Movie Couples Therapy: PETER PARKER and MJ from SPIDER-MAN 

Aw, I never saw him this way. To be honest, I kinda liked him in this jazzy jerk/bully stage. He was mean to MJ, but he was much less of a doormat.

Fucking exactly, that’s what I’ve always been saying, this isn’t Peter being cool, it’s a bullied nerd’s interpretation of what’s cool.

I’ve never thought about it like that before. That’s a pretty good theory

I mean, the symbiote/Venom doesnt even know what bad is. So if Peter thought that this is what bad guys do, thats what Venom compelled him to do.

I mean, it is an accurate representation of what he would think cool and popular people would do. The symbiote draws out your most aggressive tendencies too.

Yesss

I would love to see them do them!

Sameeee

Yes!

Yes please!! Also a great development in the first movie

Brilliantly put 👏👏

yessss

Amen!

yess !!

I'm glad they didn't make Gwen a mean girl who rubbed being with Peter in MJ's face.

Gwen is also aware enough of how Peter is using her to get back at MJ and once she figures that out, she says nothing to him and goes straight to MJ to apologize.

Gwen being classy af. Hope she found a real one!

@@tiph3802 She deserves a real one after all the bullshit she and MJ _both_ went through, thanks to Peter. :3. Sweet, sweet MJ and Gwen, I will always love _both_ of them.

Agreed. Well done, Gwen.

Maybe they should have ended up together..

Yeah I was sitting in a train and completely lost it. Oh, the stares xD

I choked on my food

I screached like a t-rex :D

Is that the same actress? I never knew lol.

@@RedRoseSeptember22 the blonde wig kinda makes it hard to tell she’s actually a natural redhead

Definitely Astrid and Hiccup!

I think they did speak a bunch about F&J in the movie reaction

A Shrek and Fiona one would be fun.

Hell yeah I wanna see Shrek and Fiona. To me, they feel like the one of most natural relationships on screen--they have their flaws, fights, tension, and disagreements, but in the end they care each other, fight hell to protect each other, and they openly celebrate the things they have in common, including their love for one another. I'm especially keen to hear Jonathan's take on their relationship in the second movie when Shrek meets Fiona's family for the first time, and if he also has any takes for the dad King Harold as well.

Hermione and Ron vs Harry

@BonnieBrae I didn't know, either. Whatever he was taking, I'm so glad he's dealt with the emotions that tied him to those demons, and that he's used the process to conquer them. (5/4/2022)

I wanted to hug him!

Indeed, I didn't know either, and sharing that openly with accountability is very courageous.

@@tiph3802 same!

I've watched every episode and I can't remember hearing it

A part that I hate and makes me so sad for MJ was when Harry didn’t defend her with his dad I get that’s your father but the way he went at her for wanting him to defend her even a little bit I hated so much

@@shania991 He did say his father was wrong and got angry at him because he wanted his dad to meet his gf. The issue is that Harry was only doing it to impress his dad so he feels like disappointed his dad yet again, while MJ, who really didn't care at all about Harry, hated Norman because of how much she felt like Harry tried to wrap her up like a gift to his dad. In conclusion, the end of the relationship came naturally since neither really cared for each other, only after second intentions, so her getting mad at him for not defending her was more of an excuse to finally break up.

Something that Jono hints at but doesn't outright say is, well, Peter is literally the only man in the first movie who respects MJ and her dreams (with aunt May being the only woman who does as well). He builds her up and encourages her constantly, and never tries to force his feelings for her or his perception of her on her, so it's really no surprise that he's the first person she actually falls in love with by the end, and that she stays in love with him throughout the second film even after finding another man who respects and supports her

@@nestorsifuentesaguirre2722 Ursula? What do you mean? That scene with the cookies in 3?

Good point!

+bajillion on this, seeing it I wanted to say exactly this but you articulated it way better than I could have. Fair play to Alan and this channel for being so open and honest.

I don't know how ready he'd be to open himself about it, but I would like him to. We know Alan's gonna own his mistakes. And knowing what he did and STILL be this great guy could give a lot of hope to some of us.

This is very true. Thank you very much Alan for sharing.

Alan, thank you for your share.

i second this also couples therapy for magneto and professor x

@@nimbusykz2288 bruh

@@nimbusykz2288 I second that

Except I don't think Magneto is that comparable to Malcolm X. Magneto, despite surviving Nazi Germany, became something akin to a Nazi himself, believing Mutants to be superior and seeing homosapiens as animals. It's kinda sad how he became the thing that his childhood self would have hated.

