlikely tbh)... why would you want to go back to dating someone like that???
@firelily0529
@firelily0529 2 года назад
I was doing my finances and internally freaking out over how much money I'm putting into therapy. But you and your video is a great reminder of why I'm doing this and that therapists are human with a livelihood, too.
@Selene_Rosara
@Selene_Rosara 2 года назад
I was thinking about something similar to the concept of going to therapy to "get better" and be a "better person" just so someone will date you. It's similar to after a breakup going on a diet or going to the gym to work on your "revenge body" so that your ex will realize they made a horrible mistake in leaving you. You're not doing the work for yourself. You're doing it so the other person feels guilty or jealous of the fact that you're "so much better" now that they're gone.
@Cookieeata
@Cookieeata 2 года назад
yeah it was funny how his idea of becoming a better person and less toxic was becoming a gym bro... like no dude
@grazielaalmeida8438
@grazielaalmeida8438 2 года назад
I don't like when I have a boundarie and a partner wants me to go to therapy only to let go my boundarie. People that hate your boundaries are people that benefits from your have none at all.
@SomeoneBeginingWithI
@SomeoneBeginingWithI 2 года назад
With the ADHD partner, it sounds like his working memory has a capacity of one item. That is a real thing. Some brains are like that. It is possible to have therapy in childhood to increase working memory capacity but it is extremely hard work, and very tiring for the child. I don't know whether it's possible to do that kind of therapy as an adult or how to access it. I don't know whether stimulant medication would help with working memory capacity, I think the need for extra dopamine/stimulation is a different problem to low working memory capacity. I know Mickey's background is in social work, a therapist with a lot of training in psychology might be able to comment more on issues with working memory in ADHD.
@marshmallow4646
@marshmallow4646 2 года назад
I feel like if his wife just made him a list it would help a lot 😅 at least for the things that don't need done right away, and they've been together a while...she shouldn't ask for multiple things at once if she doesn't want to be frustrated....the husband seems like he's trying
@SomeoneBeginingWithI
@SomeoneBeginingWithI 2 года назад
@@marshmallow4646 Yes exactly. There are practical ways around this, and it sounds like he's already doing a good job of that on his end. He's just asking his wife to recognise that he needs to do things differently because of how his brain is, and to participate with that just a little instead of being disgusted when he isn't able to do things like a neuortypical person could.
@jenellelynn4551
@jenellelynn4551 2 года назад
Yup, I have ADHD and I forget things exactly the way he described. I have a whole system to help me not forget things. It partially involves a whiteboard that I brought with me when I moved in with my boyfriend, and asked him to write things on there instead of asking verbally (if it's not an immediate thing). And visa versa, I write things on there for him so I don't forget to ask him. It works great. The fact his partner completely refuses to adjust in any way to accommodate for his neurodivergency is a red flag imo
@bretthansen3739
@bretthansen3739 2 года назад
@@marshmallow4646 I completely agree about the list. That would be a much more effective way to get the help around the house she wants than trying to guilt him into not having ADHD. I've never found shame or depression to help my working memory one bit. Post-its, on the other hand...
@trueintheory
@trueintheory 2 года назад
i was looking a comment like this haha. i disagree with mickeys take on this one. as someone who has adhd, stimulants are no joke. i would much rather find a method that works with my partner than take medication with terrible side effects. i personally don’t think it’s right to ask someone to take medication. the guy seems like he knows what works for him and i feel like that’s the first step and it’s totally something the couple can compromise on.
@od3910
@od3910 2 года назад
The last one brought up some stuff for me. It's a hard one cause whilst the power dynamic between men and woman could definitely play a role here I think people don't know about the power difference between neurotypicals and neurodivergents. It's a bit more complicated as most of the population is neurotypical therefore not many people have first hand experience of this, but there is a sort of power dynamic. Neurotypicals expect certain things from others. It is assumed that a basic task for them will be a basic task for others. To the point where if someone doesn't meet their expectations then they are doing it on purpose, are rude or just lazy. Neurodiverse people have always been expected to adhere to the neurotypical world. We work on their time, whether or not its impossibly fast or terribly slow. That expectation, and constant failings to meet that expectation, can lead to a lot of different mental health issues like low self esteem and anxiety. It means that most of us bend over backwards to accommodate neurotypical people, even if what they are asking for is unreasonable even by typical standards. This person's account is really familiar to me. Trying to explain what your limits are, stretching yourself thin to accommodate the other person, then being scolded for not being able to keep up with them, the previous conversation about limits be damned. Obviously, I don't know if that's what is going on here. You can, of course, be neurodivergent and an asshole. I have many a time. But I thought it might be interesting to chime in from a neurodivergent perspective on the subject. Just like you, I see a lot of red flags, just in a different area.
@heyna1185
@heyna1185 2 года назад
i totally agree! I'm a trans man so i was socialized and treated as a girl for most of my life and i have experienced my fair share of sexism. However i feel like (to me, I'm not saying this is a general experience) the power dynamic between neurotypicals and neurodivergent people is much more impactful than the power dynamic between men and women. A lot of the time, my neurodivergence is weaponized against me (usually unintentionally but sometimes people refuse to understand despite me explaining things multiple times). There are a lot of expectations thrust onto women in relationships that are very unfair and damaging but being neurotypical makes me vulnerable to being manipulated, shamed and abused a lot more than being seen as a woman. I truly believe it is unintentional for most people but it's maybe even worse that people generally know so little about neurodivergence and how much it affects you. They don't understand and don't believe me and make me out to be the bad guy while i struggle to even articulate what is going on. I am (perhaps quite obviously) coming from a place of being deeply traumatized by this and i don't want to invalidate anyone else's experiences/trauma. So, again, this is just my experience and my take on things and not what i believe every nd person experiences.
@od3910
@od3910 2 года назад
@@heyna1185 same honestly. I've experienced sexism but I feel like there's a big difference because of that knowledge gap. We talk about sexism and how it affects individual people and groups and generally have a good understanding of it. But no one really talks about neurodivergency. Most of the time people think the best way to deal with neurodiverse people is to make them act like neurotypicals which is a terrible idea. I've developed a lot of issues with that including lots of problems with dissociation. So yeah, it's kind of hard to say which one is worse (I don't really think oppression works that way) but it's certainly not understood as well which comes with a plethora of extra problems. The trauma is real.
@VibingMeike
@VibingMeike 2 года назад
I have never been in a relationship, but since I was early I have a little bit of friendship advice instead and I'd thought It'd be fun to share it! As someone who is often quiet, I don't want to make my friends feel like I don't care about them if they text me or want to talk to me, but then I don't respond or I'm just quiet because I either have no energy or just feel like being quiet, y'know? I'm sure I'm not the only one who feels like this. What helps me is sending short texts to my friends once in a day/week if we haven't seen each other in a while. My friend understands that I have a very low energy level and doing activities with much people, and even two people can be exhausting. And while she is more outgoing than me, she also likes doing small things or having small conversations. So sending short texts or messages, or even doing small activities in calm spaces can be great for both you and your friend if you also feel this way
@hwoods-kg1jf
@hwoods-kg1jf 2 года назад
I am kind of the same way. I'm bad about answering calls, texts and DMs sometimes because of my mental health issues as well as physical disabilities/health issues and I generally just feel drained a lot of the time from struggling constantly and I just don't have the energy to deal with people sometimes. I also hardly go to any social gatherings/events because it tends to stress me out and drain me and I find the entire time I just wish I was at home by myself just relaxing and doing what I enjoy during the day which is usually watching RU-vid and browsing social media. My boyfriend of 12 years has the same issues as I do so he totally understands me so I'm lucky in that aspect. The only person I talk to on a daily basis through the phone is my mom. Everybody else I really don't like talking on the phone with. I'm just not a phone talker. If you got something to say to me, just text or dm it to me (unless somebody is dying or dead, don't call me basically lol) Also I LOATHE Facetime calling. I never answer when somebody tries to Facetime call me!
