Therapist Reacts to SPIDER-MAN: INTO THE SPIDER-VERSE 

And I just realized that this is the first Spiderman that has both parents and they are good solid people, so he doesn't have a tragic backstory. Not that Uncle Ben and Aunt May aren't good or even great parents, but they aren't Peter's parents, so there's already a generational wound that has to be dealt with and depending on what he knows or what is known about their death, Peter is likely dealing with abandonment issues and triggering loss, just for a starter. Miles is not only the first Spider person of color, he is the first person who is emotionally WHOLE when the spider bites. And about damned time that we see a hero who doesn't come from a broken home!

@@marieroberts5458In this movie, yes. The thing is in the comics Miles loses his father in a similar way that Peter loses Uncle Ben. The PS4 games shows this as well, the difference being that like you said Miles had Peter to guide him through what Peter had to suffer through alone for the most part.

And you can see when Miles jumps takes his leap of faith that his hands were still stuck to the glass. Instead of letting that hold him back he just pushed harder and broke the glass as he jumped. He was still scared and he didn’t even have full control of his power but he embraced it and jumped anyway. Such a fucking powerful moment.

I just re-watched this movie not too long ago, and I realized that moment when his father apologized and had a "talk" with Mike's, that is when Miles recognized his full potential. And that is great parenting AND being a great leader!

This here is the real tipping point for Miles, this scene makes me bawl everytime.

well, you can still be ready to take the leap of faith, but the fact remains that no matter how ready you feel, it's still gonna be terrifying. And that's okay! It's okay to be scared of the jump as long as you take it

He was still holding on to the glass. He was still afraid. And he still took the leap

@@TheNukedNacho Exactly. I've heard it attributed to a few different people, but I love the quote, "Courage is being afraid, but doing it anyway."

goosebumps every damn time

I love the way Cinema wins talked about it: Miles isn't falling into new york. The shot was upside down on purpose, so that Miles is RISING. The metaphorical and literal framing is so amazing and I always smile like an idiot.

And gwen is such a prime example of how closed off and unemotional woman doesn't equal girlboss. The charecter felt like people rather than charecters.

Peter B Parker's emotional vulnerability has my entire heart (towards the end of the collider fight congratulating Miles and then immediately saying "do i want kids?" 😭😭😭)

@@HayeJosie and it comes out so satisfying with her journey in becoming emotionally vulnerable in the sequel. this is how you write a passionate female lead this is how you attach romance subplots to woman love interests this is exactly how you string along a secondary hero’s journey parallel to the main character’s!

@@finnvost9349 and he isn't even being vulnerable. He is just being 100% real.

@@HayeJosieGOD YES!!!! kind of late reply sorry for that but im SO tired of male writers pandering to that whole girlboss trend and making emotionally closed-off invenerable women, same for those psuedo-feminist writing that honestly just pushes gender roles further. it seems like writers who want to write “strong women” make them traditionally masculine, aka toxic. emotional venerability should be a strong trait in general!!! building walls and being closed off isnt strong at all!!!

After all, courage is not the lack of fear but the persistence through the fear. It’s the fact that you keep doing something when you are afraid that proves how courageous you are!

Oh, I adore that moment. "That's all it is Miles, a leap of faith". Is truly inspiring, it's what most of us want to do. Break the barrier, smash the glass panes. Miles is scared but he is, willingly taking a risk. That is a superhero! Be it a normal person.

“Courage with out fear isn’t courage its just easy”

omg that just changed the way i see that scene entirely...

And the real touch is how it isn't Miles who brings it up. Aaron he himself says this because he SEES it that way.

Aaron's sadness at letting down the person who looks up to him, the family that reminds him most of his brother...that one breaks me.

@@msk-qp6fn Aaron not Alan

@@msk-qp6fn it's fucking aron

You guys should also watch del toro's pinocchio

I'd like to add an additional observation: The one major difference between the two scenes is that Ultimate Peter (Pine) wove through construction scaffolding, reminiscent skyscrapers that we're used to seeing classic Spider Man swing through. But Miles weaves around busses, light rails, and other traffic as we saw him doing even before he got powers. Peter whips himself around a relatively rigid and stationary world while Miles flows through a world in constant motion.