@@redshurikenrlsh1951 He's more comparable to Malcom than he ever is to a Nazi... I don't know if you read the comics, but the movies barely do him justice; Sir Ian McKellen's portrayl saved the character honestly.. Magneto is in simple terms, a "mutant messaih", there's many organizations and individuals who target mutants and most of the time he's first to respond if he's not on the attack and even then it's preemptive. Even when he started Genosha or went to asteroid M he was treated more like a savior than a villain.. Hell dude when Scarlett Witch wiped out 98% of the mutant's powers in the Multiverse he went after hi own son because he helped cause it evoking Magneto's name.. A very famous panel is him screaming at Quicksilver "WHAT HAVE YOU DONE IN MY NAME BOY!?". He takes out ANYONE thats a threat to Mutants, family included. He's protecting his people from a very real threat and humans have done nothing but prove him right. Sounds suspiciously like Malcom X's main talking points when he went out on protests and spoke publicly lol.. There's a storyline written in the late 80s early 90s called "God Loves Man Kills"... the first few opening panels is of a group called The Purifiers who walk into a park and mass shoot children because their mutants, their leader William Stryker is a Evangelist priest with political power. That was the comic that really placed me on Magneto's side and I haven't felt differently since. It's long winded I know lol but with pop culture characters its easier to paint a picture of them using all the source material. And from the sound of it you're a movie fan not really a reader so hopefully you learned something interesting at least. Most people don't know Stryker was changed for the movies let alone just the sheer scope of mythology that comes with the X-Men 🤙

I hope you are in a better place now

@@kingofpenguins4157 I am I moved far away from my parents house a year ago.

Thank you for trusting us enough to share this!

I can relate to that feeling. I've never had an intentionally abusive family, the closest I can say is that my mother has OCD and it's difficult to live with someone like that. Though I have developed similar feelings, not seeing why anyone would find me attractive, not wanting to get close to people and feeling that having no romantic relationship is better than having a bad one, but I think that one comes from my parents not having a good relationship. Not abusive but there's no love and I really don't understand why they're still together.

@@RJALEXANDER777 What you describe could fit me as well. I spent decades (I'm 55) just assuming I wasn't worth anybody's time and I ran from many good men. I'm looking at this past with my therapist now and I'm starting to understand how these hurtful thoughts and behaviors arose as a defense. But, it's hard: I sometimes doubt I should get to feel better. Cheers to you.

Such a wholesome movie, more people need to watch it.

Oh yes, please!!

YES THIS!!!

@@hallaloth3112 Yes, it's my absolute favourite! ❤ It's hard to say it's underrated because it IS very popular. But seriously everyone should see it, and the other ghibli movies!!

OMG Yes!

I never saw Tony as a narcissist.

@@mdtisthebest6249 He kinda is a textbook narcissist, not a narcissistic person in the way it’s commonly used. Iron man 2 showcases how Tony’s ego and self image blinded him from responsibility and rationality with the powers and technology he had developed

​@@mdtisthebest6249 people throw the word narcissist around willy billy nowadays, when all they really mean is selfish. It's annoying, but narcissist doesn't have meaning anymore.

This. We struggled with that. I want to back off and cool off, whereas he saw that as a failure to communicate and wanted to fight until it got worked out (meaning: someone "won"). Worse than going to bed angry is pursuing and berating someone for not wanting an emotionally charged battle.

AMEN!

Same rule in my house! It’s so dumb to try to work something out when you’re emotionally exhausted AND just plain tired and your brain is half asleep

My husband and I have a rule where we pause the conversation if one or both of us start to get emotional. Like. One of the Big Talks we had took about a week because we kept pausing, cooling off, and coming back. But it lets us come at it from a calm place and work together against the issue rather than against each other with the issue as a weapon. And that's really important.

I think its more of a principle than an actual rule. The idea of settling issues with your significant other quickly instead of letting them fester is good advice. But obviously some issues are so complex that each individual needs to understand where they really stand emotionally and logically on an issue.

Never planned on marriage, but if I was to get married, I vowed to prove to myself that I didn't need to. And I did that, and married an abuser

@@recoveringsoul755 marrying an abuser is not your fault

@@prefersdocile9688 I can see the red flags in hindsight, but it's too late now. Damage is done

@@recoveringsoul755 You can heal though. The fact that damage was done to you will never go away, but you can recover from the damage, and make better choices next time. If you want there to be a next time. Totally up to you.

@@recoveringsoul755 you chose sticking out instead of leaving which is what a lot of women do, because we learn that our health and well-being should not and does not play a role when a man is involved. It' a very automatic thing that we learn from early childhood. Your choice wasn't the problem and you shouldn't blame yourself for something you knew was the 'wise thing' to do at that moment. The antidote to this socialization is radical self-love and surviving life experiences like these. The cure to this kind of pain is self-acceptance. I want to stress that you are not wrong or stupid, however much you might feel that. This may sound corny but that's exactly what society wants aspiring independent women to feel like. Your abuser wanted to knock you from your feet, but you are still there and as long you will be a recovered person, he will be a big loser. (spoiler alert: he already was this entire time).

I second that motion !

I agree. I would also like to see them do Noah and Allie from the Notebook.

Alan really seems to be an actor's director and film-crew manager, which is neat. It seems we mostly hear from the film-technique or image-poetry virtuosos, when it's directors talking about their process. Also yes to doing Jane Austen therapy.

Yes please!

YES YES YES Elizabeth Bennet and Mr. Darcy please?

I think that a Will and Elizabeth episode would be GREAT

Ooh, great suggestions. I think Tony and Pepper would be a good choice too, considering how much focus they've given to the marvel movies.

My favorite couple Gomez and Morticia

Came here to say Anakin and Padmé too

Will and Elizabeth had zero chemistry, that was the rough part.