@estellerose9900
@estellerose9900 2 года назад
I have the opposite problem, I would happily talk to my friends 24/7 but ofc a lot of them would find that extremely draining. A good strategy I've found is using Instagram stories etc to share what I'm doing, and my friends love just replying to that when they feel up for checking in 😂
@jongkittae
@jongkittae 2 года назад
regarding adhd in the instance of a romantic relationship (or any relationship honestly) as someone who's had adhd for my entire life (as you do lol) I've been medicated for the last ten years or so (as an adult, I wasn't diagnosed until 18). and truly I function SO MUCH BETTER on adderall than I do without it, but I also know that not everyone with adhd can take stimulants (maybe it conflicts with other meds etc) and also even if they are able to take it, I've learned that it might not work for everyone anyway, depending on their needs and the specific issues they have regarding the disorder. as someone with adhd, who has a lot of experience living with the disorder (and because of that, done a lot of research on it for my own personal interests) but who does not have the restrictions mickey does of being a professional, I would say that while medication might be a valid option for that person, I've found it more helpful to be explicitly clear with everyone I interact with regularly (friends, family, co-workers, etc) and just tell them hey my brain works a little differently than yours and I want you to know that just because it may seem like I don't care about certain things (for example if I forget important dates or tasks) it doesn't mean that I do not care, sometimes my brain just sorts things into boxes and instead of neatly labeling them and putting them on a shelf to deal with later, my brain might choose to chuck in the recycle bin unlabeled, never to be heard from again. and the really important part to understand here, is that I have NO CONTROL over which things my brain chooses to deem "important," so getting angry at me (or someone with similar issues) is not only unlikely to actually change my behaviour (as it's kind of just part of me as a human) but it's also very likely to make me feel unnecessarily guilty and shameful about it. much like the guy on reddit who expressed that he felt "like a toddler." that really hit home for me. and I wanna tell anyone reading this, if you have adhd, and you need extra help to get shit done (like phone alarms, reminders, other people in your life even) that is okay. you are valid and your feelings are valid and you are a full grown human, not a toddler. don't let anyone tell you or make you feel like you aren't enough because of something you can't control. I know you're struggling and I'm sorry for that suffering but I believe in you and I support you. 💕
@boots1622fan
@boots1622fan 2 года назад
my issue with the 'just take stimulants' thing is that sometimes medication doesn't work. it didn't work for me. not to mention, i don't think that poster disclosed whether or not they were medicated, so people just assumed that they weren't. there are some things you can do to work on it without meds tho. i mean, he could at least get his wife to give him a list of tasks, and if it's not convenient for her, he could take the notes himself. i don't think that it's right for his wife to make him feel bad for something he can't always control, but there are things he can do to keep track of tasks. ADHD is a nightmare when you live with someone who doesn't understand it or respect your limitations. She doesn't have to be ok with him messing up, but she should be ok with supporting him and helping him work through it, i think.
@MintyFarts
@MintyFarts 2 года назад
its not ridiculous to require accommodations for a disability, which ADHD is. the issues hes having is working memory mostly, executive function plays hand in hand with inertia and hyper focus or fixations.. I am the same way, I'm a flippin scientist and working memory can be a problem. I write things down a lot and when ppl ask me for things I make a point to repeat back to them the requests.. it's difficult when ppl just assume ur being a pos on purpose and dont try to their end to meet you.
@kaylamd8570
@kaylamd8570 2 года назад
I don’t like the assumption that many people including some neurodivergent people make that we need to fix how our brains work. There’s nothing wrong with focusing on one task at a time or having a smaller working memory than others. Trying to fit into a neurotypical box will make your life worse not better.
@SuntannedCactus
@SuntannedCactus 2 года назад
True facts!! 👏 Plus medication - if you are someone who is able to choose that - isn't some magic bullet that will make you NT or delete your executive functioning struggles. It *might* improve some areas (for me this is true), but we still need to meet people where they're at, not constantly tell them they're not good enough and that they need to simply try harder. Honestly not a fan of Mickey insinuating the last person might just be a lazy husband, because my ADHD is super similar to his, and my working memory is actually so trash that I can hardly count past 10 without losing track. 😅 Please take things one step at a time with ND people if they tell you they need that.
@SomeoneBeginingWithI
@SomeoneBeginingWithI 2 года назад
It's especially awful to try to fit into a neurotypcial box around your partner. Some people have to mask at work to keep their jobs, but when you get home you should be able to be yourself. He's just asking his wife to communicate with him in a way that works for his brain by giving one task at a time. She shouldn't be shaming him for forgetting the other item she asked for when she already knows that's how is brain works. That's not too much to ask from a long-term partner.
@Shortkingharry
@Shortkingharry 2 года назад
It's like...write down a list? You can't expect someone to do "better" and not be willing to meet them where they are. My wife has ADHD and if I need her help with multiple tasks I write them down for her, and try to practice patience and letting the "small" stuff go (socks being left on the floor type of things)
@HarryDirtay
@HarryDirtay Месяц назад
Omg ​@@Shortkingharrylists are so important. Even if one could juggle hundreds of little details why the hell would they want to waste the energy? I do punchlist carpentry and warrantee work. I live by the lists😂
@MithMathy
@MithMathy 2 года назад
I think the algorithm recommended this video because of all the mentions of ADHD in the comments 😂 I'm a high-achieving woman recently diagnosed with ADHD, in my late 30s. I have been in lots of therapy with therapists that didn't pick up on it because I didn't fit the stereotype. One thing not mentioned that I wish would get more recognition is the *emotional sensitivity*.. I can get so lost in my emotions (hyperfocus on the thing troubling me) and certain approaches just do not work for me and make me feel worse. I recognized myself in the guy in the second one talking about not being able to eat or sleep. I was once told that perhaps I was being manipulative when I was trying to work through something after things ended with the only person I've ever dated. I was shocked and so hurt, and it brought up all the other times I've been told how I'm doing things wrong. In retrospect, it's kind of like when people say a toddler is being manipulative - we're not trying to be, we just do not have the same level of social and emotional development as other adult people! It especially hurts when you already know that about yourself and are literally right there trying to learn. Being told that felt like falling down an elevator shaft emotionally - I felt so utterly worthless and broken. In a place I thought I was safe, no less. With that guy in the post, I know that sometimes it really could be a tactic, but just as probably, the guy might actually need help not hyperfocusing on his perceived failures. I think it's better to phrase that as pointing out that the other person in the situation might *feel* they are being manipulated by him rather than to suggest or accuse the person of being knowingly or even unknowingly manipulative. Added bonus, it also gives you a better place to start working from - because understanding how others feel & changing your communication is possible! And it's not manipulative in itself to want to communicate better. (Though in this case, I think the guy is probably better off moving on and practicing his new skills in a new relationship.) Also, I would just repeat how hard that kind of situation can be for us undiagnosed folks because it really can feel like if we just learned how to *be different* things would work out. We don't know we're neurodivergent yet, but instead have internalized years/decades of messages about all the things we need to fix about ourselves to become acceptable & then of course think this is yet another such situation.