It's not just that move either. So much of what Miles does in the finale is things copied from or taught by each of his several mentors/role-models throughout the movie. The leg-sweep, the swing round the machine, even the shoulder touch. It's all him adopting and adapting the lessons he's been given and making it his own.

It is also seen in the way his "web-swings" through the city. His original Spider-Man and Saggy Peter were almost exclusively swinging with their webs, Miles incorporated a ton of parcour moves, and that was not just because he was not yet experienced with webbing, parcour was just his and his uncle's favourite mode of travel.

o.o

Oh my God, I never noticed that!!

We've all done that lol 😂 Like approaching that hot girl in class 😂

The cutoff with the music as well😭

i got chills just now oh man

When Miles jumped off the building and we see the buildings in those distorted-lens angles, how much more difficult was it? Did it take longer to complete than other scenes? Or was the real time sink the noir spiderman's scenes?

@@EclecticFruit I'm sorry I don't have an accurate answer for you in regards to the distorted-lens. That camera animation and choice of lens used was done in pre-visualization/layout department and then it comes into the animation department (where I was) for Miles to be animated. So Miles' animator had very little say on how the camera was done. Though I'm sure pre-viz/layout spent a good deal of time getting the buildings in the right place. Honestly, if I recall correctly, a lot of time were spent on Spider Noir's scenes, yes, but the scenes I remember spending the most time undergoing revision hell during reviews were Miles running across the taxi holding onto a passed out Peter B. Parker, Uncle Aaron's death scene, Peter and Miles swinging after they got the cpu, Miles' mom talking to Miles in his room while he pretended to be sleeping, among a very long list of other shots. It took the respective animators for those shots weeks - 1+ month to get those approved. 🥲We averaged less than a second a week of approved animation while animating.

@@jennykong2060 did you have to work on scenes that never got approved? Deleted content etc? If so, were there any in particular you're passionate about and wished they kept in the movie?

@@alexisgarcia5352 I had a sequence of shots I worked on that was cut 🥲, and a full scene that I didn't work on, but another team of animators did that was also cut. It was one of the sequences I teared up during internal viewing, and as much as I wish the director's kept it in, it wasn't needed for the movie. They made the right choices in the editorial room, and though the shots were great standalone, it would have taken away from the story telling. There were also a bunch that were storyboarded and never even made it to pre-via/layout, let alone all the way to animation.

On average, what was the number of shots assigned to each of the animators? Does it depend on how long they've been involved in the project?

I LOVE this saying. Stealing it. Thank you.

Ohhh that's a great saying. I'm definitely gonna remember that one.

Especially with the FOMO and insecurities that social media can cause, that's definitely Highlights vs BTS. Never heard this before, but I love it!

I needed to hear this.

This is beautiful!!!

if any of you think this is a sad comment "the first time". past tense it got better lesgooo probably

Hugs man. That scene makes me tear up too. I love how they use the fact that miles can't speak to make his father believe he's holding a grudge. And his father doesn't get angry or leash out, but he humbly explains himself and basically let's Miles go. It's such a good storytelling trick

I had pretty much the same thing happen to me!

Same man

I was a guy who didn't have a dad so it hits harder.. He truly loves him for who he is or whatever you could be. He believes in his son and that breaks my heart

I find that this is something that most people don't talk about.. how powers are influenced by personalities and yet it shows up over and over in stories with powers.

it’s literally fight or flight, i love it

Its also applicable for like which powers he uses. When hes really scared and out of his element he uses the invisibilty stuff, with only a few bursts of electricity coming in. Until the end when hes fully knows what do with his creative energy and he is able to use it when he wants

I LOVE THIS

I KNOW RIGHT???! XD even when blondie peter didn't get to actually teach miles, miles still learned something from him, so he DID teach him something my heart

And I’d never noticed that til this video. Ugh I love this movie so much!

I love that little detail.

That’s how I took it too when I saw it in theatres. I was like, “oh! He’s copying the first Peter we saw!”