Something that Jono hints at but doesn't outright say is, well, Peter is literally the only man in the first movie who respects MJ and her dreams (with aunt May being the only woman who does as well). He builds her up and encourages her constantly, and never tries to force his feelings for her or his perception of her on her, so it's really no surprise that he's the first person she actually falls in love with by the end, and that she stays in love with him throughout the second film even after finding another man who respects and supports her

That what sucks about her. She needs to be a Spider-Woman or a She Venom to Spider-Man.

That's not how MJ from comics acts.

@@willhicks7027 Um, yes it is, and it's not "acting". Her job as a model/actress has nothing to do with Peter/Spidey. The social circles she runs in exist whether or not Pete is around. Yes they have some communal friends, but that's just being a couple. She was a blind date his Aunt May set him up with (despite several failures). Going back to the Lois example, her professional career is built on Superman articles, and she's co-worker to Clark, also a reporter.

@@brycedurham280 🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩

@@dragonstryk7280 The Mj in the comics also managed to get out of trouble and help Peter, she’s also has a similar past to Peter in the form of parallel lives.

Thank you this version of them always made me feel weird. Like I never could see them going the distance if that makes sense

SO TRUE!! I watched it about 4 months ago as well and was like… I don’t know about them. Their highlight was her running from her wedding at the end of the 2nd movie to be with him. Not really a good indication of where she was, commitment wise.

I rewatched them recently too and yeah it's amazing just how unlikeable every main character is.

@@chrisblanc663 Well but thats how people are. no one is perfect. no couple is perfect. and thats normal and good.

I believe that was the main criticism these movies got initially.

That's what I love most about Tobey Macguire as Spidey: he's kind of plain-looking, not stunningly gorgeous or conventionally attractive; he's your everyday man and the average joe, hammering home the message that "Anyone can wear the mask." I love the natural awkwardness he delivers as he struggles to be vulnerable and open with others, and how much you can see his internal conflict in just his voice and eyes. Of course that's not downplaying Tom Holland and Andrew Garfield's performances, they are fantastic in their own ways, I just hope and want to make sure people don't overlook Tobey as more than a legendary meme!

I have said he was a good peter, but weak as Spiderman. never saw the amzing movies because I rather they had continued Rami's it was jsut way to early for a reboot. it sounded like Andrew's Spiderman was good but Peter weak. Holland found the balance

@@Revkor this is exactly what I have said with every Peter-Man! Age-wise they also got progressively more suitable.

@@Revkor Andrew's was far more in line with the comics, especially Ultimate, while Tom is in the right spot.

@@willfanofmanyii3751 just goign by what i heard that his peter was his weakside.

Absolutely! I was so eager to see Vemon on screen.

Also, because emos play a different music genre: alternative rock. Besides, sprouting fangs and death-growling is a better way to show Peter turning into Venom than dancing on a piano and slapping MJ.

When Toby was trying to kill Sandman he embodied what the Venom suit would do to your personality, Venom wouldn't go emo and start dancing at a jazz club to make an ex jealous.

@@benbeal6729 Venom wouldn’t, but Tobey’s Peter absolutely would.

Yes I agree my childhood friend who we both tried to date was an addict and she the runner type, she'd hurt me then jump , she'd come back in my life clean and she would be apologetic As they said her addiction went from drugs to going from guy to guy and her jealousy was also toxic she would intentionally try to upset me to where I did some hateful things like verbally assaulting her character and throwing her adduction in her face (I apologized multiple times to her as she has to me) To the point where she says her words "I'm a piece of shit, I hurt you and lost you I'll never forgive myself" If we were physically together she was "safe" if not"I can't live without you here " I had to walk away , that's a dark side of many drug addicts they go from quitting the drugs , to getting another addiction (hers was sex and serial dating)

It’s pretty typical these days to talk of addiction.

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I always found it that he hit her out of "get off me idk who is touching me". He swats two dudes then MJ. I am not defending the other stuff, but when I am angry, I see nothing and have told my family to allow me to settle. The movie to me shows it was a mistake but focuses on it as if he went out of his way to do so and I don't see it. Hitting anyone is bad btw. Also, I could be wrong here, just seemed like it to me is all.

Episode about Tony and Pepper sounds really interesting.

@@garciavashchino1 Yeah, he hit someone who turned out to be her, rather than hitting her specifically. Of course, the "he would never deliberately hurt me" line was already crossed by his dancing with Gwen, so, while the physical violence was (mostly) accidental, MJ has every reason to choose to not re-enter a relationship with him. Or she can choose to.

Yes! @Cinema Therapy do ALL THe couples! Especially Elizabeth and Darcy!

Ooh, this would be a great one for couple's therapy, would love to see this

_Enormous explosions resulting in the deaths of at least two goons_ Bob & Helen simultaneously: *Oh, I love you.* ...Yeah, I'd say there's a lot to unpack there.

Yes! That'd be great to analyze

Yes! I want to see that!

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Me neither, it had so many problems, yet at least they were apparently able to patch things up if "No Way Home" is any indication.