@linseyspolidoro5122
@linseyspolidoro5122 2 года назад
Both my partner and I have ADHD, I became more organized as a coping strategy and he is less so like that but he is better at deadlines, paperwork, etc. It is so interesting how even having the same nuerodivergency we have been impacted by the differences in the socialization of men and women. For one, I was diagnosed after high school while he was diagnosed as a child. He is a lot better now after making the issue clear but keeping a mental tally of everything that needs to get done is so exhausting. So I understand the frustration of like, there are dishes in the sink: you don’t need me to ask you to do them, just do them.
@pointerpowered5566
@pointerpowered5566 2 года назад
Me daily: I wonder if Mickey watches / what she thinks of psychology in Seattle🤣 thank you for answering my burning thought question!
@tenb5191
@tenb5191 2 года назад
oh so happy you mentioned Psychology in Seattle! I consistently watch both of your stuff :^)
@CoreenMontagna
@CoreenMontagna 2 года назад
22:54 I don’t think this is a fair take at all here. I also have ADHD (I’m a cis woman and AM on stimulant medication) and everything this guy wrote was so true to my own experience. Sometimes, no matter how hard you try, your brain just cannot do certain things. It sounds like this man has done everything he can to meet his partner more than halfway and she simply doesn’t accept that he is neurodivergent. He’s more than willing to do the things she asks, he just needs her to ask him to do so in specified ways. He’s done the work to figure out why this is a problem for him and to come up with solutions that will work with his brain (setting reminders, asking her not to interrupt one task with a request for another). It’s unreasonable, and really hurtful from experience, for her to turn around and say it isn’t good enough. A respectful partner doesn’t make you feel like you are a child just because you have certain struggles they don’t share or care to understand.
@pystoph3987
@pystoph3987 2 года назад
I agree (though I do get where Mickey is coming from). It's frustrating because people will tell you that you're just lazy or not trying hard enough or leaning too hard on your ADHD because it looks that way on the outside. I often feel like I have good intentions and want to be better but I can't do anything about it because my brain won't let me do *anything*.
@lizl1407
@lizl1407 2 года назад
I am also a cis woman with ADHD and I agree with you here. It felt like from the post she read that this guy really WAS taking accountability and doing everything he could to adjust to his wife's expectations, so I think Mickey's comment about "work on yourself" is out of line and ableist when applied to this guy in particular (what kind of "personal work" exactly would cause you to improve your short-term memory such that you don't have ADHD anymore??). However I agree with her that there are plenty of guys out there with ADHD who DO use it as an excuse not to be a full partner in the relationship. It just doesn't feel accurate about this guy. As women with ADHD we probably identify strongly with his struggle to mask his symptoms and accommodate neurotypical expectations. Really he's not asking for much! Sounds like he would have been willing to go upstairs again and again one task at a time - it was the disappointment and disgust coming from his partner that he really objected to.
@nicoleallen3079
@nicoleallen3079 2 года назад
I’m very ADHD with intense linked OCD. I’m 45, and I’ve been in therapy since I was 6. I’m on medication, and this is going to be the best that it gets. I’m wildly forgetful to the point of completely forgetting entire conversations, jobs, plans, and loved ones important cancer surgeries. Yes, I completely forgot that my mom had cancer and was getting surgery until my dad called and said everything was good. It’s a real thing. I’m not lazy, although I’ve been called lazy my whole life. It’s like your brain holds your body hostage until it feels the mood is right. There’s no rhyme or reason. With the added bonus of rejection sensitive dysphoria, any criticism can be incredibly negative. I just want to add in my 2 cents that the guy with the adhd seems like he’s really trying to communicate. There are a lot of people out there that refuse to believe that adhd is an illness that is never going to go away.
@SomeoneBeginingWithI
@SomeoneBeginingWithI 2 года назад
@@lizl1407 Yes. This. I have a slightly different diagnosis (atypical dyslexia) and I did have therapy as a child to improve my working memory. It was exhausting. I'm glad I had it as a child because it has made my life easier, but I would not wish that level of exhaustion on an adult. I don't even know if it's possible to do that kind of therapy on an adult brain, or how you would access it as an adult. I know that "work on yourself" is usually appropriate for therapists to say, but in this case you're basically saying "fix your brain to conform to your girlfriend's expectations" and that's really not a fair expectation. "please give me tasks one at a time" is a reasonable accommodation for low working memory capacity. I don't think he's lazy, and I don't think this is misogyny/patriarchy. I think he's trying to ask his girlfriend to communicate in a way that works for his brain.
@shy2infinity
@shy2infinity 2 года назад
I've never been diagnosed with ADHD, but I was genuinely surprised by how true to my own experience that story was, so I also don't believe it's fake. I also have trouble doing more than one thing at once, no matter how much I tell myself to do the thing, sometimes it just doesn't stick. Sometimes if someone gives me too many things to do at once, while I'm already doing one thing, I have to struggle to not break down. Hell, I have executive dysfunction to the point that if I have multiple things I'm supposed to be doing, sometimes my brain just flat out refuses. Meanwhile, if you give me one thing to do at a time, I can do it. I've been called lazy for it, but it feels borderline painful to do things that my brain doesn't want to do. Do some people use their neurodivergencies as an excuse? Maybe. But sometimes, neurodivergent people just need accommodations, sounds like this guy just wasn't getting the accommodations he needed.
@SeymourDisapproves
@SeymourDisapproves 2 года назад
I just watched Mickey vid about Paul and Morgan, and Mickey's beginning of the video partner high five was a thousand times more natural and sweet than any high five the fundie couple has ever put to film lol
@butterbeanqueen8148
@butterbeanqueen8148 2 года назад
My ex husband wanted me to watch him mow the grass, wash the cars and when he was watching sports expected me to actually watch it with him even though I was sitting on the couch reading a book next to him. I told him I didn’t expect him to watch me clean the toilet, wash clothes or cheer me on while cooking. He said it wasn’t the same. Any wonder that he’s my ex? 🤣
@Blue-iv5fv
@Blue-iv5fv 2 года назад
Can you react to Criminal Minds season 3 episode 18? half of it is about this woman who kills her husband after years of emotional abuse and the abuse shown in that is... not the kind we talk about usually (it's gaslighting , manipulation and complete control over the victims life making them unable to fight or run or even ask for help) Please please please react to it. i want to know what kind of outcomes can be expected from a victim of abuse who had been going through this for decades as i don't think many end up killing their abusers but i can see many killing themselves. you can add even more "subtle looking but horrible all the same" abuses from other movies and please talk about short term vs. long term abuse and how it messes with the victim's mind
@justrachel4496
@justrachel4496 2 года назад
I appreciate that Mickey is a mental health professional and I'm not, but I find the response to the ADHD question concerning. Imagine if the question was about a visible physical disability instead, such as only having one arm, and the question was how to deal with his partner repeatedly demanding he carry more items than he could possibly hold. Not being able to remember more than one task at a time is no different, and expecting anyone to do something they aren't capable of because of a disability is always ableist regardless of the genders involved.