@@LocalAceAJ oh wow, you caught that first watch? I didn't notice until it was pointed out to me haha, and now on subsequent viewings I love seeing it

@@8unnylover I think it was a scene that just stuck out to me when Peter A first did it, so I was able to recognize it within my first viewing that Miles copied.

@@LocalAceAJ thats awesome :D its also only now occurred to me that he's Peter A to contrast Peter B thats hilarious lol

Okay so this is a known fact huh, I just noticed it now while watching this after Gwen and peter B had that "did we teach him that" talk. I was like wait that move looked familiar

She literally says "Took you long enough." lol she was just waiting, she knew he was coming. What I like about that moment is that Aunt May doesn't know Miles personally. She doesn't know what he's going to do.... but she knows Spiderman... and Spiderman was gonna show up.

​@@KS-xk2so She is by far the best Aunt May ever. Loved every scene she was in

Same! ❤ When she says "Took you long enough". She means that she knew he was ready. Subtle but beautiful.

@@thejaded I think you meant unorthodox rather than unethical, I don’t think Mike’s style is morally wrong 💀

Miles is also more familiar with running than the other spider people, so he tries to maximise running instead of web swinging. You see it especially in across the spiderverse when he's escaping the lobby. He knows he's not as good at web slinging so he avoids it and instead runs/climbs wherever possible.

Oh, that's a cool detail!

AND the move that finally defeats Kingpin is one he learned from his Uncle Aaron: "Hey..." (granted, that's also a unique ability that Miles unlocked for himself)

Aww wish I’d read this comment before I made mine haha 😂

It’s not Chris Pine lol! It’s Jake Johnson from New Girl 😊

He was taught, just not the way we imagine being taught. Anyone can be a teacher without even knowing it. When someone looks up to you, there's a chance they're also learning from what you do and how, especially if you're someone like spideyboi huh

Absolutely. He's still scared and can't let go, but he throws himself off the building anyway. It's such a beautiful detail.

There’s a RU-vid channel called Sideways and he does a great analysis about how the music illustrates this arc as well. Highly highly highly recommend.

@@oliveb5768i LOVE his breakdown of this movie!!

There is also the detail of how Miles gets to the ceiling in the climax, where Peter B and Gwen say they didn't teach him that, it's the exact method Miles' Peter got up there in the first act. Where Miles is learning, not just from the people who taught him, but the people he idolized too; that even though he is more confident and more of his own individual, he is still filling Spiderman's shoes and trying to fit his hero's shadow. It's a great acknowledgement of personal growth while admitting he is still a kid with some growing left to do. It's also a great moment of Miles picking his mentors and his lessons, learning what he needs to know and making it part of him.

It’s one of the (infinite) reasons why this is one of my favourite movies of all time!

I totally love it, and also very important: THEY ALLOWED PETER TO GROW! Peter Parker started as a kid years ago, many of his fans are already dead, I am 30, let the character break out of being 18 and hooking up with every female character that comes near him... Seeing him as a father figure was magical.

Preach, Peter B and Miles' mentor/student relationship is the best part of the movie.

Another cool thing about Miles is that is one of the handful of spideys who is an artist, rather than a science person.

👏👏👏well said!

Your comment just made me realise something... As a hero, Spidey can be hit and miss. With a lot of misses when not written very well. But as a mentor, Peter always excels! And through the exact same things that can easily make him annoying: his self doubt, sometimes reaching into self-pity, his occasional dislike of the responsibility he can not help but hoard, his "I'm so funny hahah" wit.... Not only will he feel the immediate responsibility for the wellbeing of his mentee, It all means that no matter what his pupil is telling himself, Pete has told himself much worse. Butt then talked himself out of it, so he knows what works. And that he knows that sometimes you need a soft hug, sometimes you need a thumbs up whole playing catch, other times you need your legs swept so hard your body inverts momentum and you fly up in the air.

Great take :)

@@kristynab.6539 thanks!