@@trinaq even as a kid, I always thought “wow they’re a terrible match” and I had a crush on Lucius Malfoy at the time so the bar was low 🤣

Yeah even as a kid I was like ”wow this relationship has some big problems”

@@TheShanicpower the whole “dorky guy who saves girl next door from her demons” is… okay? But only if the characters have SOME chemistry

How was it toxic?

Elizabeth and Darcy!!!!!

YES!!!

They just did Elizabeth and Darcy ☺️

Grease couples would be *so* good.

Shiv Roy and Tom Wambsgan in succession

Woah, he admitted to being an *addict*. Not abusive. Phrasing.

i want sherlock/watson couples counseling but from the SHERLOCK bbc TV series

@@ariannasantina I second Benedict Cumberbatch Sherlock 🥴

@@ariannasantina lol this XD

@@ariannasantina yeeeessssssssssssss! Johnlock pls and ☺️

@AsparagusAnonymous Oh, definitely. I can only imagine the laughs they'd have over Jude Law and Robert Downey Jr. (5/4/2022)

And now we know why Tobey Peter was right. MJ is alive lol.

Psychiatrist: I've worked with a lot of Russian Sleeper Cell families in the past... The one thing they all have in common-

thissss

Yep, back in school I literally got told "I like you and want to go on a date with you" and my response was to get annoyed because I thought I was being pranked

oh yeah, was really confused when they said that in the twilight videos as well, as though puberty doesn‘t mess up literally everyone. and MJ lives in an abusive home at that time, so her self-worth and self-image will be probably even more distorted.

@@inkythoughts Bella was 18 and she knew better, yet kept going back, that is completely on her, let’s not forget Bella isn’t an example of fine female characters fleshed out and challenged

No, not so much "inherently wired", but rather taught and reinforced from extremely young ages to seek out external approval and validation, particularly from boys/men.

@@ninjanibba4259 in the beginning, Bella is 17 and the type of self-esteem issues that is installed in pretty much most teenage girls from very early on takes quite a while to unlearn. I'm still surprised when someone goes out of their way to flirt with me and I'm 25, even if I don't have the knee-jerk reaction of "oh they are just messing with me, they actually hate me and want to give me false hopes" anymore. You don't magically become "grown up" mentally when you turn 18 and can absolutely accurately predict how other people see you. Hell, there's an entire beauty industry that still makes grown women believe that something is considerably wrong with their face or their body or their hair so they buy the products.

Even though I don't know you, reading that you were able to decide to leave gave me a sense of relief. Thanks. Mom, for raising me with empathy!

Damn, I hadn't consciously noticed that but you're right! All statements: I have decided this. No room for communication or the others' feelings/rights to choose, etc...

To be fair; - They're meant to be Teenagers in these movies. Peter and MJ are in High-School when the first movie occurs. - Peter has literal murderers after him, and MJ has no way of protecting herself if someone targets her. Sure they're pretty worrying things for someone to say, but I feel like Peter is a little more justified in trying to push her away specifically, especially when he sees that any time anyone ever gets close to him; they tend to get extremely hurt or die.

@@_Pikahiiri_ Exactly! Context matters, and people need to remember that.

@@_Pikahiiri_ toxic relationships with teenagers are still toxic relationships and parents need to look out, after all they are modelling their adult life as well as just experimenting. teenagers need to know their own worth especially

@@not-a-ghost2206 the difference here is that teenagers can't be expected to know better.

I've always said theirs is the most realistic marriage... ironically.

Yes shrek is my favorite animated movie series

Yes yes yes! Shrek and Fiona are such an interesting and real couple to see throughout the movies!

The DOUGH EYES!!! 😂

If you watch with captions on... 🤌✨

@@rosefong65 Now I need to rewatch 🤣🤣

to be honest,i sont want it to be fixed though.if its "fixed" in anyway it should be peter who is trying to reconnect with the people in his life

If this is fixed in any sense it shouldn't be in MoM but in a spiderman focused movie

Get to flipping, buddy

That would be fantastic! I’d also love the couples from sense and sensibility

Yass!! I second this!

And Anne Elliot and Captain Wentworth from Persuasion, why they struggle so much to restart their relationship after years of separation.

Oh! Me too! Me too! I’d really love a flipped episode with just Megan and Alicia.

@@aleahhenderson-carter61 Ooo that's a great idea!

Agreed

Yeees, it would be so fun to see it analyzed. Love that movie.

When Harry Met Sally is amazing. It really is enemies to lovers done very right

How was it messed up? A bit cliche, sure.

I want to create a few burner RU-vid accounts so that I can upvote this one a few times. It is 'inconceivable' that Jonathan and Alan don't give this one an 'as you wish'.

I loved that film but I have to say I didn't really take it or the relationship seriously, if I do I can definitely see where you're coming from, but I just see it as a fun film with a cheesy romance lol

Westley settled.

@@paulmatson661 not wrong there.