@HonorWillow
@HonorWillow Год назад
Definitely. Plus they sound very functioning. I'm not going to say that for definite as I'm not in OP's mind but it sounds like they have ways to cope and be able to do things, but just need to do them one at a time, which isn't exactly that hard to respect
@bobberry1463
@bobberry1463 10 месяцев назад
Not really because you can learn and adapt. People treat mental disabilities like a weakness when in reality it the opposite.
@justrachel4496
@justrachel4496 10 месяцев назад
@@bobberry1463 Any disability is a weakness, that's literally what disability means. Being able to learn and adapt while being disabled does not, nor has it ever, meant you're not disabled.
@bobberry1463
@bobberry1463 10 месяцев назад
@@justrachel4496 autism and adhd are consider a disability but is actually better than a lot of modern people
@emmykay3185
@emmykay3185 2 года назад
the first couple is AGGRESSIVELY colorado
@topotondo828
@topotondo828 2 года назад
UGH! the first question reminded me a lot of my toxic relationship… partner made a huge deal about me not being into his stuff, and made me feel guilty for liking the things I like. Didn’t see me as my own person with my own interests. Just wanted someone to validate his own identity
@somegeese
@somegeese 2 года назад
Mickey: we should be doing therapy for ourselves, not for getting someone else to Give Us The Thing Me: joke's on,,, someone, the best stretch of therapy I ever had was when DCS forced me to go, and I put in the work to receive praise from my therapist. Oh and I guess I got a lot of emotional literacy and personal growth out of dbt and I'm a much happier person or whatever
@annapruitt5546
@annapruitt5546 2 года назад
Well yes, people can be a good kick in the ass to get you there because most people get pushed into starting therapy or going continually. But like we have to do things for ourselves still. And you are getting value out of it for yourself. Not pretending to be better to try to get something out of someone. Hopefully the guy in this post would be able to stay in therapy and realize what he is doing is still toxic lol
@somegeese
@somegeese 2 года назад
@@annapruitt5546 it was a tongue-in-cheek moment, my dude, did you need to really Well Actually it?
@draalttom844
@draalttom844 2 года назад
If you're not going to seek what you're dog likes don't get a fog or any animal or friend
@SomeoneBeginingWithI
@SomeoneBeginingWithI 2 года назад
Yep. Even dogs are individuals and deserve better than "you being scared in this genuinely dangerous situation is embarrassing for me, we're not compatible"
@Shamazya
@Shamazya 2 года назад
In that second thread I get the impression that we're not exactly being given the full context but even within what we're given there are some things worth pointing out. For one, I have a difficult time believing that if you're a toxic person that going to therapy for a couple of months is going to fully resolve those issues. I'm sure you can make some big strides but that's the kind of work that I'd expect to take time to fully take hold. And there's something kind of contradictory. So, let's say it's true that she lies about dates to make him feel jealous and get a rise out of him. If that's true, can you really say she's your dream girl? Because trying to make your partner feel jealous seems a little toxic to me. And I think it goes to show that there's still more work to be done because jealousy comes from a place of insecurity and he has nothing to be insecure about here because they are not in a relationship.
@nykole1963
@nykole1963 2 года назад
Just gotta love the ablists too that never help because "Well IIIIII did this by myself, so you NEED to do it yourself". Alright. Next time you guys need your place cleaned, or you need someone to rant to, or want someone else to drive, you can fucking do it. I did it myself too. Good luck.
@jenloves4260
@jenloves4260 2 года назад
This comment isn’t about the topic. I just want to tell you, as a mom of 5 including a trans a woman, non binary child, bi sexual child, questioning child and an 8yr old….I adore your very seemingly automatic inclusivity language. Thank you, I strive to do that every day and it can be hard. But it’s so so important, so thank you.
@Elle_Riley
@Elle_Riley 2 года назад
mickey: "my voice is hoarse now so we're going to be done" me: Bye Bye Horse!
@katharinaweber9413
@katharinaweber9413 2 года назад
The first story really hit home for me because I have felt very frequently while dating that men wanted me to just slip into their lives instead of making room for me. My current relationship is the first time I felt like a man wad trying to make space for me in his life. I thought it was just a me thing.
@marlyd
@marlyd 2 года назад
"This one is written by Kyle on Love Is Blind" girl you are killing me today
@tmofvb7653
@tmofvb7653 2 года назад
Watching your videos while I clean on Saturday mornings is the best part of my weekend routine. Thanks for the work you do :)
@hannerikruger7216
@hannerikruger7216 2 года назад
Wild😂 I know time zones exist or whatever but watching her is my Saturday night routine😂
@bretthansen3739
@bretthansen3739 2 года назад
If the last story had been about a man in a wheelchair being accused of being too lazy to take the stairs, would you have brought up his gender? Seriously, "maybe he's just lazy" was a pretty shitty take when discussing someone with ADHD. Sure, he could be lying, anyone on reddit could be lying at any time, but the situation he described is exactly how ADHD is known to work. If he's like most people with ADHD, he's probably spent a good portion of his life being called lazy and having his motivations questioned by people who are supposed to love and support him, piling on is gross and ableist. I have ADHD myself, and this response was really hurtful and disappointing. I promise, everyone who shares my condition that I've ever talked to about it (men, women or neither) would happily trade a few extra chores for better working memory or less executive disfunction.
@kaylamd8570
@kaylamd8570 2 года назад
Exactly
@dangerbirb4981
@dangerbirb4981 2 года назад
She's not saying he is or isn't lazy, she's exploring different avenues for what it could be. The prevalence of people with adhd and these symptoms is real just as are partners who practice weaponized incompetence to try to get out of responsibility.
@bretthansen3739
@bretthansen3739 2 года назад
@@dangerbirb4981 If the partner were I a wheelchair, would you be openly speculating about whether their refusal to stand was weaponized incompetence? It could be, I know of one case of it. I sure as hell wouldn't though. The same applies here. A person with ADHD acting exactly like a person with ADHD is not the time to speculate about weaponized incompetence.
@kaylamd8570
@kaylamd8570 2 года назад
@@bretthansen3739 Not to mention every description I’ve ever heard of weaponized incompetence is super ableist. People not doing things that are extremely mentally and/or physically painful for them is not weaponized incompetence.
@bretthansen3739
@bretthansen3739 2 года назад
@@kaylamd8570 To be fair, I think weaponized incompetence is more common in some social circles than others. I have a lot of people with invisible disabilities in my social group, so it's nearly always ableism when I hear it too, but I don't want to assume that's universal.