One of my favorite differences between Peter and Miles is their motivation for becoming a hero. Peter never chose or wanted to be a hero. Peter wanted to make money wrestling and become famous, he was so full of himself that his selfishness caused Uncle Ben's death. He became Spider-Man out of guilt, a sense of obligation, and it showed. He doesn't embrace it, he constantly complains about how much Spider-Man is ruining his life. It took years of character development to finally take him to a point where he actually embraces being a hero, not out of guilt but because he wants to do good. Miles is the complete opposite of that, he ENJOYS being Spider-Man, he LOVES being Spider-Man and he sees it as a privilege and an honor. While it doesn't come without its burdens, he embraced his responsibility and saved people without question because that's what Spider-Man would do. What took Peter years of self-reflection and trauma to accept, Miles accepted almost instantly. Miles will one day become a better Spider-Man than Peter ever could, and nobody will be more proud of that than Peter himself. I firmly believe that Miles has the potential to become the next Nightwing. In the next 10 years, we will see more Miles fans than Peter fans within the comicbook space, and maybe even beyond, as Miles is getting the adaptation opportunities Nightwing could only dream of having (his own game and movie for example).

​@@BombasticCatman Miles in the comic has little in resemblance to the miles depicted in this film, but that is beside the point. We have no idea of what Miles' Spiderman's origin story is. We know the Remi film's origin story and many comic version story, but not this Spiderman's story. Which is just fine, we just need to acknowledge we know nothing about this Spiderman other than he was well-liked and died. I think a key thing in this film's Spiderman is that this is a kind-of-sorta passing of the torch, but it is difficult to tell. We have another Spiderman, and whatever his origin story is, who acknowledges and mentors Miles. Miles is a good kid, but also stands on the shoulders of the previous Spiderman, using him as a role-model. A role model Peter didn't have. Peter Parker literally defines what it is to be Spiderman to Miles, as he is that world's first. If we accept that both original Spiderman has the same Uncle Ben dies story( we have couple reason to believe they share the same story), then that changes a few things, I think. Does that excuse Peter's selfishness? No, and it costs Peter as you point out - but these are two different characters with different temperaments, backstories, and family relations. I think the enjoyment of the two stories comes down to which you enjoy more: Peter: A person who isn't inherently virtuous, but learns to be better through effort and errors. Miles: A person who is inherently virtuous and has a role model in the previous incarnation of Spiderman to further help guide him. There is nothing wrong with either of these story lines, but to say that one is "Better" than the other seems a point of subjection based on the execution of each story. We also don't have a great idea of how Miles views being Spiderman in 'Into the Spiderverse" as he's been Spiderman for a couple days. It has impacted his life, but he hasn't had a chance on screen to really internalize it. We'll get to know him more in the second one, to which I look forward to.

I cried during the leap of faith scene it was just the perfect culmination of everything he's experienced up until that point

DAMN RIGHT

Agreed, it's such an iconic line!

That line has nothing to do with miles’ character though. He’s never shown to struggle with taking risks

@@PristineWhens ah there's the downer right on time

@@TheRibottoStudios yup, here I am. Ready to ruin everyone’s day by stating one harmless opinion. My job’s done. Goodbye.

Yay miles fans

Yup. I work in a primary in a city in the UK. This film really hit some of the kids hard, one especially really needed it and he just seemed to grow so much on seeing it. Of course he dressed up as Miles on our fancy dress day.

​@@parmavee it's wonderful to hear about these characters having real life impacts

miles is rad tho

I work with Youth Athletics away from every large city on Earth, and my players liked Miles better, too. Probably because they could relate more to Miles having two parents.

Eee, 29 is a hard age. It's a mile marker which feels so heavy. You just have to beat your last score. ❤

I'm 18 here, watched this in 2018 opening day at 13-14. I get you, I love you and strive for happiness ❤❤❤

🙌

Exactly! Is it smart to look at what the greats have done before you? Of course. Draw inspiration and don’t reinvent the wheel. But making a craft or skill your own in the end is key.

that's why I like the movie miles so much better honestly. comic book miles always felt like a cheap copy in some ways. this became especially apparent, when they decided to put both peter and miles spiderman into the same universe, both alive and both being spider-man. made very little sense to me honestly. if they want them to share a world, then miles needs to rebrand. peter will always be prime spider-man. they need to give miles his own spider-title, if they want them to co-exist in the same universe.