It could be both. Because it is entirely possible to have genuinely good reasons or motivations for doing something..and yet still end up doing the wrong thing. It's that whole 'ends don't justify the means' dilemma-HOW you tackle the journey to get somewhere is every bit as important as where you're intending to go in the first place. If you only have one ore, and you don't paddle on both sides with it, you won't go forward no matter how much you want to....but that doesn't mean that you didn't genuinely _want_ to go forward, maybe you just didn't know anything about how rowing a canoe actually works or maybe you were just too overly-emotional to be thinking clearly or logically and really rationalize it out properly from a less narrow or limited perspective. You can do the wrong thing for the right reason(s), or with your heart/intent in the right place... Because humans are merely human, and therefore humans aren't perfect. 🙂 I think this is also likely why many languages actually have different words for selfless love versus "selfish" love. "Selfish" love focuses too much on what _you_ do or don't want from or for the other person, but selfless-Love remembers to take into account the fact that the other person is also an autonomous individual being who is every bit as capable-of and justified in having their own independent Wants and Do-Not-Wants for their own self which should matter to you too _IF_ you genuinely care about *them* & don't just care about you. The closest thing to this concept in the English language, I think, is Lust[ or Desire or Passion] versus Love...except that this also separates it into physical versus psychological, and even purely psychologically-speaking you can still be selfish. The funny thing is, in the Twilight books, Bella actually almost does say that to Edward in a way.. after Edward comes back ..by refusing to give her friendship with Jacob up just because he's a werewolf and the Cullens mistrust him since he could be dangerous. She also does this, in a way, every time she sneaks off to put herself in harms way even when Edward tells her to stay out of things, or every time she insists that it's her right to decide if she wants Edward in her life or not, and every time she insists on being able to drive herself in her own car instead of always being chauffeured around by Edward or his family; among other things. She literally fights for the right to make her own decisions and/or to take her own risks. But, when she's fighting to keep her friendship with Jacob and the rest of the pack, that's when she actually refuses to just roll over and take it without saying anything to Edward's[ or the rest of the Cullen's] face[s]; because she straight up says that she's the one who actually knows Jacob/the-pack, so she's the one who can actually make the better/more-informed judgment or whatever about how dangerous they are or aren't. And it is such a shame that this wasn't focused on more in the movies too. (And I don't even like Bella, personally. Because, in the books, when Edward acknowledges essentially that he's been disrespecting her and kind of needs to work on improving that/himself...instead of acknowledging that too but forgiving him anyway or something, she insists that he just hasn't actually been disrespecting her at all just because he might have meant well and also refuses to ever even acknowledge the possibility that there might/could/ have been times when he actually wasn't totally perfect and might legit not even entirely have meant well either; among so many so many many other things.) But, basically, yeah - I completely agree with you!

@@jaginaiaelectrizs6341 So. . . With Jacob and Bella, it's Selfless Love. But with Edward and Bella. . . it's unhealthy, toxic, Selfish Love?

@@scotttrail522 Not necessarily? Bella and Jacob's relationship also had a lot of problems too. Despite the fact that I liked the way she stood up for herself and for Jacob & the rest of the pack[ & for her own right to make her own judgments/decisions a little bit] at least in the books more than she stood up for pretty much anything else. That didn't really have anything to do with the love that any of them did or didn't feel for each other so much as it just had to do with her own personal agency. And it doesn't mean that the way they treated each other was necessarily always any healthier or less selfish than how Bella and Edward treated each other; although there were certainly some moments when it was, there were also plenty of moments when it could be just as bad.

That is quite the astute analysis, as someone who struggles with, but has been making a lot of progress, lately, in letting my guard down and being vulnerable with my closest loved ones

@@jaginaiaelectrizs6341 There's also a BIG difference in Edward and Jacob, with the two loving Bella: Jacob ACTUALLY DOES trust Bella to (try) to make her own decisions Edward feels that because Bella's a human, she can't take care of herself in front of vampires. (Oh, who am I kidding? ALL VAMPIRES ARE DANGEROUS!) Hence, why he's ALWAYS shoving her to the side. As a result, he doesn't fully trust her to accompany him.

I think the editor is Alan's wife. Which makes it even better.

I laughed SO MUCH at the "False information - reviewed by independent fact checkers" screen, you wouldn't believe 😅

YESSS!!

@@narnigrin That was the best! 🤣

Do you by chance have the timestamp? I watch these videos like podcasts and I rarely look at the screen

Hear hear! I never wanted to call it Dunst's take because I feel like she was written without MJ's energy but seriously their vibe... wasn't for me.

They made her alot stronger and more independent in the ps4 game, and though I didn't care for the mj gameplay sequences, I thought that was pretty cool

If they really do end up making a Spider-man 4 with Tobey and Kirsten returning for their roles, I would hope to see them done more justice. I mean, Spider-man 3 was over a decade ago, so they could have had a lot of off-screen development (as No Way Home indicated). That could go for both their relationship and MJ's personality. I think Tobey-Peter's "Complicated" line might've been him trying to not potentially spoil Andrew-Peter's future for him. Maybe he and MJ are currently raising a daughter or 2? And we could have a movie where their relationship is much better written as they navigate raising a spider-child (or 2).

I feel these guys neglected to talk about how MJ is the most toxic in the relationship. She leaves Her fiancée at the altar, she is jealous of Spider-Man, and truth be told she is too materialistic.