@user-in4ep2ci9f
@user-in4ep2ci9f 2 года назад
Yep that first one sounds exactly like my ex, the “compatibility concerns”, the “anxiety”, I was so worried about his feelings and anxiety that I didn’t notice I had no space to just be me instead of being like. his arm
@user-in4ep2ci9f
@user-in4ep2ci9f 2 года назад
To be clear he probably does have anxiety, but he Also framed his complaints as fears in an effort to get me to be more sympathetic to them, which he admitted to
@jessemiller4953
@jessemiller4953 Год назад
the "men wanting women to just fit into their lives with no change to themselves" really sounded like the plot of how i met your mother where ted only wanted the absolute perfect lady and nothing less.
@jenniferp1026
@jenniferp1026 2 года назад
kinda late to the party... but regarding the last couple, think this is an issue that will be coming up more cause of covid. My husband didn't really have any issue, just a fever for a couple days and the covid toe thing like a year after, but I got to have all the things and approaching 2.5 years and still having cognitive issues. As part of the long covid clinic I was even evaluated and diagnosed with a cognitive disorder that makes it so I cant focus on more than one thing. Been trying to navigate it, but kinda hard since I was neurotypical through out our relationship, but now if he starts talking to me when I'm doing something all I register is that someone was talking to me when I finish. He gets frustrated sometimes, but usually it's me that gets frustrated and can be a little short because I can't do things anymore and I will lash out. Something I am trying to work on. Does seem to be a rather common issues among long covid people, so imagine it will be coming up more in therapy moving forward.
@areyno7
@areyno7 2 года назад
I feel like Mickey was being ableist when talking about the man with ADHD. Similar things happen between my partner and me. I'm neurodivergent and non-binary, and my partner is non-neurodivergent and agender. Mickey talks about people with neurodivergence growing and evolving or taking medication to not have these symptoms. Neurodivergent people shouldn't have to grow and evolve to fit the non-neurodivergent world. Neurodivergent people are not a set of symptoms. Our brains work differently, and sometimes we need accommodations in relationships. Mickey also said some ableist things about ADHD and Autism in her diagnosis video. I think she should avoid talking about neurodivergence until she is about to speak to neurodivergent people and educate herself. Also, I know this sounds mean. It is difficult to hear someone you enjoy watching say ableist things about a group you belong to.
@kaylamd8570
@kaylamd8570 2 года назад
Yeah I agree. Growth for a neurodivergent person does not include acting or becoming more neurotypical.
@SomeoneBeginingWithI
@SomeoneBeginingWithI 2 года назад
Yes, her input on the ADHD one really wasn't helpful or within her expertise. I know that her background is in social work, so that's probably why she was focussing on the "take responsibility for working on yourself" but that really isn't appropriate in this case. A therapist with more training in psychology would probably have immediately recognised that his working memory has a capacity of one item. That's a real thing. Some brains are like that. It's not misogyny or patriarchy to have working memory capacity of one.
@natalierose13
@natalierose13 2 года назад
Oh god, I’m autistic and have ADHD and all these comments are making me really scared to go any farther with this video….
@KaylaKasel
@KaylaKasel 2 года назад
Not to dismiss your concerns, but I do think it's important context to acknowledge that Mickey herself has said that she has ADHD.
@SquirrelRave20
@SquirrelRave20 2 года назад
@@KaylaKasel I mean, that's all well and good but ADHD presents differently in different people, and it's still ablest to act like he should take stimulants asked work on himself just because it's not her experience of ADHD. I'm on stimulants and I still have the same kind of issues this guy has, as others in comments have said as well. So it's pretty shitty to assume he's not doing his best.
@louise6268
@louise6268 2 года назад
"having a stranger reading you to filth about everything that's wrong with you and everything you need to change" is how I'm going to describe therapy to people now
@ErisIsAnAbomination
@ErisIsAnAbomination 5 месяцев назад
Story 2 really gets me because I’m SICK of men treating women/femmes like collectible objects that need to be acquired or “won back”. Honorable mention to the idea that self-improvement should only be done to persuade a woman to get back with you, and not because… idk, you ACTUALLY need to improve yourself for YOU?
@roguestowl2280
@roguestowl2280 2 года назад
Can confirm, my dog is the best.
@lemonlimedotnet
@lemonlimedotnet 2 года назад
As a female presenting person with ADHD, i feel a lot of these comments taking major issue with Mickey's take on the last story are frustrating. While I do agree that bringing his gender into question and speculating whether or not that was a factor in his struggles was a bit dismissive, i think the repeated take of "we shouldn't have to conform to NT standards, he needs to leave her if she doesn't accommodate every single issue that his ADHD causes" is extremely problematic. It would be wonderful if relationships were as simple as the NT partner understanding every single thing us NDs do and accommodating us as such, but that simply just ISN'T how a fair relationship works. What I got from Mickey's statement was "they might want to discuss a different type of compromise", and a lot of people are interpreting that as "he needs to conform to NT standards". I don't think those two sentiments are mutually exclusive at all. I think there is a major difference between CONFORMING and ADAPTING. Personally, I really struggle with time blindness. Among all the executive dysfunctions I suffer from, it definitely effects my relationships because i tend to be chronically late to everything given my lack of perception of the passage of time. My partner and I carpool to work, and my time blindness would frequently make it so we were late leaving. My partner expressed that this frustrated him as he didn't understand why I couldn't just get out of bed and get ready as quickly as he does (He's also ND, FYI), and my default response was to remind him of my time blindness and how that's not in my control bc i felt slightly attacked. I had to take a step back and realize however that my lateness makes it appear as if I don't value/care about other people's time. It would be wildly unfair of me to just shrug my shoulders and say "well that's a factor of my ADHD and Im not conforming to NT standards, sorry". There is room for compromise without conforming! In the aforementioned situation, I didn't just go, "okay, I'm going to do exactly what you said and jump out of bed and rush to get ready" to conform exactly to what he wanted from me. I also didn't tell him to just put up with my time blindness bc its not 100% in my control. I didn't have to do this next thing, but since i had the money and felt like it would actually help me in several aspects in my life, I invested in the cheapest apple watch to keep me aware of how much time is passing when getting ready (note, this is not the only reason i bought the watch). I also could've just used my phone, but personally, having the watch on my wrist at all times makes it much easier for me to keep up with. I honestly just have it set to go off every five minutes so I'm moving at an acceptable pace when getting ready. This is what I mean when I say "adapt" vs "conform". One of the major things that helped me with my exucitve dysfunction was finding creative methods of keeping myself on track. It doesn't read as NT and may be super unorthodox, but it helps me keep myself accountable for things that have an effect on others around me This was super long and really turned into an essay, but yeah. I don't entirely agree with every thing Mickey said, but i think objectively (as a concept in and of itself, not necessarily even pertaining to the reddit post) the idea that everyone should just have to put up with the issues executive dysfunction causes is really damaging, in my opinion of course.
@SquirrelRave20
@SquirrelRave20 2 года назад
I don't think the issue is that we think we shouldn't have to try to work with NT people. Just that it's not cool that we have to ALWAYS bend to their wants and needs and if we don't we're the AH even when we're trying really hard. Which is exactly how the wife in this story is behaving. She's basically saying "just be NT" and that he's a jerk because he can't just BE that. He's asked her to compromise. He's explained how his brain works and the kind of accommodations it needs. She just wants him to not need those accommodations and do it her way. And all of us have some area where we can adapt all we want and we're still not going to get it right all the time. For me it's cooking and being on time for shit (I not only have time blindness but I have trouble paying attention when I'm reading things like my calendar or written directions.) Again, I don't think any of us are saying "Never adapt!" But most of us have been punished for not conforming and it really does feel like that's what's happening here. So dismissing it as possibly being weaponized incompetence when that's the kind of label we've been hearing all our damn lives is triggering AF.