Cinema Therapy actually teaches valuable lessons. ❤

It's actually with great power OUGHT to come great responsibility. That one word makes all the difference, which I do think the spiderman franchise embraces, because there is more of a choice in it. If it is "ought" than one can easily choose to deny either power or responsibility or even both. But the thing about all the Spideys is that they choose to take on both the power and responsibilty, which is why their story works as an inspiration, but specifically Miles too due to what you have stated about his circumstances.

Perfect perfect analysis, especially yhrbe great expectations part you hit that one right on the nail

I really like how the writers switched the moral around, and have it be “with great responsibility comes great power”. When Miles given the responsibility to choose, rather than being forced into a place people want him to be, it makes him feel strong.

@@mackielunkey2205 This is why I kinda liked how they "betrayed" Miles by tying him to the chair. They weren't looking down on Miles, they were giving him an out. He had done enough, there was no need to be put his life in danger. Being Spider-Man should be choice, not an obligation just because you have Spider powers.

@@wesleywallace4426 Miles was also very rattled by his uncle’s death, and he wasn’t in a good state of mind to make the decision. And in the first Raimi movie, we’ve seen the consequences when the Spider-People choose to act rashly during this time.

Lol not even just “dead guy” but rather “a homeless corpse”

When I re-watched that scene and caught that line, I had to pause the video I was laughing so hard. That one got me good. 🤣

I believe it even says in the script: “He’s not falling, he’s rising.” CHILLS!

Yes!! And don’t forget about the INCREDIBLE character of Hobie Brown!

And his parkours takes clear notes from Prowler's own parkour too.

It’s not that deep

@Pristine Whens! dude why you everyone's business? Have nothing else to do?

@@PristineWhens No it is that deep, actually. That was definitely a choice made by the filmmakers intentionally. That’s kind of how filmmaking works.

@@tariqthomas9090 it might be. Who knows.

lmao dude, how is it that you have nothing better to do than search through all of these comments trying to find things to complain about? i've seen you three times already, give it a break 😂

ME TOOOOOO

It’s great but it loses its focus towards the end. Like-everything is suddenly rushed and everyone is mashed together?

Agreed, and so soon after Christmas, too! Consider me hooked!

Same bro

Samee lol

I really appreciate mentors who are suffering and going through their own pain, but out of some sort of goodness, put that aside for the sake of someone else who could use help or guidance.

I volunteer with an organization that mentors teens interested in aviation, and when I tell you that having a parent tell me how big of a difference I've made for their kid is a bigger prize for me than any other award I've gotten from school or work or elsewhere. And yeah, I am not perfect. Not even close to kind of. But it turns out I don't need to be to help others figure stuff out, especially when working as part of a team where we all have different strengths.

Love that from you ❤

​@@Raguleaderthanks for your service 🫡

So in that universe, they still have the world trade center.... I think that's a strong telling.

Ben Day dots are clearly what the animation team are trying to reference, since most comic books of that era used flat blacks for their line art rather than halftones (although of course, it's a big industry, there are always exceptions, but screen printing was a far too lengthy and expensive process for most comics). They wound up using different sizes of dots to make the effect read more efficiently, so it's not TRUE Ben Day, but like... c'mon, we know that's what they are trying to evoke, and it's not screen printing. I mean, if you're using proper ink saturation while screen printing, you don't even see the dots in a final screen print piece, you only see the dots on the screen! ;) And don't get me started on manga halftones, they don't even all use circular dots!

@@betterlatethannever4536 Your username is incredibly fitting for any sort of “late” replies to comments Thank you for the informative reply! ^^

​@@betterlatethannever4536 BUT BUT! The early comics didn't always use the proper ink saturation or lines per inch due to how cheap they were running everything. Hence, Lichtenstein making his pop derivative works that didn't properly credit the source artists. (Hell, even more current ones. Dark Horse was running the interiors of their Usagi Yojimbo books at... 120 lines per inch if I'm remembering correctly, and the cover was maybe 150? Been over a decade since we switched to direct to plate, so I don't remember all the stuff from imaging the films. Other than maintaining the film imager sucked, cleaning everything when the density dipped was awful, and I'm glad I don't have to deal with gallons of developer chemicals anymore. I could probably check if I can find the line-screen measuring tool we used to have and if any of the film hasn't been recycled yet. Manga halftones that are not camera shot or created in a vector program are the Devil's dandruff and I hate them.)