@AnnieNunyabiz I second this! It's a rich story to analyze. Also, I'd love to see Jon and Alan dance to "Stand Out" and "I2I". (5/4/2022)

That would be great!

Omg that’s such a great idea!! I would LOVE to see this.

Yes! I just watched these movies lol.

I'm right there with you. I personally believe TASM1 is the best live action Spider-Man movie but is just dragged down by TASM2.

@@gryfon_gamez8184 honestly, despite all the flaws. I genuinely love TASM 2 a lot. With all the contrived, messy story plots and awful universe building by Sony, the good stuff about TASM 2 is fantastic! The action, cinematography, Andrew giving raw emotionality to the character, Peter and Gwen's relationship in general, and let's not forget that ballsy move of killing off Gwen. All that amazing stuff is what helps me overlook the bad stuff of TASM 2.

@@rowiequierez5920 Yeah there was a good movie there in the hours of unused footage but what Sony made Mark Webb publish is just a mess. We need a TASM2: Webb Cut just like how we got the snyder cut

@@gryfon_gamez8184 And one of my favourite scenes in TASM 2 that doesn't get recognized at all with Garfield's version is the first meeting with Electro. Not the fight itself, which is still a fricken' sweet fight. It's when he talks to him before that. Peter tries to deescalate the situation by getting to his level. And if you notice his many fights throughout the two movies. He's not the instigator in those fights. He tries to talk to his enemies through empathy and understanding (at least the Electro one is what I see) but when he has no choice but to fight, he'll do it to protect himself and the people around him. I love TASM Peter's willingness to connect with the people of New York, with random strangers (as he did with Jorge, the kid that was bullied on the street) and especially with his enemies. It emphasizes the "Friendly Neighborhood" aspects of this character. When Electro was in distress, in my headcanon from that scene, Peter recognizes Max's loneliness. How did it feel to be an outcast as Peter was himself? How both were shunned by society and fell through unfortunate circumstances. The only difference is that Peter had a healthy circle of support, whereas Max didn't (through context clues of just one movie) so Peter would try to help Max in that way.

@@rowiequierez5920 we didn't get enough of that sadly, instead of helping him in the end he killed him

I'm sure we all saw it

@@glitterstarbeau I saw that movie on an Black-White-TV and still it was good, eventhough it was almost impossible to see the change to colour.

That’s exactly what I always think aswell when rewatching the trilogy and MJ and Peters relationship. People hate in the relationships because of how it doesn’t progress exponentially. But that is not how real relationships are. You have struggles, miscommunications. All of those hardships and more are part of being in a romantic consensual relationship. It’s not just: wow we’re together now and everything is gonna be perfect. I love the more realistic approach to their relationship and how Sam Raimi and the writers depicted it.

Also the fact that their so young. It's so much more realistic (to my experiences anyway) than those stories where they met as teens and fell in love and everything went perfectly. Or they had one rough patch, but learnt from it and never made any mistakes again, happily ever after, etc.

@@helenl3193 Yeah exactly. Learning isn’t always a once off thing. Making mistakes several times can maybe even be later on the thing that people recognize as something they need to work on. And they might even fall back to previous habits and behaviors. Especially in adolescent relationships.

@@kilso9357 The show "Crazy Ex-Girlfriend" had a song for this: the troubled couple decides to marry! The fantasy song was "We'll Never Have Problems Again!"

Okay that’s actually brilliant and someone should get on AO3 for that

That's great! 😃

I’d like to see his take on if this relationship is grooming. I have friends who fall on both sides of the argument.

Yesssss!

The book is 1000000x better and more fleshed out than that horror of an abridged, mangled movie, but the series looks good. Has to be better than that film, but a close sort of couple would be the Outlander couple. But they don't do series yet!

What else is there?

@@mellyq92 "How to Offend Women in Five Syllables or Less" XD

*Odette *Derek

Yes!!! I love that trilogy. And the CGI Christmas movie too. "What else is there! She asks you 'is beauty all that matters', and you say 'What else is there'! You should write a book: How to Offend Women in Five Syllables or Less."

Oh my gosh yes to both of those!!!

I'm honestly kind of shocked they haven't touched Eternal Sunshine yet.

Tom “She took a giant shit right on my face. Literally.” Random girl in restaurant “Literally?” Tom “What? God no, what the hell’s wrong with you.”

@@Wrencher_86 there's no hero or villain and until they started the couple's therapy it just didn't fit into the other video threads. I'm sure they wanted to do it before, and now they can tackle it with this video series. In the case of both films I'm excited to hear their takes on when a relationship just doesn't work; either because it's a learning experience to be used for a future relationship or because no matter how much you love someone they just aren't healthy for you to be with them.

I second the Nick and Nora idea!

I third the Nick and Nora suggestion! The Thin Man movies are hysterical and the banter between these two is perfect writing!

Yes yes yes!

If I could give this a thousand likes... Nick and Nora are THE BEST!

Yeah- he corrected himself and the editor made them look like "dough," but "doe eyes"- "eyes like that of a young deer" is a perfectly normal phrase. Not "doughy" but "doe-y."

That's what I was thinking but didn't know where it came from.