@shrodzmartz
@shrodzmartz 2 года назад
Ok but can I piggyback on the suggestion of watching Dr. Honda's stuff on the Psychology in Seattle channel because his analyses are nothing short of MASTERFUL
@kater.potater
@kater.potater 2 года назад
LOVE these types of videos! Super interesting to hear what people post online and then hear a professional break it down
@frncsk6488
@frncsk6488 2 года назад
To my fellow ADHD'ers upset with Mickey's opinion. This isn't meant as a rant; i see your frustration with how neurodivergence is dismissed and i feel it, and i hope you can also find space consider my opinion. I completely relate to the husband's experience as an ADHD'er too, and how y'all have interpreted his reddit post. If the wife is not willing to be accommodating, esp when this man is TRYING, that's weird and ableist, and I hope he finds someone who treats him how he deserves. This is my take as a random person with ADHD hearing this story. However, I think Mickey, as a therapist and public figure, is justified in her own take- she hasn't met these people and is solely operating off of the husband's account. I'd be remiss not to point out we haven't heard the wife's understanding of the situation. Our only info on this conflict that affects two people, is comprised of the husband's perceptions...which is a problem, because a relationship is more than one person. I don't mean this in some nefarious way, or to cast aspersions, just in a very basic way, that he is speaking from his own point of view, and in general forming a conclusion off of one perspective is probably not going to go very well, even if that perspective is 'true.' I think Mickey is keeping these caveats at the forefront, and mentally approaching it more so from a couples therapy framework, (which is a fundamentally different paradigm than that of a random layperson commenter (like me)), which in my understanding, seeks to support all parties, in as unbiased a manner as possible. If they were her clients irl, i think she would want to hear from both of them, and also work to understand what their dynamic is like in other areas of the relationship. On a personal note, it is true in my experience that men are generally held to a much lower standard in many aspects of relationship "work," and i'm sure she's witnessed it in her practice. By calling that potential pitfall dynamic out to viewers, she's alerting those who might recognize aspects of their own experience in this example, as well as bringing sociocultural understanding to the situation (something that a lot of therapists are not educated on). Patriarchal underpinnings affect so many things in our day-to-day lives. Anyway, I'm going off on a tangent. Basically i think it's a good thing she called this out as another possible layer. Like, it can be both of those things- the ADHD struggles I'm sure are very true, lord knows this man sounds exactly like me; there also may be some 'yikes' dynamics at play between the husband and the wife that cause tension (and could even be the true cause of the wife's frustration). We as ADHD'ers do have legit brain struggles; that doesn't make us exempt from social messaging, or mean that we should not approach issues involving neurodiversity and relationships with nuance. Essentially, my point is that neither we, nor Mickey, know these people. What Mickey is evaluating here is the equivalent of one person's journal entry- we're only seeing through the husband's eyes, and have no outside or verifiably factual information. The saying goes that the truth lies somewhere between what two people say, right? Mickey is operating off of that, that there's more information that she just doesn't have. She didn't choose 'sides' nor did she diminish the husband's perceived experience. ...I kind of feel like we didn't watch the same video because Mickey's *not dismissing* the ADHD impacts-- she's also not dismissing the possibility of relational gender-norms (which impact how we behave and what we believe) playing a part. That's the best she can do as an outside observer publicly reacting *as a therapist* who has read a single internet post and has no real knowledge of the situation. So without further information, and without being their actual therapist, Mickey is justified in remaining neutral and representing multiple possibilities/solutions. That's *literally* her job. I honestly think she did great with advocating for the husband, while still holding space for the wife.
@Pa5an1
@Pa5an1 2 года назад
As an aroace who has never been in a relationship, this stuff reminds me why I don’t want a relationship. So much could go wrong or be messed up and I’m not someone who’s at their best when around others. And I wouldn’t even gain anything from a relationship. Like, where are the advantages of having another person in your life?
@happytofu5
@happytofu5 2 года назад
don't you have family in your life? A relationship does not have to be romantic or sexual. Friendships and families can also be full of relationship problems.
@Pa5an1
@Pa5an1 2 года назад
@@happytofu5 Family and friends don't live at your place, sleep in your bed or mess up your home though. And when they visit and misbehave, you can ask them to leave. With a partner it's more complicated :D
@xxBreakxxAwayxx3
@xxBreakxxAwayxx3 2 месяца назад
Im aroace/poly and ive had this thought too. Its soooo exhausting and difficult to socialize most of the time. That said, there ARE a ton of benefits to relationships (plutonic or romantic). Humans are social/community creatures, even if that means your local zoo or stuffed animals, we get a chemical release from sameness, empathy, and (some kinda) contact. Not saying you'll always love it, but your body will still undergo this process in some form when you are around beings you choose to invest time into. There is also the financial/stability aspect of having someone to check on & support you. Things like splitting grocery costs, having a safety buddy for errands or sports, having someone to report you missing or text your location to when you go to meet a facebook market seller. etc. Having community & support helps is regulate ourselves because we can build a sense of place, belonging, normalcy, or sense of purpose. You dont NEED other humans to do this, but it is 100 times easier to move furniture or afford rent when your companions include humans who respect & value you. animals are also great tho.
@ItsLexy
@ItsLexy 2 года назад
That first guy basically wanting to date his own shadow. Dude yikes.
@spriddlez
@spriddlez 2 года назад
At lot of people in these comments are on the side of the guy with ADHD and from that post I'm inclined to believe he genuinely does do his best to work with his neurodivergence. But having been the neutrotypical woman married to a person with ADHD who was socialized as male (she is not male but at the time she was as far as I knew) I did not know how to handle the situation where I was doing ALL the emotional labour of running a household and no matter how many systems we tried to help her, she could not remember to do even basic household chores. I literally had to go "okay I can ask her to do one thing a day. what is that one thing I choose today" and just hoped she remembered and did it. Except I was the only income earner and needed more support than "one thing a day". Maybe it is abelist - it's not my place to say - but I do appreciate Mickey pointing out it is not as simple as "ADHD person needs support and appropriate accommodations for them". Of course they do but it still is a relationship between two people - a partnership - and we have no idea what the wife in that situation was dealing with.
@lindensalter6713
@lindensalter6713 2 года назад
The second post the dude is in therapy but still going to Reddit for relationship advice? Dude ask your therapist that won’t only tell you you probably need to learn to let her go but also help guide you through your personal process of doing so
@gnagerutstyr5886
@gnagerutstyr5886 2 года назад
Am i the a-hole? I went to couples therapy and discussed an episode where my partner touched me inappropriately while we were sleeping. I will specify that he was sleeping and just having an animated dream. He does not remember it at all. I have previous sexual trauma and this episode made me relive that experience. I explained this to him and asked my partner to clearly ask for consent before touching me for a while so I could mentally prepare for it. He felt like he was being punished for something he didn't have control over and got angry at me. We explained this to our therapist and I felt like she took his side. She comforted him and told me my trauma is my burden to bear and that I should work through it so he doesn't have to compromise his sexual satisfaction when he is not at fault. Note: we were still sexually active, just less spontaneous. I don't feel like I was being unreasonable. 🤷‍♀️
@Meyli1
@Meyli1 2 года назад
Yo I'm not a therapist but 'compromise his sexual satisfaction'?!?!? Fuck no. He's capable of giving himself satisfaction, if that's all he wants from you. Your trauma is yours, and he as someone who loves you should support you in healing where he can. Asking for consent for ANY kind of touching IS OK. That's not asking too much. That's asking for basic decency.