I highly recommend Sideways’ analysis of that very thing. He is a RU-vid channel.

@@nightfall3605 I think he was the one that made me notice it!

@@nightfall3605 love sideways

yeah it also made What's Up Danger itself kind of hollow in some sense, because it doesn't have that strong throughline like in the movie

@@warrustI agree. I wish they officially released the cinematic version. The fan edits come pretty close

As millennial this is all of what I wanted as a teenager & I'm so glad this movie could be part of *your* childhood 😭😭😭

What die you decide to do??🥰

So did you decide to go into that field or did you find something else?

I followed what my parents did, but in the last month I completely changed directions lol. I’m an English major now

I second this ❤

I third this!! I love Jim’s story and the song “im still here” as someone who has an emotionally neglectful and distant father with traditional values I’ll never live up to

It's 12 and 24 but your point still stands

Mind blown!

@@joonamato yeah, I remember things in gamer not animation lmao

my heart 😭❤‍🩹

Gonna be a long wait for Beyond the Spiderverse for sure

omg I've never noticed that before !!! makes this movie even better there's so much attention to detail !! :D

I read somewhere that blond Peter did that move against a black/white background, which are the main colors of Miles suit. And later, Miles does the same move against a Red and Blue background, the colors of his fallen mentor.

@@ChasehaWing Just went back and watched the two clips... this checks out. Cool detail!

It is very close and it shows he did learn it from him. I would argue that it's not exact simply because he adds his own flare to it. 😁

​@@GrizzneyGames I really like that it's close but not the exact same. Even the final landing pose is different. But you can tell where Miles learned it from but Miles made it his own.

I have seen it too and loved the line immediately :D

Yea I noticed that as well

An "AAAAAAAH" Went to "WOOOOOOOO!"

It's such a beautiful speech. He shows that he cares but he is willing to respect his boundaries.. I've always wanted somebody to do that.. ❤

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I agree that it is the best scene ever put to film. The only thing that comes close is the "I need a hero" scene in Shrek 2

It never fails to pump me up. Run to that song 😂😂

You have no idea how much I relate to this. Thank you.

Exactly the same over here hi

Bro I am in this situation right now. I want to be Graphic Designer because it is closest to being an illustrator or photographer. I did a lot of research of pros and cons, the success rate, salary, etc. And found that even in my state, there are a lot of jobs out there. However, before I even could my parents put a lot of pressure on me and being immigrants they believed education=success and prestige. They expect doctor, lawyer, etc. And while I was interested in "real" job like forensic scientist. My passion for arts is too grand. I did choose a major in legal studies and immediately in first semester found it was not for me. I got the grades, it was interesting, yeah I could do it. But it wasn't for me. Eventually I hard a breakdown after months and maybe even years of depression and anxiety did they finally see the pressure. Part of me is glad they finally listened. But the other part of me is pissed that it had to take a mental breakdown for them to listen. I am thinking about switching to graphic arts and design at my community college next year. Achieve an associates. Though I am afraid because of the expectation and pressure. Even though logically I know there are a lot of jobs out there for this career. And it can be for a company 9-5 or a freelance route. I am afraid that if I fail it would be like "I told you so" from my parents. But if it is a mistake, I want to make the mistake

Dude I related so hard to this. It’s nice to know lots of others are in a similar situation. We got this

I'm 35 and I didn't really feel like I knew what I was doing til well into my 30s. I know it sucks right now, but you aren't junk for having a hard time. You're working through it, and that's what we all do. It sounds like you're about to find your way, good luck

I never watch the same movie more than once, at least not until years later when I've forgotten most of it. But for Spider-Verse, I saw it in theaters three times, with three different groups of people, within the first week of release. It is my favorite movie ever, only recently tied up with Everything Everywhere All At Once.