We’re all after the MJ’s but would be lucky to have an Ursula in our lives.

Broo, always liked the two of them more than him and MJ

That is a ship I would respect.

She tried being their for Peter when he found out about Uncle Ben’s killer but he pushed her away.

Both Ursula and Gwen were better people than MJ.

Easy A - yes! And it's an aside, but I absolutely cherish her family dynamic in that film.

@@Gr8tBlueHeron yes! I know that's not what the film was about, but I would have loved to see more of her family... or at least the outtakes!

gilmore girls is not a movie repeat after me

@@sonea9444 what an astute observation! Here ya go... 🍪

@@daniellezepess thanks right? one could think that this is painfully obvious and yet here we are, writing comments hoping that a TV series will be a topic on a channel that discusses only movies and made that clear countless times 😄😉

It's satire...

@@23rsnyder omg yes Ofc!! - it’s obviously fiction and entertainment and one of the best movies ever - I just thought it might be interesting to bring it into a real world context - :) I do know its not serious at all lol

That entire movie is a satire

Yes! Westley and Buttercup would be ideal!

@@amystiller8389 Yeah, their relationship would be a big NO in real life. :)

MJ's lucky film John doesn't become a werewolf like in the comics.

Yeah this is why I prefer the other two Spidey romances. Like all three relationships have issues that I can’t vibe with, but Gwen and Michelle are significantly better people than MJ. And I actually like Kirsten Dunst’s character.

@@tariqthomas9090 Gwen is the perfect Spider-Man love interest, those films are the only ones where I always look forward to seeing them together and genuinely root for their relationship. It was one of the few times I teared up in a movie theater when she died.

That’s a really good point.

I feel these guys neglected to talk about how MJ is the most toxic in the relationship. She leaves Her fiancée at the altar, she is jealous of Spider-Man, and truth be told she is too materialistic.

@Erik Kemeey Exploring Peter and Gwen’s relationship in The Amazing Spider-Man and Peter and MJ’s relationship in the MCU Spider-Man movies.

There’s nothing to analyze in Tom’s relationship lol

@Erik Kemeey Such as?? From my experience they didn’t seem to have any layers. It was just “suddenly he’s in love with her” “now they are the perfect couple” “then Peter disrespects her will and final wish completely out of her control to give her a protection she doesn’t want”

@Erik Kemeey “They care for each other and MJ comforts Peter” That is the most simple and one dimensional thing you could’ve said. You basically proved my point that they have no layers, they are just a textbook happy couple with no problems or real personality. Like I said, there’s nothing complex to analyze

@Erik Kemeey What’s that supposed to mean? When did I say they weren’t a couple? I said they are a one dimensional couple with nothing complex to analyze

Harry and Sally from When Harry Met Sally

All of these

I've got another idea. Couples therapy for Davy Jones and Calypso.

That scene is so fucked up, it really sours the ending for me.

Yeah, I remember as a kid, I considered John to be the douchebag who got in the middle of this when MJ should be with Peter. But John is a genuinely great guy, a successful astronaut who could have anyone and chose to be married young to MJ, meaning he had genuine love towards her. And she probably created some extremely long lasting issues with him, all to mess with Peter’s head. MJ is not a good person, she cheats on someone in every movie and she stood that poor guy up on their wedding day.

I'm one of those people who will die on the hill for Spider-Man 2, but that aspect of the ending is definitely a weak point that's hard to defend. It's just following the Rom-Com tropes with no thought given to the context and it does hurt the movie. This ending does make more sense when you realize from the commentary that they were originally going to have Jameson be a jerk to her, so you wouldn't have had sympathy for him at the end, but Dunst didn't want it to be so black and white because she didn't want to seem like she was always gravitating towards people who abuse her. I do think Dunst's suggestion was a good one, but it really did require the original ending to change to account for that.

I like to think (and it's over a decade since I last watched the movie, so there could well be something that contradicts it) that JJ sent her away rather than her leaving unilaterally.

@@rmsgrey That absolutely would have been better. Like, him realizing she wasn't happy with him and choosing to let her go because he cares about her would have made the ending so much better. Hell, you could even have him say back to her what the therapist said to Peter, "You've always got a choice." But no, you can see from his expression when he reads the letter that she didn't tell him she was going to do that.

Not to make a joke about addiction, but now I’m picturing Alan with chocolate dripping from his mouth and laughing manically. 😂

You can have a history with addiction while being a wholesome person now. I'm sure your comment was a joke but it can also hurt people with a history of addiction.

@@yourlittleinsomniac5369 everything has potential to hurt someone. I still see him as a wholesome dude and it sucks he had to go through something like addiction. Still I hope that he reads my original comment and can laugh at the idea.

well like... eating disorders are a deadly thing. i had anorexia but then when my Dad died suddenly, I lost control. i used to buy lots of chocolate and cookies and watch tv chewing them up and spitting them out for hours. Sugar is a drug too, and the shame, isolation, self-hate, etc. were the same like in any addiction. idk i agree with you that anything can trigger anyone, but I do find your comment a bit insensitive both to people with drug addiction (for adding to the stigma against people who have drug problems, that they have character problems) and eating disorders (for minimizing the seriousness)

@@colorfullyme I never once said that people with addictions have character problems. I had addiction issues in the past too. People suffer in different ways. I'm sorry about your continuous bout with anorexia and glad you are in a better place. If you're not I hope you are able to have the help and support you need. I was not trying to add to the stigma that people with addiction face

He's the only American Spiderman really. I love his eyes.