@Shortkingharry
@Shortkingharry 2 года назад
I'll hold off on judging your therapist because often what is said and what we hear arent the same, and with such a sensitive subject it would be easy to misunderstand the meaning. While it is your "burden" to work on your trauma, that in NO way means you should be pushed into an uncomfortable situation for a partners needs, Neither should he feel punished for an unconscious mistake, if your therapist isn't helping it's fine to seek someone else out, you both deserve to work past this. Hope you both find resolution
@dangerbirb4981
@dangerbirb4981 2 года назад
You should always have the right to have consent for anything having to do with your body for any reason, even if your triggers are your responsibility to handle.
@elinacara974
@elinacara974 2 года назад
4:46 real ted mosby energy
@Shortkingharry
@Shortkingharry 2 года назад
Aw, I love that you shouted out Dr Honda, I can't recommend his channel more, it's like a workbook for starting to work on yourself and have the self awareness to seek therapy.
@aquafractalyne1764
@aquafractalyne1764 23 дня назад
The one guy who got 2 months of therapy saying he changed so much, but proceeds to list getting muscles and a raise as if that shows his mental health and behaviors have changed at all
@grimmgoosegoose216
@grimmgoosegoose216 2 года назад
Thank you for the video Mickey!
@motorcitymangababe
@motorcitymangababe 2 года назад
Stopping at 5:07 cause i want people to know- i 100% feel like my person just bumped into me and clicked like a lego- were hs sweethearts who have been toghether for almost a decade. But guess what? Its work guys! Its not a rom com where everything lines up perfect and we are clones with a gender swap. We are attached at the hip and from the outside may appear like that holy grail perfect fit- but we are flexible and respectful. Like that couples rock climbing is our gaming- i am a noob and my bf is a hardcore gamer. But he doesnt expect me to keep up with his fast paced team og buddies who have been building a basis of understanding with each other since grade school. My inability to do fpsers isnt a risk to our long term compatability. He expressed wanting to share his hobby with me, i expressed my concerns about being a drag on his fun- and he found shit we could play together that implements MY strengths and interests (art and storytelling) so we play pokemon snap and i watch lore videos for elden ring with him. And vice versa hes not a cook but i am and also like sharing my hobbies- so cooking is now a learning activity thats a giant game. You cant be compatible long term with anyone if you are expecting them to snap into your lego but you dont wanna snap into theirs.
@victoriasela6865
@victoriasela6865 2 года назад
ADHD guy sounds like he’s really putting in the effort! I’ve known people with ADHD who used it as an excuse to just absolutely shit on every commitment. They never put in effort. But this poor dude is doing his level best and his wife is being a biatch. Just my opinion I’m not a therapist or a doctor
@alisonh
@alisonh 2 года назад
this is a great video!! lots of good information and interesting thoughts. nuance is definitely our friend. thanks Mickey!
@Mindsetolympics
@Mindsetolympics 3 месяца назад
I love this dark hair look
@P.O.T.S.andPan
@P.O.T.S.andPan 2 года назад
I only got back with my ex because he tried to unalive himself and said he would again if I didn't. He aslo had my self esteem so low I thought no one else would ever love me (because he literally told me no one else would). Awful times.
@Gafafsg
@Gafafsg 2 года назад
Tbh, as a guy with both mental illness and neurodivergency, it felt like you took every opportunity to shut down the feeling of hurt and shame of the people in these situations. Not to say that any of them are necessarily in the right, but it left a bad taste in my mouth. I know that you have personal experience with ADHD, but I think it’s important to say that speculating on whether or not someone is using something so hard to deal with to get around taking responsibility is incredibly hurtful, especially when you’re not in a situation to know them personally. I don’t know, it was just really uncomfortable to watch this video because it felt like you weren’t taking any of the people who were clearly hurting very seriously. I guess that’s more of an issue with the subreddit reaction format, but nonetheless.
@SomeoneBeginingWithI
@SomeoneBeginingWithI 2 года назад
Yeah. I'm not a man and it bothered me too. When a person is distressed, or disabled or neurodivergent, it's really shitty to assume that they are just faking or over-exadurating it to be manipulative or make excuses. Some people do use "oh I'm so upset you have to do what I want because I can't cope emotionally". Women do it too. That doesn't mean they're not actually in emotional pain. You don't know what they're feeling. The one with the ADHD sounds exactly like low working memory. It sounds like his working memory has a capacity of one item. That's not something he can just choose to "do better" at, it's how is brain is. He's asking his wife to communicate with him in a way that works for his brain, by giving him one task at a time. That's healthy and a totally reasonable thing to ask for with low working memory. It's not misogyny or patriarchy to communicate with your partner about your disabilities. Sometimes people are disabled or neuordivergent and need you to communicate with them differently. Sometimes people are genuinely emotionally distressed and don't know how to cope with that in a healthy way. It is shitty to automatically assume that they are faking or lazy or being purposefully manipulative.
@Gafafsg
@Gafafsg 2 года назад
I’d like to clarify that I didn’t mean for this to be hurtful either, and I understand why these situations were talked about in this way and why I, as a disabled person, didn’t take it so well. I felt the need to express that, but I am really sorry if my tone read as aggressive or accusatory in any way.
@simplybet8104
@simplybet8104 2 года назад
I'm not sure I agree with grouping together men, "people socialized as men" and "masc-presenting people". Trans women are often grouped in with "people socialized as men" and like, society teaches everyone of all genders that women exist for men, and I think trans women dont interpret that message the same way cis men do. And as for "masc-presenting people"...well, I don't think masculine women and nonbianry people are more likely to objectify their partners than anyone else. Certainly not as likely as men. I know people like to use terms like "masc-presenting" or "socialized as male" to be trans inclusive but sometimes the most accurate term is just "men" Otherwise, I love the video :)
@SomeoneBeginingWithI
@SomeoneBeginingWithI 2 года назад
Structuring your language to imply a binary between "women" and "people socialised as male" suggests that you think people assigned male at birth can't also be women. That's the opposite of trans-inclusive.
@SquirrelRave20
@SquirrelRave20 2 года назад
@@SomeoneBeginingWithI I feel like you didn't read the comment you're responding to
@SomeoneBeginingWithI
@SomeoneBeginingWithI 2 года назад
@@SquirrelRave20 I think I did read it, but maybe I didn't express myself very clearly. I agree with simply bet that Mickey's language is actually worse at including trans people than just using "men" and "women" as categories.
@fruityeva
@fruityeva 2 года назад
Just discovered your youtube channel!😊✌🌻
@karlab95
@karlab95 2 года назад
As an autistic woman, the last one made me itch a little. Thank you for the insight, Mickey!
@MsBirga
@MsBirga 2 года назад
I think learning about and trying the things your partner enjoys is one of the best things in a realtionship. Introducing your partner to your hobbies and interests is so much fun (and hot 😏)! Although it is completely fine and important (!!!) to have some activities for yourself. I figure that these unrealistic ideas of what a partner should be like is a product of how relationships have been portrayed in our culture and media with the partner being your "significant other", the "missing puzzle piece" to your life, the person you want to be with all of the time. It took me a lot of years and therapy sessions to learn this myself. My life does not and should not revolve around my partner, I am my own person. Also, the comedy special "Jigsaw" by Daniel Sloss (on Netflix) dismantles the puzzle piece metaphor in a great way imo.
@rishaa682
@rishaa682 2 года назад
i couldn’t agree more about your response to the first post
@jyt74
@jyt74 Год назад
11:56 YES
@SotraEngine4
@SotraEngine4 Год назад
I have Aspergers and might have mild ADHD and I struggle to keep my space clean and tidy enough. I forget foods in the fridge, which spoils, and when I am in stressful periods everything is a mess around me I sometimes feel lonely and can get a bit clingy, but I try to work on myself in these regards Several spaces list these as red flags and, tbh, I am not entirely sure I would have liked to date myself I do have a wonderful boyfriend and I wanna improve for both of our sakes
@faresburwag8841
@faresburwag8841 2 года назад
‘stir up their insides and make them excited-‘ *camera cuts* Yeah, I wouldn’t have been able to keep a straight face either Mickey.
@klaythoring1326
@klaythoring1326 2 года назад
Would love to hear your take on the Iranian yogurt!
@julesoyler4306
@julesoyler4306 2 года назад
Girl, I really like your videos. I think you are so insightful and I really like being part of your community. One thing...... You talk so fast! I find myself starting to have anxiety trying to keep up with your words. It would be so nice just to enjoy your conversation. You have so many good thoughts and I think you have so much to share but you start talking so fast.... Please consider slowing down. Thank you!!
@LeeLeetheCat
@LeeLeetheCat 2 года назад
You could always turn down the playback speed and see if that helps :)
@dopex89
@dopex89 2 года назад
The guy that did a crash course of therapy, but actually talked about how he got promoted and gained 50 pounds, and then falls apart when the girl doesn't want him anymore... Honestly, it's so sad how we are taught that these things are the ultimate self improvement actions, especially for men, but evidently it just makes us feel worse when that doesn't work. He's probably thinking, this is the best I can be, and she doesn't want me? There must be something fundamentally wrong with me. It seems he is now worse off than when he started....
@SomeoneBeginingWithI
@SomeoneBeginingWithI 2 года назад
Yeah. I don't know what he was working on in therapy, but it sounds like he is still suffering a lot emotionally from the rejection. It's normal for breakups to hurt, but maybe not that badly? It sucks that the focus for men is so much on external markers of achievement and being attractive, rather than internal emotions and sense of self, bad memories from childhood that cause issues in adulthood ect.
@CB-jg6xg
@CB-jg6xg 2 года назад
Very much enjoy this content :)
@skyzenk13
@skyzenk13 Год назад
Can you react to Couples therapy on showtime??
@owlcake
@owlcake 2 года назад
Reddit told the ADHD guy to take stimulants. I have ADHD and my psychiatrist refuses to give them to me 🙃
@thalmorbiznitch4028
@thalmorbiznitch4028 2 года назад
The thing that frustrates me is the benefit of the doubt is almost never given to femme or afab people even if they struggle with the same executive function issues. We are just expected to overcome. But I also feel like it IS necessary to put forth WORK to make sure you aren’t inconveniencing people in your life all the time. I think it matters more the work you put in, instead of just being like “well this is just how I am”. I (afab) adhd, so does my partner who’s a man. But somehow I’m still expected to be the household manager despite having adhd as well. I literally can’t afford to forget stuff because my partner does. So like if he forgets he’s just forgetful but if I forget, something important didn’t get done. If you have adhd, it’s your job to do what you can for your functioning and that includes relationships. It’s your job to find a system that works. Maybe that means being texted a list so you dont forget, or you writing down a note on your phone so you don’t forget everything. To be clear, you’re still going to forget stuff. But I feel like my biggest issue with that last guy was “well this is just how I am and how my brain works” with the expectation that his partner has to just bend and work to how his brain works and there’s no suggestion or ask of meeting half way. And that tends to fall along gendered lines and it’s often a trigger for anger with me, as an afab person with really bad executive function issues.
@kaylamd8570
@kaylamd8570 2 года назад
He’s already meeting her 90% of the way. He’s explained how his brain processes multiple tasks and asked her to only ask for one thing at a time or to make a list. I get that as a woman I don’t get the same benefit of the doubt as a man that is neurodivergent in the same way, but that’s a societal flaw. The solution isn’t to harm neurodivergent men/masc people.
@SquirrelRave20
@SquirrelRave20 2 года назад
@@kaylamd8570 exactly. I'm single. I drop the ball on majorly important shit all the time. I'm getting better at it now that I'm diagnosed and medicated, but I absolutely would describe it as if I forget it just doesn't get done, and I'm a woman. You need to recognize that the pressure of "I have to do it or it won't happen" being unequal is pressure you're putting on yourself because of how we're socialized. The fact is if you weren't there he'd still forget, and it wouldn't get done and it would suck. But he would deal with it. Because that's what I have to do. He's lucky that you're more competent in that area and can back him up. But it doesn't necessarily mean he could so better and just isn't because you're there. It could mean that if he was single he'd be constantly having to fix problems caused by all the shit he forgot.
@PolarBearAngels
@PolarBearAngels 2 года назад
I think the first advice really stuck with me, as my partner and I recently ended our relationship after trying to work on it for a long long time. So it's great to hear that my thoughts and opinions are in line with what a therapist would recommend. I felt that my partner did not acknowledge my positive individuality and embrace me for it. It was just brushed off for so long, so it's nice to think that I'll find someone who will honor my autonomy and individuality and embrace it, rather than be very blase about it.
@BlackReshiram
@BlackReshiram 2 года назад
oof the last one is painfully relatable to me, except i had a similar situation with a (now former) friend of mine who quickly grew to use this trait of my adhd against me to gaslight and guilt trip me and the abuse has still fucked me up to this day.
@pilowprincessgang
@pilowprincessgang 2 года назад
I really wish I found your videos when I was with my ex or beforehand so I would no he checks every red flag box there is .. how do I get you as a therapist ik we couldn't be friends but you just got all the good vibes an your advice is so helpful an logical an a breath of fresh air. 🦄💖💌
@MsAsh3070
@MsAsh3070 2 года назад
Very much not a therapist at all but as a receptionist for a few therapists including a couples therapist, it sounds like a couple of one on one therapy sessions might also be helpful in that situation.
@armetta99
@armetta99 2 года назад
You’re always beautiful, but in this video in particular you have this happy glow and look gorgeous
@MissHazeleyed96
@MissHazeleyed96 2 года назад
I liked the commentary, but the content wasn't really reflective of the title. I thought you would be also reading the advice redditors gave, then explaining why it would be good or bad, rather than reading the title/content and giving your own advice.
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