Because its the first and the NEWER VERSION IS ALWAYS BETTER🙄

Thank you for saying Scott is a jerk, I see that unfortunately rarely. It's a shame so many people didn't get (from the movie) that Scott is a jerk and downright asshole at times. So many people (teenage me included) just saw "nerd power!" without realising Scott is not someone you should aspire to be. Actually I feel this is a result of an overarching problem, where a lot of media over time has been showing geeks/nerds as bullied so often that many people (perhaps not consciously) automatically assume being one equals with being a victim and thus deserving some kind of reparation from society or individuals. I know I've been guilty of it. It's become a sort of toxic subculture trait of its own, and I don't see it addressed nearly enough. Jocks can be bullied and nerds can be bullies, because neither is defined by being a victim or aggressor. I'd say Scott could definitely use some couples therapy.

At the same time, ramona wasn’t exactly a saint either. (Several exes she cheaten on or used and tried to downplay for her own role.)

@@BW-CZ That's funny because from what I've seen the unanimous opinion is that Scott is an unintentional asshole.

"Romano" lmao

It’s like he’s one of those guys that says “oh he doesn’t deserve you. you should be with me I’ll treat you better than he does” and doesn’t realize that he’s being both a creep and a jerk

I hope you guys have been able to find him the help he needs so you two can share life together without him needing to cope with substances. If he wants to get better then it makes sense why he wants to stay with you, it's a life commitment. But if someone doesn't want to get better, makes no moves to heal, continues doing the same things the same way, which are in turn abusing you? Then I think God would understand if you decided to protect yourself and He would give you the signs you need.

@@vzade He actually has been able to get help! Found a new therapist, stopped living in denial, and told me everything. It is amazing to me that so much has changed in just 4 months!

@@theladyamalthea 😍 my heart is so happy for you. That is beautiful!! I hope you both continue to fall in love again and again🤗

@@vzade Thank you! I hope so, too. 😊

but I think Alan said one time that the last jedi was a great movie 😭😭 so maybe he can explain why lmao

To be fair, in the second film, Doc Ock was trying to get to Spider-Man through Peter Parker through MJ, and the problem there was that Peter wasn't keeping his "I'm Spider-Man's photographer" connection secret. If Doc Ock hadn't made that connection (which MJ also knew about), he wouldn't have gone after her. It was only really in the first movie where a villain (Green Goblin) realized that Spider-Man himself was in love with MJ, and, again, it required first finding out that Parker was Spider-Man.

Well and at the end of the 3rd film too... And her getting captured by Venom and Sandman resulted in Harry getting killed. So much for "Can't you respect me enough to make my own decisions?" Great job MJ 😔

@@blindslowhappy6842 yeah, but knowing he was Spider-Man didn't exactly prevent that.

@@Nimelennar Sorry but I don't understand that sentence.

@@blindslowhappy6842 The first poster said that not telling MJ that he's Spider-Man is making her less safe. In the third movie, she knows, but it doesn't seem to make her any safer.

Ooh I almost forgot about this. Thanks for the reminder.

Yes! That would be amazing!

Yessssasa

but considering Disney's current heads i now fear this

Yes

DARKLING AND ALINA FOR REALLLLLLLL ben barnes making me risk it all fr fr

YES OMG WE NEED THE LGBT+ Representation!!!

They already talked about Anakin & Padme and Tony Stark & Pepper on this channel. You should check out those videos, they are really good. For Han & Leia and all of Indis "relationships" there is great content on Popculture Detectives channel on the matter. ^^

oooo yeah a Euphoria vid would probs be great for their views even though I've never seen it

I think Kermit and Piggy was the first relationship I hated. Even as a kid I could recognize Piggy was a narcissistic abusive bitch (not necessarily in those terms). The second relationship (non-romantic) I hated as a kid was Elvira and her pets from Animaniacs. Her stupidity and animal abuse was played for laughs and it infuriated me (and I'm not even a animal lover).

Ew, the worst relationship! Miss Piggy is abusive af! Great suggestion!

The exact opposite of the Barton marriage, if you think about it.

@@rhokesh4391 to add, the wife is proud of Hawkeye. Something that MJ is indifferent about.

I feel these guys neglected to talk about how MJ is the most toxic in the relationship. She leaves Her fiancée at the altar, she is jealous of Spider-Man, and truth be told she is too materialistic.

@@AndreNitroX I wouldn't go as far as saying she's the most toxic. For all the problems I have with her self-centered behavior and lack of willingness to compromise, she at least never hit Peter. I think Peter makes the worst relationship mistakes of the two, especially when under the influence of the symbiote, but I think MJ's behavior is more consistently problematic throughout the movie series. I'm just trying to point out that they're both part of the problem.

@@tehdipstick agreed